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[Persephone]

I wonder:

Aren't ending VARIATIONS still possible? Based on decisions and EWS?

Say certain cutscenes etc. only fire if you did X, thus affecting the epilogue you'll get?

That means that whatever was already there remains intact, clarifications are added and ending variables are included.

Everybody wins?

[Amioran]

BrotherWarth wrote...
It's the end of this story. The end of the story the entire trilogy was about. And in 2 of the 3 endings Shepard is dead no matter what. It's the end of the trilogy and Shepard. Why wouldn't I view it as an ending? You're grasping at straws to defend Bioware's stupid decisions.

So Mass Effect it's just about Shepard, is this how you see it? Sorry but I don't agree at all. Shepard is just a protagonist that can die or go in the background, it doesn't matter, when you talk about the "ending" in this case the protagonist is only a part of the whole, not all of it.

As with the church if a pope dies it doesn't mean that the church will end, also if the pope is a cardinal figure in the church. Until the base doesn't crumble the apex can do it as much as it likes.

Modifié par Amioran, 05 avril 2012 - 05:15 .

[TheNevincer]

We are to Bioware as the dehyrdrated man was to the noble that handed him vinegar.

[Persephone]

I-AM-KROGAN wrote...

i dont get you guys. You whine that the ending needs more closure and then they add some, yet your still pissed. Its odd.

It's the BSN. Even a free DLC isn't enough.

[TheCrazyHobo]

Dear Bioware:

As a loyal customer of yours, I must say you have lost my trust in your creative abilities due to Mass Effect 3.  For all the hype you genereated and the great anticipation I had prior to Mass Effect 3, I must say I was let down at the end.  Now it's not abnormal for some people to dislike an ending to a game, you can never please everyone with your product, however, after the game's ending I can not even pick up the game again.  It was not Mass Effect and it was obivisouly so very faulty I do not even know where to start.  Now, to earn back my trust, do not rush this DLC, make it epic, I can wait.  Please do not build off of the direction the current endings are facing...please..

[PrimalGecko]

Bioware just doesn't get it. They have one of the most amazing stories going up to the last 10 minutes of the game (ME3) and they changed the whole game in the name of "artistic vision". The thing is, that is not artistic vision, that is someone thinking they are cool by introducing a whole new story, changing the protagonist to the ghost-child and giving you three choices (regardless of previous choices throughout the games) that carry no personal meaning to the outcome of the story whatsoever. Story writers do not write this way and I would expect that Bioware wouldn't have done this either, but they did. Bioware had a chance to fix this mess, and they choose not to instead falling back on their "artistic vision" stance which is a crock. It's pretty apparent that they do not have the interests of their customers/fans in mind when developing games.

[cyniel]

El_Chala_Legalizado wrote...

"An official press release went out today announcing how we are re-prioritizing the Mass Effect 3 post release content"
Awww
I hope this doesn't mean that we wont have any kind of dlc for the next months. Need more missions... And MP maps.

I'm sure that we will have other DLCs before this one comes out, especially if they still want people to play the game long enough till summer.

[LinksOcarina]

Persephone wrote...

I-AM-KROGAN wrote...

i dont get you guys. You whine that the ending needs more closure and then they add some, yet your still pissed. Its odd.

It's the BSN. Even a free DLC isn't enough.

This is also why most of the journalism industry calls them entitled.

I have avoided that as much as possible, but I see it now clearly...and its pathetic.

[underwatercartooncat]

LinksOcarina wrote...

underwatercartooncat wrote...

Oransel wrote...

Bioware is a business. Business means there are 2 sides. One side gives money to other, which in turn provides service to first. If service is unsatisfactory, no money will be paid = service company will go bankrupt and hungry. Consumer is always right.

True. They can keep their artistic integrity. And i can keep my money...and spend it to products of other companies, where spoiled low life developers with no self-esteem  producing products I am satisfied with:)

So...you won't buy games anymore?

I had Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter's Nights, KOTOR, Jade Empire, Dragon Age, Mass Effect, SWTOR.  Every Bioware product I found in the last 15 years. Lately I bought them in advance in digital deluxe or collector's edition.  Now I unsubscried SWTOR (because of Mass Effect, yes) and do not plan to buy Bioware products. If I will, no way will I give them bianco check with pre-order. It took years to me to decide to go for pre-orders,  and my decision was built on the trust. No it is lost. 

Modifié par underwatercartooncat, 05 avril 2012 - 05:18 .

[Soul Spector]

There is nothing to clairfy, the ending sucked we already know that.

[JasmoVT]

Estelindis wrote...

Kargsure wrote...

Any good market researcher will tell you that the polls that have been done (and not just on BSN btw) show that this isn't just a vocal minority.  Speaking to someone that works for a Market Research company I was informed that assuming 1.5 million copies of the game were sold then a poll only requires a sample size of just 750 people to reflect the whole.  I would think that a poll with over 10,000 responses more than covers the 750.  In addition webpolls are considered to have a 20% margin of error.

From this, and a poll where over 90% of people said they disliked the ending - we can extrapolate that over 70% of people that bought the game disliked the ending - hardly a minority.  

Thank you for this post.  It was very educational!

However, I wonder how poll analysis accounts for the fact that the BSN most likely consists of players who are more fervant than the average player?

Sorry Kargsure but you are missing an important concept. The kind of sample size data you are quoting assumes a random polling drawn from all registered game users. (Closer to 3 million than 1.5 by the way) A voluntary poll or a poll limited to a certain group active on a given site is absolutely meaningless. So far I have seen no polls drawn randomly from all owners and most polls I have seen are biased in the structuring of the questions.

I am making no conclusion about how unhappy fans are, I am saying the data we have proves nothing one way or another.

[BerzerkGene]

While this is only speculation as i have not see what you're putting out there, Bioware. Artistic integrity...has become an extremely overused defense, seriously, stop saying that.
You have said you're going to fix 2 out of the 3 biggest issues with the ending, bravo, hope you do well. The third is what is wrong in my, and many other people's opinions. The fact there is very little narrative coherence at the end. You can clarify and get us as much closure as you can, but if the ending still makes no freaking sense, we will not be happy, and will continue to hold the line.
PS. Don't half arse anything!

[SirPetrakus]

Amioran wrote...

SirPetrakus wrote...
Sorry for cutting your post sort, but it really was rather long. I give you 3/10 for making laugh. Good show.

When you will reply something than maybe I could either take you seriously, till then, you can laugh as much as you want, it will only make you look as a fool.

Buddy, you got me wrong! I'm 100% right there, with you. People who complain about plot holes are too dumb to understand they are FEATURES! I mean, how dense can you get? People wanting consistensy and good writing. Pffft!

[Persephone]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Persephone wrote...

I-AM-KROGAN wrote...

i dont get you guys. You whine that the ending needs more closure and then they add some, yet your still pissed. Its odd.

It's the BSN. Even a free DLC isn't enough.

This is also why most of the journalism industry calls them entitled.

I have avoided that as much as possible, but I see it now clearly...and its pathetic.

I understand being wary. Even the suspicion.

But the flat out REFUSAL to at least give this DLC a chance....

WOW.

[cyniel]

Amioran wrote...

BrotherWarth wrote...

That blog post clearly states that we're stuck with the current idiotic endings. We're just getting additional scenes to add "clarity." What cutscene could fill in all those plotholes and make up for the fact that the entire ending is stupid?

Maybe the fact that what you call the "ending" is not an ending at all? Ending of what?

But perhaps if you can read a little between the lines:

"For many of you the "Extended Cut" will help answer some questions and give closure to this chapter of the Mass Effect story..."

"BioWare strongly believes in the team's artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise..."

"...will offer extended scenes that provide additional context and deeper insight to the conclusion of Commander Shepard's journey"

It wasn't so difficult to understand either before (did perhaps Hawke ring a bell?), but, well...

So all people here expect an ending that's not an ending to be changed. For what?

I agree with you. Mass Effect went from being a trilogy that it was originally intended to be to being a franchise. It's good to put my Shepard to rest after she has gone through so much in the games.

[uh-oh0331]

not too thrilled about this...I appreciate it but im not holding my breath or expecting much from the EC. I cant believe that we are still only getting 3 options... what a crock.

Im not surprised that they released this statement today since the PAX panel convenes tomorrow. Everyone should see what they are doing...they are trying to calm down the fan base so that the Bioware employees dont get their heads put on spikes.

Oh and Bioware just so you know if this DLC doesnt totally blow me away, Im done buying your watered down games all together. You've fooled me twice now I wont be fooled a 3rd time, no more pre orders from me.

[Sharn01]

I will wait and see, but it looks like I will soon no longer be a bioware customer and all of you will no longer be bothered by my presence on the forums.

[OdanUrr]

Altered Idol wrote...

Because pre-ending DLC would become part of the main story and thus would have happened before the Grandfather scene. 

It would be even more nonsensical than what we have now if we got another scene with the grandfather says "About that other Shepard story...well it happens during the events of the first story I just decided not to tell you about it then"

Everything happened before the Stargazer scene. The "grandfather" could have simply omitted certain side stories around the same time that weren't crucial to understanding the main story (in other words, DLC).

[Malice1979]

Well Bioware did listen I guess but sadly they only heard what they wanted to hear.

[LinksOcarina]

underwatercartooncat wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

underwatercartooncat wrote...

Oransel wrote...

Bioware is a business. Business means there are 2 sides. One side gives money to other, which in turn provides service to first. If service is unsatisfactory, no money will be paid = service company will go bankrupt and hungry. Consumer is always right.

True. They can keep their artistic integrity. And i can keep my money...and spend it to products of other companies, where spoiled low life developers with no self-esteem  producing products I am satisfied with:)

So...you won't buy games anymore?

I had Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter's Nights, KOTOR, Jade Empire, Dragon Age, Mass Effect, SWTOR.  Every Bioware product I found in the last 15 years. Lately I bought them in advance in digital deluxe or collector's edition.  Now I unsubscried SWTOR (because of Mass Effect, yes) and do not plan to buy Bioware products. If I will, no way will I give them bianco check with pre-order. It took years to me to decide to go for pre-orders,  and my decision was built on the trust. No it is lost. 

I was making a sarcastic reply to what you said because of the stigma of most developers are social introverts and spoiled manchildren.

Which is not true of course, hence sarcasm.

[Altered Idol]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Persephone wrote...

I-AM-KROGAN wrote...

i dont get you guys. You whine that the ending needs more closure and then they add some, yet your still pissed. Its odd.

It's the BSN. Even a free DLC isn't enough.

This is also why most of the journalism industry calls them entitled.

I have avoided that as much as possible, but I see it now clearly...and its pathetic.

Just because something is free doesn't mean its the best thing ever or some revolutionary thing that should have us flocking back to Bioware. A kick to the nuts is free but I don't want it and wouldn't thank whoever kicked me.

By the few details so far, the DLC might be free but does little to address the majority of concerns of fans, namely the inane nonsense that was the ending. Clarification of rubbish will still give you rubbish.

[Accism]

What really gets to me is the tone of this announcement. They're so smug and self-satisfied about not changing the endings, almost as if we're at fault for not "getting" their genius. Who knows, maybe that's true, but you don't say it out loud to the core passionate fanbase of your games. We get that you're not going to really fix the ending, that's your decision to make, but there's no point in insulting us too 

[Persephone]

BrotherWarth wrote...

Persephone wrote...

I-AM-KROGAN wrote...

i dont get you guys. You whine that the ending needs more closure and then they add some, yet your still pissed. Its odd.

It's the BSN. Even a free DLC isn't enough.

NO ONE was saying "These endings sucked! We need some clarification on some of the details and we'll be happy."
We want new endings that make sense and don't **** all over the franchise.

Untrue. MANY people actually said that.

And YOU don't speak for everyone. I am sick of the entire "We" nonsense.