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[Bigdoser]

So bioware what happend to this marketing quote in my sig? hm? So what was the 500 page topic asking for feedback is for if all you are going to do is clarify the endings? Well it looks like my money will be going to CD project soon.

[KnightofPhoenix]

Persephone wrote...
True. I was just sad to see pretty every decision I made in TW1 thrown out of the window. Even the romance! Triss could have...I dunno...at least mentioned something about just WHY they are back together despite her ANGER in the first game if you reject her.

All the decisions in TW1 are irrelevent or very marginally related to TW2's plot and story, except the romance one, yes we recognize that (even though it was silly of them to even give you the option in the first place as picking Shani makes no sense whatsoever).

[Persephone]

WE_Belisarius wrote...

BioWare lied again. You did not listen to your fanbase, so I will never again throw my money in your face.
Anyway thanks for this awesome trilogy, I will just the pretend the last 5 minutes did not happen and you can keep your crappy "clarification" DLC.

Where did they lie there? They never promised to change the endings.

And it's FREE. Give it a shot.

[Arkitekt]

PiEman wrote...

No, it's a very fair assessment. Three. Different. Colors.
Even if they were shown to the audience correctly, they would still be three different endings that have little to do with War Assets or player choices throughout. They would be based almost entirely on the very last choice in the game. This is without even bringing up the Starchild and the plot holes that open up on everything it touches, and circular logic cirlces of logicalness and circles.

We definitely played a different game.

Even considering just the effects of the RGB choice, we actually get different cutscenes[/url] which are amazingly similar to each other, not three. And this is without accounting for the different universes we get after doing all those choices in Tuchanka and Rannoch.

So they can still create sufficient "diversity" in their closure dlc without changing one iota of their ending structure (which I agree would be the preferable thing).

I'm not demanding anything. At the very least, I wanted something that tasted like what I was told I would be getting. If I order coffee from a place that has "the world's greatest coffee", I don't honestly expect the best cup of coffee I ever had, but I would like something that tastes remotely like coffee.
Instead, someone pissed in a cup and told me it was artistic integrity.

I also like rethorical flavor, but I warn you that I'm really difficult to sway by it alone.

[Tom Lehrer]

This does not seem to cover the core issues with the endding.

The starchild shows up at the very end and in 14 lines changes everything. What happened to ME1? If star child is the Citadel why did Sovereign have to take it over? Why can't we question his flawed logic and so many more questions...

[Persephone]

KnightofPhoenix wrote...

Persephone wrote...
True. I was just sad to see pretty every decision I made in TW1 thrown out of the window. Even the romance! Triss could have...I dunno...at least mentioned something about just WHY they are back together despite her ANGER in the first game if you reject her.

All the decisions in TW1 are irrelevent or very marginally related to TW2's plot and story, except the romance one, yes we recognize that (even though it was silly of them to even give you the option in the first place as picking Shani makes no sense whatsoever).

HEY. *Protects Shani* She's awesome!

[Chriagon]

It's your story Bioware, you decide how it ends, no problem with that. And ME3 will remain a wonderful game no matter how much the ending sucks or not. But I really don't think this ending is anything special that needs to be saved in the name of art.

Personally I think a good movie shouldn't make people leave the cinema with a bad feeling. And I doubt the many fans who left ME3 with a bad feeling will feel any better with an extended version of the very same ending. But then again, what do I know.

[Arkitekt]

PiEman wrote...

No, it's a very fair assessment. Three. Different. Colors.
Even if they were shown to the audience correctly, they would still be three different endings that have little to do with War Assets or player choices throughout. They would be based almost entirely on the very last choice in the game. This is without even bringing up the Starchild and the plot holes that open up on everything it touches, and circular logic cirlces of logicalness and circles.

I'm not demanding anything. At the very least, I wanted something that tasted like what I was told I would be getting. If I order coffee from a place that has "the world's greatest coffee", I don't honestly expect the best cup of coffee I ever had, but I would like something that tastes remotely like coffee.
Instead, someone pissed in a cup and told me it was artistic integrity.

Sorry, I wrote a reply to you but dunno what happened, it got canned. I'm tired right now and not in the mood of repeating myself. Just to let you know that I read what you wrote and respectfully disagree with it 

[Giant ambush beetle]

What I don't understand is, why a clarification? What are they going to clarify? There has never been the problem that the ME3 fans don't understand the ending, the problem is the ending is just cheap minimalistic plothole filled crap.
Thats actually pretty easy to understand.

[Mylia Stenetch]

WE_Belisarius wrote...

BioWare lied again. You did not listen to your fanbase, so I will never again throw my money in your face.
Anyway thanks for this awesome trilogy, I will just the pretend the last 5 minutes did not happen and you can keep your crappy "clarification" DLC.

You would be surprise that the fanbase you say they igrnoed were looking for what they are delivering.

[Wildhide]

Pattonesque wrote...

I really liked how the Rachni were integrated into the final battle. All those soldiers swarming over the Reapers really gave me a sense that my decisions mattered, you know? I mean, you guys said a while ago that they'd play a big role in the final battle, and man, you totally delivered. The new DLC isn't going to, say, remove that and reduce the Rachni decision to a simple hundred points of war assets, is it?

You are my hero, sir.  I really don't want to see this get taken out of the ending.  Or me being able to watch my as my Geth and Quarian allies work-side by side to bring down that reaper as I'm fighting my own.  That was such an impressive scene.

[Jedi31293]

Wow, why all the hate towards free DLC? I'm eager to see how Bioware attempts to remedy their horrible ending, and I wish them the best. At least give them a chance to fix their mistake before attacking them like an angry pack of Varren.

Oh wait, this is BSN...silly me.

[PiEman]

Arkitekt wrote...

PiEman wrote...

No, it's a very fair assessment. Three. Different. Colors.
Even if they were shown to the audience correctly, they would still be three different endings that have little to do with War Assets or player choices throughout. They would be based almost entirely on the very last choice in the game. This is without even bringing up the Starchild and the plot holes that open up on everything it touches, and circular logic cirlces of logicalness and circles.

I'm not demanding anything. At the very least, I wanted something that tasted like what I was told I would be getting. If I order coffee from a place that has "the world's greatest coffee", I don't honestly expect the best cup of coffee I ever had, but I would like something that tastes remotely like coffee.
Instead, someone pissed in a cup and told me it was artistic integrity.

Sorry, I wrote a reply to you but dunno what happened, it got canned. I'm tired right now and not in the mood of repeating myself. Just to let you know that I read what you wrote and respectfully disagree with it 

Eh, things happen.

[TakezoDunmer2005]

This is good to hear, very good...It means that people's concerns over the game are being recognized as such, and while I detest EA, I still hold a place for Bioware well above that horrid company, and will always judge Bioware's decisions while keeping the perspective of their freedoms as much as a division of a company that I detest allows (IE, deadlines, contractual responsibilities, etc..Which is fair as I will know how much is Bioware's responsibility and which are EA's)

Unlike the majority of folks here I'm not as angry, simply because I haven't invested anything in this release, so I have the luxury of being able to remain somewhat neutral, at least where this game is concerned..Still, I wish that Bioware could stand on it's own so I could freely enjoy/condemn Bioware's work as their own company.

Concerning this, I really don't know what percentage of my money will go to Bioware's developers due to EA's greedy stake in the former company, and would be very reluctant in purchasing any titles as I do not like the idea of supporting EA in the least, as they run their company with the bare minimum of ethics towards the customer, (Only as far as to remain legal, while maintaining good press...Oh, wait...) and would consider purchasing another Bioware title if the cut is 70:30 or above...

In any event, I still think it's a great gesture on Bioware's part to at least address this issue with something tangible such as additional content. 

Modifié par TakezoDunmer2005, 05 avril 2012 - 07:06 .

[I. C. Wiener]

Current endings possess bargain bin quality of writing, few extra cutscenes won't fix those enormous plotholes.

Thank you BioWare, I bought all your games, but now will not give you any money.

[I have to go]

Good. The ending itself didn't really bother me, it's just the lack if clarity. Mainly how your squadmates that were blown up by harbinger hopped out of the Normandy after it crashed while fleeing from the Battle of Earth.

[SpectreDracon]

Awesomesaur wrote...

TheNevincer wrote...

Dear Bioware,
Give Shepard the choice to defy the Catalyst in the extended cut.

- Sincererly, a Fan.

passionately second that.

- Sincerely, another Fan.

p.s. this is dangerously close to me not buying anything bioware again

Calibrating...

just gonna agree. Give me something GOOD BW.
-Sincerely, America

[Mylia Stenetch]

Tom Lehrer wrote...

This does not seem to cover the core issues with the endding.

The starchild shows up at the very end and in 14 lines changes everything. What happened to ME1? If star child is the Citadel why did Sovereign have to take it over? Why can't we question his flawed logic and so many more questions...

They said nothing but clarification and conclusion. Since it will be a summer release, they have time. This was done to quell the masses tomorrow. Also they probally release more info tomorrow. Also clarification does assume that means clearing the air with the Starchild.

[ravene]

i'll play it since its free and see what its about but i dont think any amount of closer or expanding on the disaster of a) red blue or c) green endings will fix any of it since not one thing you did actually maters in anything other than if shep can take a breath at the end and to get that you have to play mp or use gib editor thank you to the creator of gibbed for that.....

as far as buying any future bioware games in the mass effect univers no that franchise has 0 replay value for me.

time to put bioware in the bargin bin buy list at least by the time they hit bargin bin i can tell from fan reviews and youtube if its worth 20 bucks and has replay value.

[zico291]

Jessica Merizan did have tweet that could mean a glimmer of hope. As I can only get her Jessica Merizan tweets working on my iPod I will quote "Ending is never perfect but Shep/crew reunited is possible".

Maybe just maybe...

[LinksOcarina]

Wildhide wrote...

Pattonesque wrote...

I really liked how the Rachni were integrated into the final battle. All those soldiers swarming over the Reapers really gave me a sense that my decisions mattered, you know? I mean, you guys said a while ago that they'd play a big role in the final battle, and man, you totally delivered. The new DLC isn't going to, say, remove that and reduce the Rachni decision to a simple hundred points of war assets, is it?

You are my hero, sir.  I really don't want to see this get taken out of the ending.  Or me being able to watch my as my Geth and Quarian allies work-side by side to bring down that reaper as I'm fighting my own.  That was such an impressive scene.

The Rachni helped in building the crucible...and the Quarians and Geth were manning ships mostly...

[Anglamite]

SpectreDracon wrote...

Awesomesaur wrote...

TheNevincer wrote...

Dear Bioware,
Give Shepard the choice to defy the Catalyst in the extended cut.

- Sincererly, a Fan.

passionately second that.

- Sincerely, another Fan.

p.s. this is dangerously close to me not buying anything bioware again

Calibrating...

just gonna agree. Give me something GOOD BW.
-Sincerely, America

You CAN defy Starchild. Stand there long enough and you'll get a Critical Mission Failure.

[Dune5712]

Soooooo...we're still stuck with options A, B, or C? Cool. Thanks.

[chester013]

No thanks, can I get my money back now?

[WE_Belisarius]

Persephone wrote...

WE_Belisarius wrote...

BioWare lied again. You did not listen to your fanbase, so I will never again throw my money in your face.
Anyway thanks for this awesome trilogy, I will just the pretend the last 5 minutes did not happen and you can keep your crappy "clarification" DLC.

Where did they lie there? They never promised to change the endings.

And it's FREE. Give it a shot.

They said, they would listen to us
Do you really belive, that some cut scenes and a wall of text can bring any logic and sense to the last 5 minutes? I don´t.
Do you really think, that our choice will play out at the end, like they promised? I don´t
So I will just go with the Indoc Theory, pretend that the writers are genuises and add some scenes with my own imagination and with that, I´m fine.
Maybe I will get some of the upcomming DLCs (still have some BioWare Points left) but after that, they won´t see one penny from me