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[Grubas]

o Ventus wrote...

TheDarkShape wrote...

Not thinking ME3 is a refined ME2 is being a total fanboy who blindly denies ME3's strengths.   Thank God I live in a world where something isn't either "Awesome" or "Worst Thing Ever!!!!"

ME3 only refines ME2 in gameplay (Meaning combat in this context). Otherwise, it's a stark downgrade on numerous fronts.

I agree, though i must add:
The conclusions to ME2 storylines are a big +.
Albeit the conclusions to ME3 storylines are Kai Leng and some "war assets". "Have you seen the Volus fleet? Its 75!" 

[Rajalia]

The overall story in 3 was excellent. i would have liked to have seen more focus on some aspects to give them greater depth and meaning. A lot of the built up relationships with characters at times felt a little hollow, it would have been nice to see some kind of "loyalty" mission of some kind that at least broadened the friendship bond and/or LI interactions. I think too much was left to conversation pieces that had no true interactivity so at times you really didn't feel as invested in the other characters other than your possible LI.

None the less, the majority of the story arch was a great ride.

And granted, though media pitches by bioware had promised a staggering number of possible endings in instead only 3 were really provided.... I can accept this. Not like one can really deny it anyway as they've already stated that the ending isn't being changed... period. So it'd be like kicking a dead horse. You can do it... but it's not going to get you anywhere.

I would very much like to see a little more involvement with all the war assets. You gather a ton of races and assets yet it's boiled down to but a few very brief glimpes of some Turians, Krogan and Asari fighters working with humans. But no scenes showing Rachni, Quarians, Geth, etc. It's suppose to be an epic scale battle and each race should have some screen time getting to stick it to the reapers.

Lastly as the EC promises... just filling in the holes and gaps. Ending was far too open ended leaving too much to question. it definitely needs some follow ups and excerpts about characters and what they went on to do. Also... perhaps some bug fixes to correct any chars in your final group not suddenly appearing as though they abandoned you by coming out of the Normandy.

Either way... over all the series was good, even ME3. I just don't think it met up to the standard than 1 & 2 had previously set before it and the true secret to any successful sequel is that it must beat any of those that came before it otherwise there's no real point in continuing it forward. (A concept companies like Disney don't seem to comprehend.)

[LadySayuri]

I'm replaying ME2 and it's pretty disappointing Bioware didn't go through with the dark energy plot. I heard that was the original ending before the script leak last year.

[TMA LIVE]

LadySayuri wrote...

I'm replaying ME2 and it's pretty disappointing Bioware didn't go through with the dark energy plot. I heard that was the original ending before the script leak last year.

It wasn't. Dark Energy ending is just a rumor.

[ztemplarz]

Yeah, see, the way I look at it, is it doesn't really matter. My Shepherd doesn't exist anymore. While I would like to find out what the total ramifications were, in the end, it doesn't matter. So yes, I am perfectly "satisfied" by the ending, because I thought that it was important to "understand" what it was that led to all the attacks by the reapers, and that I stopped it. I'm not going to go into details, but I am "happy" with my choice. Does it really matter if any of my crewmates survived? No, not at all. It was the galaxy that faced "destruction" (or more appropriately, violent culling). So, while it might be neat to know if Samara survived or not, it doesn't really matter. Did millions die with the destruction of the mass relays? Maybe. But does it really matter? No. Because those are millions that would have been killed anyway, had the reapers continued (maybe not all, but many). As it was, there was plenty of destruction going on at the time, and it was understood that many would end up dead. So, while it would be neat to know if Thessia recovered quickly, or Paladium was saved, it truly doesn't matter. In the end, there was survival.

In any event, they already said that the new "DLC" will answer many of those questions, so great. I didn't need those answers, but apparently many other people felt like they do. And it's free, so they're getting it.

Those same people would have complained for months if they had said, "You know what? We're going to delay the release another couple months, so we can finalize some things." It was a lose-lose for them, and they decided to not push it further. These things happen in gaming, especially RPGs, where there are story arcs that have to get tied together. As someone that has been playing RPGs since 1995 or so, I'm pretty accustomed to it, and take it in stride.

I'm just happy they finished ME3, at all. I had really looked forward to Dragon Age, and was pretty disappointed by it. I didn't even buy Dragon Age 2, and will wait to see if I'll purchase Dragon Age 3. I like fantasy much more than sci-fi, yet the title I was most looking forward to severely disappointed me. I have pretty much given up hope of there ever being a KOTOR 3, and have absolutely no reason to believe I will ever see another game in the Arcanum universe. Such is life.

[M8DMAN]

TMA LIVE wrote...

LadySayuri wrote...

I'm replaying ME2 and it's pretty disappointing Bioware didn't go through with the dark energy plot. I heard that was the original ending before the script leak last year.

It wasn't. Dark Energy ending is just a rumor.

The Dark Energy subplot was real. Drew Karpyshyn wanted that to be the focus of the trilogy. Did you forget all that foreshadowing in ME2?  

[Grubas]

ztemplarz wrote...

In any event, they already said that the new "DLC" will answer many of those questions, so great. I didn't need those answers, but apparently many other people felt like they do. And it's free, so they're getting it.

Bioware said so many things, still waiting till they live up to the last statements they made. 
Seriously, they know whats on stake. Changes are coming, call it as you want ^^. 

Dark energy would be a better ending, at last the way Karpyshyn describes it.

Modifié par Grubas, 05 juin 2012 - 11:33 .

[Linkforlife]

M8DMAN wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

LadySayuri wrote...

I'm replaying ME2 and it's pretty disappointing Bioware didn't go through with the dark energy plot. I heard that was the original ending before the script leak last year.

It wasn't. Dark Energy ending is just a rumor.

The Dark Energy subplot was real. Drew Karpyshyn wanted that to be the focus of the trilogy. Did you forget all that foreshadowing in ME2?  

Unfortunately, Drew Karpyshyn left the Mass Effect team during Mass Effect 2.

[AlanC9]

Having read the idea he had for the ending, there's no reason to think it would have turned out any better than what we actually did get. But there's a different thread for that.

[jakal66]

what we need is a date of release, by this i don't mean it has to be rushed but we need an ETA as soon as possible,I know it's summer but is it early summer or late?
I'd got to admit the only reason i am replaying this game is due to the MP, otherwise I'm guessing I wouldn't be touching it, not because of the endings but because I want to play my other runs with the EC,what's the point if not.They should at least give us a weapon dlc for single player...free would be great...wink wink!

[MegaSovereign]

M8DMAN wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

LadySayuri wrote...

I'm replaying ME2 and it's pretty disappointing Bioware didn't go through with the dark energy plot. I heard that was the original ending before the script leak last year.

It wasn't. Dark Energy ending is just a rumor.

The Dark Energy subplot was real. Drew Karpyshyn wanted that to be the focus of the trilogy. Did you forget all that foreshadowing in ME2?  

"All that foreshadowing" refers to ONE mission in the series that even brought up the possibility.

Concepts of Control/Destroy and Tech Singularity (synthetics vs organics) were foreshadowed much better.

Modifié par MegaSovereign, 05 juin 2012 - 11:27 .

[RyuujinZERO]

MegaSovereign wrote...

Concepts of Control/Destroy and Tech Singularity (synthetics vs organics) were foreshadowed much better.

Hardly.

In ME1, the Geth were throw-away mooks duped into helping a higher power. There's really no difference between the indoctrinated geth and indcontrinated humans; sapient beings co-opted for the real enemies purpose, not any sign of synthetics Vs organics.

In ME2, the main foe throughout are the collectors; a race of bioengineered ORGANICS. 

In ME3, we finally face off with the Reapers and their abominations, and a wide range of indoctrinated foes, from geth to cerberus. The Reapers themselves are a post-singularity "organic" race (Now existing as cybernetic creatures, neither synthetic nor organic)


That's not organics Vs synthetics at all. That's reapers playing everyone like a puppetmaster.

Modifié par RyuujinZERO, 06 juin 2012 - 12:50 .

[mauro2222]

MegaSovereign wrote...

M8DMAN wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

LadySayuri wrote...

I'm replaying ME2 and it's pretty disappointing Bioware didn't go through with the dark energy plot. I heard that was the original ending before the script leak last year.

It wasn't. Dark Energy ending is just a rumor.

The Dark Energy subplot was real. Drew Karpyshyn wanted that to be the focus of the trilogy. Did you forget all that foreshadowing in ME2?  

"All that foreshadowing" refers to ONE mission in the series that even brought up the possibility.

Concepts of Control/Destroy and Tech Singularity (synthetics vs organics) were foreshadowed much better.

Actually, your wrong.

The dark energy plot goes way beyond Haestrom.
The Human Reaper Larva and all the crap that Harbinger said in ME2 is about the Dark Energy plot. That's why the Collector's base decision and Harbinger itself matter crap in ME3.

Modifié par mauro2222, 06 juin 2012 - 12:59 .

[TheDarkShape]

MegaSovereign wrote...

"All that foreshadowing" refers to ONE mission in the series that even brought up the possibility.

Gianna Parasini has a pretty gratuitous dark energy name-drop, too.

Modifié par TheDarkShape, 06 juin 2012 - 04:06 .

[Shepard108278]

mauro2222 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

M8DMAN wrote...

TMA LIVE wrote...

LadySayuri wrote...

I'm replaying ME2 and it's pretty disappointing Bioware didn't go through with the dark energy plot. I heard that was the original ending before the script leak last year.

It wasn't. Dark Energy ending is just a rumor.

The Dark Energy subplot was real. Drew Karpyshyn wanted that to be the focus of the trilogy. Did you forget all that foreshadowing in ME2?  

"All that foreshadowing" refers to ONE mission in the series that even brought up the possibility.

Concepts of Control/Destroy and Tech Singularity (synthetics vs organics) were foreshadowed much better.

Actually, your wrong.

The dark energy plot goes way beyond Haestrom.
The Human Reaper Larva and all the crap that Harbinger said in ME2 is about the Dark Energy plot. That's why the Collector's base decision and Harbinger itself matter crap in ME3.

I don't agree. This is much better than that IMO.

[AlanC9]

mauro2222 wrote...
The Human Reaper Larva and all the crap that Harbinger said in ME2 is about the Dark Energy plot. That's why the Collector's base decision and Harbinger itself matter crap in ME3.

That's.... quite a leap, considering that there's no mention of dark energy on the Collector base or in any of Harbinger's convos. How did you arrive at this conclusion?

Though MegaSovereign is wrong about Haestrom being the only mention of dark energy. Gianna Parasini also mentions that people are suddenly interested in the subject.

Modifié par AlanC9, 06 juin 2012 - 04:08 .

[TheDarkShape]

You know, something gets me about Harbinger's ME2 monologue that makes me think the dark energy/Reaper-stops-it plot might be real. Harbinger says...

"That which you know as Reapers are your salvation through destruction. You have failed. We will find another way."

Find another way to what? Build a Human-Reaper? That doesn't seem terribly difficult -- just kill more humans (as ME3 indicates with the Citadel corpses). Unless they needed to find another way to somehow stave off dark energy without the Human-Reaper.

[AlanC9]

I thought that meant find another way to invade Citadel space, myself. Which they did.

[Alyrina]

Hmm.

Well when this is released i'll play again and see what that give but I don't think that's good enough to put up to my heavy disapointmed in current ME3 ending.

[TheDarkShape]

AlanC9 wrote...

I thought that meant find another way to invade Citadel space, myself. Which they did.

But Shepard didn't stop them from invading Citadel space by blowing up the Collector base.  (And if Arrival has been played, they're only six months to a year out and know how to get there.)

[Zeldias]

Got no problem with the endings other than Liara's face popping in there. Also would've liked a final face-to-face meeting with my LI if that character is from ME2. Frankly, I'd like the LI to join the team not matter what, but eh.

Also, I found the ending to be somewhat contrived, but I felt they were writing themselves into trouble when I discovered that there were a ton of Reapers, and not just a few. They're overpowering sentient god-machines; of course it's gonna require something silly for victory to be achieved. The dark energy thing probably would've been a better way to go, but I can't imagine it not feeling at least a little bit contrived.

In any case, ME3 feels like a sweet spot was hit. Lots of talking, action feels better,like the leveling and the way gear is handled. The ending was acceptable for me.

[GarethJShep]

I agree with you magnetite, i think they DLC will be good. but bioware also said that the people that wants to reetake mass effect ending wont like the DLC because its not a new ending, the DLC is going to show you the effect of your choices you made in Mass Effect 3 and also bring some closure to our sheps story.

[PJay1985]

From what i have read, the dark energy ending would have been way better, if not epic.
Blue, red and green ending were crap.

Even though i come here from time to time to check when this "saving throw" dlc shall come out. The ending as it is right now is beyond repair and definately killed the Mass effect universe/ genre.

Modifié par PJay1985, 07 juin 2012 - 08:51 .

[WazzuMan]

^ Quite literally in fact because of what happened to the Mass Relays and the galactic community.