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[riddick14015]

people please...we still have a hope....maybe they give us yellow color ending

[Oransel]

magnetite wrote...

This was Bioware's choice to give us an extended ending. You guys should be thankful they even decided to do it. They could have just left it with the current ending and said that's that. .

Sorry, but you are wrong. The relationship between consumer and producer is always 2 sided, you should know that. Bioware is obliged to listen to us and do what we want if they want our hard work earned money.

[Mylia Stenetch]

OdanUrr wrote...

Persephone wrote...

I am sick of the entire "We" nonsense.

That makes two of us.

Three now.

[Takamori The Templar]

Jesus Christ even receiving the Golden Poo, they insist with the "artistic view".
Idiots.

[Enad]

Good news. Happy to hear they are doing SOMETHING.

If only they changed the ending so the Relays didn't get destroyed, I would be happy with that.

But I'm satisfied with what we're getting. Hopefully it's good. Hope it's out soon aswell.

[venom56321489]

I appreciate bioware giving us a straight answer but I am very skeptical. To play this game repeatedly like the others I would need an ending that has different outcomes. The clarity will help the horrible ending you stand behind but will still leave replay value to one time only. Artistic Integrity will not pay the bills or increase profit of future games. I believe Bioware made an effort but it isnt good enough and if I was Bioware I would hold off on future products, dont believe they will have the support or customers they had prior to March 6th.

[Noelemahc]

I-AM-KROGAN wrote...

i dont get you guys. You whine that the ending needs more closure and then they add some, yet your still pissed. Its odd.

The phrasing makes it clear that:

1. The Deus Ex Machina stays. That means most of the plot of ME1 will still clash with the ending of ME3.
2. They handle this like they are doing a favor to what they think is the minority. Staying true to the promise that Shepard's decisions affect the ending in a DIVERSE AND SATISFYING WAY should not be a favor, it should be part of the much-maligned "integrity".
3. The relays are still gone. That means that even if ME4, should it ever arrive, will import Shepard's decisions, they will either be wallpapered over like some DAO decisions were in DAOA and DA2, or they will be ignored, like the transition from Monkey Island 2's ending to Monkey Island 3's beginning, to adhere to some sort of specific sequel-friendly canon. Much like they did with The Old Republic. There it made sense, because they were building an MMO, and Revan's decisions would cleave the narrative into four sickeningly diverse universes. The fact that most everyone who fought with Shepard or remembers him/her is either dead or landlocked without interstellar travel capability eases the job for the writing team... and ruins continuity for the fans.
4. They think this will not have negative consequences for them, both immediate and long-term. It will, and right now, NOBODY can accurately predict them. They might end up like Bullfrog (death by EA), or Looking Glass (death by EA), or Origin (the company, not the malware, also death by EA), or Ion Storm (Deus Ex and Anachronox were good, but problematic, and they could not save the company from the monstrosity that was Daikatana), or Interplay (hilariously enough, it started out as EA's underling, but then became its own company, then, after enjoying a huge life in fame, promptly  and suddenly and violently died over stupid business decisions).

[ParagonX30]

Oransel wrote...

Well, the problem is fundamental. These guys from EA/Bioware do really believe that we have no right to demand anything from them. They believe we are like horses in the stable which should eat what they give to us. They believe themselves to be superior to us in this 2 way producer - customer relationship. It is so disrespecting, arrogant and just plain petty... Good thing, though, is that we can still fight them. They have lost sense of reality? They will get it back when their stock will go down, noone will buy their games, noone will preorder or buy DLC. They will go hungry on the streets, but it will be too late.

I really hope, though, that our guys will tell Bioware what we think on PAX. Under the camera they will have to respond.

The problem is, that the "Gamer" in the past, wasn't taken seriously anyway. Just look at all these marketing campaigns for games. Developer walkthroughs and interviews and bla bla bla. They promise you the world and since gamers are "uncritical nerds" all their promises are not put under serious scrutiny anyway (the producers believe that). But, suddenly things changed. That's not what happened with ME3. And that's exactly why it's getting so much attention. Even in Media like Forbes.

A car company can not promise their cars can fly and get away with that. Why? Because it's a serious industry, with serious consumers. An industry which has quality standards. Heck, most industries have quality standards. What about the videogame industry? Are there really any standards, protecting consumers, so that companies don't lie so nonchalantly in all their video blogs and marketing campaings?? I don't think so.

[Fezztheeelite2]

God... I hate it when I am lied too. Bioware, you are a failure. this proves it.

[OdanUrr]

Altered Idol wrote...

As I say, that would be stupid as it would be pointless. Think about it, what would be the point. The galaxy can only end up in ruins so it wouldn't have any significance. If it was an important part of the story, it would have been told already. If it wasnt all that important, it wouldn't matter as the outcome of the series is always cast in red,blue or green stone and thus it isn't really worth telling.

I never said it was smart. Now let me ask you, forget whether the endings are good or bad, what's the point of having any DLC if this is the last game of Shepard's story?

[cyniel]

Oransel wrote...

magnetite wrote...

This was Bioware's choice to give us an extended ending. You guys should be thankful they even decided to do it. They could have just left it with the current ending and said that's that. .

Sorry, but you are wrong. The relationship between consumer and producer is always 2 sided, you should know that. Bioware is obliged to listen to us and do what we want if they want our hard work earned money.

Actually no they're not. They are not obliged or required to do anything in terms of changing the ending or changing content. All that is up to them. Though honestly, what would you say in terms of WoW then, which killed...no destroyed the canon of Warcraft? Should Blizzard listen to fans that want that changed?

[Hurbster]

DoctorEss wrote...

Like I said in my previous post, this is what happens when a developer gets a big head, thinks a little too highly of themselves, and lets hubris win out over humility.

Didn't that already happen with DA2 though ?

[LinksOcarina]

Mylia Stenetch wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

No, but it also doesn't mean you should instantly **** down it's neck either.

that is what I take issue with. 

Yeah this should not be done. What they did was a kind jesture, we should wait and see what this will bring. Also now you are letting the gaming journalists your advocated were lieing about you the fuel to prove otherwise. You are painting a damning picture of the "movement" and pushing the stigma of gamers.

This is also after I read the blog from Forbes, which has been herald by being true the entire time. Now that his opinion is different from your you do the exact same thing, that shows that you are falling into the entitlement range.

I am confused by what you are trying to say...

For one, I contribute to a website as a writer, so technically I am a "gaming journalist" in the loose sense of the word. You are right, I am painting a damning picture of the movement right now. But for the past month I have been open to what they are intneding to do.

the problem I see, however, is that they keep knee-jerking over things like this and it doesn't look good. So it is less of perpetuating a myth, and more of pointing out the fallacy of this opinion.

So if I am falling into that trap, I am not intending to that is for sure.  But at the same time, I am just losing my patience with this whole ordeal because, despite myself staying as neutral as possible, this is starting to get ridiculous. 

[Darth Death]

So, they're not fixing anything, but simply adding on to what people were complaining about? Not a wise move at all.

[crazyrabbits]

Is "artistic integrity" the reason why this company half-a**ed Tali without her helmet by cribbing it from a stock photo website?

[vI Demon Iv]

It's going to take you months to make a few minutes worth of cutscenes? Seriously, don't bother, no one will care by then.
BTW, this is not actual content (we can't "play" it), so I really hope you have some big, properly done singleplayer DLC planned to give to us for free to make up for the face import issue.
How far this company has fallen since EA...

Modifié par vI Demon Iv, 05 avril 2012 - 05:34 .

[RPJer001]

Dear Bioware,

While I am glad you are spending the resources to do something about the ending, I am still sad that the ending was so dull.  Why not end on epic?  It worked for ME1 and 2 yet ME3 ends on a whimper.  No end boss fight, no big finish.  It was just run around with Banshees and Brutes, press a button and enter a long, slow cut scene with the most intense part being Marauder Shields.  Ending on epic rather than slow and dull would have been great.

At least the extended cut will hopefully fill some of the holes in the original ending.  Some of the things I hope you answer are:
 -- Why did Shepard change clothes after getting hit by the laser
 -- How did Anderson make it to the Citadel right after he calls for a full retreat?  It sure sounds like he is overseeing the operation rather than in the middle of it.
 -- Shepard, and presumably Anderson, are the only survivors of Harbinger's beam attack.  Really?  Shepard is that lucky?
 -- If there are survivors on the field, why does Harbinger just fly off?  Where is he going that is so much more important?  Marauder Shields is a beast but Shepard has a magic gun now.
 -- Why is my gun at the end have unlimited ammo?
 -- Why does Anderson not teleport to the same spot as Shepard?
 -- How does TIM control Shepard and Anderson after the game makes it a point that no control device was implanted into Shepard?
 -- How do the squad mates teleport to the Normandy and why did they leave the fight above Earth?
 -- How does Shepard awake in a pile of rubble (one possible ending) if the Citadel is destroyed with him on board?
 -- How does the synthesis ending remotely synthesize organic and synthetic except by magic? It is impossible except by magic.
 -- Why do the mass relays have to be destroyed?  I can buy that they are they just consumed by the magic beam but it leads me to the question of who/how did someone plan for this?  Why would someone/thing plan for this possible event?

The above stuff is minor compared to trying to wrap my head around how any plans for the crucible could possibly have been developed without direct help from the Reapers/Star Child.  It is like they wanted to cede all control over their mission to Shepard.  They even provide Shepard with three different platforms to walk up to.  They planned this all along but why?  It does not make sense...arrrrggghhh! 

Please give me a reason to not stop playing when it is time to charge the teleporter beam? As it stands, I have seen the endings, none of them are fun to play through and I have no feeling of closure or satisfaction.


ME3 is still overall fun but it could have been epic from begining to end.  There were epic parts in the middle, I for one loved Tali's sucide which, while sad, fits the story and her character.


--- A Disappointed Fan


P.S.  
In the future, please put "Make it Fun" above Artsy in your priority list.  I can forgive logical gaps in the story if fun is intact from begining to end.  Go over and talk to the people involved with the "self sacrifice" ending for DA:O.  That was bittersweet but felt so very right and satisfying on an emotional level.  It fit the story and character of the Warden and still ended on Epic.

 

Modifié par RPJer001, 05 avril 2012 - 05:33 .

[durasteel]

This should certainly guarantee that "artistic integrity" becomes a trope.

See also "torch the franchise and run."

[Arch1eviathan]

It had better not be DLC exlcusive.

[swordmalice]

To BioWare, first of all I would just like thank you for listening to your fans and for attempting to make amends. Not many game companies pay as close attention to their fanbase as you do and for that you deserve much praise. However, I would like you to know that I, as a consumer, am still a bit nervous concerning your approach to resolving the Mass Effect 3 ending. While I do believe that the creative team has a right to adhere to their artistic integrity, I also believe that sometimes it takes another pair of eyes to a piece of work in order to help recognize flaws unseen by said creative team. The reason why the ending of Mass Effect 3 is an overwhelming disappointment to many is because that as players, we did not feel as if our countless choices and tough decisions made any impact at all in resolving the fight against the Reapers.

For example, what was the purpose of uniting the galaxy's races for the final battle if their impact is nowhere to be found Earth? Does it make a difference whether Shepard sacrificed the geth or not? How did the uniting of the turians and krogans directly impact the war and what would have changed if Shepard lost krogan support but gained that of the salarians? Why, after building up Harbinger as a major antagonist and possible archenemy for Shepard in Mass Effect 2, does he/it have no impact on the story other than a passing reference or two, and attacking Shepard's squad at the Conduit site, never to be seen (or heard from, truly a disappointment) again? And why, at the climax of Shepard's final choice, are his thoughts of only Anderson, Joker and one potential love interest (who may not even be my Shepard's current love interest)?Other problems with the ending's have already been mentioned by others, but the aforementioned questions are what I, personally, would like to have answered. I'm willing to give you the benefit of the doubt, but the fact that the press release states that no ending will be changed is a little disheartening.

Having said all that, prior to the end I think Mass Effect 3 was incredible; there were many profound moments throughout that will simply be unforgettable. I do thank you. But I ask that as you created this Extended Cut that you keep in mind the various plot holes that need addressing (which I think are just as important as providing clarification and closure). Kudos, and godspeed.

Modifié par swordmalice, 05 avril 2012 - 05:38 .

[DashRunner92]

Seriously? Just a few additional scenes? It's a shame how far Bioware has fallen. They have seen the last of my money.

[Ben Shep]

Well done Bioware for sticking with your story and not giving in!

Im proud of you.

[venom56321489]

I agree with noelemahc this is the end. Why play the game a second time and put in hours to get added clarity. Thats the problem with no choice we do not want to playthrough again. Well in the end see if this artistic integrity will keep Bioware employees in jobs. Seriously they better halt future productions many fans just turned their backs. Because obviously Bioware feels the majority is wrong about the endings.