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[su27]

Shepard108278 wrote...
. I know however that I am not the only one who likes the ending just those that do tend to avoid the bsn like a plague.

I also liked Synthesis ending, it was poetic, unorthodox ending of the story of heroism and sacrifice. A story of new beginning. Good ending to the great RPG saga.
But I understand why FPS kiddies may be mad about it. Games this days are about winning, not the story. 

Modifié par su27, 11 mai 2012 - 10:30 .

[groaaaa]

kbct wrote...

Worthless to me.






STOP ---- STOP ---- STOP ---- STOP ---- STOP ---- STOP ---- STOP ---- STOP ---- STOP ---- STOP

EDIT: If you guys want to make your voices heard (maybe), then VOTE in this poll:

http://social.biowar...11/polls/31441/

This is at 50% saying no to this dlc addressing player concern, be proud of what you achieved on this triology and don't think we are out to get you but we simply think you really screwed up. Go for the indoctrination theory, it does not have to be a happily ever after story or whatever people throw stink at this idea for but it fits so perfectly into what you have led us to believe should have happend at the end of this wonderful story.

Modifié par groaaaa, 11 mai 2012 - 11:27 .

[OlympusMons423]

I also liked Synthesis ending, it was poetic, unorthodox ending of the story of heroism and sacrifice. A story of new beginning. Good ending to the great RPG saga.
But I understand why FPS kiddies may be mad about it. Games this days are about winning, not the story. ...su27

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I will eventually investigate the Synthesis ending...but even if it is poetic, it just feels like such a war crime to me. We had been told as human how unique we are, and how that meant so much to how things had been done before. if the end solution is to remove that from ourselves, and every other life form...well its pretty damn troubling.

The statement about "FPS kiddies may be mad about it. Games this days are about winning, not the story"... I just don;t agree with 100%. Yes games are too much about winning in many minds. but honestly the very reason this ending is such a flash-point is totally about "the story".... I think you would not find many of teh multiplayer kids or people getting so upset about it...it is more the "story" people and long time fans, having the issues here.

Anyways, I am hopeful they do do a good to great job on the extended cut. they need to take this "very" seriously.. more so to honor their own excellent work that came before. Not a kid muyslef, and totally about the one player experience with this game. the ending made me ill for nearly a week. I know its been said before. Good you enjoyed it at least.... Peace

[su27]

Sorry for sarcastic comment on FPS kiddies, I didn't really wanted to start an a argument
I'm here just for noticing there are people who enjoy that kind of bittersweet ending. And I think a man wouldn't have much to say when standing before godlike power giving him 3 choices. It's like Moses arguing with God on 10 Commandments.
I agree it seemed a little bit rushed and the whole war asset gathering seemed to have little effect but I still enjoyed it. I hope Extended Cut won't change much, just gives us answers to some mysteries and unanswered questions.

P.S. I wonder which ending will be considered canon?

Modifié par su27, 11 mai 2012 - 01:47 .

[SalsaDMA]

su27 wrote...

Sorry for sarcastic comment on FPS kiddies, I didn't really wanted to start an a argument
I'm here just for noticing there are people who enjoy that kind of bittersweet ending. And I think a man wouldn't have much to say when standing before godlike power giving him 3 choices. It's like Moses arguing with God on 10 Commandments.
I agree it seemed a little bit rushed and the whole war asset gathering seemed to have little effect but I still enjoyed it. I hope Extended Cut won't change much, just gives us answers to some mysteries and unanswered questions.

P.S. I wonder which ending will be considered canon?

How many times do people have to state it's not because of "bittersweetness" the ending felt sucky before people stop throwing that silly calim around like you just did?

Narrative Coherence.

The ending has none.

Nor does it actually conclude anything... In an episode touted as "the CONCLUSION to shepards story".

And it is also pretty much the exact opposite in terms of amount of choice compared to what the devs stated it would be.

It has nothing to do with "bittersweet".

[su27]

Well, in terms of coherency, plotholes and ****ty ending I'm finding ME3 not even half as bad as Battlestar Galactica...

[SalsaDMA]

su27 wrote...

Well, in terms of coherency, plotholes and ****ty ending I'm finding ME3 not even half as bad as Battlestar Galactica...

BSG... Awesome series... Awfull ending.

At least in my opinion.

I literally warned my friends about the ending of the series when telling them about it as a good series

I wouldn't exactly call the ending of that series as something to 'aim for', tbh. Quite the opposite.<_<

[WATHTA]

Hmm...
I'm optimistic so far, let's just hope the DLC is better than what we have now.

[Illyria God King of the Primordium]

Like oh so many people, I was disappointed in the ending.  Sure, I didn't want anything too positive - maybe kill off some more major characters, but the lack of logic (such as the fact that the Citadel's re-entry would ignite the atmosphere, making survival at the end of Destroy ridiculous, or the cars flying behind the Illusive man, or...) meant it was really REALLY hard to believe.  Combined with the narrow options, it was incredible anyone liked it at all. 

I hope this improves things, Bioware.  I really do.  But, I also had a lot of hope for ME3.  And, to be quite honest, no ending you can ever come up with will now match the one I've made up as my headcanon. 

This may have been the point - by making such a **** ending yourselves, you've driven us to create our own wildly different ones.  If so, good job on the psychological mind****.  If not, please make it right. 

Thank you for doing really well until the last ten minutes. 

[Repearized Miranda]

@ the initial BSG comment:

EDI is not amused! (that was a joke)

@Salsa:

I saw that entire YT vid devoted to that. While I'm not saying it's wrong, again people are looking in the wrong place - that being the idea or theme. At the bare bones, it comes down to Shepard + Harbinger and Harbinger manipulating Shepard by any means necessary. His crew is with him to take out yours. He couldn't care less about them!

For all the smack-talk he did in ME2, who's "body did he want to preserve as much as possible?" and given that, how does that happen? By destroying what isn't his/her body - except he wasn't ready to enact his plan yet or was without Shepard (or the player) noticing.

It's an tried and true trope to use people/things/ideas close to the hero/ine to rattle him or her and it's used everywhere!

I'm not disagreeing with you at all, but to say ME3 was bitter is an understatement because the first two weren't exactly sweet either. We played to get "sweet endings." but there was no sweetness in the overall setting.

When ME2 was about to launch, I kept hearing about how "the story was darker than ME" as this part of the story is certainly darker; however, one would think that ME was dark, too and should think that it was because if not, than there is a serious disconnect here.

It would be just as bad if the first two games were sour and suddenly became sweet in the third! I doubt they would do that!

The Rachni Queen - which is whom many sound like: "They came and hurt our song with their sour note!" Truth be told, they didn't. We just never thought things were bittersweet to begin with.

Just like people who say: "Nothing can go wrong!" or "Things can't get worse!" - and have the audacity to add in "possibly" which implies the opposite can happen and in true trope fashion ... "I spoke too soon!"

Modifié par Repearized Miranda, 11 mai 2012 - 03:23 .

[AlanC9]

su27 wrote...
I also liked Synthesis ending, it was poetic, unorthodox ending of the story of heroism and sacrifice. A story of new beginning. Good ending to the great RPG saga.
But I understand why FPS kiddies may be mad about it. Games this days are about winning, not the story. 

Heh. As you may have seen, one of the standard criticisms of the ending goes something like "only a shooter fan who doesn't actually care about ME's story or characters coud possibly like it."

I always thought that was nonsense, so it's nice to see someone with the exact opposite viewpoint.

[Repearized Miranda]

^ FPS? I thought ME was a TPS.

I agree though. However, with a game like ME, who plays for the story after two runs since all paths lead to the same place? This goes with the IoC thing that has been a staple since the series began!

Everyone keeps moaning about how they said it wouldn't be "A, B, C" - when in reality, there was only A and B - actually only A. Now, imagine if A was your only choice?

That's like an indecisiveness person struggling because there are a million options out there; yet, complains when there are too few! Apply this to Mass Effect.

If there was no Saren, there'd be no secondary boss fight or Synthesis choice
If there was no TIM, there'd be no choice to Control

So what is left? Unless Anderson/Hackett tells you that tht option no longer exists which would clearly nullify the series since that was your goal.

It's to stop the Reapers - not to save everybody because as noted in ME3, you can't do both!! You can't have your cake and eat it, too.

I'm shocked many actually believed it when BW told us this! Not that they needed, too because we should be smart enough to grasp that!

Games are always about winning! This is false since winning and losing come in varying degrees.

As people have said, it's not about Shepard dying because s/he could've been killed off in the previous game - can't continue via import when that happens.

If that happened, how many considered that a "noble" sacrifice? I doubt it. That merely served as a lulz! They said, it's possible to lose, but I don't think they really believed anybody would try it. It's more that - then they just made it to be winnable just because.

Just like they didn't have Shepard die in ME3, just because although it is harder to keep Shepard alive this time or "win" - especially since many have FRS.

[MrAtomica]

Not sure how this actually improves the current situation. This is essentially a verbatim repetition of the original statement regarding the Extended Cut, with a few extra lines of "Hooah!" thrown in.

I remain wary of getting my hopes up over this DLC. For every inspiring quote from a developer/producer/community manager, there is another one that cuts right through the positive message and annoys me all over again. This is getting truly tiring.

[Azrever XVII]

For many of you the "Extended Cut" will help answer some questions and give closure to this chapter of the Mass Effect story. KEY WORD: This Chapter. He did not say the Final Chapter. Or the conclusion of the mass effect story. hint hint

[Pkxm]

no you are just overanalyzing what he said. and bioware has always planned more mass effect. they have said me3 is the end of sheps story

[Naughty Bear]

Jsxdf wrote...

no you are just overanalyzing what he said. and bioware has always planned more mass effect. they have said me3 is the end of sheps story

And from the looks of it, the end of the actual timeline for Mass Effect. No matter how you look at it, this cycle was close to being successfully harvested.

The only way for Mass Effect is to go back. I only wish Bioware continued the universe for a few more years. Let the lore build up with some interesting events to come into action.

The only noteworthy event in the history of Mass Effect with Humans involved in the galactic community is the first contact war.

Modifié par Naughty Bear, 11 mai 2012 - 10:06 .

[wrighty232]

How can Pro-Enders ignore the raging plotholes in the ending? Or the depressing implications of the ending . Just go to the spoiler forum to see these listed.
Here's hoping the EC fixes the problems, however unlikely that is.

[Stronglav]

Azrever XVII wrote...

For many of you the "Extended Cut" will help answer some questions and give closure to this chapter of the Mass Effect story. KEY WORD: This Chapter. He did not say the Final Chapter. Or the conclusion of the mass effect story. hint hint

You do not slaughter a chicken that brings golden eggs  

[Naughty Bear]

Cheburator987 wrote...

Azrever XVII wrote...

For many of you the "Extended Cut" will help answer some questions and give closure to this chapter of the Mass Effect story. KEY WORD: This Chapter. He did not say the Final Chapter. Or the conclusion of the mass effect story. hint hint

You do not slaughter a chicken that brings golden eggs  

Since this is EA we are talking about, the chicken will die eventually from being overworked.

Kill it now or kill it later?

[ghost9191]

wrighty232 wrote...

How can Pro-Enders ignore the raging plotholes in the ending? Or the depressing implications of the ending . Just go to the spoiler forum to see these listed.
Here's hoping the EC fixes the problems, however unlikely that is.

it was like what 1 % of ppl that voted on the poll were pro enders?  remember every race has idiots:blink:  That was a joke

as long as they have a good reason or can say why they like it i don't mind, but the ones that do it just to be that guy and don't know what they are talking about are annoying. but i guess that is their point

[Shepard108278]

ghost9191 wrote...

wrighty232 wrote...

How can Pro-Enders ignore the raging plotholes in the ending? Or the depressing implications of the ending . Just go to the spoiler forum to see these listed.
Here's hoping the EC fixes the problems, however unlikely that is.

it was like what 1 % of ppl that voted on the poll were pro enders?  remember every race has idiots:blink:  That was a joke

as long as they have a good reason or can say why they like it i don't mind, but the ones that do it just to be that guy and don't know what they are talking about are annoying. but i guess that is their point

8% actually and to adress ghost I don't see any and that is my opinion. IMO there are not any plot holes just a few unanswered questions.

[Stronglav]

Naughty Bear wrote...

Cheburator987 wrote...

Azrever XVII wrote...

For many of you the "Extended Cut" will help answer some questions and give closure to this chapter of the Mass Effect story. KEY WORD: This Chapter. He did not say the Final Chapter. Or the conclusion of the mass effect story. hint hint

You do not slaughter a chicken that brings golden eggs  

Since this is EA we are talking about, the chicken will die eventually from being overworked.

Kill it now or kill it later?

But before it dies EA plans to extract maximum money possible.

[Voodoo2015]

Wait, now when the anger has cooled.

Thought a little, read and listened to what fans think.
EA / BW comes out with an extended cut ending, not a new ending.

Space magic will remain, God the child will remain, we don't get an epic boss battle with Harbinger. The ending will look the same as it does now?

The only EA / BW will do is to fill in the plot holes.

EA / BW this is only an explanation why the ending sucks. EA has been voted the worst company in America, They have done it again, congratulations.

EA, which owns BW is the real culprit, BW has nothing to say about the ending.

[Acidrain92]

Voodoo2015 wrote...

Wait, now when the anger has cooled.

Thought a little, read and listened to what fans think.
EA / BW comes out with an extended cut ending, not a new ending.

Space magic will remain, God the child will remain, we don't get an epic boss battle with Harbinger. The ending will look the same as it does now?

The only EA / BW will do is to fill in the plot holes.

EA / BW this is only an explanation why the ending sucks. EA has been voted the worst company in America, They have done it again, congratulations.

EA, which owns BW is the real culprit, BW has nothing to say about the ending.

everything in the mass effect universe could be qualified as space magic if bioware didnt explain any of it. All they need to do is explain it and it will seize to be space magic. inb4 terrible "explaining **** doesnt make it not ****" analogy that doesnt apply at all.

the only thing they will do is fill plot holes? really? plot holes are like 90% of why the ending sucks so much as it is now. Filling plot holes is what will fix the problem. Quit crying.

[Voodoo2015]

Acidrain92 wrote...

Voodoo2015 wrote...

Wait, now when the anger has cooled.

Thought a little, read and listened to what fans think.
EA / BW comes out with an extended cut ending, not a new ending.

Space magic will remain, God the child will remain, we don't get an epic boss battle with Harbinger. The ending will look the same as it does now?

The only EA / BW will do is to fill in the plot holes.

EA / BW this is only an explanation why the ending sucks. EA has been voted the worst company in America, They have done it again, congratulations.

EA, which owns BW is the real culprit, BW has nothing to say about the ending.

everything in the mass effect universe could be qualified as space magic if bioware didnt explain any of it. All they need to do is explain it and it will seize to be space magic. inb4 terrible "explaining **** doesnt make it not ****" analogy that doesnt apply at all.

the only thing they will do is fill plot holes? really? plot holes are like 90% of why the ending sucks so much as it is now. Filling plot holes is what will fix the problem. Quit crying.

I'm not crying.

BW was marketing the game that everyone would have a completely different experience. All you did would have a impact the ending.

But what we got was, three similar endings. They gave us a Deus Ex Machina the Godchild who has an argument which contradict itself.

It's not just the plot holes that are the cause of the bad ending
Fairly 90% more to 50%.

And be forced to play MP just to see someone take a breath and then the Sopranos ending. Not worth it.

And as my Shepard behaved when we met the Godchild, all of a sudden he accepted all that the godchild says.
He has never done that before in the series.So why now? No matter how you play the game good or evil. You get exactly the same ending(s).

I would like to persuade the Godchild to do it. Or make him understand and make
The Godchild to get the Reapers to go back to dark space.
Even maintain the endings that they already have. Add two or three endings and fill in the the plot holes. Make my choices have a bigger impact in the game.

Do not get me wrong. I love the ME Series. ME3's amazing 95%.

Modifié par Voodoo2015, 12 mai 2012 - 11:14 .