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[Persephone]

DarkGin87 wrote...

So one big cut scene? i think this will make people more anrgy at bioware.


it seems that this was cut from the main game anyway so you aint doing anything for the fans just £$%^ing us off

No. CutsceneS and EpilogueS. PLURAL.

[greggm2000]

Amioran wrote...

greggm2000 wrote...
Nah, we just want a completed game. We want what we paid for. Doesn't look like we'll get it though.

A complete game in which sense? In the sense you talk about then Mass Effect was not a complete game in the same way, as it wasn't Mass Effect 2. You knew more was to come, isn't it? Did you complain for the lack of "ending" there?

So, where's the difference here? This is just another chapter. Only the saga of Shepard has ended, not Mass Effect. You don't need an ending because there's no ending yet.

Think of each ME game as a book in a series. Yes, there may be more books in the series, but that doesn't mean if one of those books is missing the last chapter, that it's complete. It's not. And I paid for a complete book, even if I haven't paid for every book that will ever exist in the series by that author yet.

[Justin2k]

cyniel wrote...

Well said. I have a friend that hated the ending and he's not going to buy any more bioware games. Of this I'm sure because once Square Enix screwed up a game, he dropped them as well.

Yeah I stopped buying Square Enix games after I stopped liking their direction.

That's what makes the difference to game companies.  At the end of the day, their main focus and concern is do they get your money.  If everyone who was mad about the Day One DLC boycotted not just the DLC but Mass Effect 3 as a whole, that would get to Bioware.  As it was, most people bought the DLC.

Same with the ending.  If everyone complaining just left BSN right now, and never bought another Bioware product again, that would hurt them.  In reality, while the negative press is embarrassing for them, it's not hurting them because the people complaining are still giving them money.

It's been a month or so of complaining, I'd say it's time to put up (just follow through on your threats to "abandon" bioware) or shut up and focus on the positives of the game and the upcoming DLC.

Complaining here... it's really not doing any good or any harm.  If anything you're generating publicity and theres no such thing as bad publicity, especially when you have PR spin making the complainers look spoilt and entitled.

[Tang McGame]

I see this as accomplishing exactly nothing and in no way motivating me to try your game again. Not even so much as reloading a save just before the end to see the update. On the plus side, I'm still enjoying the multiplayer and probably will continue to do so up until May 15th.

Modifié par Tang McGame, 05 avril 2012 - 05:59 .

[Oransel]

magnetite wrote...

Oransel wrote...

magnetite wrote...

This was Bioware's choice to give us an extended ending. You guys should be thankful they even decided to do it. They could have just left it with the current ending and said that's that. .

Sorry, but you are wrong. The relationship between consumer and producer is always 2 sided, you should know that. Bioware is obliged to listen to us and do what we want if they want our hard work earned money.

So you think customers are allowed to throw temper tantrums until the company gives in and decides to give them what they want? That's manipulation

Yes, customers are allowed to do that. And no, that's not manipulation. it's trying to rebalance producer-customer relations to normal and equal terms. We are not trying to get advantage of them, we are seeking justice.

[Cornelian]

Painbastard666 wrote...

SPECIAL REPORT: THE TRUTH WHY MASS EFFECT 3 WENT WRONG

Now
we have proof. Some trustworthy sources ( my grandma, a garbageman and
that guy who's always asking for food just around the corner) just told
me what happend at Bioware HQ back in the days.

There was Drew
Karpyshyn writing the whole thing starting back at ME1, but 5 minutes
before he ends ME3 he stopped, and leaves BW with a filthy song on his
lips andhis trainee at his mind (i think it's the same guy who wrote the
4th ME novel).

Now the Management startet to shiver. "Oh, what can we do, we have no end for our much loved space opera?!?"

The trainee came in. "I can do it, remember my skill in writing the shiny novel. I'm sure i can make a better ending than Drew can."

The management thinks about it. "Hmm, 99% are done, he can't do much damage to the series". "Well, ok, start writing Mr. Tranee-guy."

Several days after ME3 release:

90% of all fans: "WAAAAAAAHHHHH what have you done to our beloved game. Its great, but the end is so stupid and meaningless and terrible and full of plotholes."

The management thinks again. "Hmmm, something went wrong. This are not the voices we wanted to hear. Can anybody look for that trainee-guy?"

Trainee-guy comes in. "Yes masters, how can i serve you? ..... What nobody loves my ending? Grrrr, and i gave my heart to it. I even stopped to take my medicine and lockpicked that straitjacket so i can write quicker."

The management thinks more and more. "What can we do, the fans are going to kill us, we need to find more closure. That trainee-guy should write a little more explaning stuff, so the fans will understand our artistic vision."

And now we are here and looking forward to more sh***y closure and more sh***y artistic vison of an insane mind.

I will really look in the futur just before ordering a new game if it wasn't lead somehow by this trainee and his friend(s)...

[greggm2000]

megabug7 wrote...

I think it was unnecessary to kill off Shepard (or end the story).

Why should we keep our save files (for future use) when there is nothing left of the ME Universe?
The choices we made in prior games had no bearing when everything was doomed any way.

I'm actually tired of posting the same thing.
What we say means jack anyway - the evidence is there.

Bioware is going to struggle to repair the damage this has caused, but honestly, I don't think I'll be too bothered if they don't make a Mass Effect game again as it won't be the same without Shepard. There will be too many comparisons made.

And I'll miss Jennifer Hale too.

I totally agree.

*sigh*

[Persephone]

Justin2k wrote...

cyniel wrote...

Well said. I have a friend that hated the ending and he's not going to buy any more bioware games. Of this I'm sure because once Square Enix screwed up a game, he dropped them as well.

Yeah I stopped buying Square Enix games after I stopped liking their direction.

That's what makes the difference to game companies.  At the end of the day, their main focus and concern is do they get your money.  If everyone who was mad about the Day One DLC boycotted not just the DLC but Mass Effect 3 as a whole, that would get to Bioware.  As it was, most people bought the DLC.

Same with the ending.  If everyone complaining just left BSN right now, and never bought another Bioware product again, that would hurt them.  In reality, while the negative press is embarrassing for them, it's not hurting them because the people complaining are still giving them money.

It's been a month or so of complaining, I'd say it's time to put up (just follow through on your threats to "abandon" bioware) or shut up and focus on the positives of the game and the upcoming DLC.

Complaining here... it's really not doing any good or any harm.  If anything you're generating publicity and theres no such thing as bad publicity, especially when you have PR spin making the complainers look spoilt and entitled.

QUOTED FOR TRUTH.

I quit Bethseda after hating Oblivion. Didn't buy a single DLC.

Then I caved and got Skyrim after the "fans" here praised it to the skies.

Got burned again. So I left the Bethseda community for good. Won't buy their games. But I'm not constantly harassing the devs on their own forum. I reviewed it there and left.

[Amioran]

SirPetrakus wrote...

That I'm arguing with a Disney villain?

Just for curiosity, what's the last book you have read? Topolino?

SirPetrakus wrote...
Son, I hate to break it to you. There's no IT, there's no speculation. It's just bad writing. I really hope you enjoy the "extended cut" of what is already known. Hold the line.

And, again, this being said by an expert of "good writing" that doesn't either get the difference on starting anew and using momentum on a lapse.

Good to know, your expertise means really a lot.

Modifié par Amioran, 05 avril 2012 - 05:58 .

[ScrltFx]

Okay, yes, I am upset with the endings, just like the rest of you. I was left feeling empty and confused when the game ended. But I sat down. I played it. It is an AMAZING GAME. No matter the ending. While I would like to see Shepard's story continue (as several things have hinted towards it), I don't believe changing the story would be smart either. For all we know, they have some more surprises in store. I want to hold my judgments about the DLC until it is out. I am skeptical as to how they can fix this tear in their fanbase, but will wait it out.

[XenoAlbedo]

Could I get suspended for posting an image of somebody flipping the bird? It would fit right now.

[drawnacrol]

This is just going to make things worse. The s**tstorm will have cooled down by then only to be blown up again.

[Rafe34]

ratzerman wrote...

The more I read that blog post, the more it sounds like "let us explain to you why you're wrong for hating the ending."

Yup. It's very condenscending.

[Demon Velsper]

Yeah, this is what I wanted out of the crap ending... a longer turd. Good thinking there.

[MC Link]

hope it wont include additional dialogues with starchild

[XenoAlbedo]

We need more endings too. Stop being lazy and do it Bioware. Or should I say EA lap dogs?

[BadMangos]

 glad that they are doing something and not just ignoring usand post the odd thing saying we are listeneing really, personally i didnt like the end but im not at the point where i wont stop playing the games because of it.

and at least its bloody free coz if it wasnt i would have just refused playing your games anymore as when you think about it what they are giving us is the scenes that was MEANT to be in the ending what they probably cut out andplanned to sell which would have most likely happened if we didnt complain i mean think about it. with the whole joker thing i mean that came from no where and it fealt like there was such a big chunk missing between that and your option... 

anyway i look forward to seeing what the extended cut holds....

[Persephone]

BrotherWarth wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

cyniel wrote...

Well said. I have a friend that hated the ending and he's not going to buy any more bioware games. Of this I'm sure because once Square Enix screwed up a game, he dropped them as well.

Yeah I stopped buying Square Enix games after I stopped liking their direction.

That's what makes the difference to game companies.  At the end of the day, their main focus and concern is do they get your money.  If everyone who was mad about the Day One DLC boycotted not just the DLC but Mass Effect 3 as a whole, that would get to Bioware.  As it was, most people bought the DLC.

Same with the ending.  If everyone complaining just left BSN right now, and never bought another Bioware product again, that would hurt them.  In reality, while the negative press is embarrassing for them, it's not hurting them because the people complaining are still giving them money.

It's been a month or so of complaining, I'd say it's time to put up (just follow through on your threats to "abandon" bioware) or shut up and focus on the positives of the game and the upcoming DLC.

Complaining here... it's really not doing any good or any harm.  If anything you're generating publicity and theres no such thing as bad publicity, especially when you have PR spin making the complainers look spoilt and entitled.

QUOTED FOR TRUTH.

I quit Bethseda after hating Oblivion. Didn't buy a single DLC.

Then I caved and got Skyrim after the "fans" here praised it to the skies.

Got burned again. So I left the Bethseda community for good. Won't buy their games. But I'm not constantly harassing the devs on their own forum. I reviewed it there and left.

So in other words you only want people who love Bioware and agree with you to post here.

No. I want the "Bioware is dead to me!" screamers to live up to their word. Plain and simple.

Criticizing the games/devs/dlc in one thing.

Just throwing temper tantrums in another.

Modifié par Persephone, 05 avril 2012 - 06:02 .

[Annihilator27]

Here we go folks, Into the fire!!! I hope theres alot of clarification....And a boss fight with Harbinger!!!

[Justin2k]

BrotherWarth wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

cyniel wrote...

Well said. I have a friend that hated the ending and he's not going to buy any more bioware games. Of this I'm sure because once Square Enix screwed up a game, he dropped them as well.

Yeah I stopped buying Square Enix games after I stopped liking their direction.

That's what makes the difference to game companies.  At the end of the day, their main focus and concern is do they get your money.  If everyone who was mad about the Day One DLC boycotted not just the DLC but Mass Effect 3 as a whole, that would get to Bioware.  As it was, most people bought the DLC.

Same with the ending.  If everyone complaining just left BSN right now, and never bought another Bioware product again, that would hurt them.  In reality, while the negative press is embarrassing for them, it's not hurting them because the people complaining are still giving them money.

It's been a month or so of complaining, I'd say it's time to put up (just follow through on your threats to "abandon" bioware) or shut up and focus on the positives of the game and the upcoming DLC.

Complaining here... it's really not doing any good or any harm.  If anything you're generating publicity and theres no such thing as bad publicity, especially when you have PR spin making the complainers look spoilt and entitled.

QUOTED FOR TRUTH.

I quit Bethseda after hating Oblivion. Didn't buy a single DLC.

Then I caved and got Skyrim after the "fans" here praised it to the skies.

Got burned again. So I left the Bethseda community for good. Won't buy their games. But I'm not constantly harassing the devs on their own forum. I reviewed it there and left.

So in other words you only want people who love Bioware and agree with you to post here.

No, while I'd like it to be a bit more positive around here, I don't care what you do.  I'm just saying, to make a real impact you would go through with your threats instead of just threatening.  Because they are only going to seriously be concerned when the money stops coming in.  Staying here to complain does nothing but get their name in press.

[Ghost Lightning]

MC Link wrote...

hope it wont include additional dialogues with starchild

I hope it will erase the existance of starchild from this universe, but we won't all get what we want.

[Amioran]

BrotherWarth wrote...

Is English your first language? I'm having a really hard time understanding what you're trying to say.

No, it's not. I'm sorry if it is diffuclt to understand what I'm saying.

But to summarize: the "trilogy" part is just a convention, nothing more, now. It is not said that just because Bioware said at beginning that ME would have been a trilogy that trilogy was tied to the full saga in itself (and not maybe to a character in the same). Or it could also have been at beginning, but then the thing could have changed in the course of action for many motives (one of which is naturally also money, without hypocrisies).

Let's pretend that Bioware instead of saying "trilogy" at the beginning would have said that ME was made of 5 chapters. Would you still be angry at this "ending"?

If no then there's not motive to be angry the same, just because they told you now, clearly, that this is not the ending at all.

Modifié par Amioran, 05 avril 2012 - 06:04 .

[sean10mm]

Derek Larke wrote...

So there you have it. Are we proud of the game we made and the team that made it? Hell yes. Are we going to change the ending of the game? No. Do we appreciate the passion and listen to the feedback delivered to us by our fans? Very much so and we are responding.

Serious question for Bioware folks: are any of you capable of addressing your customers without being insultingly patronizing? 

Modifié par sean10mm, 05 avril 2012 - 06:03 .