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[TheOptimist]

I'm going to try to stay optimistic, but honestly it's kinda hard. This is free, which is a nice gesture but it's going to be a lot harder to fix the holes in the end with no additional endings. I truly hope you can pull it off...because if you don't, you're losing a lot of people as customers. Including me.

[WhiteVV1ings]

*sigh* Not sure what to think of this honestly. Hopefully Bioware isn't going to try to bandage this and hope for the best. From the information or lack there of, Bioware is in trouble if they don't give further and more elaborate details. I'm 99.9% ready to leave the Mass Effect development team and focus solely on Dragon Age only. Its unfortunate Bioware put themeselves in this position, and if the Dragon Age development team screws Dragon age 3 then goodbye to Bioware as a whole.

Modifié par WhiteVV1ings, 05 avril 2012 - 06:04 .

[Treavor647]

God i wish i was going to PAX. Just to hear their answers from the Retake Movement's questions. I hope they serve popcorn to the people watching the firing squad.

[XenoAlbedo]

I will never purchase from Bioware again if this isn't good. End of story. I will NEVER come back.

Modifié par XenoAlbedo, 05 avril 2012 - 06:04 .

[Super.Sid]

According to Ms. Merizan on twitter, no one starves to death, Shep is reunited with crew, there are certain sacrifies, rebuilding the relays is completely possible depending on your ending and she says she fancies indoctrination theory on one of her playthroughs.
I think it all depends on EMS scores.

[desertcatcus1]

All I have to say is thank god for fanfiction that gives me the ending I want , with Shepherd and Liara together and ALIVE!!!!

[Ricinator]

 We want more Endings not just a few cinematics to put everything into context... Have you listened to us at all?

[desertcatcus1]

Super.Sid I hope thats true.

[Persephone]

XenoAlbedo wrote...

I will never purchase from Bioware again if this isn't good. End of story. I will NEVER come back.

That I can understand. This HAS TO be a frigin' amazing DLC. And it CAN be. Let us hope for the best.

[XenoAlbedo]

Ricinator wrote...

 We want more Endings not just a few cinematics to put everything into context... Have you listened to us at all?

We need more endings! Yes indeed!

[Persephone]

Super.Sid wrote...

According to Ms. Merizan on twitter, no one starves to death, Shep is reunited with crew, there are certain sacrifies, rebuilding the relays is completely possible depending on your ending and she says she fancies indoctrination theory on one of her playthroughs.
I think it all depends on EMS scores.

OH MY.

Could you link to that?:O:O:O

[desertcatcus1]

If one shows Shepherd alive and reunited with the crew and your love interest, I would be happy.

[Super.Sid]

Persephone wrote...

Super.Sid wrote...

According to Ms. Merizan on twitter, no one starves to death, Shep is reunited with crew, there are certain sacrifies, rebuilding the relays is completely possible depending on your ending and she says she fancies indoctrination theory on one of her playthroughs.
I think it all depends on EMS scores.

OH MY.

Could you link to that?:O:O:O

There are a lot of posts so you will have to try and read many conversations

https://twitter.com/#!/jessicamerizan

[SirPetrakus]

Amioran wrote...


Just for curiosity, what's the last book you have read? Topolino?

I'm actually reading up some Dean Koontz right now. As much as I love James Joyce's Ulysses and Kafka's Trial, some good old movie type schlock always helps to relax.

Amioran wrote...
And, again, this being said by an expert of "good writing" that doesn't either get the difference on starting anew and using momentum on a lapse.

Good to know, your expertise means really a lot.

I'm actually having a book published soon. Thanks for asking. It's in Greece however, so ... eh? I'm no Kazantzakis. How about you?

Don't get what you mean by "momentum". The franchise is basically dead.

[Justin2k]

Ricinator wrote...

 We want more Endings not just a few cinematics to put everything into context... Have you listened to us at all?

I distinctly remember people saying they wanted more closure and some things to make more sense.

This is the problem.  You haven't been one cohesive voice, just many voices shouting at once.

[ParagonX30]

Justin2k wrote...

BrotherWarth wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

cyniel wrote...

Well said. I have a friend that hated the ending and he's not going to buy any more bioware games. Of this I'm sure because once Square Enix screwed up a game, he dropped them as well.

Yeah I stopped buying Square Enix games after I stopped liking their direction.

That's what makes the difference to game companies.  At the end of the day, their main focus and concern is do they get your money.  If everyone who was mad about the Day One DLC boycotted not just the DLC but Mass Effect 3 as a whole, that would get to Bioware.  As it was, most people bought the DLC.

Same with the ending.  If everyone complaining just left BSN right now, and never bought another Bioware product again, that would hurt them.  In reality, while the negative press is embarrassing for them, it's not hurting them because the people complaining are still giving them money.

It's been a month or so of complaining, I'd say it's time to put up (just follow through on your threats to "abandon" bioware) or shut up and focus on the positives of the game and the upcoming DLC.

Complaining here... it's really not doing any good or any harm.  If anything you're generating publicity and theres no such thing as bad publicity, especially when you have PR spin making the complainers look spoilt and entitled.

QUOTED FOR TRUTH.

I quit Bethseda after hating Oblivion. Didn't buy a single DLC.

Then I caved and got Skyrim after the "fans" here praised it to the skies.

Got burned again. So I left the Bethseda community for good. Won't buy their games. But I'm not constantly harassing the devs on their own forum. I reviewed it there and left.

So in other words you only want people who love Bioware and agree with you to post here.

No, while I'd like it to be a bit more positive around here, I don't care what you do.  I'm just saying, to make a real impact you would go through with your threats instead of just threatening.  Because they are only going to seriously be concerned when the money stops coming in.  Staying here to complain does nothing but get their name in press.

My friend. Getting Biowares Name in the press IS hurting their sales. And they obviously ARE concerned with this whole situation. And why is that? Because people all over the place were and are complaining. That's how it works. 

[Persephone]

desertcatcus1 wrote...

If one shows Shepherd alive and reunited with the crew and your love interest, I would be happy.

Could happen. If they do it right. The plural in cutsceneS and EpilogueS gives me loads of hope.

[Kindliche]

sean10mm wrote...

Derek Larke wrote...

So there you have it. Are we proud of the game we made and the team that made it? Hell yes. Are we going to change the ending of the game? No. Do we appreciate the passion and listen to the feedback delivered to us by our fans? Very much so and we are responding.

Serious question for Bioware folks: are any of you capable of addressing your customers without being insultingly patronizing? 

They aren't it seems. Every comment has been has been very condesending. 

[vera]

I still want new endings. You make me sad. Please listen us.

[Michel1986]

XenoAlbedo wrote...

Ricinator wrote...

 We want more Endings not just a few cinematics to put everything into context... Have you listened to us at all?

We need more endings! Yes indeed!

Read the first post again, it says you get video's instead of a newer ending.

LEARN TO READ PEOPLE!

[Persephone]

Super.Sid wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Super.Sid wrote...

According to Ms. Merizan on twitter, no one starves to death, Shep is reunited with crew, there are certain sacrifies, rebuilding the relays is completely possible depending on your ending and she says she fancies indoctrination theory on one of her playthroughs.
I think it all depends on EMS scores.

OH MY.

Could you link to that?:O:O:O

There are a lot of posts so you will have to try and read many conversations

https://twitter.com/#!/jessicamerizan

Many thanks! Lots of hope restored!

[Persephone]

Kindliche wrote...

sean10mm wrote...

Derek Larke wrote...

So there you have it. Are we proud of the game we made and the team that made it? Hell yes. Are we going to change the ending of the game? No. Do we appreciate the passion and listen to the feedback delivered to us by our fans? Very much so and we are responding.

Serious question for Bioware folks: are any of you capable of addressing your customers without being insultingly patronizing? 

They aren't it seems. Every comment has been has been very condesending. 

Professional PR speak is just that. It's neutral. Not condescending. Neutral and vague.

[Reever]

I´m really happy you guys are happy with those endings and I really really hope this expansion will help us see it like you do - although many think the endings were broken to begin with.

I for one hope this will be enough for me, at least!

[vI Demon Iv]

Amioran wrote...

vI Demon Iv wrote...

Amioran wrote...

SirPetrakus wrote...
Buddy, you got me wrong! I'm 100% right there, with you. People who complain about plot holes are too dumb to understand they are FEATURES! I mean, how dense can you get? People wanting consistensy and good writing. Pffft!

As I thought.

You demonstrated my point perfectly, given your unability to comprehend neither minimally what I said. I'm not perplexed at al about the rest given this.

I said that just because this "ending" is not an ending at all, giving what you call "plot-holes" is a good thing. And since I understand perfectly that you cannot grasp why I will give you an hint: momentum. If you end a story fully and you want to start another with the same background then you have to start from beginning and the momentum of before will be lost.

Think about it, I'm sure you can grasp it if you want.

Translation: If you want to sell DLC for the next year or two for the game, you cannot give it a proper ending, otherwise how would you sell DLC and make more money?

If you like to see it that way. But as is said: the Devil is never as bad as depicted.

Let me ask you this: let's pretend you are Bioware. You began a series many years ago and didn't know how it would have gone. You projected it to be a trilogy. Then in the meantime you have what is Mass Effect now, a product that sells a lot and it is liked by million of people. By and by you understood that what you created etc. has made a profound impact and has grown to a proportion you didn't believe possible (and not only about the money, but also for creativity purposes, experimentations etc.), would you let it die just because you projected at beginning that it could have been a good trilogy and nothing more?

And let's suppose that you don't want to end it this way and instead you have a lot of ideas more. Just because people want it to "end" you let it really die instead of using the momentum created by the story? Would you just give an "ending" that all people want that could REALLY destroy the franchise forever (because you have to create another setting anew, without the momentum and it can totally fail, destroying everything) or you use that momentum to continue the saga that you so love?

Think about it and ask sincerely, without playing the "angry customer card or EA is the devil's one".

Sincerely... this sounds like "the easy way".  By that I mean, to make it easy to make more games (less coding, story, design, etc...) in the same universe.  I have yet to see the ending, I'm still waiting to play the game since I can't import my Shepard, something that was advertised all over the place to be possible.
If this, ME3, is the end of Shepard's story, but not the end of the franchise, why not fully end Shepard's story, then have the next game take place much further down the road?  Well, because then it would be more work for them.

We all know EA's business model, and we all can see the influence EA has had over the ME franchise.  I highly doubt that BioWare would ever have put in multiplayer had EA not required it.  EA wants every game to have multiplayer because it's quick and easy to clip a section or two of singleplayer and turn it into a $10 map pack. Also, no multiplayer means no multiplayer pass with a new copy and no pass to sell the people that bought used copies.

As I said, I have not seen the endings, I have played for an hour trying to fix my Shepard that would not import at all, only to find the necessary options missing.  I may finish the game when the import glitch is fixed and love the ending.  My comments on the ending are based on the way this is all being handled by BioWare, which is incredibly poorly and on their new business model, ie adopting EA's business model, as they have no choice.

I personally have stopped playing many developer's games because of stuff like this, and BioWare is just the latest to be added to the list.  I'll play ME3 when/if I can play with my Shepard, but I will not purchase DLC or games.  I will be watching however as they, with the help of EA, destroy themselves and get shut down in the near future.  Gamers are fed up and it's starting to show.  We're not going to take EA's and Activision's garbage any more.