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[Xellith]

www.holdtheline.com/threads/so-what-happens-after-the-extended-cut.1826/

Related to extended cut.

[MerchantGOL]

I am sorry i don't get this. 
Can u elaborate this a bit more?
 

like it was said


I think what he's trying to say is that the Cycle depends on utter secrecy, and hiding its existence from future cycles.  The Protheans already broke this, and the current civilization will find a way to pass more information to the next cycle, even if it doesn't defeat them now, the Reaper's have a systemic flaw in their plan that will eventually cause it to fail.

Thus a new solution is needed. 

Their cycle was meant to be a perfect solution, not only did it fail the reapers for intents and purposes lost the second the illusive man wen't down.

[MichaelSD]

Cycle, no cycle. Indoctrination, no indoctrination, etc. Come one, with a proper story we would not be pondering what the hell is the game about. And no, this mess will not be sorted out by EC.

[Viktoria4322]

I do not know as at others, and at me feeling from the game ending as though to me a brain raped, as after merge of reasons to Liara in the first part, only is much stronger.
didn't know that I will tell such, but the second part appeared better than the third. Isn't present to the game atmosphere, a gameplay and графону claims aren't present, is disappointed with the saga ending.
so hoped that everything will end "well", a grandiose wine party in a citadel bar. After a victory in war Shepard will raise kids and to enjoy pension with an increase for a period of service, the world will be restored in a galaxy, all will be happy.
Now I play only a multiplayer, I will start to pass again only at the favorable ending of game.
I hope BioWare won't disappoint us

[FireKetchup]

Sejborg wrote...
the problem is that alot of people couldn't understand what was going on

This isn't true, but even if it was it doesn't begin to explain why people are upset.  What about the three "different" endings that are all the same except for color?  What about how the endings didnt take ANY choices we made into account?  The ending was bad and a betrayal, end of story.

[mjh417]

Bioware, you really do somewhat sicken me with your cowardly use of terms like "artistic vision" and "artistic integrity." If thats really what you felt you'd come out and tell all of us fans that we are dead wrong and that your ending rules and needs no fixes or "additional clarity and closure" and that we have to live with what we got, BUT NO, you instead announce this DLC, as though it's an olive branch, and yet in that very announcement you essentially invalidate the whole point of fixing the end by saying that you aren't really gonna fix it in the ways it probably needs to be fixed but are instead going to try to fluff up resell the ending hardly anyone liked and see your not gonna "change" it cause of your "integrity."

You guys win the award for backwards PR nightmare moronic condescending behavior.

Just either admit that the ending stunk and that you want to do everything you can within reason to redesign it so that it's the true fitting conclusion that the story and it's audience deserve, or tell us to scram. This pretending like your doing us a favor by offering free DLC (like we wanted) but condescendingly acting like you can only do tiny tweaks cause of your integrity or whatever is just ultimately an insult to your fans.

[fear_me]

mjh417 wrote...

Bioware, you really do somewhat sicken me with your cowardly use of terms like "artistic vision" and "artistic integrity." If thats really what you felt you'd come out and tell all of us fans that we are dead wrong and that your ending rules and needs no fixes or "additional clarity and closure" and that we have to live with what we got, BUT NO, you instead announce this DLC, as though it's an olive branch, and yet in that very announcement you essentially invalidate the whole point of fixing the end by saying that you aren't really gonna fix it in the ways it probably needs to be fixed but are instead going to try to fluff up resell the ending hardly anyone liked and see your not gonna "change" it cause of your "integrity."

You guys win the award for backwards PR nightmare moronic condescending behavior.

Just either admit that the ending stunk and that you want to do everything you can within reason to redesign it so that it's the true fitting conclusion that the story and it's audience deserve, or tell us to scram. This pretending like your doing us a favor by offering free DLC (like we wanted) but condescendingly acting like you can only do tiny tweaks cause of your integrity or whatever is just ultimately an insult to your fans.

I enjoyed mass effect 3. I thought it was a great game and i have played single player twice and on my 3rd playthrough on insanity now. I won't let the bad ending ruin my enjoyment of mass effect. Multiplayer is a lot of fun and has a lot of replayability in the spectre packs trying to unlock the characters and weapons you want.... However I also agree the ending made no sense at all and wasn't up to the standard of mass effect story telling. Too many plot holes to mention and not enough closure. The game was great up until entering the final run up to the beam to enter the citadel. The only thing that will please the fans is an entirely new ending. Bioware is on one hand acknowledging the outrage of fans yet at the same time firmly standing behind their ending. I don't see how this can end well but I am also cautiously optimistic that Bioware can pull a rabbit out of their hat so to speak and surprise us with something great...

On a sidenote I thought it was interesting how stargazer at the end tells the boy he has time for one more story about the Shepard. a DLC perhaps?

[Shepard108278]

mjh417 wrote...

Bioware, you really do somewhat sicken me with your cowardly use of terms like "artistic vision" and "artistic integrity." If thats really what you felt you'd come out and tell all of us fans that we are dead wrong and that your ending rules and needs no fixes or "additional clarity and closure" and that we have to live with what we got, BUT NO, you instead announce this DLC, as though it's an olive branch, and yet in that very announcement you essentially invalidate the whole point of fixing the end by saying that you aren't really gonna fix it in the ways it probably needs to be fixed but are instead going to try to fluff up resell the ending hardly anyone liked and see your not gonna "change" it cause of your "integrity."

You guys win the award for backwards PR nightmare moronic condescending behavior.

Just either admit that the ending stunk and that you want to do everything you can within reason to redesign it so that it's the true fitting conclusion that the story and it's audience deserve, or tell us to scram. This pretending like your doing us a favor by offering free DLC (like we wanted) but condescendingly acting like you can only do tiny tweaks cause of your integrity or whatever is just ultimately an insult to your fans.

No it isn't. Ultimately this was their story and they ended it how they wanted and they will not fix it nor should they if they don't deem it bad. I liked it and think the EC will answer my few gripes.

[Tazzmission]

Shepard108278 wrote...

mjh417 wrote...

Bioware, you really do somewhat sicken me with your cowardly use of terms like "artistic vision" and "artistic integrity." If thats really what you felt you'd come out and tell all of us fans that we are dead wrong and that your ending rules and needs no fixes or "additional clarity and closure" and that we have to live with what we got, BUT NO, you instead announce this DLC, as though it's an olive branch, and yet in that very announcement you essentially invalidate the whole point of fixing the end by saying that you aren't really gonna fix it in the ways it probably needs to be fixed but are instead going to try to fluff up resell the ending hardly anyone liked and see your not gonna "change" it cause of your "integrity."

You guys win the award for backwards PR nightmare moronic condescending behavior.

Just either admit that the ending stunk and that you want to do everything you can within reason to redesign it so that it's the true fitting conclusion that the story and it's audience deserve, or tell us to scram. This pretending like your doing us a favor by offering free DLC (like we wanted) but condescendingly acting like you can only do tiny tweaks cause of your integrity or whatever is just ultimately an insult to your fans.

No it isn't. Ultimately this was their story and they ended it how they wanted and they will not fix it nor should they if they don't deem it bad. I liked it and think the EC will answer my few gripes.

i dont love nor hate the endings but i am confused by it. i do agree with you though 100% regarding they shouldnt have to change a damn thing but oviously 90% of the board feel otherwise

[Grubas]

MerchantGOL wrote...

I am sorry i don't get this. 
Can u elaborate this a bit more?
 

like it was said


I think what he's trying to say is that the Cycle depends on utter secrecy, and hiding its existence from future cycles.  The Protheans already broke this, and the current civilization will find a way to pass more information to the next cycle, even if it doesn't defeat them now, the Reaper's have a systemic flaw in their plan that will eventually cause it to fail.

Thus a new solution is needed. 

Their cycle was meant to be a perfect solution, not only did it fail the reapers for intents and purposes lost the second the illusive man wen't down.

Secrecy. Given the fact that the work on the crucible started many many cycles ago, and was advancing with every cycle,  proves that they knew about flaws in their solution already. Because i assume they knew about the crucible. How could they not? 

Given the fact that the catalyst already has the possible 3 solutions to this problem. Why do they, the reapers, each a nation, with the knowledge of many many cycles, why cant they decide on their own?

Why do they need the help of one bleeding, and traumatised soldier who will pass out any minute? How is he supposed to make a decision? Shouldnt they start abducting e.g.: philosophers and have a debate about the future of the cosmos with them instead?

[M8DMAN]

There's so much white knighting in this thread it sickens me.

[StowyMcStowstow]

There's so much discussion of stupid star-child dialogue in this thread it makes me want to waterboard a US Citizen without legal proceedings.

[whitelighter117]

I just don't want to be let down again guys, I simply fell in love with game and I played ME1 and ME2 MANY MANY times over. But I played Mass Effect 3 twice. The first time I enjoyed the game, seriously it was your guys best work to date, until the last twenty minutes, man I felt really let down. So I figured maybe like all traditional Mass Effect games you should play through it again to get the ending that you strive for, that is to say it gets even better. So I was very sad to say that it wasn't the case at all, the game until they last 20 minutes was absolutely perfect, I mean it ranks among Bach and Mozart the way the composing was of the game. Then there's the last....20....minutes... Now I can't put in the game knowing just how disappointed I really was just turn it off or switch the game once it loads the menu. I don't know if I articulated just how important the game was to me emotionally. I hope and I pray that the "extended" DLC is more than scenes and epilogue to it. You guys are known for awesome surprises so is it wishful thinking that that may be the case, but its a good wish. Do the story, the fans love, bioware and the gaming industry as a whole justice and deliver one of the most kick butt ending in the history of gaming and we are all ecstatic with.

[StowyMcStowstow]

Prepare to be let down, Whitelighter. The ending is staying the same. They're just explaining that you didn't just explode the Sol System and either kill everyone you've ever loved or doom everyone to a slow death by starvation.

[prothy.the.prothean]

How about instead of working on an extended cut, BioWare, you work on the damn Black Hole glitch so some of us can actually get to the ending in the first place? Seriously, a 92 page thread deserves your attention, you know so maybe you could stop ignoring those who pay your bills.

Modifié par prothy.the.prothean, 24 mai 2012 - 05:14 .

[Kiadaw]

Artistic integrity is more important than the very fan base that have stick to them for 3 games? (thats excluding the other Bioware titles along the way)

Some people need to swallow their pride a little, nothing wrong with admitting a mistake, if you intend to correct it.

If they stick to this attitude, then they must not blame lost of sales in future titles & DLCs.

[Stronglav]

Kiadaw wrote...

Artistic integrity is more important than the very fan base that have stick to them for 3 games? (thats excluding the other Bioware titles along the way)

Some people need to swallow their pride a little, nothing wrong with admitting a mistake, if you intend to correct it.

If they stick to this attitude, then they must not blame lost of sales in future titles & DLCs.

All of my friends were so insulted by this "artistic integrity" that they returned theyr copies of the game and switched to other more interestin games.Like FNV and Oblivion. 

[Atakuma]

prothy.the.prothean wrote...

How about instead of working on an extended cut, BioWare, you work on the damn Black Hole glitch so some of us can actually get to the ending in the first place? Seriously, a 92 page thread deserves your attention, you know so maybe you could stop ignoring those who pay your bills.

EA pays their bills.

[Thanatos144]

Cheburator987 wrote...

Kiadaw wrote...

Artistic integrity is more important than the very fan base that have stick to them for 3 games? (thats excluding the other Bioware titles along the way)

Some people need to swallow their pride a little, nothing wrong with admitting a mistake, if you intend to correct it.

If they stick to this attitude, then they must not blame lost of sales in future titles & DLCs.

All of my friends were so insulted by this "artistic integrity" that they returned theyr copies of the game and switched to other more interestin games.Like FNV and Oblivion. 

That is thier right.....But lets be honest here shall we?????It has been months since the games release and a lot of people trade in games to afford newer ones that come out.....

[AlanC9]

prothy.the.prothean wrote...

How about instead of working on an extended cut, BioWare, you work on the damn Black Hole glitch so some of us can actually get to the ending in the first place? Seriously, a 92 page thread deserves your attention, you know so maybe you could stop ignoring those who pay your bills.

The people working on the EC aren't likely to be the same ones working on an XBox-specific issue. Different parts of the code and different skillsets.

[RedRacoon]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Cheburator987 wrote...

Kiadaw wrote...

Artistic integrity is more important than the very fan base that have stick to them for 3 games? (thats excluding the other Bioware titles along the way)

Some people need to swallow their pride a little, nothing wrong with admitting a mistake, if you intend to correct it.

If they stick to this attitude, then they must not blame lost of sales in future titles & DLCs.

All of my friends were so insulted by this "artistic integrity" that they returned theyr copies of the game and switched to other more interestin games.Like FNV and Oblivion. 

That is thier right.....But lets be honest here shall we?????It has been months since the games release and a lot of people trade in games to afford newer ones that come out.....

I do something similar to that, but without having to trade in something that I paid $60 for: renting.

Since you trailed off, let me finish for you. Honestly, people do either with games that are good to play, but not to keep. For example, I bought Fallout 3. I did not trade it in for Fallout New Vegas. I currently own both games not because I haven't found games that I consider to be better, but because they are great games. These are games I will keep until the day I die. That's what people do when they find a product they really like, be it a video game, a movie, a book, or a teddy bear.

[Huntress]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Cheburator987 wrote...

Kiadaw wrote...

Artistic integrity is more important than the very fan base that have stick to them for 3 games? (thats excluding the other Bioware titles along the way)

Some people need to swallow their pride a little, nothing wrong with admitting a mistake, if you intend to correct it.

If they stick to this attitude, then they must not blame lost of sales in future titles & DLCs.

All of my friends were so insulted by this "artistic integrity" that they returned theyr copies of the game and switched to other more interestin games.Like FNV and Oblivion. 

That is thier right.....But lets be honest here shall we?????It has been months since the games release and a lot of people trade in games to afford newer ones that come out.....

Some people do not have any attachment to things, I am not one of them, January 2012 I had to get rid of my old games because I had to make space for new ones here is a list of few of them:

Quest for Glory serie ( my favorite)
Lords of Magic
BirthRight
King Quest
Migth and magic VII-IX
Pharaoh+ Cleopatra: Queen of the Nile
Caesar
Betrayal In Antara/Return To Krondor.

Still play: Zeus+ poseidon

[M8DMAN]

Any future ME3 DLC will probably end up tanking like Dragon Age 2's DLC. The first two DA2 expansions sold so poorly that bioware had to kill any future plans for DLC.

Modifié par M8DMAN, 24 mai 2012 - 06:36 .

[TheDarkShape]

Sure, but Dragon Age II across Xbox 360, PS3, and PC sold less copies than Mass Effect 3 for Xbox 360 alone.

[venom56321489]

And where is all the single player dlc! they constantly come out with multiplayer dlc every other weekend. Atleast it would give some something to do while they wait for the extended cut ending. It may help make the game more playable. I still have only played it once.