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[Cainne Chapel]

bleachorange wrote...

Eralrik wrote...
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My local Walmart has the Mass Effect 3 for $19.98 now I think I should have waited, it's wierd but games that came out last year like Star Craft 2 is stil $59 and Mass Effect came out this year and it's already on discount pricing.

it's not selling as well as EA wants. i'm sure they're making money, but this was supposed to be a cash cow, not merely profitable. sales are below projections from what I hear. spending almost a billion dollars on advertising between EASports and every other EA title has got to put pressure on people to make up for all that money spent.

starcraft 2 will stay $59 until the next one comes out.

actually the game has sold extremely well if the numbers I saw amonth ago are any indication.  AS good as as ME is it has never been a "cash cow" its been profitable, but its not mario or GTA or halo or CoD of course.

ME3 last I checked has outsold ME2 and 1 one through its respected dates, but the true testament will be to see if the game has legs.  But so far its done as well as it should have being the third entry.

[bleachorange]

Thanatos144 wrote...

bleachorange wrote...

it's not selling as well as EA wants. i'm sure they're making money, but this was supposed to be a cash cow, not merely profitable. sales are below projections from what I hear. spending almost a billion dollars on advertising between EASports and every other EA title has got to put pressure on people to make up for all that money spent.

Wishful thinking. You wish It didnt sell good but the truth is they sold so many they can afford to make the price cheaper now.

And you know this how? why would they make the price cheaper by 33-66% 2 months after release unless they needed to ship units? you clearly don't understand how EA operates. They sell Madden for $60 for 6 months until football season is over. They sell all their other games at full price for at least 6 months normally. Why change their modus operandi unless there's a problem? I've seen prices for ME3 anywhere from 19.99 to 29.99 to 39.99 to 59.99. It depends on who's selling, but odds are if it's not selling, the retailer lowers the price.

check EA's origin store. mass effect is still full price there which means they aren't willing to lower their profit margins just yet. so it's the third party retailers who are trying to move out stock that's been sitting on shelves by dropping prices.

do the research and you'll find out many things. and EA's history of profiteering is well-known in the industry. It's by no means a bad thing as long as you don't deliberately cut content that was originally meant to be included and charge for it later, and as long as your product is good. EA has a history of taking a good product and ruining it in an attempt to squeeze more profits from it.

Modifié par bleachorange, 31 mai 2012 - 02:22 .

[bleachorange]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

actually the game has sold extremely well if the numbers I saw amonth ago are any indication.  AS good as as ME is it has never been a "cash cow" its been profitable, but its not mario or GTA or halo or CoD of course.

ME3 last I checked has outsold ME2 and 1 one through its respected dates, but the true testament will be to see if the game has legs.  But so far its done as well as it should have being the third entry.

I understand the numbers dont lie and it has been more popular than ME1 and ME2 to date. But I'm saying future projections are different than past performance. EA was expecting this to be bigger than it is even though they have made millions. That's all I'm saying.

Modifié par bleachorange, 31 mai 2012 - 02:19 .

[Demongodloki]

 That's awesome and all... But I can't even get thought the whole game in peace because there are still so many glitches. >_> 

[Cainne Chapel]

bleachorange wrote...

Cainne Chapel wrote...

actually the game has sold extremely well if the numbers I saw amonth ago are any indication.  AS good as as ME is it has never been a "cash cow" its been profitable, but its not mario or GTA or halo or CoD of course.

ME3 last I checked has outsold ME2 and 1 one through its respected dates, but the true testament will be to see if the game has legs.  But so far its done as well as it should have being the third entry.

I understand the numbers dont lie and it has been more popular than ME1 and ME2 to date. But I'm saying future projections are different than past performance. EA was expecting this to be bigger than it is even though they have made millions. That's all I'm saying.

But that doesn't make sense Bleachorange, EVERY business basis stuff on past performances, thats really the only REAL indicator you can base future projections on.

I HIGHLY doubt given ME1 and ME2's performances they were magically thinking that ME3 would do HUGE numbers, its just not feasible.  Sure they WANT it to have huge numbers but you cant sit there and believe that the third entry on a franchise that sells 1-2 million at launch will magically all of a sudden do double or triple that.  There's no way possible that's even rational from a business or accounting standpoint.  No matter HOW much $$ you put in advertising.

So I have to ask, how would we as consumers KNOW exactly how many units EA was hoping to sell?

[Loaderini]

 some people suggested the possibility of the Extended Cut failing to deliver.
there only one way for the EC DLC to fail: if it ignores the player's choices, like the game's ending did.

Modifié par Loaderini, 31 mai 2012 - 12:06 .

[Grubas]

No, im sanguine we get a suicidemission or that kind.

[RAF1940]

Does it really matter? Most of the details were "lost in time."

[RAF1940]

Pattonesque wrote...

I really liked how the Rachni were integrated into the final battle. All those soldiers swarming over the Reapers really gave me a sense that my decisions mattered, you know? I mean, you guys said a while ago that they'd play a big role in the final battle, and man, you totally delivered. The new DLC isn't going to, say, remove that and reduce the Rachni decision to a simple hundred points of war assets, is it?

lol

[estikatsi]

Just to point something out... I've been a huge fan of ME and ME3 truly left me unsatisfied. I would have expected a little more from Bioware and releasing a DLC that gives only a few cinematics (trust me you didn't need us FANS to get mad at you to understand it was pretty "uncomplete") won't fix the thing... a few tips I'm talking about are here: , please change all you need to... even the things you didn't plan to... we deserve it as well... and it it isn't only a matter of money. You owe us more than just a free cinematic right? http://knowyourmeme....he-rock-driving This is the key on keeping your fans alive... please please please rethink TOTALLY the ending.

[spiriticon]

I thought ME3 sold pretty well didn't it? I heard a figure of 3.5 million being levied around. That's as good as Uncharted.

[RedRacoon]

You guys are shooting yourselves in the foot.

[AlanC9]

Which guys do you mean?

[Gibsy]

I can only hope that you actually DO completely rewrite the ending, but state otherwise to avoid nagging fans poking the back of your neck repeatedly, saying, "I told you so."

But sometimes it's more heartening for the fans to get an "Okay fine, I screwed up."
Let's cut this charade and just go back to loving each other.

[Kyle Kabanya]

Bioware stated when they released the information about the extended cut, was that the extended cut would just be more cutscenes to explain the artistic integrity for those who don't understand.

^For something like that, it wouldn't take more than two months to design and produce with CGI effects. Which seems odd that its been three months, and they still haven't released or given a release date for the extended cut.

That combined with the fact that they are bringing back the voice actors, makes it seem like they are redoing the whole ending. BUT, Bioware also stated they weren't changing or adding any gameplay with the extended cut, so the voice-overs being done could be a single player DLC beinng released at the same time.

Everything is speculation though. Nobody seems to be giving us any information on it aside from it being:
1. More cutscenes added to the original ending
2. No extra/changed gameplay

But then again Bioware could be lying to everyone, which is what would explain the long wait.

[RyuujinZERO]

*comes back*

Oh hi there, you guys still waiting for the EC?

In this time in Skyrim, Bethesda's added mounted combat and magic and ranged weapon kill cams just because they thought it'd be pretty damn cool - all for free of course, and they fixed a whole slew of bugs and unveiled an epic expansion/DLC too boot...

...and they're still figuring out what to write in the epilogue for ME3?



It's been so long since the disapointment of ME3's ending I'm not sure I even care any more.

Modifié par RyuujinZERO, 02 juin 2012 - 12:47 .

[Gibsy]

RyuujinZERO wrote...

*comes back*

Oh hi there, you guys still waiting for the EC?

In this time in Skyrim, Bethesda's added mounted combat and magic and ranged weapon kill cams just because they thought it'd be pretty damn cool - all for free of course, and they fixed a whole slew of bugs and unveiled an epic expansion/DLC too boot...

...and they're still figuring out what to write in the epilogue for ME3?



It's been so long since the disapointment of ME3's ending I'm not sure I even care any more.

Now, now. It's unfair to compare the omniscent beings developers at Bethesda to any other company.

[Prism]

RyuujinZERO wrote...

*comes back*

Oh hi there, you guys still waiting for the EC?

In this time in Skyrim, Bethesda's added mounted combat and magic and ranged weapon kill cams just because they thought it'd be pretty damn cool - all for free of course, and they fixed a whole slew of bugs and unveiled an epic expansion/DLC too boot...

...and they're still figuring out what to write in the epilogue for ME3?



It's been so long since the disapointment of ME3's ending I'm not sure I even care any more.

Because writing is all there is to developing a dlc... yeah.

[DaJe]

Cainne Chapel wrote...

bleachorange wrote...

Eralrik wrote...
...
My local Walmart has the Mass Effect 3 for $19.98 now I think I should have waited, it's wierd but games that came out last year like Star Craft 2 is stil $59 and Mass Effect came out this year and it's already on discount pricing.

it's not selling as well as EA wants. i'm sure they're making money, but this was supposed to be a cash cow, not merely profitable. sales are below projections from what I hear. spending almost a billion dollars on advertising between EASports and every other EA title has got to put pressure on people to make up for all that money spent.

starcraft 2 will stay $59 until the next one comes out.

actually the game has sold extremely well if the numbers I saw amonth ago are any indication.  AS good as as ME is it has never been a "cash cow" its been profitable, but its not mario or GTA or halo or CoD of course.

ME3 last I checked has outsold ME2 and 1 one through its respected dates, but the true testament will be to see if the game has legs.  But so far its done as well as it should have being the third entry.

Mass Effect had the chance to become a huge success. Lateley many franchises have seen insane numbers. The Mass Effect franchise does not reach those numbers because it is trying to find a different audience with every turn.
If they would just stick with one audience and expand upon it rather than replace it they could achieve much much more financially and without pissing off their fans.

These business practices and design decisions driven by market trends are hurting EA and Bioware. Gamers don't like to be fooled and treated like statistics.

[Voodoo2015]

Any words on EC dlc?

[Huntress]

Kyle Kabanya wrote...

Bioware stated when they released the information about the extended cut, was that the extended cut would just be more cutscenes to explain the artistic integrity for those who don't understand.

^For something like that, it wouldn't take more than two months to design and produce with CGI effects. Which seems odd that its been three months, and they still haven't released or given a release date for the extended cut.

That combined with the fact that they are bringing back the voice actors, makes it seem like they are redoing the whole ending. BUT, Bioware also stated they weren't changing or adding any gameplay with the extended cut, so the voice-overs being done could be a single player DLC beinng released at the same time.

Everything is speculation though. Nobody seems to be giving us any information on it aside from it being:
1. More cutscenes added to the original ending
2. No extra/changed gameplay

But then again Bioware could be lying to everyone, which is what would explain the long wait.

OR they pull a DA2 style and go full stop before they run out of cash and announce they'll make something "new" and it will most definitely be epic...

[AlanC9]

DaJe wrote...
Mass Effect had the chance to become a huge success. Lateley many franchises have seen insane numbers. The Mass Effect franchise does not reach those numbers because it is trying to find a different audience with every turn. 
If they would just stick with one audience and expand upon it rather than replace it they could achieve much much more financially and without pissing off their fans.

These business practices and design decisions driven by market trends are hurting EA and Bioware. Gamers don't like to be fooled and treated like statistics.

Wat a second. How were ME2 and ME3 chasing different audiences? I agree that ME3 was trying to add MP fans onto ME2's fans, but that's what you just said Bio should be trying to do.

ME1 to ME2.... maybe. I always thought that was more a symptom of ME1 having incoherent design objectives, but it's difficult to prove this.

[TheDarkShape]

Yeah, I don't know if I'm following there. Mass Effect 3 is very much a refined Mass Effect 2. It adds multiplayer, but there's hardly a real shift in terms of gameplay or design objectives. It's a refinement of ME2, not a major play at being something else.

Not to mention, the audience *is* expanding.  Mass Effect 3 will end up outselling both previous games (it already has outsold the first).

Modifié par TheDarkShape, 03 juin 2012 - 12:30 .

[Xellith]

Calling ME3 a refined ME2 is insulting to ME2.

[TheDarkShape]

Not thinking ME3 is a refined ME2 is being a total fanboy who blindly denies ME3's strengths.   Thank God I live in a world where something isn't either "Awesome" or "Worst Thing Ever!!!!"

Modifié par TheDarkShape, 03 juin 2012 - 01:06 .