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[PiEman]

Arkitekt wrote...

PiEman wrote...

It isn't because "they didn't cater to everything we want from them" it's because they BLATANTLY LIED about what the endings would be like.

For the millionth time, we were told by Casey Hudson (and several others who have been quoted on this very site in this very forum) that the endings would be different based on our choices throughout the games. We were even specifically told that it would not be an "A, B, C" ending...right before being given an ABC ending.

I don't think that is a fair assessment. The endings are plural, they are just not exposed to the audience in a sufficiently diverging manner, they all "look" the same, but they are not.

But once again, lowered standards and disregard for anyone who cares about video games will apparently prevail...

Demanding perfect standards from others is not wise. People are people, humans. Errare humanum est, and all of that. A bit of tolerance is required, and is perhaps advisable to avoid aneurisms and stuff like that.

No, it's a very fair assessment. Three. Different. Colors.
Even if they were shown to the audience correctly, they would still be three different endings that have little to do with War Assets or player choices throughout. They would be based almost entirely on the very last choice in the game. This is without even bringing up the Starchild and the plot holes that open up on everything it touches, and circular logic cirlces of logicalness and circles.

I'm not demanding anything. At the very least, I wanted something that tasted like what I was told I would be getting. If I order coffee from a place that has "the world's greatest coffee", I don't honestly expect the best cup of coffee I ever had, but I would like something that tastes remotely like coffee.
Instead, someone pissed in a cup and told me it was artistic integrity.

[Mr. MannlyMan]

Justin2k wrote...

Actually from a business standpoint it's pretty much genius.

They are giving people that want closure closure.  They are giving people who want freebies, freebies.  They are giving the people who wanted clarification clarification.

They are doing what is known as "divide and rule".  Tactics as old as colonism.  They are splintering your retake movement and your line is falling.  And they did it right before the PAX stand off too. 

Genius from EA.

What's that sucking sound?

Modifié par Mr. MannlyMan, 05 avril 2012 - 06:53 .

[KnightofPhoenix]

Persephone wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

They never had story DLC barring the Troll one which was for free.

Troll Trouble and A Sack Full Of Fluff. Free or not, they were useless.

I disagree with the troll one, I liked it and it explored Loredo more via his dealings with Dimitri. The other one was useless.

But ultimately, they were for free so it doesn't matter. They are clearly putting much more effort in the EE added content.

[Karimloo]

Fix our problem? Nope, we'll expand on it.

Dropping the ball like a bawss.

[Persephone]

Zjarcal wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Avalla'ch wrote...
Eh. TW2 promised 16 endings. It has three at best. (Yet nobody calls CDPR out on that LIE)

I thought that TW2's endings, no, the entire third act, was a letdown. They are EXPANDIN it now....hmmmmm.....

TW2 promised 16 ending *states* which were in the game and they certainly had more than 3 "major endings".

They did have to clarify that though, people read it at first as 16 true different endings, not gameworld states.

Also, what are you counting as "major endings" for TW2? Because I only count two myself (X lives, X dies). The rest is part of the "state" to me.

And since when to world states cound as ending states? Esp. with CDPR's poor import system? If that counts, ME3 and ME2 have COUNTLESS ending states. And ME3's import system (Face bug or not) actually takes decisions & romances into account.

[Dragoonlordz]

Mr. MannlyMan wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

Actually from a business standpoint it's pretty much genius.

They are giving people that want closure closure.  They are giving people who want freebies, freebies.  They are giving the people who wanted clarification clarification.

They are doing what is known as "divide and rule".  Tactics as old as colonism.  They are splintering your retake movement and your line is falling.  And they did it right before the PAX stand off too. 

Genius from EA.

What's that sucking sound?

You sucking on your own ego?

[DanielReis]

Charlie Sheen once sad "I Already Got Your Fuc#yn Money, Dude!"
Looks like BW doing the same.....:-(

[Rebel_Worm]

Sorry, but I don't believe Mass Effect 3 needs 'clarification'. It needs a proper ending with choices that actually matter. If this 'DLC' cutscene is the best we get, then I'm sad.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Zjarcal wrote...
Also, what are you counting as "major endings" for TW2? Because I only count two myself (X lives, X dies). The rest is part of the "state" to me.

Roche or Iorveth, plus X / Y lives or dies, plus what happens at Loc Muinne with regards to mages.

[Persephone]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Persephone wrote...

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

They never had story DLC barring the Troll one which was for free.

Troll Trouble and A Sack Full Of Fluff. Free or not, they were useless.

I disagree with the troll one, I liked it and it explored Loredo more via his dealings with Dimitri. The other one was useless.

But ultimately, they were for free so it doesn't matter. They are clearly putting much more effort in the EE added content.

That's the hope.

I'm glad they are doing it.

And I'm also glad that Bioware is doing this. I hope the results will be satisfying. In both cases.

[Arkitekt]

Justin2k wrote...

Actually from a business standpoint it's pretty much genius.

They are giving people that want closure closure.  They are giving people who want freebies, freebies.  They are giving the people who wanted clarification clarification.

They are doing what is known as "divide and rule".  Tactics as old as colonism.  They are splintering your retake movement and your line is falling.

These analogies are completely out of proportion. Nevermind that the so-called "splintering" of the retake movement is precisely caused by BioWare pleasing many fans with this move, which is, I suppose, what you find "analogous" with any colonialist warfare act.

I just ask for some proportion on the things one says, or this will fast become a facedeskian thread.

And they did it right before the PAX stand off too. 

Genius from EA.

Yes, now that is insight that I also noticed. It was a good bright move, preventing people from doing monkey acts tomorrow. People will regard it as "manipulation", I'll just see it as common-sense management of expectations. There's nothing wrong about preventing mob rage chaos.

[snakeoil_sean]

You wouldn't think someone would have a reason to complain about something being given away fro free, so I won't.

I will continue lodge protest regarding the incomplete and terribly ended game I did pay for however and since, as described by your official statement, this free dlc does not address those issues, expect to hear more from us all.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Persephone wrote...
And since when to world states cound as ending states? Esp. with CDPR's poor import system? If that counts, ME3 and ME2 have COUNTLESS ending states. And ME3's import system (Face bug or not) actually takes decisions & romances into account.

ME was designed as a trilogy. The Witcher was not (they were surprised it was that succesful) and TW1 and 2 had different stories all together that they didn't need to import much from the first (barring the major problem with Shani).

I will judge their import system when it's handled in TW3, as it's clearly based on TW2.

[novaova]

Justin2k wrote...

Actually from a business standpoint it's pretty much genius.

They are giving people that want closure closure.  They are giving people who want freebies, freebies.  They are giving the people who wanted clarification clarification.

They are doing what is known as "divide and rule".  Tactics as old as colonism.  They are splintering your retake movement and your line is falling.  And they did it right before the PAX stand off too. 

Genius from EA.

That sounds familiar.

[Tirigon]

Derek Larke wrote...

Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?
No. BioWare strongly believes in the team's artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.

Clarified BS is still BS.

Why are you releasing the Extended Cut DLC?
Though we remain committed and are proud of the artistic choices we made in the main game, we are aware that there are some fans who would like more closure to Mass Effect 3. The goal of the DLC is not to provide a new ending to the game, rather to offer fans additional context and answers to the end of Commander Shepard's story.

That again?

I am disappoint.

[Beti88]

Why did I buy this on Origin...

[Ghost_Nappa]

Traim Eisenblut wrote...

Dear BioWare,

the artistic vision of your team corrupts and breaks the narrative coherence of the triology. That is the central critical failure of the games ending and it's been adressed and explained many times over. Yet, it get's not resolved. A nonsensical and illogical conclusion, represented by the character of Starchild, can not be brought in line with the established lore of the franchise and can not present continuity or closure to the audiance, no matter how much clarification you put into it.

As this character alone is symptomatic for the most essential cause of our dissatisfaction with the games ending, the decision to keep him and his "solutions" (which are also illogical and nonsensical) does not make us believe you "listened" to us. In fact, it shows the very opposite.

As you value your "artistic vision", even if it clearly breaks a central aspect of the franchise and the the artwork as a whole, over the perception of your customers, you encourage us to not purchase future Mass Effect or BioWare productions. I will regard it further as an "informed customer decision" that BioWare products are not meant to entertain me, but to present and enforce a childish and in parts utterly stupid artistic experiment on me.

Thanks no. My money is better invested in other companies.

This post deserves a bump that also succintly voices my feelings on the matter.

[Cellander]

ParagonX30 wrote...

Cellander wrote...

This is exactly what I wanted, though the ending was beautiful I would have wanted more closure and expanded endings. This DLC, which is free , will certainly satisfy me. Looking forward to it!

What EXACTLY did you find beautiful about the ending? Seriously. I just can't bring myself to understand how anyone can like this atrocity. Like. HOW are you doing it? I would have to shut down major parts of my brain to overlook all the blatantly obvious plot holes, inconsistencies and badly edited "colorful" cutscenes. 

There are many questions that pop up after the ending of ME3, absolutely. That's why I think this DLC probably will make up for it. As for why I think the ending is beautiful: Everything from the music to the cutscenes are very well put together, it brought a tear to my eye. It isn't the classical hollywood ending. I felt that it was something beyond our comprehension, it felt like a punch in the stomach and I lost my breath but in a good way. It stirred up so many feelings. It's hard to explain but I hope you can get some more clarification from that.

While I think the ending is beautiful in one way doesn't mean that I'm satisfied with it. I still would have wanted a more "clear" reward for my actions throughout the series, more information as to why some things happend etc. That's what I'm hoping this DLC will give me.

Remember, this is just what I think. In the end it's all a matter of personal opinion.

Modifié par Cellander, 05 avril 2012 - 07:08 .

[Anglamite]

Sooooo, basically all they found while "investigating" the concerns of the fans was: "They want to know what happens after the crap ending." All they're doing is adding to the already-contested "end"? Isn't that like fixing a raw burger with more ketchup? Everything I want explained happened before the very end of the game or, due to game events, is unexplainable.

[PaxtonFetel]

It reminds me of a cat who licks his balls.

[harrier25699]

novaova wrote...

Justin2k wrote...

Actually from a business standpoint it's pretty much genius.

They are giving people that want closure closure.  They are giving people who want freebies, freebies.  They are giving the people who wanted clarification clarification.

They are doing what is known as "divide and rule".  Tactics as old as colonism.  They are splintering your retake movement and your line is falling.  And they did it right before the PAX stand off too. 

Genius from EA.

That sounds familiar.

Jessica Merizan's tweets hold a glimmer of hope.

[Persephone]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Persephone wrote...
And since when to world states cound as ending states? Esp. with CDPR's poor import system? If that counts, ME3 and ME2 have COUNTLESS ending states. And ME3's import system (Face bug or not) actually takes decisions & romances into account.

ME was designed as a trilogy. The Witcher was not (they were surprised it was that succesful) and TW1 and 2 had different stories all together that they didn't need to import much from the first (barring the major problem with Shani).

I will judge their import system when it's handled in TW3, as it's clearly based on TW2.

True. I was just sad to see pretty every decision I made in TW1 thrown out of the window. Even the romance! Triss could have...I dunno...at least mentioned something about just WHY they are back together despite her ANGER in the first game if you reject her.

[chotito]

[WE_Belisarius]

BioWare lied again. You did not listen to your fanbase, so I will never again throw my money in your face.
Anyway thanks for this awesome trilogy, I will just the pretend the last 5 minutes did not happen and you can keep your crappy "clarification" DLC.