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[Justin2k]

ParagonX30 wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

BrotherWarth wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

cyniel wrote...

Well said. I have a friend that hated the ending and he's not going to buy any more bioware games. Of this I'm sure because once Square Enix screwed up a game, he dropped them as well.

Yeah I stopped buying Square Enix games after I stopped liking their direction.

That's what makes the difference to game companies.  At the end of the day, their main focus and concern is do they get your money.  If everyone who was mad about the Day One DLC boycotted not just the DLC but Mass Effect 3 as a whole, that would get to Bioware.  As it was, most people bought the DLC.

Same with the ending.  If everyone complaining just left BSN right now, and never bought another Bioware product again, that would hurt them.  In reality, while the negative press is embarrassing for them, it's not hurting them because the people complaining are still giving them money.

It's been a month or so of complaining, I'd say it's time to put up (just follow through on your threats to "abandon" bioware) or shut up and focus on the positives of the game and the upcoming DLC.

Complaining here... it's really not doing any good or any harm.  If anything you're generating publicity and theres no such thing as bad publicity, especially when you have PR spin making the complainers look spoilt and entitled.

QUOTED FOR TRUTH.

I quit Bethseda after hating Oblivion. Didn't buy a single DLC.

Then I caved and got Skyrim after the "fans" here praised it to the skies.

Got burned again. So I left the Bethseda community for good. Won't buy their games. But I'm not constantly harassing the devs on their own forum. I reviewed it there and left.

So in other words you only want people who love Bioware and agree with you to post here.

No, while I'd like it to be a bit more positive around here, I don't care what you do.  I'm just saying, to make a real impact you would go through with your threats instead of just threatening.  Because they are only going to seriously be concerned when the money stops coming in.  Staying here to complain does nothing but get their name in press.

My friend. Getting Biowares Name in the press IS hurting their sales. And they obviously ARE concerned with this whole situation. And why is that? Because people all over the place were and are complaining. That's how it works. 

No, it's not hurting them.  They've pretty much spun it so you look like spoilt entitled children.  Only Forbes and one or two smaller ones have been supporting you, the majority of the big players like IGN etc have made Bioware out to be the victims.

The only thing that will hurt them is when you stop buying their stuff.  Which isn't going to happen no matter how much you shout if we're honest.

[Persephone]

makalathbonagin wrote...

Persephone wrote...

DarkGin87 wrote...

So one big cut scene? i think this will make people more anrgy at bioware.


it seems that this was cut from the main game anyway so you aint doing anything for the fans just £$%^ing us off

No. CutsceneS and EpilogueS. PLURAL.

Por el amor de dios, stop spamming this place, woman ...

What I said is not spam. It's perfectly on topic.

[nelly21]

No!!! You mean to tell me that even though we are getting free dlc to make the endings better we're still *****ing and moaning? I never would have expected that from gamers nowadays.

/sarcasm

I should remember to send Valve some cupcakes so they can fix the crap ending from Half-Life 2 which was compounded into an even more crap ending in HL2:E2. Oh but wait, we cool with Valve. They give us free stuff. Pass granted.

[XenoAlbedo]

Michel1986 wrote...

XenoAlbedo wrote...

Ricinator wrote...

 We want more Endings not just a few cinematics to put everything into context... Have you listened to us at all?

We need more endings! Yes indeed!

Read the first post again, it says you get video's instead of a newer ending.

LEARN TO READ PEOPLE!

Learn to figure out what people mean more like it. I know that they said that and my post was protesting that and supporting new endings.

[SeismicGravy]

A couple of things I would like clarifying:

1. How did the Citadel get to Earth if it doesn't have any engines? Did the Reapers drag it there with a huge tow rope?

2. How did TIM get onto the Citadel in the first place?

3. How is Godkids idea on "synthetics killing organics so that organics don't kill synthetics for killing organics that kill synthetics" supposed to make any sense at all?

4. Why, in all 3 endings do the Mass Relays explode? Why should Shepard be rewarded for all that hard work and dedication with the largest case of Genocide since WWII?

5. Why should Shepard have to die anyway? Can't he/she just retire from active service?

6. Why, as a result of question 4, have you stranded the entire fleet above a medium rare Earth, which is barely able to support insects, much less 100,000+ ships (Oh wait, question 4 has just happened, meaning nothing in the Sol system would have survived the blast anyway. Or would it?)

If these and others like it are addressed in the new DLC then I'll be happy, but if I'm still left with more questions than answers.......

Modifié par SeismicGravy, 05 avril 2012 - 06:32 .

[warlorejon]

i can quit buying there stuff,witcher in 2 weeks,

[AKoreanEtude]

If Bioware and EA hold true to the statements made in this post, then I couldn't be happier. I liked the ending of ME3, although I found it incredibly lacking in explanation. If the plot and story holes get filled with something that has meaning and sustenance, I think that will suffice.

The Mass Effect universe is ultimately Bioware and EA's creation, folks. Yes, as consumers, we are all entitled to a say as to our feelings of the products we purchase. But, I feel a handful of us want absolute reign over creative control, and that, simply put, is not fair to anyone. Bioware and EA have given us ample amounts of freedom when it's come to our characters and what details occur within each Mass Effect game. It is nearly impossible, and also impractical, to please everyone.

To everyone who is still not satisfied with the direction all of this is heading, then all of you need to grow up. You cannot have everything the way you want. That's not how life works, and if you continue to live your life that way, then you will never be happy.

[novaova]

(Reposting here since the independent thread for this was locked, and those involved were told to bring it here.)


The Extended Cut announcement is genius. Evil genius.

Everything about the announced Final Cut DLC is simultaneously horrble and brilliant.

The content of the announcement will fracture the fanbase, enabling Bioware to divide and conquer. By making it free, the people who were demanding only that it be free are satisfied. By providing closure, the people who only wanted closure will be satisfied. By doubling down and standing by the existing ending, the people who argued on the side of "artistic integrity" will be reinforced.

This will pit all of the above against the most important group: the ones who said that the ending is terrible, for reasons which have been already established in countless epic forum posts and video deconstructions. (And make no mistake, the ending is terrible, and clarifying it is like polishing a coprolite.) Those who insist that the ending is terrible will be increasingly marginalized.

The timing of the announcement is tactically smart as well. By doing it the day before PAX, they have destroyed the ability of the fanbase to show a united front at PAX. The waters are sufficiently muddied that they have a decent chance of making it through PAX without any ugly incidents. Anyone who stands up and says "but the ending is terrible" will be shouted down in a chorus of "but the extended cut will be free" and "they are clarifying it for us" and "you are not respecting their artistic integrity." All the panelists need to do is sit back and smile, and let the shattered fanbase do their work for them.

Modifié par novaova, 05 avril 2012 - 06:13 .

[Persephone]

Justin2k wrote...

No, it's not hurting them.  They've pretty much spun it so you look like spoilt entitled children.  Only Forbes and one or two smaller ones have been supporting you, the majority of the big players like IGN etc have made Bioware out to be the victims.

The only thing that will hurt them is when you stop buying their stuff.  Which isn't going to happen no matter how much you shout if we're honest.

And FORBES is actually defending Bioware's decision with this DLC now.

Oh, the TRAITORS!

[Mallyx]

BW why? You hate your fans?
Your artistic end totally killed the story and re-playability. We're players, not stupid artists.
It's so hard to understand? The whole feedback was completely useless.
Good luck in other artistic games. Maybe someone will buy them.

[GT500.org]

Derek Larke wrote...

...

Be good to each other and Summer is coming...

That's a cute quote, however I am forced to ask why BioWare refuses to be good to its customers?

I was a fan of Mass Effect. I loved the games, even though they weren't perfect. I even purchased almost all of the DLC. Then I finish Mass Effect 3, and the revelation of the reason behind the creation of the Reapers was just an insult to loyal fans such as myself. Now BioWare comes out with DLC that won't fix any of the actual problems with the ending, because they are too proud to admit that they made a mistake.

Dear BioWare, your pride disgusts me, and so does your lack of commitment to your fans. You have lost my respect, and my business. Please fulfill my request for a refund.

Modifié par GT500.org, 05 avril 2012 - 06:14 .

[Travie]

Sounds worthless. Our choices still won't matter.

[Melancholic]

Super.Sid wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Super.Sid wrote...

According to Ms. Merizan on twitter, no one starves to death, Shep is reunited with crew, there are certain sacrifies, rebuilding the relays is completely possible depending on your ending and she says she fancies indoctrination theory on one of her playthroughs.
I think it all depends on EMS scores.

OH MY.

Could you link to that?:O:O:O

There are a lot of posts so you will have to try and read many conversations

https://twitter.com/#!/jessicamerizan

The page won't load for me. Can anyone quote or screenshot these tweets? BioWare tweets have a habit of disappearing, so it seems like a wise idea anyway.

[Persephone]

novaova wrote...

(Reposting here since the independent thread for this was locked, and those involved were told to bring it here.)


The Extended Cut announcement is genius. Evil genius.

Everything about the announced Final Cut DLC is simultaneously horrble and brilliant.

The content of the announcement will fracture the fanbase, enabling Bioware to divide and conquer. By making it free, the people who were demanding only that it be free are satisfied. By providing closure, the people who only wanted closure will be satisfied. By doubling down and standing by the existing ending, the people who argued on the side of "artistic integrity" will be reinforced.

This will pit all of the above against the most important group: the ones who said that the ending is terrible, for reasons which have been already established in countless epic forum posts and video deconstructions. (And make no mistake, the ending is terrible, and clarifying it is like polishing a coprolite.) Those who insist that the ending is terrible will be increasingly marginalized.

The timing of the announcement is tactically smart as well. By doing it the day before PAX, they have destroyed the ability of the fanbase to show a united front at PAX. The waters are sufficiently muddied that they have a decent chance of making it through PAX without any ugly incidents. Anyone who stands up and says "but the ending is terrible" will be shouted down in a chorus of "but the extended cut will be free" and "they are clarifying it for us" and "you are not respecting their artistic integrity." All the panelists need to do is sit back and smile, and let the shattered fanbase do their work for them.

Macchiavelli couldn't have put it better.

[Damien Shepherd]

Well I, like some of the other retakers can probably best describe my reaction as "cautiously optimistic" I do not envy the team working on it though they're gonna have a hell of a job expanding on that plot hole ridden mess of an ending though instead of providing alternatives (which is what most of us wanted).

I welcome the chance for "clarity & closure" but do not understand why it's so hard to provide alternative path's for the end but since ME3 was advertised as having "multiple endings determined by your choices and actions" (when it only really delivered 1 w/ slight variations) I'm hoping you can fulfill the promises your team has made and make each of the 16 endings distinct enough.

Thank you for listening to your fans and responding (though you phrased it in quite possibly the worst way ever) I look forward to when I can finally start my 2nd play through of ME3 and not have the shadow of such a disappointing ending cloud my enjoyment of the first 99% of the game.

[foo man chew]

Oh well on to a new company who doesn't hide behind artistic integrity like cowards because they cant admit they put out a poor product.

[RukiaKuchki]

People, stop moaning. Just stop. This is awesome news, more (free) game content that will answer more questions. At least have the decency to wait to see what it is first before swearing off Bioware for life. Summer is only a couple of months away. It will not kill you to wait!

[Super.Sid]

Check
https://twitter.com/#!/jessicamerizan
Its buzzing.Apparently some of the news is good.

[RayVelocity]

"We're listening" is becoming insult to us.
So if bioware or EA down someday, I suggest they carve this sentence as epitaph!

[MaldororAzrael]

Ok, that's it.

Call me "an eternally unhappy, impossible to please, entitled fanboy" but the extended cut is not what I've been hoping for... I think the description they provided makes it clear enough that there is nothing there for me to wait for. Current endings possess bargain bin quality of writing, few extra cutscenes won't fix those enormous plotholes.

Thank you for all these years and games Bioware, but it's time for us to part our ways. I'm taking my money elsewhere, I think I like CD Project's "artistic vision" better.

[harrier25699]

novaova wrote...

(Reposting here since the independent thread for this was locked, and those involved were told to bring it here.)


The Extended Cut announcement is genius. Evil genius.

Everything about the announced Final Cut DLC is simultaneously horrble and brilliant.

The content of the announcement will fracture the fanbase, enabling Bioware to divide and conquer. By making it free, the people who were demanding only that it be free are satisfied. By providing closure, the people who only wanted closure will be satisfied. By doubling down and standing by the existing ending, the people who argued on the side of "artistic integrity" will be reinforced.

This will pit all of the above against the most important group: the ones who said that the ending is terrible, for reasons which have been already established in countless epic forum posts and video deconstructions. (And make no mistake, the ending is terrible, and clarifying it is like polishing a coprolite.) Those who insist that the ending is terrible will be increasingly marginalized.

The timing of the announcement is tactically smart as well. By doing it the day before PAX, they have destroyed the ability of the fanbase to show a united front at PAX. The waters are sufficiently muddied that they have a decent chance of making it through PAX without any ugly incidents. Anyone who stands up and says "but the ending is terrible" will be shouted down in a chorus of "but the extended cut will be free" and "they are clarifying it for us" and "you are not respecting their artistic integrity." All the panelists need to do is sit back and smile, and let the shattered fanbase do their work for them.

QFT.  It's clever move, but lamentable it's come to this.

[Persephone]

foo man chew wrote...

Oh well on to a new company who doesn't hide behind artistic integrity like cowards because they cant admit they put out a poor product.

Sadly none of them produce the games I like. Only Bioware has kept my interest like this.

And endings or no, ME3 isn't a poor product.