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[eoinnx03]

It would be funny if I wasn't such a fan of mass effect. They have made the situation far worse for themselves and it appears they still don't know that yet.
Oh well. I'm done now with Bioware, and I'd like to thank them for great gaming memories for that last decade or so.
I wanted the option to have a slightly uplifting ending. Little blue children would of been nice, not just DEATH, DEATH with a side order of death.
Or if that was too much to ask, just an ending that doesn't negate all the choices we made in the game, and make all the choices pointless.

[tvih]

Even with the gaping plot holes behind the only three options presented, missing closure was still my biggest annoyance. Hopefully this will clear things up enough.

[WhiteVV1ings]

Persephone wrote...

Super.Sid wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Super.Sid wrote...

According to Ms. Merizan on twitter, no one starves to death, Shep is reunited with crew, there are certain sacrifies, rebuilding the relays is completely possible depending on your ending and she says she fancies indoctrination theory on one of her playthroughs.
I think it all depends on EMS scores.

OH MY.

Could you link to that?:O:O:O

There are a lot of posts so you will have to try and read many conversations

https://twitter.com/#!/jessicamerizan

Many thanks! Lots of hope restored!

I'm optimistic and I hope this true. :happy:

[warlorejon]

30 dollar trade in for me3 at game stop

[Aidan Rhane]

Well...I guess I'll just wait and see for now. I don't think what has been outlined will fix what I and many others perceive to be broken about the ending as it currently stands, but...yeah, I'll hold on and see what you guys do even if it's not exactly what I hoped for. I'll give it another shot, you deserve it.

I do wonder if maybe this 'Extended Cut' is really the 'full' ending you originally planned but EA forced it out before you could finish it. At least that's the impression I get.

I also really wish you guys would stop bringing up the 'artistic integrity' nonsense too. When you sell game content seperately on day 1, when you use stock images from google and photoshop them (badly), when the last message you give to the player is a request to buy more DLC...yeah, I think you can see why so many of us find the 'artistic 'integrity' argument a little hard to swallow.

So...I'll give this another shot. But sadly I do worry that Bioware is going to go the way of so many good developers bought out by EA. As it stands, it looks like ME3 will be the last BW game I will buy because it's the only way I can voice my displeasure at the direction you seem to be taking. I'm not happy about that. There are no winners here.

[TheNevincer]

novaova wrote...

(Reposting here since the independent thread for this was locked, and those involved were told to bring it here.)


The Extended Cut announcement is genius. Evil genius.

Everything about the announced Final Cut DLC is simultaneously horrble and brilliant.

The content of the announcement will fracture the fanbase, enabling Bioware to divide and conquer. By making it free, the people who were demanding only that it be free are satisfied. By providing closure, the people who only wanted closure will be satisfied. By doubling down and standing by the existing ending, the people who argued on the side of "artistic integrity" will be reinforced.

This will pit all of the above against the most important group: the ones who said that the ending is terrible, for reasons which have been already established in countless epic forum posts and video deconstructions. (And make no mistake, the ending is terrible, and clarifying it is like polishing a coprolite.) Those who insist that the ending is terrible will be increasingly marginalized.

The timing of the announcement is tactically smart as well. By doing it the day before PAX, they have destroyed the ability of the fanbase to show a united front at PAX. The waters are sufficiently muddied that they have a decent chance of making it through PAX without any ugly incidents. Anyone who stands up and says "but the ending is terrible" will be shouted down in a chorus of "but the extended cut will be free" and "they are clarifying it for us" and "you are not respecting their artistic integrity." All the panelists need to do is sit back and smile, and let the shattered fanbase do their work for them.

+1

[Kandid001]

While I appreciate the Extended Cut, I still don't understand BioWare's clinging to the "artistic integrity" thing.

Did you not release DLC for ME2? Didn't they expand the Mass Effect saga without violating this so-called "artistic integrity"?

Implementing new endings with the DLC would take nothing away from the game.

[Justin2k]

Derek Larke wrote...

 An official press release went out today announcing how we are re-prioritizing the Mass Effect 3 post release content schedule to provide a more fleshed out experience for our fans.

I thought you guys said this would be in addition to the previously planned content?

Please don't tell me we have to wait longer for DLC because these retake people did not understand the ending?  :-(

[LinksOcarina]

MaldororAzrael wrote...

Ok, that's it.

Call me "an eternally unhappy, impossible to please, entitled fanboy" but the extended cut is not what I've been hoping for... I think the description they provided makes it clear enough that there is nothing there for me to wait for. Current endings possess bargain bin quality of writing, few extra cutscenes won't fix those enormous plotholes.

Thank you for all these years and games Bioware, but it's time for us to part our ways. I'm taking my money elsewhere, I think I like CD Project's "artistic vision" better.

Boobs, torture and cleavage?

[Persephone]

MaldororAzrael wrote...

Thank you for all these years and games Bioware, but it's time for us to part our ways. I'm taking my money elsewhere, I think I like CD Project's "artistic vision" better.

Dunno. I don't like the misogyny displayed in the Witcher franchise. Or their poor Import system. Or their lame DLC. Or their set in stone protagonist who doesn't give a damn about anything.

[admcmei]

Since this appears to be th "official thread" I'll copy/paste what I think here.

Come on, guys. You couldn't seriously think they'd do a new ending, it would have been huge work. We'll se what it is in the specific, but for now it's ok, I'll take it. As I've always said, what I want to come out from this is more a cautionary tale for future games for all developers and distributors: don't rush games, write them well, and HAVE THEM TESTED EXTENSIVELY for godssakes. Developers will never be able to have the same perspective as players.
As for other DLC content I'll just consider it one by one as they come out as I always did. I'll just buy SP content with substance, not half-hour missions or weapons or amors. As for MP DLC, I definitely won't, unless they, you know... change it completely. I'm still pissed I have to keep playing every day to keep the readiness up, they DEFINITELY should fix that.

PS: but they definitely COULD use a different tone in press releases, it still reads like "it's perfect as it is, but some nerds want more so from the goodness of our heart we'll give it to them". I'm not saying they should scream "IT SUCKS!", just maybe admit that too many things were left open and unsolved. What, do you have the pride of a sixteen year old boy that you can't even do that? By now I thought they understood it's not the right tone to seek peace. At least they didn't brag about the reviews...

[ParagonX30]

Justin2k wrote...

ParagonX30 wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

BrotherWarth wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

cyniel wrote...

Well said. I have a friend that hated the ending and he's not going to buy any more bioware games. Of this I'm sure because once Square Enix screwed up a game, he dropped them as well.

Yeah I stopped buying Square Enix games after I stopped liking their direction.

That's what makes the difference to game companies.  At the end of the day, their main focus and concern is do they get your money.  If everyone who was mad about the Day One DLC boycotted not just the DLC but Mass Effect 3 as a whole, that would get to Bioware.  As it was, most people bought the DLC.

Same with the ending.  If everyone complaining just left BSN right now, and never bought another Bioware product again, that would hurt them.  In reality, while the negative press is embarrassing for them, it's not hurting them because the people complaining are still giving them money.

It's been a month or so of complaining, I'd say it's time to put up (just follow through on your threats to "abandon" bioware) or shut up and focus on the positives of the game and the upcoming DLC.

Complaining here... it's really not doing any good or any harm.  If anything you're generating publicity and theres no such thing as bad publicity, especially when you have PR spin making the complainers look spoilt and entitled.

QUOTED FOR TRUTH.

I quit Bethseda after hating Oblivion. Didn't buy a single DLC.

Then I caved and got Skyrim after the "fans" here praised it to the skies.

Got burned again. So I left the Bethseda community for good. Won't buy their games. But I'm not constantly harassing the devs on their own forum. I reviewed it there and left.

So in other words you only want people who love Bioware and agree with you to post here.

No, while I'd like it to be a bit more positive around here, I don't care what you do.  I'm just saying, to make a real impact you would go through with your threats instead of just threatening.  Because they are only going to seriously be concerned when the money stops coming in.  Staying here to complain does nothing but get their name in press.

My friend. Getting Biowares Name in the press IS hurting their sales. And they obviously ARE concerned with this whole situation. And why is that? Because people all over the place were and are complaining. That's how it works. 

No, it's not hurting them.  They've pretty much spun it so you look like spoilt entitled children.  Only Forbes and one or two smaller ones have been supporting you, the majority of the big players like IGN etc have made Bioware out to be the victims.

The only thing that will hurt them is when you stop buying their stuff.  Which isn't going to happen no matter how much you shout if we're honest.

Bro, take a look over at Amazon.com. The game is rated with 2 stars. The price is dropping. The game gets bad press. I'm from Germany and even the biggest newspapers over here had articles talking about how Bioware screwed up. You're marginalizing the impact of the complainers. By far. Bioware is not doing this ending because they want all of us happy. They're doing it to restore faith and minimize damage! And if that fails, they know the consequences. And there WILL be consequences. Even for future releases. Their image is tarnished now anyway and there is nothing more dangerous for a company. Especially not for a company with strong brandname. 

[Pappi]

so long as they don't do an evangelion ending lol

My guess is that each ending will have a different epilogue cutscene...which it should have had in the first place to make the endings different...playing a game to get different cutscenes, yeah that is pretty cool and ussually what I exepct with differnet endings.

Deus Ex HR suffers from the same problem as ME3 in which you have the choice of three buttons and the KILL EVERYONE ending, which amounts to nothing but some weird cutscenes--and doesn't seem to make a differance...or, the worse thing--show what happend to all the characters

[AVPen]

Melancholic wrote...

Super.Sid wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Super.Sid wrote...

According to Ms. Merizan on twitter, no one starves to death, Shep is reunited with crew, there are certain sacrifies, rebuilding the relays is completely possible depending on your ending and she says she fancies indoctrination theory on one of her playthroughs.
I think it all depends on EMS scores.

OH MY.

Could you link to that?:O:O:O

There are a lot of posts so you will have to try and read many conversations

https://twitter.com/#!/jessicamerizan

The page won't load for me. Can anyone quote or screenshot these tweets? BioWare tweets have a habit of disappearing, so it seems like a wise idea anyway.

Seconded, the page isn't loading for me as well.

Modifié par AVPen, 05 avril 2012 - 06:23 .

[Super.Sid]

LinksOcarina wrote...

MaldororAzrael wrote...

Ok, that's it.

Call me "an eternally unhappy, impossible to please, entitled fanboy" but the extended cut is not what I've been hoping for... I think the description they provided makes it clear enough that there is nothing there for me to wait for. Current endings possess bargain bin quality of writing, few extra cutscenes won't fix those enormous plotholes.

Thank you for all these years and games Bioware, but it's time for us to part our ways. I'm taking my money elsewhere, I think I like CD Project's "artistic vision" better.

Boobs, torture and cleavage?

Don't forget,emphasis on the word "ploughing"

[Zujiro]

I see it already:

Fans: But BW this is not what we wanted! You just expanded a crappy Deus Ex Machina ending!
BW: What? Omg1!1 We even gave it for free. ENTITLED GAMERS.
Fans What the hell man. We told you this from day one.
BW: Whinny entitle gamers!

The next day

Kotaku: Will nothing ever suffice for gamers?
IGN: Gamer entitlement, a sever hazard for industry?
Gamespot: Have gamers gone too far.

Forbes: Gamers call bullcrap like it is.

[Arkitekt]

novaova wrote...

The content of the announcement will fracture the fanbase, enabling Bioware to divide and conquer. By making it free, the people who were demanding only that it be free are satisfied. By providing closure, the people who only wanted closure will be satisfied. By doubling down and standing by the existing ending, the people who argued on the side of "artistic integrity" will be reinforced.

This will pit all of the above against the most important group: the ones who said that the ending is terrible, for reasons which have been already established in countless epic forum posts and video deconstructions. (And make no mistake, the ending is terrible, and clarifying it is like polishing a coprolite.) Those who insist that the ending is terrible will be increasingly marginalized.

Instead of seeing this as the "us vs them", you should probably reread what you wrote there in a less cynical fashion, and realize that it is a compromise. They clearly want the game stand as it is now, they believe in their ending. Perhaps they are dumb, perhaps they are morons, perhaps they are right. However, it's their choice, we should respect it.

However, they did concede that there was a major problem in the reception of the game, and so they are willing to give to many players what they wanted, as you put it, closure, being free, and maintaining artistic integrity.

You can view this as a battle technique of "divide and conquer" if you are cynical enough, but if you put those glasses of venom aside, you will realise that it was inevitable that a good chunk of the player base would be unhappy no matter the decision they would take.

Of course, some people will think that it's either their way or the high way, that BioWare is just WRROOONG because they do not cater to everything they want from them. Well, though luck. I count myself among those who thought out what I think are much better endings than they are right now, better mechanics at the end, better framing, etc. I know I would love to see a better designed ending and that is not gonna happen. I see that BioWare caved and is providing a lot of material work for free to give us half of what has been asked. I am not extremely happy, but sufficiently pleased.

[Navywife64]

Well at least you heard part of the problem. Thank you for that at least. I still feel you have missed the point. That your story as great as it is disconnects right at the end. It starts a. New story before completeing the old. thank you again for partially hearing us. Oh and for the record I get it I just don't think it fits.

[Dragoonlordz]

I support this move, looking forward to itand I am glad it does not change the endings merely clarify some elements.

[Il Divo]

I'm not sure how to feel about this yet.  I think greater clarity (and less autodialogue, damn it) is a huge part of why I can't stand the endings. On the other hand, this could have been an opportunity for Bioware to add new options for Shepard (Ex: reject the Catalyst with enough war assets). I need more details before making a judgment.

[LinksOcarina]

Super.Sid wrote...

LinksOcarina wrote...

MaldororAzrael wrote...

Ok, that's it.

Call me "an eternally unhappy, impossible to please, entitled fanboy" but the extended cut is not what I've been hoping for... I think the description they provided makes it clear enough that there is nothing there for me to wait for. Current endings possess bargain bin quality of writing, few extra cutscenes won't fix those enormous plotholes.

Thank you for all these years and games Bioware, but it's time for us to part our ways. I'm taking my money elsewhere, I think I like CD Project's "artistic vision" better.

Boobs, torture and cleavage?

Don't forget,emphasis on the word "ploughing"

and sex cards.

Although those did exist in the middle ages....but I digress...what are we raging about again.

[Persephone]

ParagonX30 wrote...

Bro, take a look over at Amazon.com. The game is rated with 2 stars. The price is dropping. The game gets bad press. I'm from Germany and even the biggest newspapers over here had articles talking about how Bioware screwed up. You're marginalizing the impact of the complainers. By far. Bioware is not doing this ending because they want all of us happy. They're doing it to restore faith and minimize damage! And if that fails, they know the consequences. And there WILL be consequences. Even for future releases. Their image is tarnished now anyway and there is nothing more dangerous for a company. Especially not for a company with strong brandname. 

So we are proud of review bombing now?

Fantastic. This fanbase is worse than I imagined.

[Mmw04014]

I'm glad a lot of people are happy about this. I'm not one of them.

I won't be downloading this at all because it isn't what I wanted or what I think the ending of Mass Effect deserves. I expected this however. They lied all throughout development, they are continuing to lie now, so when they claimed they were "listening," I didn't believe a word of it.