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[daecath]

Here are my two biggest problems with the endings. First, it's just simply bad writing, breaking every rule of literature. (http://www.writersdi...f-novel-endings) All the talk of plot holes and other issues can all be brought back to this single point. When you break these rules, you end up with plot holes. You end up with confusion. You end up with what we got.

The second issue, which also stems from the first, but I feel is important enough to get its own point, is that it betrays the player. It takes your character, Commander Shepard, and transforms him or her from protagonist to plot device. It wasn't your decision to end the reaper threat, it was the star-child's. You become merely the vessel of that decision. Every other choice in the game was shown to be Commander Shepard's choice. We the player might have been limited in what we could do by the game mechanics, but in terms of story, Shepard was the one making a choice from an infinite number of possibilities. The ending took that away. It was no longer Shepard's decision, it was the star-child's options. If I ask you whether you want me to cut off your arm, cut off your leg, or break your spine, is that really your decision? At the very end, the protagonist of the story becomes a character introduced at the very end in order to give us a "twist". It's no longer Shepard's story, it's the star-child's.

No amount of expansion or explanation will fix what is fundamentally broken about the ending. I'm sorry BioWare doesn't see that. I'm sorry more players don't see that. I can, in a way, respect their decision to stand by the story as it was written (fundamentally flawed though it is). But I don't hold any hope that this move will address any of the concerns many people have with it, and frankly I think if they're going to stand by their artistic vision, then they should commit to it fully and not produce this. Go ahead and continue on with your original plans to make DLC content for those that did enjoy the ending.

I will wait and see, but I've already begun mourning the loss of a 10 year relationship that has provided countless hours of enjoyment. I do not believe that a simple expansion will be able to correct anything that is wrong with the current ending. BioWare was the only company that I trusted implicitly, the only company I thought could do no wrong. And the Mass Effect series is the only franchise that drew me in so completely and so passionately. Not even Star Trek or Star Wars, at the height of my fandom, were able to do this. I'm sad at that loss.

[Persephone]

Zujiro wrote...

I see it already:

Fans: But BW this is not what we wanted! You just expanded a crappy Deus Ex Machina ending!
BW: What? Omg1!1 We even gave it for free. ENTITLED GAMERS.
Fans What the hell man. We told you this from day one.
BW: Whinny entitle gamers!

The next day

Kotaku: Will nothing ever suffice for gamers?
IGN: Gamer entitlement, a sever hazard for industry?
Gamespot: Have gamers gone too far.

Forbes: Gamers call bullcrap like it is.

Except: Forbes is not supporting the whining about this DLC atm.

They adopt a wise Wait and See policy.

[Arkitekt]

Zujiro wrote...

I see it already:

Fans: But BW this is not what we wanted! You just expanded a crappy Deus Ex Machina ending!
BW: What? Omg1!1 We even gave it for free. ENTITLED GAMERS.
Fans What the hell man. We told you this from day one.
BW: Whinny entitle gamers!

The next day

Kotaku: Will nothing ever suffice for gamers?
IGN: Gamer entitlement, a sever hazard for industry?
Gamespot: Have gamers gone too far.

Forbes: Gamers call bullcrap like it is.

Perhaps. But what is done is done. They won't move their stance here. Go ahead and make noise, I don't think it will work.

I do think, however, that this major feedback can potentially wake BioWare up and prevent them from pulling those kinds of fast ones in future games. Any time someone proposes this kind of sh*t, someone will say "oh you're pulling a mass effect ending?"

[akumaunit00X]

To Bioware and EA. I was going to post before about returning my unopening copy of Mass Effect 3, however it seems that you listen to your fan base. However I will still not open this game till I see what the result is. Yes now I lose my Full Refund, but as a point to this bioware series and bio-ware's future games I am still hurt by how this came about and I will see how the community and fans take it in. If not I will stop at mass effect 2 and not look back. A loyal Mass effect fan who wont play mass effect 3 till there is peace or my money back (hence it is still in plastic) . Since this Extended Cut is coming out, does this truly addresses all the issues with the story while keeping the franchise alive? i wonder why shows that learn how to cut off a series end up being more popular then the show that drags and ruins itself, oh wait i answered my own question. BioWare can you tell me are you doing this to extend something that should be final? I wonder if that's is holding back a real good product for everyone?

[zoompooky]

AVPen wrote...

Melancholic wrote...

Super.Sid wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Super.Sid wrote...

According to Ms. Merizan on twitter, no one starves to death, Shep is reunited with crew, there are certain sacrifies, rebuilding the relays is completely possible depending on your ending and she says she fancies indoctrination theory on one of her playthroughs.
I think it all depends on EMS scores.

OH MY.

Could you link to that?:O:O:O

There are a lot of posts so you will have to try and read many conversations

https://twitter.com/#!/jessicamerizan

The page won't load for me. Can anyone quote or screenshot these tweets? BioWare tweets have a habit of disappearing, so it seems like a wise idea anyway.

Seconded, the page isn't loading for me as well.

Use the mobile site:

https://mobile.twitt.../jessicamerizan

[mattylee10]

I'm willing to wait and see. But if the ending is still bad after this then I won't be buying any additional dlc they may be planning on releasing.

[Persephone]

Mmw04014 wrote...

I'm glad a lot of people are happy about this. I'm not one of them.

I won't be downloading this at all because it isn't what I wanted or what I think the ending of Mass Effect deserves. I expected this however. They lied all throughout development, they are continuing to lie now, so when they claimed they were "listening," I didn't believe a word of it.

So....you are judging content you know nothing about yet?

Ok.

[Super.Sid]

Ms Merizan has said a few good things that are expected. But if we are deceived like before then the outcome will be far worse.

[Kargsure]

Estelindis wrote...

Kargsure wrote...

Any good market researcher will tell you that the polls that have been done (and not just on BSN btw) show that this isn't just a vocal minority.  Speaking to someone that works for a Market Research company I was informed that assuming 1.5 million copies of the game were sold then a poll only requires a sample size of just 750 people to reflect the whole.  I would think that a poll with over 10,000 responses more than covers the 750.  In addition webpolls are considered to have a 20% margin of error.

From this, and a poll where over 90% of people said they disliked the ending - we can extrapolate that over 70% of people that bought the game disliked the ending - hardly a minority.  

Thank you for this post.  It was very educational!

However, I wonder how poll analysis accounts for the fact that the BSN most likely consists of players who are more fervant than the average player?

That would only be an issue if the polls in question were only on BSN - I've seen more than 1 poll on various gaming sites with more than 10,000 responses - again with the dislike of the ending being in excess of 90%, the bias you mention still exists, which is one of the resasons that internet polls are given such a high margin of error (phone polls usually have a margin of error closer to 5%).

[AxisEvolve]

I think "expanding" a plot-hole filled ending will actually make it worse, but I'll wait and see.

[K_Tabris]

eoinnx03 wrote...

Oh well. I'm done now with Bioware, and I'd like to thank them for great gaming memories for that last decade or so.
I wanted the option to have a slightly uplifting ending. Little blue children would of been nice, not just DEATH, DEATH with a side order of death.
Or if that was too much to ask, just an ending that doesn't negate all the choices we made in the game, and make all the choices pointless.

This.

I'm interested in DA3, but after that, probably not gaming anymore.  It was a short-lived ride....

[MaldororAzrael]

LinksOcarina wrote...

MaldororAzrael wrote...

Ok, that's it.

Call me "an eternally unhappy, impossible to please, entitled fanboy" but the extended cut is not what I've been hoping for... I think the description they provided makes it clear enough that there is nothing there for me to wait for. Current endings possess bargain bin quality of writing, few extra cutscenes won't fix those enormous plotholes.

Thank you for all these years and games Bioware, but it's time for us to part our ways. I'm taking my money elsewhere, I think I like CD Project's "artistic vision" better.

Boobs, torture and cleavage?

I take it you prefer Miranda's bum zoom ins, Diana Aller's cleavage and a universe where everyone is bisexual and fancies your character? You seem to have a very limited view of The Witcher series, I recommend reading the books it's based on.

[MegaBadExample]

Well... It's free, so that's good. I just hope it actually makes sense this time.

[Persephone]

Super.Sid wrote...

Ms Merizan has said a few good things that are expected. But if we are deceived like before then the outcome will be far worse.

Jessica is a smart lady. I doubt she'd be saying these things without authorization.

[zoompooky]

Persephone wrote...

Super.Sid wrote...

Ms Merizan has said a few good things that are expected. But if we are deceived like before then the outcome will be far worse.

Jessica is a smart lady. I doubt she'd be saying these things without authorization.

So?  Casey said all KINDS of things that ended up being completely false.

[Adanu]

General dripik wrote...

Don't brag about the fact that its free when its not even what people wanted.

Although regardless this should this be funny and mind numbingly depressing to see. I would assume you would put some work into it but after the ending and tali's face I highly doubt it.

**** you and your entitlement complex. It's what some people wanted, including me.

[ShinAnubisXIII]

Free or not, no clarification and closure in the whole goddamn world can help this ending. If you sooooo want to keep you ridiculous 'artistic integrity', at least release additional ending(S) with more choices most preferably before SpaceBrat. I'd even have paid for additional endings but apparently Bioware doesn't want my money. Fine with me... plenty of other games to play. I'll simply create my own personal ending. RIP Mass Effect -.-

[PiEman]

It looks like EA has finally stepped up to answer the age old question: "Can you really polish a turd?"

Challenge everything...

[BouncyCaitian]

hmm...well I am curious about the DLC. In spite of the excellent writing in ME3 and the two previous games, it did feel a bit truncated for reasons I'm not entirely certain how to express.

[Parahexavoctal]

I will try to hold off on forming my final opinion until I've seen this extended cut.

I will try to approach it with an open mind.

I would even hope it can be enough, but I don't have that in me right now.

Because right now, what I'm thinking is that you've truly failed me Bioware. I strongly feel that the ending(s) currently given to us fail on multiple levels, including basic storytelling value. Even if 'closure' reassures us that the destruction of the mass relays doesn't equal mass genocide, that the squadmates can survive being stranded and earth isn't pretty much screwed.. and even if 'closure' makes these reassurances in a believable fashion.. It still doesn't address the fact that a last minute hamfisted deus ex machina threw away all the choices made so far, presented 3 equally unpalatable outcomes and changed the entire tone of the story in the final moments of the game.

This is just what I think now. I will be watching the spoilers the moment they are posted, but they are going to have their work cut out turning my opinion around, even if I manage to approach them with an open mind.

As it looks now, I'll never buy another item in the Mass Effect franchise, least of all Mass Effect 3. I'm just relieved I can still vote with my wallet since I didn't buy & play the game before the ending controversy scared me away.

Bioware, I am dissapoint.

[Mylia Stenetch]

Arkitekt wrote...
Instead of seeing this as the "us vs them", you should probably reread what you wrote there in a less cynical fashion, and realize that it is a compromise. They clearly want the game stand as it is now, they believe in their ending. Perhaps they are dumb, perhaps they are morons, perhaps they are right. However, it's their choice, we should respect it.

However, they did concede that there was a major problem in the reception of the game, and so they are willing to give to many players what they wanted, as you put it, closure, being free, and maintaining artistic integrity.

You can view this as a battle technique of "divide and conquer" if you are cynical enough, but if you put those glasses of venom aside, you will realise that it was inevitable that a good chunk of the player base would be unhappy no matter the decision they would take.

Of course, some people will think that it's either their way or the high way, that BioWare is just WRROOONG because they do not cater to everything they want from them. Well, though luck. I count myself among those who thought out what I think are much better endings than they are right now, better mechanics at the end, better framing, etc. I know I would love to see a better designed ending and that is not gonna happen. I see that BioWare caved and is providing a lot of material work for free to give us half of what has been asked. I am not extremely happy, but sufficiently pleased.

Well written, and identifies the current issues happening. I think it is understanable to have hesitation on what the ending will be since the ending was not up to snuff for ME3. But the "call for blood" and the mentality that is happening is bad to see.

I am not sure why some people cannot meet in the middle of this condolance and move on. While there will be outliers, I think this is the best thing they could of done with what they had, and I accept it for what it is. Also all I really wanted was some extra closure, so I am a bit pleased.

[ParagonX30]

Arkitekt wrote...

novaova wrote...

The content of the announcement will fracture the fanbase, enabling Bioware to divide and conquer. By making it free, the people who were demanding only that it be free are satisfied. By providing closure, the people who only wanted closure will be satisfied. By doubling down and standing by the existing ending, the people who argued on the side of "artistic integrity" will be reinforced.

This will pit all of the above against the most important group: the ones who said that the ending is terrible, for reasons which have been already established in countless epic forum posts and video deconstructions. (And make no mistake, the ending is terrible, and clarifying it is like polishing a coprolite.) Those who insist that the ending is terrible will be increasingly marginalized.

Instead of seeing this as the "us vs them", you should probably reread what you wrote there in a less cynical fashion, and realize that it is a compromise. They clearly want the game stand as it is now, they believe in their ending. Perhaps they are dumb, perhaps they are morons, perhaps they are right. However, it's their choice, we should respect it.

However, they did concede that there was a major problem in the reception of the game, and so they are willing to give to many players what they wanted, as you put it, closure, being free, and maintaining artistic integrity.

You can view this as a battle technique of "divide and conquer" if you are cynical enough, but if you put those glasses of venom aside, you will realise that it was inevitable that a good chunk of the player base would be unhappy no matter the decision they would take.

Of course, some people will think that it's either their way or the high way, that BioWare is just WRROOONG because they do not cater to everything they want from them. Well, though luck. I count myself among those who thought out what I think are much better endings than they are right now, better mechanics at the end, better framing, etc. I know I would love to see a better designed ending and that is not gonna happen. I see that BioWare caved and is providing a lot of material work for free to give us half of what has been asked. I am not extremely happy, but sufficiently pleased.

You overcomplicate things. The ending sucks. Period. It's not made in the spirit of the whole game. It feels like sth. completely different. And it's blatantly obvious why it's so bad. Because either, they didn't have enough time anymore and desperately tried to keep the release date. Or these rumors are true and Casey Hudson went on an EGO trip and wrote this piece of garbage himself and implemented it via executive order...No matter how you spin it. If they work with the existing ending, it will have NO redeeming quality whatsoever. 

[HighFlyingDwarf]

Soooo, finally some news and it's the second to worst thing you could have done which is to attempt to "clarify" the current endings.

Firstly, you cannot clarify an ending which makes absolutely no goddamn sense, so releasing this DLC will not help the issue at all, even if it is free.

Secondly, WHO THE HELL...SERIOUSLY...HELL decided to call this the Extended Cut?!? Whoever it was should get fired quicker than a ball out of a cannon. The extended cut in movies usually comprises of incomplete parts which have been cut then completed later to add to the film in order to add more content (in other words DLC, or in the case of Javik, part of the actual game.) Adding an unwanted extension is stupid when replacing the broken part of the game should have been the priority!!!

RetakeME3, I implore you, hold the goddamn line, this is ridiculous and insulting to the entire Mass Effect franchise and BioWare fans!

[eoinnx03]

It would be funny if I wasn't such a fan of mass effect.
They have made the situation far worse for themselves and it appears they still don't know that yet.
Oh well. I'm done now with Bioware, and I'd like to thank them for great gaming memories for that last decade or so.
I wanted the option to have a slightly uplifting ending. Little blue children would have been nice, not just DEATH, DEATH with a side order of death.
Or if that was too much to ask, just an ending that doesn't negate all the choices we made in the game, and make all the choices pointless.