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[Shepard108278]

DrwEddy wrote...

I want the ending to be changed because what BioWare did at the end was insulting to me at the end and the crappy stargazer scene. >:-[

Maybe it was  to you but they won't change it they made that very clear and I agree with them.

[Darkness625]

Shepard108278 wrote...

Sweawm wrote...

Kaiser Sozer wrote...

I loved Mass Effect 3 ending

Care to explain how you liked it? Surely, you are disapointed by the fact that your War Assets did a big nothing in the end, the lack of conclusion, the sheer rushed nature of the ending or the fact that it isn't clearly explained about what exactely will the Crucible do?

If you like it that way, fine. But loyal Bioware fans deserve better.

Care to explain that? They didn't need to show every single asset. The asssets do make a difference in the battle and it was noticiable IMO.

i don't see any difference but the color explosions. even if the reapers are killed that doesn't change anything. the galaxy screwed no matter what you do

[Shepard108278]

Darkness625 wrote...

Shepard108278 wrote...

Sweawm wrote...

Kaiser Sozer wrote...

I loved Mass Effect 3 ending

Care to explain how you liked it? Surely, you are disapointed by the fact that your War Assets did a big nothing in the end, the lack of conclusion, the sheer rushed nature of the ending or the fact that it isn't clearly explained about what exactely will the Crucible do?

If you like it that way, fine. But loyal Bioware fans deserve better.

Care to explain that? They didn't need to show every single asset. The asssets do make a difference in the battle and it was noticiable IMO.

i don't see any difference but the color explosions. even if the reapers are killed that doesn't change anything. the galaxy screwed no matter what you do

I don't see it that way. I see it as a new begining not the galaxy screwed.

[Darkness625]

Shepard108278 wrote...

Darkness625 wrote...

Shepard108278 wrote...

Sweawm wrote...

Kaiser Sozer wrote...

I loved Mass Effect 3 ending

Care to explain how you liked it? Surely, you are disapointed by the fact that your War Assets did a big nothing in the end, the lack of conclusion, the sheer rushed nature of the ending or the fact that it isn't clearly explained about what exactely will the Crucible do?

If you like it that way, fine. But loyal Bioware fans deserve better.

Care to explain that? They didn't need to show every single asset. The asssets do make a difference in the battle and it was noticiable IMO.

i don't see any difference but the color explosions. even if the reapers are killed that doesn't change anything. the galaxy screwed no matter what you do

I don't see it that way. I see it as a new begining not the galaxy screwed.

i see it different, but respectable thought

[Shepard108278]

Darkness625 wrote...

Shepard108278 wrote...

Darkness625 wrote...

Shepard108278 wrote...

Sweawm wrote...

Kaiser Sozer wrote...

I loved Mass Effect 3 ending

Care to explain how you liked it? Surely, you are disapointed by the fact that your War Assets did a big nothing in the end, the lack of conclusion, the sheer rushed nature of the ending or the fact that it isn't clearly explained about what exactely will the Crucible do?

If you like it that way, fine. But loyal Bioware fans deserve better.

Care to explain that? They didn't need to show every single asset. The asssets do make a difference in the battle and it was noticiable IMO.

i don't see any difference but the color explosions. even if the reapers are killed that doesn't change anything. the galaxy screwed no matter what you do

I don't see it that way. I see it as a new begining not the galaxy screwed.

i see it different, but respectable thought

thanks for eing civil tis a rare thing here.

[Darkness625]

Shepard108278 wrote...

Darkness625 wrote...

Shepard108278 wrote...

Darkness625 wrote...

Shepard108278 wrote...

Sweawm wrote...

Kaiser Sozer wrote...

I loved Mass Effect 3 ending

Care to explain how you liked it? Surely, you are disapointed by the fact that your War Assets did a big nothing in the end, the lack of conclusion, the sheer rushed nature of the ending or the fact that it isn't clearly explained about what exactely will the Crucible do?

If you like it that way, fine. But loyal Bioware fans deserve better.

Care to explain that? They didn't need to show every single asset. The asssets do make a difference in the battle and it was noticiable IMO.

i don't see any difference but the color explosions. even if the reapers are killed that doesn't change anything. the galaxy screwed no matter what you do

I don't see it that way. I see it as a new begining not the galaxy screwed.

i see it different, but respectable thought

thanks for eing civil tis a rare thing here.

lol to bad we are in different sides

[ghost9191]

Shepard108278 wrote...

DrwEddy wrote...

I want the ending to be changed because what BioWare did at the end was insulting to me at the end and the crappy stargazer scene. >:-[

Maybe it was  to you but they won't change it they made that very clear and I agree with them.

i understand both sides, one hand i would like a new ending, but i hope this ec dlc will do the trick. If they do a better job at explaining the choices and showing more closure it might be enough.  But they do have the chance to fix the ending and i hope they do, not everyone found the ending to be bad (though more did then did not) but i would not like mass effect to be ruined over 10mins.

If it was my first mass effect game i think i would of been more accepting of the ending but because i clocked over 100 hours(way over) i get how it is a let down. Not just as a ending but story wise coming from bioware

Modifié par ghost9191, 09 mai 2012 - 03:49 .

[Sir Fluffykins]

SERIOUS REQUEST TO BIOWARE (PLEASE READ)

I've been hearing much about a "Trial" that was cut from the beginning of the game -where Shepards stands Trial for various "crimes" and characters defend him or go against him, I dunno.

Thing is, to me, that sounds amazing! Since the Chrono Trigger plot-twist Trial I've been dying to play a Trial where your previous actions, some that weren't even obvious, are shown as either positive or negative.

I understand after the Extended Cut you'll be moving onto Paid DLC and then you'll want to drop it to move onto something else, but to this one lowly player, adding the Trial (if it ever existed) to the beginning of the game sounds like a dream come true. Like an Extended Beginning in a years time?

Granted I have no idea what was planned/done and/or why is was cut, but it sounds like something I would have loved to play through -even more so if it acted like an introduction bringing old and new players up to speed on the plot.

If that's too much, maybe when you release the Complete Mass Effect collection in a few years time you can include extra stuff that was cut originally. I know I'd want it then -even though I already have the games.

Modifié par Sir Fluffykins, 09 mai 2012 - 10:11 .

[da mighty rEAper]

Sir Fluffykins wrote...

SERIOUS REQUEST TO BIOWARE (PLEASE READ)

I've been hearing much about a "Trial" that was cut from the beginning of the game -where Shepards stands Trial for various "crimes" and characters defend him or go against him, I dunno.

Thing is, to me, that sounds amazing! Since the Chrono Trigger plot-twist Trial I've been dying to play a Trial where your previous actions, some that weren't even obvious, are shown as either positive or negative.

I understand after the Extended Cut you'll be moving onto Paid DLC and then you'll want to drop it to move onto something else, but to this one lowly player, adding the Trial (if it ever existed) to the beginning of the game sounds like a dream come true. Like an Extended Beginning in a years time?

Granted I have no idea what was planned/done and/or why is was cut, but it sounds like something I would have loved to play through -even more so if it acted like an introduction bringing old and new players up to speed on the plot.

If that's too much, maybe when you release the Complete Mass Effect collection in a few years time you can include extra stuff that was cut originally. I know I'd want it then -even though I already have the games.

...deletion of such content makes no sense, unless there was that lazy, retarded argument - "we dont want to cut content from new players", so they could think that it would be too much for new players, to get charged for things you know nothing about, since they missed 2 games worth of story, emotion and gameplay

Modifié par da mighty rEAper, 09 mai 2012 - 12:14 .

[Darth Death]

BioWare will need one DLC & one expansion pack.

The DLC will be use to override the current endings as if they never existed.

The expansion pack will be use to supply 30 min, new, satisfying endings, & an apology note at the end of the credits.

And of course, all of it should be free.

[SavageOld]

Darth Death wrote...

BioWare will need one DLC & one expansion pack.

The DLC will be use to override the current endings as if they never existed.

The expansion pack will be use to supply 30 min, new, satisfying endings, & an apology note at the end of the credits.

And of course, all of it should be free.

And then fans from everywhere will finally experience the endings they deserve, not the GOD AWFULL MESS they got. Unfortunately, it's all wishful thinking...

[arathor_87]

Darth Death wrote...

BioWare will need one DLC & one expansion pack.

The DLC will be use to override the current endings as if they never existed.

The expansion pack will be use to supply 30 min, new, satisfying endings, & an apology note at the end of the credits.

And of course, all of it should be free.

Apology, for what? It's a game, and BW created it. So they have no reason to make an apology.

Modifié par arathor_87, 09 mai 2012 - 03:03 .

[Darth Death]

arathor_87 wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

BioWare will need one DLC & one expansion pack.

The DLC will be use to override the current endings as if they never existed.

The expansion pack will be use to supply 30 min, new, satisfying endings, & an apology note at the end of the credits.

And of course, all of it should be free.

Apology, for what? It's a game, and BW created it. So they have no reason to make an apology.

BioWare rushed ME3 for whatever reason & ended it on a cliffhanger. I thought all my questions would be finally answered, but unfortunately the antithesis happened. True, it is BioWare's game, but they did a horrible job maintaining their standards. Humility is always welcomed.   

[elessarz]

Sir Fluffykins wrote...
Thing is, to me, that sounds amazing! Since the Chrono Trigger plot-twist Trial I've been dying to play a Trial where your previous actions, some that weren't even obvious, are shown as either positive or negative.

Have you ever played Neverwinter Nights 2? There is a point in the game where you stand trial for your actions and can either clear your name or be known as... well, you get the picture.

[deathlord413]

Sir Fluffykins wrote...

SERIOUS REQUEST TO BIOWARE (PLEASE READ)

I've been hearing much about a "Trial" that was cut from the beginning of the game -where Shepards stands Trial for various "crimes" and characters defend him or go against him, I dunno.

Thing is, to me, that sounds amazing! Since the Chrono Trigger plot-twist Trial I've been dying to play a Trial where your previous actions, some that weren't even obvious, are shown as either positive or negative.

I understand after the Extended Cut you'll be moving onto Paid DLC and then you'll want to drop it to move onto something else, but to this one lowly player, adding the Trial (if it ever existed) to the beginning of the game sounds like a dream come true. Like an Extended Beginning in a years time?

Granted I have no idea what was planned/done and/or why is was cut, but it sounds like something I would have loved to play through -even more so if it acted like an introduction bringing old and new players up to speed on the plot.

If that's too much, maybe when you release the Complete Mass Effect collection in a few years time you can include extra stuff that was cut originally. I know I'd want it then -even though I already have the games.

This is probably a planned feature similar to the comic in ME2. Either they made it and cut it cut down the size of space on the disc or they wanted to get the full game out first and then releae it later for five bucks. My money is on the latter, because that's just the kind of money gurbbing thing that EA would do. 

[Vaktathi]

arathor_87 wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

BioWare will need one DLC & one expansion pack.

The DLC will be use to override the current endings as if they never existed.

The expansion pack will be use to supply 30 min, new, satisfying endings, & an apology note at the end of the credits.

And of course, all of it should be free.

Apology, for what? It's a game, and BW created it. So they have no reason to make an apology.

Aside from the fact they portrayed and advertised it as one thing, often in specifics, and consumers made purchasing decisions based on that information,  and they didn't deliver, and in fact included content that was exactly what they said they would not do.


That and the game itself was building up to something and the content put in for the ending very clearly was not it.

So yeah, it's their game, but when you promise one thing and portray a product as that thing, and deliver something else, yeah, there's an issue that deserves an apology. Bioware's very deflective and passive-aggressive attitude to the whole thing really hasn't helped.

[M8DMAN]

Anyone else getting tired of the words "artistic integrity"? Because I sure am.

I fear that game developers will start using it as a "get out of jail" free card everytime someone calls them out on their bad decisions.

[Bone3ater]

Just chiming in after a month or so.

So, yeah, the ending is still bad, and no "explanation" of Biowares "art" will change that.

Art is for people who can't explain what they did or wanted to achieve, and seeing as the ending of ME3 can't be explained even by the dev's, it doesn't surprise me that they use the "art" trump card.

And don't gimme your crap anymore, I'm an actor, so I'm also an "artist" but I still see that the ending is one big mess.

M8DMAN wrote...

Anyone else getting tired of the words "artistic integrity"? Because I sure am.

I
fear that game developers will start using it as a "get out of jail"
free card everytime someone calls them out on their bad decisions.

This.

Modifié par Bone3ater, 09 mai 2012 - 08:45 .

[VRtheTrooper]

arathor_87 wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

BioWare will need one DLC & one expansion pack.

The DLC will be use to override the current endings as if they never existed.

The expansion pack will be use to supply 30 min, new, satisfying endings, & an apology note at the end of the credits.

And of course, all of it should be free.

Apology, for what? It's a game, and BW created it. So they have no reason to make an apology.

i'm right there with you on this.

you can't tell an artist to change his painting once it is haning in a gallery, just because you don't like it. BioWare is entitled to do what they want. Be thankful they even addressed the issue.

[Almighty_Hoogs]

Then they shouldn't have made promises in pre/post gold and be surprised with the comments

[Darth Death]

VRtheTrooper wrote...

arathor_87 wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

BioWare will need one DLC & one expansion pack.

The DLC will be use to override the current endings as if they never existed.

The expansion pack will be use to supply 30 min, new, satisfying endings, & an apology note at the end of the credits.

And of course, all of it should be free.

Apology, for what? It's a game, and BW created it. So they have no reason to make an apology.

i'm right there with you on this.

you can't tell an artist to change his painting once it is haning in a gallery, just because you don't like it. BioWare is entitled to do what they want. Be thankful they even addressed the issue.

There are a few things I disagree with:

1. The artist & painting analogy doesn't work since the gaming industrial is more "design" centric than art. Videogames are not art. 

2. BioWare isn't entitled to do what they want. They're a business & have to make as much money as they can. If their competitors are during extremely well, (like Activision's call of duty) then EA can pressure BioWare to change whatever necessary to rival. BioWare doesn't have that much power than you think.

3. Let's say BioWare does do whatever they want, not caring about their fanbase. They're not going to be able to sell anything since the fans are the ones buying the majority. If all BioWare's fans no longer recognize them as a trusting company that provides good games, then there will be no BioWare. Period.   

4. Lastly, addressing the issue doesn't translate into fixing it. From what I heard, BioWare is going to "clarify" the endings & not giving us a brand new one. In essence, they're attempting to rationalize the contrived, contradictory endings in DLC form.  

Modifié par Darth Death, 09 mai 2012 - 11:16 .

[imnar]

VRtheTrooper wrote...

arathor_87 wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

BioWare will need one DLC & one expansion pack.

The DLC will be use to override the current endings as if they never existed.

The expansion pack will be use to supply 30 min, new, satisfying endings, & an apology note at the end of the credits.

And of course, all of it should be free.

Apology, for what? It's a game, and BW created it. So they have no reason to make an apology.

i'm right there with you on this.

you can't tell an artist to change his painting once it is haning in a gallery, just because you don't like it. BioWare is entitled to do what they want. Be thankful they even addressed the issue.

it's a product, not a work of art...something that has been purchased. the buyer has rights. bioware has made it painfully obvious they are full of it. take a look at the good doctor's comments then the backtrack and silence from him since he addressed the fans issues with the endings. i admired his words until i saw how empty they were. giving us cinematics won't change anything. cinematics and lack of choice was the reason for the complaints.

[PureLeadHead]

I just rewatched the Launch Trailer, it made me very sad. From what I've read about the Extended Cut, it doesn't sound like it will come close to fixing the humongous problems caused by the endings. I just hope it helps.

What made me sad was, if the endings hadn't been so off the charts terrible, I'd be replaying the game right now or doing multiplayer. But I've played very sparingly over the past few weeks. I bought ME2 the day of release, and I was playing it on and on for 4-5 months before I gave any serious gaming time to another game.

The endings are awful and the effect on the game for me is very saddening and inexcusable. Make the Extended Cut work BioWare! Add new endings!

[animadpig]

M8DMAN wrote...

Anyone else getting tired of the words "artistic integrity"? Because I sure am.

I fear that game developers will start using it as a "get out of jail" free card everytime someone calls them out on their bad decisions.

You always can boycott company. In this case, boycott the game from Bioware.

[M8DMAN]

animadpig wrote...

M8DMAN wrote...

Anyone else getting tired of the words "artistic integrity"? Because I sure am.

I fear that game developers will start using it as a "get out of jail" free card everytime someone calls them out on their bad decisions.

You always can boycott company. In this case, boycott the game from Bioware.

I didn't say anything about a boycott. All I said is that I'm tired of the "artistic integrity" excuse.

If you don't want to change something explain WHY you don't want to change it.  Don't just give us vague excuses, talk to us! Tell us why you ended the trilogy the way you did.

Tell us WHY you think the ending is art.

Modifié par M8DMAN, 10 mai 2012 - 03:48 .