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[BeefoTheBold]

Shepard108278 wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

GloryToChaos wrote...

A wise man once said 'If you have to explain the ending, it wasn't a good ending'

Or that they didnt know so many who play this game were so stupid.

A bit harsh but I agree. It was fairly easy to understand IMO and it didn't butcher anything.

Speaking of stupid...

[BeefoTheBold]

Dexi wrote...

InHarmsWay wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Voodoo2015 wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

GloryToChaos wrote...

A wise man once said 'If you have to explain the ending, it wasn't a good ending'

Or that they didnt know so many who play this game were so stupid.

BW / EA did not realize there were so many who have put ME series to his heart. They just wanted to end the series. And then there are some who think they understand the ending, when they don't really. And are afraid to admit it.

I understood the ending but then again I can tie my own shoes and walk and talk.

Then please explain to me Oh Wise One about every plot hole, inconsitency, and character assasination.

Name me one of each, none of which is subject to opinion, subjectivity or stupidity. 

Anyone who does so will get the thread closed due to "spoiler" discussion.

[iSousek]

which makes it convenient for trolls to come here and go " you guys are stupid and don't understand it"

[xbeton0L]

BeefoTheBold wrote...

Dexi wrote...

InHarmsWay wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Voodoo2015 wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

GloryToChaos wrote...

A wise man once said 'If you have to explain the ending, it wasn't a good ending'

Or that they didnt know so many who play this game were so stupid.

BW / EA did not realize there were so many who have put ME series to his heart. They just wanted to end the series. And then there are some who think they understand the ending, when they don't really. And are afraid to admit it.

I understood the ending but then again I can tie my own shoes and walk and talk.

Then please explain to me Oh Wise One about every plot hole, inconsitency, and character assasination.

Name me one of each, none of which is subject to opinion, subjectivity or stupidity. 

Anyone who does so will get the thread closed due to "spoiler" discussion.

I disagreed with the entire thing. You can't improve an ending from a screwed up story.

[infarto]

I think the end is a bit too fast, i have read the indoctrination theory, and real or not,we will see.
But some thing on the game is really weird and make me think maybe the theory is right, i don't need an happy ending, it's very childish to ask for an happy ending, but yes, i like a ending more
"complete". People say "i want my choice count on the game" , but, this is an adult game, very intense, is a story of war, and is a tragic story, and in life and war, sometimes, what you have done count nothing. From ME1 Saren tell that you can't win, on ME2 they tell you can't win, on the comics books they tell you can't win, on ME3 they say you can't win.
Reapers destroy a part of life every 50.000 years, not 5 not 5000... so they have killed
real advanced races before human and others.
I ask myself what game are at level of ME, this game is amazing, and it's a 3d person game, i dont like it, when i see the review i tell myself "ok try it" and the addiction started.
This game is a milestone (for me) i have play the 2 and play much time for save all my team,
and now im plaing the 3 for the second time, next i play for full paragon, but for now im too addicted to the multiplayer with all my Shepard family. This game are so beautiful and the "journey" with it was/is so amazing that i can accept a too fast ending, however dlc is coming
so we only have to wait.

[TheDarkShape]

Flog61 wrote...

And if you like the ending, then its one of two things: either you
played mass effect 3 for a shooter and didn't play the others, or at
least the second, OR you do not understand the concept of thematic
inconsistency.

Ah yes, the "I'm smarter than you, and if you liked it you're an idiot" approach.

[infarto]

I wonder if people protest agains writers and directors for theyr creation...
We don't like the ending, we want other 10 minutes of movie!!! you stole our money XD

[Thanatos144]

iSousek wrote...

which makes it convenient for trolls to come here and go " you guys are stupid and don't understand it"

Wouldnt the trolls be the retards who constantly has to post on here cause they didnt understand something?

[BeefoTheBold]

infarto wrote...

I wonder if people protest agains writers and directors for theyr creation...
We don't like the ending, we want other 10 minutes of movie!!! you stole our money XD

Movie ticket runs you, what? Ten bucks? They take maybe 2-3 hours to watch.

If you've played through the Mass Effect trilogy and bought any DLC you've spent well over $200 minimum and invested hundreds of hours of your life into it.

And more to the point, movies and books don't explicitly promise player agency in the creative process as a selling point. I can't remember a book or a movie ever promising that the customer can make a lot of choices about how the story plays out and see a completely different ending based on those choices.

There are two problems at play with the current ME3 ending:

1. That the ending makes no sense, introduces retconns and plotholes, and fails to explain adequetely what happens to everyone/everything.

2. That the ending completely exposes the marketing of the game as lies and broken promises

Modifié par BeefoTheBold, 13 juin 2012 - 04:34 .

[Thanatos144]

BeefoTheBold wrote...

infarto wrote...

I wonder if people protest agains writers and directors for theyr creation...
We don't like the ending, we want other 10 minutes of movie!!! you stole our money XD

Movie ticket runs you, what? Ten bucks? They take maybe 2-3 hours to watch.

If you've played through the Mass Effect trilogy and bought any DLC you've spent well over $200 minimum and invested hundreds of hours of your life into it.

And more to the point, movies and books don't explicitly promise player agency in the creative process as a selling point. I can't remember a book or a movie ever promising that the customer can make a lot of choices about how the story plays out and see a completely different ending based on those choices.

There are two problems at play with the current ME3 ending:

1. That the ending makes no sense, introduces retconns and plotholes, and fails to explain adequetely what happens to everyone/everything.

2. That the ending completely exposes the marketing of the game as lies and broken promises

Where is it in law that says you have a right to more than they gave you?

[BeefoTheBold]

Thanatos144 wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...

infarto wrote...

I wonder if people protest agains writers and directors for theyr creation...
We don't like the ending, we want other 10 minutes of movie!!! you stole our money XD

Movie ticket runs you, what? Ten bucks? They take maybe 2-3 hours to watch.

If you've played through the Mass Effect trilogy and bought any DLC you've spent well over $200 minimum and invested hundreds of hours of your life into it.

And more to the point, movies and books don't explicitly promise player agency in the creative process as a selling point. I can't remember a book or a movie ever promising that the customer can make a lot of choices about how the story plays out and see a completely different ending based on those choices.

There are two problems at play with the current ME3 ending:

1. That the ending makes no sense, introduces retconns and plotholes, and fails to explain adequetely what happens to everyone/everything.

2. That the ending completely exposes the marketing of the game as lies and broken promises

Where is it in law that says you have a right to more than they gave you?

You're kidding right?

Let's say you are shopping at your local Best Buy and find a new video card that you want to purchase. (Though why anyone would be stupid enough to buy new computer parts from Best Buy and not a place like Newegg we'll set aside for the moment.)

You read the advertising on the box that states what the performance specs of the card are. Based on what that box is promising to give you performance wise, you make an informed decision on whether or not it's worth the purchase price.

If you take it home, install it, and then find out it's only giving you half of the performance that the box promised, do you simply shrug and say, "I don't have a right to more than this."

Of course not. You complain and ask that the video card manufacturer either make things right or refund you your money. Because you bought the card based on what was promised to you.

That's why we have laws against false advertising. Bioware made lots of VERY EXPLICIT promises of what the ME3 game, and what the trilogy itself, would contain. The ending breaks pretty much all of them.

[xbeton0L]

Honestly, it's times like this I've often contemplated the plausibility that, given the opportunity and time, fans are clearly more capable and committed to making better games than full-on developer studios.

Yes. Ego rivalry. Why not?

Modifié par xbeton0L, 13 juin 2012 - 04:50 .

[Reorte]

infarto wrote...
it's very childish to ask for an happy ending.

Why?

[Thanatos144]

BeefoTheBold wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...

infarto wrote...

I wonder if people protest agains writers and directors for theyr creation...
We don't like the ending, we want other 10 minutes of movie!!! you stole our money XD

Movie ticket runs you, what? Ten bucks? They take maybe 2-3 hours to watch.

If you've played through the Mass Effect trilogy and bought any DLC you've spent well over $200 minimum and invested hundreds of hours of your life into it.

And more to the point, movies and books don't explicitly promise player agency in the creative process as a selling point. I can't remember a book or a movie ever promising that the customer can make a lot of choices about how the story plays out and see a completely different ending based on those choices.

There are two problems at play with the current ME3 ending:

1. That the ending makes no sense, introduces retconns and plotholes, and fails to explain adequetely what happens to everyone/everything.

2. That the ending completely exposes the marketing of the game as lies and broken promises

Where is it in law that says you have a right to more than they gave you?

You're kidding right?

Let's say you are shopping at your local Best Buy and find a new video card that you want to purchase. (Though why anyone would be stupid enough to buy new computer parts from Best Buy and not a place like Newegg we'll set aside for the moment.)

You read the advertising on the box that states what the performance specs of the card are. Based on what that box is promising to give you performance wise, you make an informed decision on whether or not it's worth the purchase price.

If you take it home, install it, and then find out it's only giving you half of the performance that the box promised, do you simply shrug and say, "I don't have a right to more than this."

Of course not. You complain and ask that the video card manufacturer either make things right or refund you your money. Because you bought the card based on what was promised to you.

That's why we have laws against false advertising. Bioware made lots of VERY EXPLICIT promises of what the ME3 game, and what the trilogy itself, would contain. The ending breaks pretty much all of them.

You got what was advertised . A game. Was it not a game? Was it a pony?

[BeefoTheBold]

Thanatos144 wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...

infarto wrote...

I wonder if people protest agains writers and directors for theyr creation...
We don't like the ending, we want other 10 minutes of movie!!! you stole our money XD

Movie ticket runs you, what? Ten bucks? They take maybe 2-3 hours to watch.

If you've played through the Mass Effect trilogy and bought any DLC you've spent well over $200 minimum and invested hundreds of hours of your life into it.

And more to the point, movies and books don't explicitly promise player agency in the creative process as a selling point. I can't remember a book or a movie ever promising that the customer can make a lot of choices about how the story plays out and see a completely different ending based on those choices.

There are two problems at play with the current ME3 ending:

1. That the ending makes no sense, introduces retconns and plotholes, and fails to explain adequetely what happens to everyone/everything.

2. That the ending completely exposes the marketing of the game as lies and broken promises

Where is it in law that says you have a right to more than they gave you?

You're kidding right?

Let's say you are shopping at your local Best Buy and find a new video card that you want to purchase. (Though why anyone would be stupid enough to buy new computer parts from Best Buy and not a place like Newegg we'll set aside for the moment.)

You read the advertising on the box that states what the performance specs of the card are. Based on what that box is promising to give you performance wise, you make an informed decision on whether or not it's worth the purchase price.

If you take it home, install it, and then find out it's only giving you half of the performance that the box promised, do you simply shrug and say, "I don't have a right to more than this."

Of course not. You complain and ask that the video card manufacturer either make things right or refund you your money. Because you bought the card based on what was promised to you.

That's why we have laws against false advertising. Bioware made lots of VERY EXPLICIT promises of what the ME3 game, and what the trilogy itself, would contain. The ending breaks pretty much all of them.

You got what was advertised . A game. Was it not a game? Was it a pony?

By that logic the performance of the video card in my analogy is irrelevant if it's a video card and not a heat sink.

What was advertised was not just a game. The game's advertising promised specific things, just like the box of the video card promised a certain level of performance.

[infarto]

BeefoTheBold wrote...

infarto wrote...

I wonder if people protest agains writers and directors for theyr creation...
We don't like the ending, we want other 10 minutes of movie!!! you stole our money XD

Movie ticket runs you, what? Ten bucks? They take maybe 2-3 hours to watch.

If you've played through the Mass Effect trilogy and bought any DLC you've spent well over $200 minimum and invested hundreds of hours of your life into it.

And more to the point, movies and books don't explicitly promise player agency in the creative process as a selling point. I can't remember a book or a movie ever promising that the customer can make a lot of choices about how the story plays out and see a completely different ending based on those choices.

There are two problems at play with the current ME3 ending:

1. That the ending makes no sense, introduces retconns and plotholes, and fails to explain adequetely what happens to everyone/everything.

2. That the ending completely exposes the marketing of the game as lies and broken promises

i agree with you with the promises they tell, but, movie cost less than a games, but you know ho many movies give you good trailers and when you see the movie is not good. And we spent much money but for enjoy, because i really enjoy all the hours with this game, wish now to enjoy the dlc and not to see people rage more

[TheDarkShape]

BeefoTheBold wrote...

And more to the point, movies and books don't explicitly promise player agency in the creative process as a selling point. I can't remember a book or a movie ever promising that the customer can make a lot of choices about how the story plays out and see a completely different ending based on those choices.

Of course, you're ignoring the fact that the game does take your choices into account.  Saved Wrex in Mass Effect?  It affects your EMS.  Played ME2 a certain way?  No Quarian/Geth peace, thus affecting your EMS.  All building up for the climax deciding which ending choices you receive and which variations on those play out.

I'm not defending the choices, but your previous playthroughs DO have an impact on the ending.

[BeefoTheBold]

infarto wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...

infarto wrote...

I wonder if people protest agains writers and directors for theyr creation...
We don't like the ending, we want other 10 minutes of movie!!! you stole our money XD

Movie ticket runs you, what? Ten bucks? They take maybe 2-3 hours to watch.

If you've played through the Mass Effect trilogy and bought any DLC you've spent well over $200 minimum and invested hundreds of hours of your life into it.

And more to the point, movies and books don't explicitly promise player agency in the creative process as a selling point. I can't remember a book or a movie ever promising that the customer can make a lot of choices about how the story plays out and see a completely different ending based on those choices.

There are two problems at play with the current ME3 ending:

1. That the ending makes no sense, introduces retconns and plotholes, and fails to explain adequetely what happens to everyone/everything.

2. That the ending completely exposes the marketing of the game as lies and broken promises

i agree with you with the promises they tell, but, movie cost less than a games, but you know ho many movies give you good trailers and when you see the movie is not good. And we spent much money but for enjoy, because i really enjoy all the hours with this game, wish now to enjoy the dlc and not to see people rage more

I was basically making two main points...that there's a scale difference between when a movie turns out to be subpar and when the end of a game trilogy does. If you go to a movie and don't like it, you're out about $10 and two hours of your life.

And my second point is that you're comparing apples and oranges. Movies and books aren't intended to be active experiences. Mass Effect was intended to be an active experience shaped by the players. In particular, we were promised for many years now that our choices in the games would have profound and big impacts on how the story ended.

I'm happy for you that you're eager to see more DLC and move on. Seriously, if you're ready for more Mass Effect DLC and don't care about the ending anymore, then more power to you. For the majority of others, the ending makes it impossible to look forward to any DLC or more Mass Effect.

[abaris]

TheDarkShape wrote...

Of course, you're ignoring the fact that the game does take your choices into account.  Saved Wrex in Mass Effect?  It affects your EMS.  Played ME2 a certain way?  No Quarian/Geth peace, thus affecting your EMS. 

In short, it effects your game on a number crunching level. It hardly effects your gaming experience since every major figure is simply replaced by their Doppelgangers should they have died.

[BeefoTheBold]

TheDarkShape wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...

And more to the point, movies and books don't explicitly promise player agency in the creative process as a selling point. I can't remember a book or a movie ever promising that the customer can make a lot of choices about how the story plays out and see a completely different ending based on those choices.

Of course, you're ignoring the fact that the game does take your choices into account.  Saved Wrex in Mass Effect?  It affects your EMS.  Played ME2 a certain way?  No Quarian/Geth peace, thus affecting your EMS.  All building up for the climax deciding which ending choices you receive and which variations on those play out.

I'm not defending the choices, but your previous playthroughs DO have an impact on the ending.

Technically true. They have a VERY MINOR impact on the ending, but nowhere close to the level of what we were said they'd have.

[TheDarkShape]

BeefoTheBold wrote...

TheDarkShape wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...

And more to the point, movies and books don't explicitly promise player agency in the creative process as a selling point. I can't remember a book or a movie ever promising that the customer can make a lot of choices about how the story plays out and see a completely different ending based on those choices.

Of course, you're ignoring the fact that the game does take your choices into account.  Saved Wrex in Mass Effect?  It affects your EMS.  Played ME2 a certain way?  No Quarian/Geth peace, thus affecting your EMS.  All building up for the climax deciding which ending choices you receive and which variations on those play out.

I'm not defending the choices, but your previous playthroughs DO have an impact on the ending.

Technically true. They have a VERY MINOR impact on the ending, but nowhere close to the level of what we were said they'd have.

Well, now we're getting into the semantics of what a 'major impact' is.  Without high enough EMS, you're locked into either Destroy or Control.  After unlocking both, you're still locked out of Synthesis without the right numbers.

Again, not defending the choices as presented, just that playthroughs affect the ending.  Play a certain way and choose Destroy and everything goes to hell.  Play another way and choose Destroy and everyone comes out of it alive.

Modifié par TheDarkShape, 13 juin 2012 - 05:21 .

[BeefoTheBold]

TheDarkShape wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...

TheDarkShape wrote...

BeefoTheBold wrote...

And more to the point, movies and books don't explicitly promise player agency in the creative process as a selling point. I can't remember a book or a movie ever promising that the customer can make a lot of choices about how the story plays out and see a completely different ending based on those choices.

Of course, you're ignoring the fact that the game does take your choices into account.  Saved Wrex in Mass Effect?  It affects your EMS.  Played ME2 a certain way?  No Quarian/Geth peace, thus affecting your EMS.  All building up for the climax deciding which ending choices you receive and which variations on those play out.

I'm not defending the choices, but your previous playthroughs DO have an impact on the ending.

Technically true. They have a VERY MINOR impact on the ending, but nowhere close to the level of what we were said they'd have.

Well, now we're getting into the semantics of what a 'major impact' is.  Without high enough EMS, you're locked into either Destroy or Control.  After unlocking both, you're still locked out of Synthesis without the right numbers.

Again, not defending the choices as presented, just that playthroughs affect the ending.  Play a certain way and choose Destroy and everything goes to hell.  Play another way and choose Destroy and everyone comes out of it alive.

Not without destroying the existing lore that says blowing up a Mass Relay destroys an entire solar system they don't.

[Thanatos144]

BeefoTheBold wrote...



By that logic the performance of the video card in my analogy is irrelevant if it's a video card and not a heat sink.

What was advertised was not just a game. The game's advertising promised specific things, just like the box of the video card promised a certain level of performance.

Now your just acting the child cause you Assumed something. They didnt
give you a A B C ending they gave you three choices. That is just the
conclusion of the game....What about how many stories they ended in this
one game? They gave more then enough endings you are just mad cause
you dont like the idea that it ends in a way you didn't foresee or couldn't
understand.

Modifié par Thanatos144, 13 juin 2012 - 05:31 .