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[zoompooky]

I'm really not sure why anyone ever expected them to actually change the ending.

They won't change it for the same reason they insist that you can't skip the cinematics...

[Haristo]

I'm fine with that as long as it makes the endings more different, with more closure.

[GarethJShep]

i agree with you , magnetite and well said.

Modifié par Garethj17, 05 avril 2012 - 05:22 .

[Persephone]

Altered Idol wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Persephone wrote...

I-AM-KROGAN wrote...

i dont get you guys. You whine that the ending needs more closure and then they add some, yet your still pissed. Its odd.

It's the BSN. Even a free DLC isn't enough.

This is also why most of the journalism industry calls them entitled.

I have avoided that as much as possible, but I see it now clearly...and its pathetic.

Just because something is free doesn't mean its the best thing ever or some revolutionary thing that should have us flocking back to Bioware. A kick to the nuts is free but I don't want it and wouldn't thank whoever kicked me.

By the few details so far, the DLC might be free but does little to address the majority of concerns of fans, namely the inane nonsense that was the ending. Clarification of rubbish will still give you rubbish.

All SPECULATION, no facts.

[LinksOcarina]

Altered Idol wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

Persephone wrote...

I-AM-KROGAN wrote...

i dont get you guys. You whine that the ending needs more closure and then they add some, yet your still pissed. Its odd.

It's the BSN. Even a free DLC isn't enough.

This is also why most of the journalism industry calls them entitled.

I have avoided that as much as possible, but I see it now clearly...and its pathetic.

Just because something is free doesn't mean its the best thing ever or some revolutionary thing that should have us flocking back to Bioware. A kick to the nuts is free but I don't want it and wouldn't thank whoever kicked me.

By the few details so far, the DLC might be free but does little to address the majority of concerns of fans, namely the inane nonsense that was the ending. Clarification of rubbish will still give you rubbish.

No, but it also doesn't mean you should instantly **** down it's neck either.

that is what I take issue with. 

[zoompooky]

magnetite wrote...

Everyone saying that they're going to boycott things and never buy another game from Bioware. That's just customers being manipulative and trying to get Bioware to do what the customer wants. I've worked in customer service for 13 years and I will tell you the customer isn't always right.

I feel there's a lot of people who feel that they are entitled to whatever ending they wish, and they will rant and rave until they get what they want. Again, being manipulative. This was Bioware's choice to give us an extended ending. You guys should be thankful they even decided to do it. They could have just left it with the current ending and said that's that. .

10 more minutes of fail is still a fail.

Our mission was to save the galaxy.  Thanks to BioWare, that's impossible to do.  Shepard failed - that's the legacy.

Modifié par zoompooky, 05 avril 2012 - 05:21 .

[bandfred]

No amount of "expanding" will wipe away the blight caused by that postnatal abortion, the Starkid.

[FRANCESCO84Inn]

where is my little blue baby ?

i need happy anding for Shepard and Liara.

[Mylia Stenetch]

Accism wrote...

What really gets to me is the tone of this announcement. They're so smug and self-satisfied about not changing the endings, almost as if we're at fault for not "getting" their genius. Who knows, maybe that's true, but you don't say it out loud to the core passionate fanbase of your games. We get that you're not going to really fix the ending, that's your decision to make, but there's no point in insulting us too 

I never knew that words on a computer screen give you the idea of smug attitudes. What they did for the fans is huge, sometimes you need to learn to comprimise and accecpt the middle of the road. (akin to the recent blog from Forbes).

[Siansonea]

BioWare is in for a rude awakening, I think. I doubt their next game will perform as well as past releases, especially if that game is Dragon Age 3. With all the backlash against Dragone Age 2 and Mass Effect 3, I imagine their opening-weekend receipts won't be breaking any records. And really, that's the only way any of us can express our dissatisfaction with them that they will really understand. Take away that groundswell of financial support, and you had better believe their attitude toward their customer will change.

The important thing to take away from all of this is to manage our expectations, be a wise consumer, and to flat-out IGNORE anything that comes out in the press in an attempt to hype their games. Marketing exists to make empty promises to move product, NOT to create satisfied customers. Don't believe them. They've fooled us not once, but multiple times, and we've given them second chance after second chance. Let's not do it again. If BioWare wants our money, let's make them WORK for it. Don't let them sell you another game that is just a moneymaker for them and a letdown for you. If you want to hold a line, hold that line. Be a wise consumer. Don't believe what Marketing tells you. Listen to your peers, let others take those first steps into those upcoming games, wait for the feedback, and if it's lukewarm or cold, buy a used copy of the game if you still must play it. Or skip it altogether if you can. Only when their shortcuts have real financial consequences will this or any other company realize that the status quo won't cut it anymore.

Modifié par Siansonea II, 05 avril 2012 - 05:23 .

[Persephone]

I'll ask THIS again:

Aren't ending VARIATIONS still possible? Based on decisions and EWS?

Say certain cutscenes etc. only fire if you did X, thus affecting the epilogue you'll get?

That means that whatever was already there remains intact, clarifications are added and ending variables are included.

Everybody wins?

[Altered Idol]

OdanUrr wrote...

Altered Idol wrote...

Because pre-ending DLC would become part of the main story and thus would have happened before the Grandfather scene. 

It would be even more nonsensical than what we have now if we got another scene with the grandfather says "About that other Shepard story...well it happens during the events of the first story I just decided not to tell you about it then"

Everything happened before the Stargazer scene. The "grandfather" could have simply omitted certain side stories around the same time that weren't crucial to understanding the main story (in other words, DLC).

As I say, that would be stupid as it would be pointless. Think about it, what would be the point. The galaxy can only end up in ruins so it wouldn't have any significance. If it was an important part of the story, it would have been told already. If it wasnt all that important, it wouldn't matter as the outcome of the series is always cast in red,blue or green stone and thus it isn't really worth telling.

[DarkSideZin]

[Piracy advocation removed]

Modifié par John Epler, 05 avril 2012 - 05:25 .

[AlexBackpacker]

Even though it may not be what the Retake movement asked for, it still is something.
So instead to keep on nagging I'll consider this as a (small) victory in beeing heard.
Now one of you might come along and say "Dude, it's not a victory at all! We still got endings that are sh*t, but now someone's explaining us how to drop a duce and how to deal with it."

I dont think so.
Getting a big one like EA to releasing additional content to an ending they believe to be intact is at least SOMETHING!
So Im glad it went this way

[yuncas]

There's that artistic integrity line again. Like internet herpes. Just when you think it's gone...

So magichitlerspacebaby is staying, along with his (incredibly)dubious motivations, and all the plot shenanigans associated with him. Perfect! I think that's what EVERYONE was hoping for. Wonderful. Perfection. Masterstroke Bioware. Well done. And it's free?!?!?!? Oh baby you know you spoil me.

[aries1001]

The 'yes, we're listening speak' is just that 'Bioware are listening'. Like Bioware has always done from its start in 1995. However, while Bioware may listen to the fans, the fans do not always get what they want.

It is sort of like a teacher where the students want one thing and the teacher will listen to the what the students want, but also know that wish a and b can't ve fulfillfed now, because the curriculum demands something else right now, but wish c and d can, and maybe e and f, and g and h and i, if the teacher does this or that.

With this above analogy I'm trying to say that like students we can get ask for what we want, but maybe the teacher aka Bioware in this instance isn't always ready to give us what we want. Being listened to it does not mean that Bioware need or should give us what we want. And want the fans want are many different things - just like students in class want many different things. And the teacher aka Bioware needs to say yes, no or maybe to what the students want based on many things as well, most importantly where the company - or the curriculum - is leading the course - or the game.

A final note (this time):

Many of you have likened the ME3 game to that of the renaissance painters who got commissioned to
make a painting, but there's a difference here. It is not us, the fans, who have commissioned Bioware to make the game, ME3, it is, in effect EA that has commissioned Bioware to make the ME3 game - at least when it comes to the money side of things. EA funds Bioware games now and as such, no matter how much we, the fans protest and don't like it, has a substantial? say over what Bioware does when it comes to making games. At least when it comes to the frames around the games, Bioware seems to be allowed to be making the games they want to make as of now. And as long as Bioware games sell well enough this'll continue. The undertone here is , ofcourse, that when Bioware does not sell enough games, well, then, you get the picture, I hope...

edit:

To be clear:

Bioware has made game, the ending left people confused and bewildered. Many or most people asking for clarifications and explanations. These people will not get this in the no charge free dlc. The different endings (a,b or c or door # 1, 2 and 3) people demand changed, I fear, will be left disappointed as Bioware's take on this is that they won't change the endings to the game. As for Deus EX:HR devs making excuses and apologizing for the ending and the boss fights, it was because the dev team originally didn't want boss fights at all and probably more or less were dictated the ending by the publisher?

Modifié par aries1001, 05 avril 2012 - 05:30 .

[Mylia Stenetch]

LinksOcarina wrote...

No, but it also doesn't mean you should instantly **** down it's neck either.

that is what I take issue with. 

Yeah this should not be done. What they did was a kind jesture, we should wait and see what this will bring. Also now you are letting the gaming journalists your advocated were lieing about you the fuel to prove otherwise. You are painting a damning picture of the "movement" and pushing the stigma of gamers.

This is also after I read the blog from Forbes, which has been herald by being true the entire time. Now that his opinion is different from your you do the exact same thing, that shows that you are falling into the entitlement range.

[OdanUrr]

Persephone wrote...

I am sick of the entire "We" nonsense.

That makes two of us.