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[Farbautisonn]

HAHAHAH... ****ing epic. I knew it. Bioware did the very thing I suspected all along. This will give the "Retake" guys and ladies more wind. And you will loose so many of your regular fans over this. Omg. Hilarious. The ME franchise stabbed and left to bleed out by its own creators. And you think this fanbase will dare buy DA3? HAhahahha... christ... this is priceless. I cant wait to see biowares competition profit and pick this corpse clean.

Oh. Btw Thanks for giving me something more to blog on.

[Amioran]

BrotherWarth wrote...
Again, you're grasping at straws to defend Bioware. ME3 is the end of the story of all 3 games. It's the end of OUR character/s. It's the end of the entire point of the series.

I'm not defending Bioware, I'm defending writing, it's different.

So let me guess, just because 3 is in the occidental standard religion (i.e. christianity) the "perfect" number then it must certainly be the last one? Who told you that just because this is the number 3 of the saga it will be the end?

Bioware often spoke about a trilogy but they never referred to the trilogy of Mass effect specifically. In fact it is much probably that in the course of action they changed the same to refer to the Shepard's trilogy, and so this end is just the end of Shepard as protagonist.

Nothing more, nothing less. If instead of telling you this was a trilogy and you all insisting on putting this trilogy on the full saga (and not to the character only, as it could be since they never speficied to what they did refer to) they would have told you that the saga would comprehend 5 chapters would you still be this angry now?

I guess not, isn't it?

Modifié par Amioran, 05 avril 2012 - 05:40 .

[venom56321489]

I am trading ME3 in and not giving any more money to bioware! keep the artistic integrity and I will keep my money. Extra scenes will not interest me in another playthrough. You win Bioware you stood your ground! This fan will stop so called crying and just remove Bioware and EA from my mind and any future purchases.

[tobiasks]

I don't understand why they won't give the option for other endings though, considering it would remove a lot of the hate towards bioware/ea. I mean I just can't see a reason for not doing it? I suppose "artistic integrity" is their reason, but come on.

[sliferred123]

at first i was throwing a temper tantrum about how the ending sucked but after i watched the ending a couple more times they are kind of growing on me. when i sat down and really thought about it i kind of get the ending just dont ask me to explain it. it more of a gut feeling. it just like pirates of carribbean 3 thought it sucked but the mroe i watched the more i liked it. still going to pick red so my sheps can live XP. still think the cataylze is an ass. all that power and that all it can do XP. at this point for me and epilogue would be appreciated but unnecessary. been having a lot of fun making up my own stories for what happened after (but in my version mass relays still around :3).

Lastly i like to thank bioware for making such an awesome game, for listening to the opinion of the fans, and will be eagerly awaiting this summer's dlc

[underwatercartooncat]

magnetite wrote...

You guys should be thankful they even decided to do it. They could have just left it with the current ending and said that's that. .

They plan to selll DLCs and grab some money. They felt there is a good chance people would bbuy much less DLCs then expected, if they do not react. It is their best interest at least to try it. So nothing really to thank about it.  The problem is: they understood something went wrong, but you do not have the feeling, they understood what exactly. 

And this is a business based on supply and demand.  If you sold a product  promising something, and 70-90% of the people think product does not include the promised matter, then you may loose them. You as a creater may feel you did put in everything you promised, but if your costumers do not feel it, they will turn away from you. 

And this is not an argument about the value of the product. It is about how people feel about it. The closest thing to game franchise could be perhaps a tv show. If you built up somethings for the fans in 2 seasons, and you turn around in the 3 season, you can loose viewers quickly, and almost impossible to gain them back. They are emotionally investing and if they feel cheated, they will leave you. And they will not come back, because they afraid you would cheat them next time too.

[aapiix]

tobiasks wrote...

I don't understand why they won't give the option for other endings though, considering it would remove a lot of the hate towards bioware/ea. I mean I just can't see a reason for not doing it? I suppose "artistic integrity" is their reason, but come on.

EA is the key word here.
In the other news, they just got voted "America's worst company".

[firl1979]

LinksOcarina wrote...

magnetite wrote...

Oransel wrote...

magnetite wrote...

This was Bioware's choice to give us an extended ending. You guys should be thankful they even decided to do it. They could have just left it with the current ending and said that's that. .

Sorry, but you are wrong. The relationship between consumer and producer is always 2 sided, you should know that. Bioware is obliged to listen to us and do what we want if they want our hard work earned money.

So you think customers are allowed to throw temper tantrums until the company gives in and decides to give them what they want? That's manipulation

Considering the EULA was likely signed before the game was put in a system or downloaded...technically the customers have no say in what they do with the product since the product is liscenced to them. The loophole is simple; you don't own the game by legal obligation.

Its a ****ty loophole, but its technically legal. So BioWare and EA didn't have to change anything in the end. 

Sure they dont have to change anything but if they want that money that many have pledged not to spend.... eh

[Konstantin]

I don't know if it help but better now than never.Work DA III and let everything else next fail means finale for Bioware...

[Blixtberit]

Wonderllama4 wrote...

Every one of ya should go f*** yourself...

Bioware is too nice! They owe you nothing!!!!!!

They owe us everything, they would be nothing if we didnt buy their products.

[Flashflame58]

So, they're not changing the ending, instead they're explaining the BS we got.

Mass Shift/Terminator is starting to sound more and more real. Sadly.

At least it's free. There's no way I would have bought this, I would have just watched it on YouTube.

[Mylia Stenetch]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Mylia Stenetch wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

No, but it also doesn't mean you should instantly **** down it's neck either.

that is what I take issue with. 

Yeah this should not be done. What they did was a kind jesture, we should wait and see what this will bring. Also now you are letting the gaming journalists your advocated were lieing about you the fuel to prove otherwise. You are painting a damning picture of the "movement" and pushing the stigma of gamers.

This is also after I read the blog from Forbes, which has been herald by being true the entire time. Now that his opinion is different from your you do the exact same thing, that shows that you are falling into the entitlement range.

I am confused by what you are trying to say...

For one, I contribute to a website as a writer, so technically I am a "gaming journalist" in the loose sense of the word. You are right, I am painting a damning picture of the movement right now. But for the past month I have been open to what they are intneding to do.

the problem I see, however, is that they keep knee-jerking over things like this and it doesn't look good. So it is less of perpetuating a myth, and more of pointing out the fallacy of this opinion.

So if I am falling into that trap, I am not intending to that is for sure.  But at the same time, I am just losing my patience with this whole ordeal because, despite myself staying as neutral as possible, this is starting to get ridiculous. 

I am not trying to call you out, since I did not know you were a gaming journalist. I was using the basic brush of IGN, Gamespot, Kotatu, etc. I am sorry for the confusion on this. 

I am also in the same boat for this now, trying to see both sides of the coin, while I may not be the best cause I can be opinionated in RL. To me I do not think you are falling into a trap, emotions wrile us up and we can respond not in the best of manner.

[Persephone]

tobiasks wrote...

I don't understand why they won't give the option for other endings though, considering it would remove a lot of the hate towards bioware/ea. I mean I just can't see a reason for not doing it? I suppose "artistic integrity" is their reason, but come on.

I COULD be clutching at straws here...

But they only said that the endings we have won't be CHANGED.

This still leaves the option for additional ending variables, no? As in...not entirely new endings but differing cutscenes, epilogues etc.?

[StephanieBengal]

Well hey, at least I get the CHOICE if I want to download it or not.

It is what it is, I didn't expect them to change the ending.

[C9316]

"We believe in our team's artistic integrity"

No, you are wrong. Pretty it up as much as you like bullsh*t is still bullsh*t at the end of the day Bioware..

[Shadowbanner]

Derek Larke wrote...

 Are we going to change the ending of the game? No.

'Nuff said.

Good luck selling future BW games.

Modifié par Shadowbanner, 05 avril 2012 - 05:43 .

[Justin2k]

venom56321489 wrote...
 I believe Bioware made an effort but it isnt good enough and if I was Bioware I would hold off on future products, dont believe they will have the support or customers they had prior to March 6th.

I saw this quote before...  well not this quote, some quotes very similar. 

It was back when Dragon Age 2 came out.  And those people that made the quote now have the Mass Effect 3 logo in their profile.  And are complaining now most likely.

Thats the thing with a lot of these vocal "fans".  You will shout all day, but you really aren't going to take your custom elsewhere.  If you were, you would have done it by now.  Bioware make games that are better than what other people make.  If you take the ending of ME3 away most people complaining would call it game of the year.

If you people really want to make a stance, you should just go.  Leave BSN, stop buying Bioware products, do not download Bioware DLC even if it's free and just go.  But you aren't prepared to do that.  And buy you i mean the whole retake group, not the person i'm quoting. 

[Mevanna]

Don't care what people say about how clarification isn't enough and the ending should be different altogether - I do agree, but we've got to be realistic about what we can and can't demand. Gaming companies should still have some degree of authority over what they produce and not have it dictated by their fans.

At the moment, I'm just loving Bioware for doing this at all. For actually giving us what we want. Maybe not giving us the exact thing we were asking for, but take a moment to see what kind of huge concession this is on Bioware's part - they're changing their game... because we asked. I don't think I've ever seen anything of the kind. Everyone always claims to be listening these days, but rarely does one see feedback doing any good.
So, a huge thumbs up from me - you really *did* listen - I can't imagine any better kind of precedent to set.

[killnoob]

Bioware, if you are still planning the extended cut version of the ending, please remember that we want the choices we make in the game to have significant impact in the game, and more importantly, we want the efforts we put into the game to be rewarded.

Yes, plotholes and vagueness in the last 10 minutes of the game need to be clarified, and yes, sense of closures to the fate of squadmates and the galaxy are needed. But if the ending does not reflect our choices and giving players a sense of achievements, clarifications and explanations are not going to satisfy your fans.

maybe someone would argue " you cannot make everyone happy", this statement maybe true, but not all the time.

Bioware have almost achieved this goal in Dragon Age:Origins, have you received large quantity of complaints against DA:O's endings? I don't think so, you know why? because you provided us with a lots of options, and the ending reflects almost every key choices we made throughout the game. So if a person want to be a jerk, he can choose the exile Alister, or have the werewolves wipe out the Dalish clan. You can also have the "almost-mega-happy" enidng where everyone is happy ( non-human noble female character can keep romancing Alister after he becomes king and marrying Anora).

The choices we made in the game is reflected and rewarded...with significantly different consequences. This increases not only the re-playability of game, but also gives the player a sense of achievement when they finish the game, something ME3 is lack of.

Another good example is ME2, if you put a lots of effort in gaining trust from your squad mates and upgrading the ships, the ending rewards you. Every squad mates are survived, they congratulate you and reflect about the final decision you made at the collector's base.The experience players (at least for me) get is very gratifying and rewarding. Again, this is something that is lacking in the last
10 minutes of ME3.

So yes, clarifications is good, closure is good, but if you want the ending of this epic trilogy to shine, you need more than that. If you want to restore fan's faith in you, you will need more than "clarifications".

All you need to do, apart from clarifications, is giving us more options (significantly different options) and reward our choices and efforts. In the end, you get to keep your "artistic vision" and fulfil the wishes of the majority of your fan base.Everyone's happy.

hope you guys can see this

Modifié par killnoob, 05 avril 2012 - 05:49 .

[Steel Dancer]

Persephone wrote...

I'll ask THIS again:

Aren't ending VARIATIONS still possible? Based on decisions and EWS?

Say certain cutscenes etc. only fire if you did X, thus affecting the epilogue you'll get?

That means that whatever was already there remains intact, clarifications are added and ending variables are included.

Everybody wins?

This'd make sense, live up to the hype, promises and advertising that was put out by the game leads, would please most of the Retake movement and would be totally non-artistic, so won't happen.

[Kosmiker]

Thank you Bioware for the effort, I'm glad you will be releasing a free DLC with extra scenes and text, that shows a lot.

Unfortunately I very much doubt myself that I'll be enjoying it because what I really liked about Mass Effect was seeing my choices in action, being able to save the galaxy at the end of the day with most of my friends still around to celebrate and I don't see that coming too soon (or ever).

Sometimes I wish the artists of these world could see that the beauty of things, most of the time, relies on it's simplicity.

[Persephone]

Justin2k wrote...

venom56321489 wrote...
 I believe Bioware made an effort but it isnt good enough and if I was Bioware I would hold off on future products, dont believe they will have the support or customers they had prior to March 6th.

I saw this quote before...  well not this quote, some quotes very similar. 

It was back when Dragon Age 2 came out.  And those people that made the quote now have the Mass Effect 3 logo in their profile.  And are complaining now most likely.

Thats the thing with a lot of these vocal "fans".  You will shout all day, but you really aren't going to take your custom elsewhere.  If you were, you would have done it by now.  Bioware make games that are better than what other people make.  If you take the ending of ME3 away most people complaining would call it game of the year.

If you people really want to make a stance, you should just go.  Leave BSN, stop buying Bioware products, do not download Bioware DLC even if it's free and just go.  But you aren't prepared to do that.  And buy you i mean the whole retake group, not the person i'm quoting. 

But THIS MAKES SENSE.

Don't confuse people with LOGIC!

[adrewan]

i happy for me the trouble was the the trouble is star child if we now more about it wont be a deus ex ending

[whiteraider]

Artistic Integrity, rofl
The is no art in 'oh ... we arnt going to make the release deadline unless we cut everything"...

Good luck selling furture art works, as you've lost your gaming customers...