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AlanC9

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Cstaf wrote...

Belhawk wrote...

Cstaf wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Cstaf wrote...

Hmm, after watching the ending again they cut the scene so you could not see whether the destruction of the mass relays causes supernovas or not. Im just going to asume it does until proven otherwise.


Would a tweet from one of the writers count as proof? Patrick Weekes sounded quite surprised that anyone thought supernovas were going off just because they broke the relays.


That would certainly be proof enough. Not sure why he would be suprised by someone making that conclussion though.


Why wouldn't we assume that the destruction of the relays cause the destruction of the solar systems?  After all, in the DLC Arrival, the destruction of the relay wipped out a solar system.  BW must have very short term memories.


Well the thing is what i got from Arrival was that a destruction of a mass-relay= supernova, not destruction of a mass-relay through asteroid= supernova. Now, i might have missed that line in the Arrival DLC, but if it is not there i think the logical conclussion is that the destruction, not the asteroid, caused the supernova.


Well, in the Arrival DLC they couldn't very well talk about what a relay did when you used the Crucible on it, since nobody had even heard of the Crucible yet. Hitting a relay with an asteroid was the only kind of relay destruction they knew anything about.

In retrospect, they probably shoudln't have done an explosion cutscene at all.

That Weekes quote turns out to be from a fan interview - he talks about other stuff on Twitter, but he won't talk endings. Here's the link to that -- take it for what it's worth, since obviously there's no way to prove that any of this is genuine.

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"we are aware that there are some fans who would like more closure to Mass Effect 3"

SOME fans? you lot obviously don't have 2 working eyes

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Kind of moot...but it would have been cool if the Geth or Edi came in just as Shepard was about to make a choice, and then started countering the Reapers and all. We'd have synthetic life, and a new life form proving that this time things really had changed. Go away Reapers.... Shepard gets a heads up (via Geth or Edi) on how to beat them on his/her terms, etc. It just would have made a better final statement IMO.

Seriously if you showed a draft for the ending we got a few months ago, anyone of us would have called it crazy to think it would ever make it in.

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Deganis76 wrote...

Tankcommander wrote...

DoctorEss wrote...

That's all well and good, but no amount of "closure" or "clarity" can fill in plot holes. At the core of it, that's what this has always been about. The ending has too much that flat out makes no sense. You can be as proud as you want about something that makes no sense, but it still, at the end of the day, makes no sense.

I don't consider failing to adhere to your own lore to be an "artistic vision".

Standing by something so universally reviled just reeks of hubris, though.  You should have considered humility instead of pride on this one.

Oh well. I'm sure you won't miss my money on every future Bioware release, and all the DLC. One customer means nothing, right?


This. Only it is a lot of customers. EVERY SINGLE person I know IRL that has beaten ME3 hates the ending. And that's over 10 people.


Funny, of all the poeple I know who have played Mass Effect 3 the review have been mixed.  1 disliked it, 2 were ambivalant, 3 liked it, and 2 loved it.  I think what we can glean from our two examples is this shocking revelation:  opinions vary and generalizations usually involve a lot of assumptions that may or may not be correct.

Well, I know a lot of people that already finished the game, and the large majority likes ( not loves) the game, but hate the ending. 
There are some indeed, who will say -'' I thought the ending was ok, after hearing all the fuss about it, I waxsexpecting a big mistake, but I found it ok, '' - so, at the very best,  a few consider the ending neutraly ok. meh... it's an ending. ... Basically that's their feeling. Furthermore, of those few who don't strongly hate the ending, 99% did not play Mass Effect 1, and over 50% did not play ME2. 
From those who actually played the 3 games and completed all of them, I could not find a single person who actually found the ending was good, or at least bareable.

And to those saying that 1 customer makes no difference, I would say that not even all the long time fans of Bioware together make a diference at this point, in their mind. 
Right now, Bioware sees MAss Effect 3 as a MAJOR success, because sales numbers beat all the company records. The sales are a success, but more than that:
-  In their mind, the whole transformation of the franchise from an RPG in ME1 to a Shooter in ME3 was extremely successful. They feel that they managed to appeal to shooter fans, critics claim their multiplayer is a lot of fun, and the numbers of users of the multiplayer seems to comfirm it. In their mind, they don't need the long time fans, who in the end are nothing but a pain in the a** with their constant reivindications.  They much rather have the pre-teen EA hype machine created fans, who are easier to please, less concerned with details and and story cohesion, and more interested in simply having fun  shooting each others. 

What I don't think Bioware is realising, is that right now, most of the gamers in the multiplayer mode, are either long term Mass Effect fans, or shooter fans curious to the hype and the overrated reviews the game had, most of the time encouraged to try ME3 by friends who are actually RPG fans  and that talked to them about how great the MP shooter part was. 
Problem is, this means RPG fans are already losing interest in Bioware products.  And shooter fans now have more attention to Bioware.  
But if BW was master at doing RPG's, I 'm pretty sure they will never achieve it with shooters. And without the Hype and praise from their long term fans, I doubt that any shooter made by Bioware will be able to appeal to most shooter fans. They will be competing with MW, BF, Rage and the like.  

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Just played through Arrival again. When talking to Dr.Kenson she says:

"Mass relays are the most powerful mass-effect engines in the known galaxy. The energy release from a relay's destruction would probably resemble a supernova"

The last sentence was what made me think the destruction of a mass-relay always causes a supernova. Sorry if we've moved on from this, but just thought i would post this since i've started a replay of the awesome game that is Mass effect 2.

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exactly my thoughts recently and 100 percent agreed with you there and in the same dlc a repaer tells to shepard his or her destiny in m3, he or she will be defeated and dead. rellay disconcerting the m3 ends i expected a the end more original in accordance with the fantastic that were the stories of mass effect in 1 and 2, but they gave us the añways cliche the heroes end,zzzzzzzzz

sorry my bad english no my native language

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freler31 wrote...

Just finished another play through. I realized that what gets me the most about the ending is, well it's just too short and empty. Cutting from Shepard's decision to a bunch of coloured explosions to Gilligan's planet in the space of, like, less than two minutes is terrible pacing. The ending of an epic is when you should be able to sit back and take in the entire experience.

It won't fix all the other problems with the resolution but at the least maybe the DLC will fix that much, so I'm cautiously hopeful.

Also every time I've finished the game since the first time I've had to turn the sound off once the "Stargazer" bit plays. Seriously that scene is just a heap of cheesy saccharine awfulness.

I have to disagree. I only think that there needs to be a tad more depth added to the ending and it'll be great. I like the current ending and think the dlc will make me love it.

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What a load. They will expand the ending's cinematics to elaborate how we go from a great universe where multi species space travel and intermingle back to a primitive state with no travel between planetary systems.

In the first 2 go round in the single player, I didn't really have a problem with the ending. It was the 3rd go around that made me think about it. I now agree with the general dissatisfaction. It's the worst ending of any game. Leaves a general let down after spending so much time in this universe. They're happy that this universe that they created is going back to primitive times.

They've shot themselves in the foot. Bioware, forget about creating any other games in this universe. You've lost too many fans.

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Colonel Sheppard wrote...

What a load. They will expand the ending's cinematics to elaborate how we go from a great universe where multi species space travel and intermingle back to a primitive state with no travel between planetary systems.

In the first 2 go round in the single player, I didn't really have a problem with the ending. It was the 3rd go around that made me think about it. I now agree with the general dissatisfaction. It's the worst ending of any game. Leaves a general let down after spending so much time in this universe. They're happy that this universe that they created is going back to primitive times.

They've shot themselves in the foot. Bioware, forget about creating any other games in this universe. You've lost too many fans.


Don't judge the extended DLC before it's out. I agree the ending is pretty awful, especially consider the superb job Bioware has had with endings before, but it's hardly the worst ending of any game. And if Bioware loses fans due to just the ending they weren't very good fans to begin with. Im still looking forward to and going to buy future Mass Effect games.

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We'll see how much value your "artistic integrity" holds when you release a new game, dear Bioware.

You're successfully alienating a major portion of your core fans. The ones who've stuck by you through thick and thin, advocated for your games and shared the experience with our friends. The ones who're responsible for a large portion of the word-of-mouth advertisement you've no doubt enjoyed the spoils of for many years now.

Dragon Age 2, SW:TOR and now Mass Effect 3. You're on a downwards spiral and it's becoming more and more apparent, to more and more of your fans.

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Spherexius wrote...

We'll see how much value your "artistic integrity" holds when you release a new game, dear Bioware.

You're successfully alienating a major portion of your core fans. The ones who've stuck by you through thick and thin, advocated for your games and shared the experience with our friends. The ones who're responsible for a large portion of the word-of-mouth advertisement you've no doubt enjoyed the spoils of for many years now.

Dragon Age 2, SW:TOR and now Mass Effect 3. You're on a downwards spiral and it's becoming more and more apparent, to more and more of your fans.

So much drama......It doesn't matter. The vocal minority would still buy the game if it is good so your threats are empty.

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will the next game be good?
Or will we get another ARTISTIC ending full of crap!

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Belhawk wrote...

will the next game be good?
Or will we get another ARTISTIC ending full of crap!

I am not clarivioant....

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Just a question, not directly related to the extended cut but im curious about one thing. I was disappointed by the ending of Mass effect 3, it's clearly not up to the standards of previous Bioware titles and it creates more questions than answering them. But am i in the minority of those who is disappointed in the ending that do not feel like i've been stabbed in the back by Bioware? Because that is the sense i get from reading these forums. Now, i know that people on forums tends to be on the extreme ends of opinions, that is, you either hate or love the X, but i am not in the minority right?

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Legion64 wrote...

You have a depressing out look on things.

It is called "realistic". Do you remember fleets orbiting the eartH? Once shepard is dead and gates are gone those guys will probably start fighting each other and in the end will invade earth - because they need place to live and must build food factories ASAP, and this time nobody will be able to "stop the war by yelling". Of course, Geth will be probably fine living on the moon.


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Does that mean Legion's sacrifice was useless?

Yes. Synthetics should use backups. Synthetics that cannot use backups should sacrifice other synthetics instead, because their lack of moral system allows that. Legion was more valuable than a random Geth Prime, so sacrificing Legion wasn't the most rational course of action.


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Was Mordin's sacrifice useless?

Pretty much. First, if geno****e cure malfunctions, nobody will be able to fix the mess, because Mordin is gone.
Second, now that Wrex is stuck on earth, Krogans will certainly blow Tuchanka into oblivion (this time for sure) - now that they can breed, they have unlimited supply of soldiers, so there will be endless war.


Legion64 wrote...


Was Thane's sacrifice useless?

The dude was terminally ill. Dying from a wound he got in a fight with another assassin isn't the worst way to go.


Legion64 wrote...


It really sounds like you're trying to make the Destroy ending sound better when it really is not (IMO).

Sorry to disappoint you, but I jumped into the middle beam - because:
  • I couldn't throw the damn starchild there instead of me.
  • I couldn't contact EDI for assistance and ask her to reprogram the reapers and insane ancient AI.
  • I didn't want to kill the EDI.
  • I had to assume my RI was dead.
  • Psychotic trigger-happy Renegade Shepard reborn as a Reaper is probably THE most dangerous thing that could possibly exist in the galaxy. I wouldn't be surprised if new Reaper-Shepard would decide to conquer galaxy alone and kill every single thing (living or not), because they're all weaklings.

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A hero to me, doesn't commit genocide.

There are different kind of heroes. As far as I can tell, main objective of Renegade Shepard was always to support humanity and protect his home by any means necessary and at any cost. Which means he/she wouldn't mind, say, sacrificing all remaining batarians (who cares about them, anyway) if it could improve chance of humanity's survival.. Besides during the course of the game most likely you've already sacrificed two races (Rachnie and Hanars on their homeworld) or betrayed yoru allies (Grunt squad and Specter squad in corresponding quests).

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 Hey guys, check out this survey. It's really in depth and hopefully BW will be using the results... 

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Hi from France ;)

I really hope that Bioware is considering all options to prepare this DLC. I respect their artistic integrity on ME3 endings (even if I am not really happy with them), but their artististic vision has to be in line with the scenario and the story. So, as MY Shepard proved that peace is possible between organics and synthetics (remember Rannoch), he should be able to challenge the point of view and the existing solutions proposed by StarChild, which are now "stone age" solutions, and request a new one : the destruction of the reapers, and only the reapers.

Please Bioware, consider all options !

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We'll see what happens...

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I'm looking forward to this. Hopefully this does deliver.

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very good articled written by a fan

http://writingofsile...-in-gaming.html

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Kaiser Sozer

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I loved Mass Effect 3 ending

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cyrslash1974

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I hated it.

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Listening "An end once and for all" track, thinking about the game and the playthroughs, I realized the end was not as bad as people say. We didnt get closure enough, but its ok... What makes me a little sad or nostalgic is the fact that the day I finished the game I couldnt play anymore... I was planning to start a female sheppard and finish my 3 others... I played around 250 hours ME 1 and 200 hours ME2 and one time ME3. I really enjoyed the game, and the feeling that I was near the end gave some kind of heart ache... I finished the game almost 2 monthes ago and I still feel a heart ache, a "missing feeling"... I dont know yet if I will play any ME again, but I couldnt uninstall them too, the games are ready to go... they are great, I feel the endings that we were presented dont allow lots of playthroughs...because we already know whats coming... this heart pain...not all bad...the whole was awesome and the end, in its way was good too. I guess the developers didnt know how attached we were to the game. Its hard to say goodbye this way... we were cut... we got a void feeling... We that love games AND their stories, emotions, characters cant say goodbye this way... Its was not only action for me, I liked the ME universe... and it was destroyed the way we knew during the gameplay... and theres nothing we can do inside game to change that... it was the last one of the series... We have only our complaints here outside... I think thats the big issue, well, at least for me...

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TheMachdude wrote...

 Hey guys, check out this survey. It's really in depth and hopefully BW will be using the results... 

 I did it. Not likely how most did but hey IMO the endings were good so...:whistle:

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Kaiser Sozer wrote...

I loved Mass Effect 3 ending


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