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[Icinix]

M8DMAN wrote...

animadpig wrote...

M8DMAN wrote...

Anyone else getting tired of the words "artistic integrity"? Because I sure am.

I fear that game developers will start using it as a "get out of jail" free card everytime someone calls them out on their bad decisions.

You always can boycott company. In this case, boycott the game from Bioware.

I didn't say anything about boycott. All I said is that I'm tired of the "artistic integrity" excuse.

If you don't want to change something explain WHY you don't want to change it.  Don't just give the fans a vague reason, talk to us! Tell us why you ended the trilogy the way you did.

I am sick of it, mainly because its only being attached when it suits.

Artistic integrity is a blanket concept. Its either art, or its not. It can't be applied liberally in one area and not another.

I don't recall artistic integrity being used for overheating weapons, elevators or the mako when they were ringing changes from ME1. I don't recall artistic integrity when games are patches to change existing balances and nerfs and buffs occur. I don't see artistic integrity called when a game company decides on a retcon of something.

Quite frankly its made the argument of artistic integrity weaker, and the more game companies use it when it suits them - the one day gamers and game companies will need to be able to use it - it will fall on deaf ears.

[Alien1099]

Extending a crap ending for clarity isn't going to fly with me. Clarifying crap is all that will do.

FIX the ending that you SCREWED up in the first place or I'm not giving you another dime of my money Bioware, which thus far has been a pretty decent amount in games and DLC. Nobody wants to hear your ridiculous artistic integrity excuses because that ending has about as much in common with art as me tracking mud into my house after a rainstorm.

I'm voting with my wallet and I suggest others do the same if you find their bandaid to be unsatisfactory. 

Modifié par Alien1099, 10 mai 2012 - 06:01 .

[Roboviking]

The artistic integrity argument boils down like this...

This isn't a painting that people are failing to interpret. The game is more like someone commissioned you make a water vessel for them. It's artistic, but it also serves a commercial purpose. Even though the vessel is beautiful, it is discovered that it has a leak on the bottom. So instead of fixing that leak, and admitting your mistake, you claim it's part of your artistic vision and offer to paint a beautiful design circling the leak.

Pretty yes, but it still leaks.

You can pretty up the endings all you like, but they still won't hold water.

[CptData]

Am I the only one who's hoping they also might fix some bugs in the middle of the game with that DLC?

Like the Gabby/Kenneth-interaction bug?

Also I wonder if BW reintroduces cut (but already recorded) dialogue lines for characters that feel incomplete at the moment. And do the VAs record new lines for any upcoming DLCs we might not be aware of yet?

[OlympusMons423]

I really do think with some good writing, and some good choices, they could fix this. I get the frustration and all, but why burn them with fire so much, every time, before you see where they take this?

It will be free. I heard they brought in some voice actors (Tali's please too). If we get each choice explained a bit more. if we get actual scenes on the Garden Planet reflecting what these choices have done to our own friends and love interest.... it could go a long way

Look, I disliked, even hated this ending too....but I honestly loved so much of this game. yes I would love them to add more dialogue in the middle and fix some rough spots, but overall I still love this game. I have to give them a chance, at least. If I do anything I might suggest what I;d like to see in future DL or in this extended cut. At this point, which is not beyond hope for me at this point, its all I can do. If it is handled badly, maybe I do vote with my wallet too... but I'm just not there yet.

NOTE AGAIN TO BIOWARE:..I heard Kaiden actor was called in. Just make sure you get Tali's voice actor back in. That was some of the best voice work I have ever heard. Give that girl a raise... and more work please. She is excellent!....

AND to stress something very obvious here...a love interest would have something to say, or react to, about all this. It is kind of your final scene to leave us with, IMO. make each unique to their character. At least do this with teh major ones...Liara, Tali, Kaiden, Ashley, Garrus (just good buddy or love Interest)

[Ang3l o Xn6]

what i know just now is just that bioware won't change what make ME3 ending crap, so in my mind i will never buy an another Bioware game day 1, i will always wait for fan base critics.

[Stronglav]

You all so naive.

[cyrslash1974]

Chris Priestly from Bioware on HTL Website

http://www.holdtheli...ended-cut.1672/

[Trebor1969]

cyrslash1974 wrote...

Chris Priestly from Bioware on HTL Website

http://www.holdtheli...ended-cut.1672/

lol: At least in this HTL thread people are more civil than some in the BSN

Modifié par Trebor1969, 10 mai 2012 - 03:00 .

[Made in USSR]

ME3 final - its just Malevich's Black Square. I wanna so good final, as good ME series. Im dont care about happy end, im dont care about high art as Malevich square, all what me need (an i think much other fans) the good old BioWare quality. Without this bull**** as ****ing Malevich black square. If we (fans) didnt see, in Extended Cut, decent finale - its just mean what BioWare Die!! I undestand, Team tired, but please! make a last push to the great!
Sorry if my english so bad.

[Naughty Bear]

Made in USSR wrote...

ME3 final - its just Malevich's Black Square. I wanna so good final, as good ME series. Im dont care about happy end, im dont care about high art as Malevich square, all what me need (an i think much other fans) the good old BioWare quality. Without this bull**** as ****ing Malevich black square. If we (fans) didnt see, in Extended Cut, decent finale - its just mean what BioWare Die!! I undestand, Team tired, but please! make a last push to the great!
Sorry if my english so bad.

[Maver790]

Made in USSR wrote...

ME3 final - its just Malevich's Black Square. I wanna so good final, as good ME series. Im dont care about happy end, im dont care about high art as Malevich square, all what me need (an i think much other fans) the good old BioWare quality. Without this bull**** as ****ing Malevich black square. If we (fans) didnt see, in Extended Cut, decent finale - its just mean what BioWare Die!! I undestand, Team tired, but please! make a last push to the great!
Sorry if my english so bad.

[Wowky]

I just finished my second playthrough and the ending was just as confusing as the first time around (maybe even a little moreso, as I was paying even closer attention to it, thinking maybe I missed something the first time when everything was just thrown at my face in a big load of "here's some information, make a choice!").

I hold really high hopes that the EC can make sense of this all, because as it stands its hard to finish a game that for the most part I'm thinking "**** yeah" while playing totally bewildered as to WTF just happened.

[Made in USSR]

Ups!

Modifié par Made in USSR, 10 mai 2012 - 05:56 .

[ShinsFortress]

Alien1099 wrote...

Extending a crap ending for clarity isn't going to fly with me. Clarifying crap is all that will do.

FIX the ending that you SCREWED up in the first place or I'm not giving you another dime of my money Bioware, which thus far has been a pretty decent amount in games and DLC. Nobody wants to hear your ridiculous artistic integrity excuses because that ending has about as much in common with art as me tracking mud into my house after a rainstorm.

I'm voting with my wallet and I suggest others do the same if you find their bandaid to be unsatisfactory. 

I wouldn't say "nobody..." because clearly some do.  But otherwise I agree and I feel that the majority think the endings were terrible.....

[Made in USSR]

Modifié par Made in USSR, 10 mai 2012 - 05:49 .

[Stronglav]

Something to watch.

[Shepard108278]

Darth Death wrote...

arathor_87 wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

BioWare will need one DLC & one expansion pack.

The DLC will be use to override the current endings as if they never existed.

The expansion pack will be use to supply 30 min, new, satisfying endings, & an apology note at the end of the credits.

And of course, all of it should be free.

Apology, for what? It's a game, and BW created it. So they have no reason to make an apology.

BioWare rushed ME3 for whatever reason & ended it on a cliffhanger. I thought all my questions would be finally answered, but unfortunately the antithesis happened. True, it is BioWare's game, but they did a horrible job maintaining their standards. Humility is always welcomed.   

I don't agree at all. The game was not ended on a cliffhanger and they did maintain their standards.

[Shepard108278]

Naughty Bear wrote...

Made in USSR wrote...

ME3 final - its just Malevich's Black Square. I wanna so good final, as good ME series. Im dont care about happy end, im dont care about high art as Malevich square, all what me need (an i think much other fans) the good old BioWare quality. Without this bull**** as ****ing Malevich black square. If we (fans) didnt see, in Extended Cut, decent finale - its just mean what BioWare Die!! I undestand, Team tired, but please! make a last push to the great!
Sorry if my english so bad.

This I have no clue what I read.

[M8DMAN]

Shepard108278 wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

arathor_87 wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

BioWare will need one DLC & one expansion pack.

The DLC will be use to override the current endings as if they never existed.

The expansion pack will be use to supply 30 min, new, satisfying endings, & an apology note at the end of the credits.

And of course, all of it should be free.

Apology, for what? It's a game, and BW created it. So they have no reason to make an apology.

BioWare rushed ME3 for whatever reason & ended it on a cliffhanger. I thought all my questions would be finally answered, but unfortunately the antithesis happened. True, it is BioWare's game, but they did a horrible job maintaining their standards. Humility is always welcomed.   

I don't agree at all. The game was not ended on a cliffhanger and they did maintain their standards.

I'd call stranding my squadmates on an unknown planet a cliffhanger.  There's also the Shepard breathing cut to black scene too.

That's a pretty common cliffhanger trope.

Modifié par M8DMAN, 11 mai 2012 - 12:47 .

[Apache287]

 Just give me post ending scenes with Shepard and Tali on Rannoch and Shepard and Garrus on Earth/Palavan and I will be very happy and forgive Bioware for the ****e they put in the main game. Deus Ex Machina is bad enough already in games without using the literal translation of the phrase as the mai antagonist.

[Alien1099]

ShinsFortress wrote...

Alien1099 wrote...

Extending a crap ending for clarity isn't going to fly with me. Clarifying crap is all that will do.

FIX the ending that you SCREWED up in the first place or I'm not giving you another dime of my money Bioware, which thus far has been a pretty decent amount in games and DLC. Nobody wants to hear your ridiculous artistic integrity excuses because that ending has about as much in common with art as me tracking mud into my house after a rainstorm.

I'm voting with my wallet and I suggest others do the same if you find their bandaid to be unsatisfactory. 

I wouldn't say "nobody..." because clearly some do.  But otherwise I agree and I feel that the majority think the endings were terrible.....

You're right. This woman might think it's art:

www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/07/22/138513048/woman-pays-10-000-for-non-visible-work-of-art

On a related note, did Bioware employ James Franco to work on ME3 as a consultant or something?

Modifié par Alien1099, 11 mai 2012 - 01:28 .

[Shepard108278]

M8DMAN wrote...

Shepard108278 wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

arathor_87 wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

BioWare will need one DLC & one expansion pack.

The DLC will be use to override the current endings as if they never existed.

The expansion pack will be use to supply 30 min, new, satisfying endings, & an apology note at the end of the credits.

And of course, all of it should be free.

Apology, for what? It's a game, and BW created it. So they have no reason to make an apology.

BioWare rushed ME3 for whatever reason & ended it on a cliffhanger. I thought all my questions would be finally answered, but unfortunately the antithesis happened. True, it is BioWare's game, but they did a horrible job maintaining their standards. Humility is always welcomed.   

I don't agree at all. The game was not ended on a cliffhanger and they did maintain their standards.

I'd call stranding my squadmates on an unknown planet a cliffhanger.  There's also the Shepard breathing cut to black scene too.

That's a pretty common cliffhanger trope.

You're right that is a common cliffhnager trope but it's simply a scene of hope not a cliffhanger IMO.

[Repearized Miranda]

Shepard108278 wrote...

M8DMAN wrote...

Shepard108278 wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

arathor_87 wrote...

Darth Death wrote...

BioWare will need one DLC & one expansion pack.

The DLC will be use to override the current endings as if they never existed.

The expansion pack will be use to supply 30 min, new, satisfying endings, & an apology note at the end of the credits.

And of course, all of it should be free.

Apology, for what? It's a game, and BW created it. So they have no reason to make an apology.

BioWare rushed ME3 for whatever reason & ended it on a cliffhanger. I thought all my questions would be finally answered, but unfortunately the antithesis happened. True, it is BioWare's game, but they did a horrible job maintaining their standards. Humility is always welcomed.   

I don't agree at all. The game was not ended on a cliffhanger and they did maintain their standards.

I'd call stranding my squadmates on an unknown planet a cliffhanger.  There's also the Shepard breathing cut to black scene too.

That's a pretty common cliffhanger trope.

You're right that is a common cliffhnager trope but it's simply a scene of hope not a cliffhanger IMO.

It's still a cliffhanger (or would be if not for the endgame screen) because we don't know if this one of many more breaths or if this is his/her last breath. It's easy to think that just because Shepard got up the nine times, that s/he will get up on the tenth! It may NOT happen!

Cliffhangers evoke hope and fear! "Will he safe the girl?" "Will she save the boy?" "Will she kill herself?" We are hoping for the best scenario in all three cases since we are left "hanging from a cliff" in all three cases - hence, the term.

Hope for the best, but expect the worst. This is philosophical is nature, but this is exactly what cliffhangers force us to do!