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[TheSeventhJedi]

Derek Larke wrote...
Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?
No. BioWare strongly believes in the team's artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.[/list]
What is BioWare adding to the ending with the Extended Cut DLC?
BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences. The goal of these new scenes is to provide additional clarity and closure to Mass Effect 3.[/list]

Here's my problem.

Some liked the ending - they don't need anything else.

Plenty didn't like the ending - to be helped, they need a new one.

Did ANYONE say, "Gee, I would like the ending if it were clear enough for me to understand the "artistic" (can't make those air quotes sarcastic enough) vision?  Who is the target audience for this?  This really feels like BioWare hopes polishing the turd will make us like it better.  I'm begging to be proven wrong, but I just see this "artistic vision" thrown around, and I'm about to snap.

#1 To whoever wrote the ending.  It is NOT art.  Mass Effect 1 - the last 10 minutes of Mass Effect 3, THAT is art.  The ending is tired.  It's cliche.  It's ridiculous.  It's riddled with unfixable (don't care how much you clarify them) plotholes.  It is ABSOLUTE CRAP. 

#2 To add to #1, while video games are art, they are meant to be sold.  If people get burned, they stop buying your games.  If they stop buying your games, you go hungry, simple as that.  BioWare really seems to me right now like that kid who sits at the back of a classroom thinking about how deep he is.  BioWare - get over yourself.  Stop patting yourself on the back for being artistic - especially when you did NOT achieve art.  Fire whoever wrote the ending.  And above all, if you want to keep fans, give them what they want!

#3  I've said it before, and I'll say it again - I don't plan to boycott BioWare over this.  However, let's look at the record. 

*I played the crap out of DA:O.  Bought tons of DLC and immediately preordered DA2.  I played that installment, shelved it after one playthrough, bought no DLC, and definitely will not preorder DA3.  MAYBE if the FAN reviews are glowing I'll rent it, and if I find it worth a second playthrough, I'll buy it after a price drop - or used.

*I played the crap out of ME1&2.  Bought ALL the DLC, and immediately preordered ME3.  I played that installment, shelved it after one playthrough, and will not buy DLC if the ending doesn't get well and truly fixed.  (My sentiments exactly -  )  I definitely will not preorder future BW games.  MAYBE if the FAN reviews are glowing I'll rent it, and if I find it worth a second playthrough, I'll buy it after a price drop - or used.

I ask you this, BioWare, do you want me to be the kind of customer I was (blindly preordering a CE for EVERYTHING with a BW label on it,) or the kind of customer you're forcing me to be?  You've already done tons of damage to the amount of money I'm willing to drop on BW games in the future, all so someone could pat himself on the back and call himself an artist.  Swallow your pride, or risk losing countless customers forever.

[BewareofCrisps]

That blog post made me physically sick. Goodbye BioWare, hello headcannon.

[TheNevincer]

I'm actually split on whether I should play this, even if it's free. See I could get my hopes up, do the 'wait and see' approach... but wouldn't my hope just be shattered once more wherin my second playthrough, I have to go through that travesty again, just extended? I think I'll have to wait for the reviews to be sure.

[Gamer790]

Not what I or a lot of people wanted, but more or less what I expected. However, thank you for what you're doing Bioware and thank you for making it free.

Modifié par Gamer790, 05 avril 2012 - 04:52 .

[Persephone]

GeneralArrow wrote...

Wow, you guys are really ungrateful! Bioware is TRYING to appease you and all you can think about is how to shove it up there throats! Bioware, don't listen to these guys...they don't deserve it imo. If all they can do is bash your attempts and not even give you chance.Great movement, bravo guys. Well done...*sarcasm*

Pretty much my thoughts.

I can UNDERSTAND that people will be wary.

But this is FREE content. A clear olive branch.

Wait and see until the results are in. Be wary. Be suspicious, if you must.

But give this DLC a chance. Besides, PAX might yield clearer answers. Posting this before PAX gives you the chance to ask even more precise questions. USE THAT when you are there. NEGOTIATE!

[Chaia]

In other words, someone at BioWare messed up with the endings, they don't want to admit it publically as they want to keep up the 'Artisic' illusion and to keep saying they have the best writers in the industry (and admitting their writers messed up would contradict that) 

So they've attempting to meet people halfway, but will probably ultimatly end up annoying everyone in all camps even more by playing about in the middle.

I would love to hear what the ME team actully thinks of the ending, no PR rubbish, just honest to God opinions, not that EA/BioWare would ever allow that. Even Bethesda stepped up to the plate and admitted their ending needed to be changed with Fallout 3 and did so, and frankly, my opinion of the company as a whole went up (not making empty promises also, kept it up)

I'll wait to the summer to see what BioWare does with the endings (who else guessed it would take even longer to get a physical reasult??) before I give my final verdict to the ending and Mass Effect as a whole, but for now I can't be bothered to play again, this whole thing has put a downer on it (my friends arn't even bothering to get the game now) 

Modifié par Chaia, 05 avril 2012 - 04:49 .

[TMA LIVE]

Hopefully they explain why the God Child or the Reapers didn't take control of the Citadel, and lock the Relays a long time ago.

[ParagonX30]

TjM78 wrote...

Bioware could not have thought this news would be met with joy. Could they?

lol. DUDE, they thought it was the best idea ever to create the shi**iest ending in the history of Videogames. And they thought we would dance in the streets and worship their artistic vision. Seriously. These guys don't know what to do anymore. They're desperate and i can see this in everything they do currently. From tweets, to blogs, to other announcements. They try to save the last bit of credibility they have. Well. It'll backfire. Just get out the popcorn and enjoy the show. 

[Accism]

So I guess they're attempting a compromise between keeping the ending and changing it, thereby pleasing absolutely no-one. Well done!

[Keladis]

Well I don't know what to say! I can't believe they are backing the Crap ending that was Mass Effect 3 and only going to add some cinematic and epilogue!

Well looks like I am done with DLC for Mass Effect 3 and I'll be renting or borrowing any new games from BioWare from now on. After DA 2 and ME 3's ending and the slap in the face from this announcement I don't see a point anymore.

[TGiNcRySiS]

Hell yes you are proud? You took gold and turned it into iron. You absolutely ruined that franchise with 10 minutes. You all should be ashamed actually.

[The_N7]

xScarecrowX wrote...

@aristaea I love your profile pic!

[Bebuse]

Some further thoughts:

This is effectively an admission on Bioware's part that they screwed up. If they were really happy with the endings, they would leave them entirely.

Now, I am of the opinion that no sane person could be PROUD of an ending in which you disregard the lore your entire carefully created universe, crowbar in a poorly written Deus Ex Machina which makes little sense, tell the audience that the story was actually about something completely different to what most people thought it was and blatantly contradict everything you told your audience about choices and outcomes. I believe the writers must be as ashamed of the endings as we are disappointed. This game, this entire series, maybe even the company as a whole will not be remembered for the majestic Space Opera, it will be remembered for the atrocious ending. This is sad, but true. Mass Effect will be a warning to other game developers rather than an inspiration, and nobody wants that.

Bioware will of course never admit that. They cannot.

But by releasing this news, and by beginning work on a clarification of the story, they have acknowledged that their work was broken. The issue will not go away. You have admitted the ending is broken, why not bite the bullet and fix it, rather than tell us exactly what leaps of logic we need to understand the plot holes? It is like a person telling their guest to walk around the hole in the kitchen floor, and giving them an unwanted story about how it got there, rather than fixing it.

[Amioran]

DoctorEss wrote...

That's all well and good, but no amount of "closure" or "clarity" can fill in plot holes. At the core of it, that's what this has always been about. The ending has too much that flat out makes no sense. You can be as proud as you want about something that makes no sense, but it still, at the end of the day, makes no sense.

The fact that it doesnt' make sense for you and many people here doesn't say anything at all really, apart maybe about yourself (and the hilarious thing is that all of you think you discovered "plot holes" omg). Probably if you would ever read something more profound than Tolkien in all your life you would have problems understanding those books too, would that mean that what you did just read was garbage?

I restrained myself till now on this thing about the ending, but now it seems to me that people are really trying hard to be as stubborn as they are.

If you read what's written well in this message you will understand that "Mass Effect" as the franchise has not ended with this chapter. It was clear even before if instead of complaining about the ending you would have turned in motion your brain a little more, but now, with this declaration on this DLC they (Bioware) even wrote it plainly for everyone to understand it (or if you cannot then check your IQ, seriously).

The "ending" it's just an ending to the Shepard's saga. It's not an ending in the full sense. For this there are lapses and what you call "plot holes". It is not bad writing, on the contrary. When there's a lapse one of the most committal thing to do for the reader is to give unanswearable questions/choices at the moment. This is what they are doing. This is why it seems that you (the gamer) doesn't have a choice in the matter and all the unresolved things. This is done intentionally. Probably they ever anticipated the turmoil it would have caused but it can be that they (Bioware) overestimated the intelligence of the fans in understanding the motivations. Alas, it has not happened and they now can now either risk to make what comes next less interesting with this DLC. We will see.

How can you not understand it that the "ending" is not and ending at all (and no, I'm not talking about "indoctrination", also if I must admit that it would have been a good way to begin a new chapter without Shepard)? Well there can be many answers to this. The primary is that instead of blaming others of bad writing you should start becoming maybe a better reader yourself so next time you can understand when to complain about things and when instead it would be better to keep quiet. And what's worse is that in the net you either see people that want to look good writing about Socrate's without either understanding clearly about what they are talking about, oh well....

Is this write of mine a little harsh? Yes it is, but frankly I sometimes wonder if maybe democracy and liberty of free speech is a good thing all in all given the time we live in.

Modifié par Amioran, 05 avril 2012 - 04:55 .

[Noelemahc]

Derek Larke wrote...

Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?
No. BioWare strongly believes in the team's artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.[/list]
What is BioWare adding to the ending with the Extended Cut DLC?
BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences. The goal of these new scenes is to provide additional clarity and closure to Mass Effect 3.[/list]

That is sad. This means that all the complaints about the ending went COMPLETELY over the head of the design team. There better be one hell of a retcon in there if they don't want to alienate the part of the fanbase that hasn't ran off to greener pastures already.

This means that Commander Shepard still will have died a needless death OR that this is not the end of the series. The game ends on the brink of a holocaust, whichever colour you've decided to paint it. So whatever is in the DLC will have to have over 30 minutes of continuous screentime (and that volume is kinda hard to personalize in such a short timespan to be released as a FREE DLC), or will fail at its intended goal.

And we're still not getting ANY admittance that the ending as it is (as it is still undeserving of the plural, choosing the flavour of the Apocalypse does not negate it being one) is flawed, incomplete, inconclusive, unsatisfying and utterly unrelated to the preceding 60+ hours of screentime.

Modifié par Noelemahc, 05 avril 2012 - 04:57 .

[Persephone]

Kargsure wrote...

Persephone wrote...

For the LOVE OF CHRIST.....

PLAY the DLC first. Wait and see.

Geez, we get a free DLC and all people do is complaining? Check out the DLC's content. If it's not sufficient, you can still complain then. Give Bioware a (tentative) break for now and wait for PAX/answers/the DLC itself.

The trouble with the wait and see approach is that once the Extended Cut DLC is made - there will be no second chances - there is no way that Bioware will go back and try a third attempt to get the ending right.  

While I'm happy to wait until after the Bioware Panel at PAX (this is thier opportunity to expand on the press release in more detail), the DLC described in the press release, is not what I or the majority of fans are asking for, so unless the press release is badly underselling the DLC then Bioware/EA have it so very wrong.  If this is the case then NOW is the only time to complain, it's the only time when it might possibly have any influence over the content of the DLC - after it's released is far too late.

My thoughts:

This statement gives you guys clear questions to ask. Clear negotiation terms, USE THEM, rather than insulting Bioware.

[Blackmind1]

Thanks guys! I look forward to it! It would be great if you could add a tiny bit more clarification on The Reapers, and maybe am FMV where Shepard gets to stand off against Harbinger before the run to the Citadel.

That's everything I ask for.

[Jaron Oberyn]

Bioware you guys just committed corporate suicide lol. It's been a fun ride, but I guess even the mightiest of them fall eventually. You're certainly testament to that.


-Polite

[daigakuinsei]

I think this is what most of us were looking for. Never expected BioWare to rewrite completely the ending. It just needed better execution and fleshing out.

I believe Mike Gamble when he says he wants to release something amazing and gratifying.

Also think you guys shouldn't rush making this. It's totally unreasonable for fans to whine about the ending feeling rushed but then demand you rush extra content and expect it to be polished. I'd take quality over speed here in a heartbeat.

[Azgoroth]

this isn't the end of bioware. WE, the people, asked for one to two things: To change the endings completely, or to add content that make the endings something that Shepard deserved. From what I am reading on these forums, the time and money that it would have taken to make completely new endings was both unrealistic and not worth the time.

So we got the add-on, which isn't surprising. My honest opinion is that the endings are going to be very important to how this game is remembered, for better or worse.

I'm going to reserve my judgment of the game until I see the what Bioware has in store. Bioware gave us something of what we wanted. Bioware is far from done....I don't think that this is the end of Bioware. I think that they reached for the stars, and they may have overreached.

THAT BEING SAID, I for one am psyched for the ending add ons.

[TjM78]

I don't normally **** about games. I mean hell I'm one of the few people who defend DA2 as an unloved gem. 90% of ME3 was FANTASTIC. The ending clarified or not was dog vomit

[shumworld]

I guess I'll do what I did before. Play the game to its end and when it comes to the ending. just stop and read a fan fiction on what I felt the ending should of been.

Sadly though, this doesn't really motivate me to play it anytime soon or buy any of the dlc this game will offer.

[I-AM-KROGAN]

 Is it going to add anything to multiplayer?