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[Zuagag]

WE ASKED TO GIVE US A NEW ENDING/ AND WHAT'VE YOU DONE/ YOU WANT ADD SOME VIDEO TO CALM US DOWN? YOU ARE REAL @&*!#)*_+&#ERS?!!!
GIVE US A NEW ENDING I D I O T S!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
PUT YOUR FUN VIDEOS IN YOUR ASSAS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! PEACE!
FROM RUSSIA WITH LOVE

[acidqueen5426]

What makes me most unhappy about this is that Bioware is basically saying:

"You're all so stupid that you don't understand our "artistic vision" and the intent behind our deus ex machina nonsense that THROWS OUT ALL THE DECISIONS YOU MADE OVER ALL THREE GAMES, that we apparently just HAVE to draw you a picture in red, blue, and green crayon so that you finally get what we were going for. Poor stupid gamers, we're just throwing you a bone here."

That is what has me upset. I don't want "closure and clarification" to the bespoke "A, B, or C" ending godsdammit, I want the ending that I was promised, the one that actually takes my decisions into account and doesn't rely on a simple numbers-manipulation!

[Kargsure]

Persephone wrote...

I-AM-KROGAN wrote...

i dont get you guys. You whine that the ending needs more closure and then they add some, yet your still pissed. Its odd.

It's the BSN. Even a free DLC isn't enough.

Don't kid yourself into believing that it's free for any other reason than to give some semblance of creedence to the arguement you just made - this is EA we're talking about after all (and no I don't believe BW will have had any say in the price of the DLC).

Heck the whole press release smacks of nothing more than a PR manouver - by seeming to give in to the "vocal minority" (without really giving much at all), they have now managed to split the community further - from "Liked the Ending" & "Didin't  LIke the Ending" into 3 camps - with the new one being the "They are giving us a DLC wait to see what it it's like before complaining" - while you can't consider the third group to be Positive, it's definitely no longer Negative & I'm sure EA will take Neutral or Undecided over Negative any day.

While I would like to have faith that the Extended Cut DLC will be able to make things better - I just can't see how it can explain away some of the issue I personally have with the current ending(s).

Yes, with extended dialogue between Shepard & the Starbrat (I love that term for the kid btw), it would be possible to explain why the destruction of the Mass Relays by Space Magic doesn't have the same effect that destroying it by other means has (ala the Arrival DLC), it would even be possible to give Shepard enough reasons why those 3 options exist and are the only options available; this will be a much harder task, because none of my Shepards would just accept the flawed logic of the Spacebrat - each of them would argue that the kids logic is flawed and give examples of Edi & the Geth (I can't play an entirely Renagade Shepard, so I can't see a playthrough when I don't save both the Geth & the Quarrians).  Even then, faced with what in my opinion are 3 bad choices, my Shepards would be saying "There's always another way".

I'm willing to suspend my disbelief over the whole why have the citadel at earth, not shutting down the only means to reach the citadel, Anderson getting there first and the place shifting issues, and even to some extent the introduction of the starbrat (though the last grates on me a lots).  The one thing I don't see being solvable is the issue of my crew suddenly being on the Normandy running away from the battle. 

The only plausable explanation for them leaving the sol system, to me at least, is that there is a time delay  between when the reapers leave or are destroyed and when the Magic Space Beam fires into the Mass Relay System, since I don't see Joker or my other companions leaving before the Reapers are defeated; sorry but over the course of 3 games Shepard has had an influence on them and they don't run from a fight just because they might lose. It would take some time for them all to return to the Normandy and then for the Normandy to travel to & through the Mass Relay (we're talking hours not mer seconds or minutes here).   Of course that then begs the question - in that time, why didn't the rest of the massed Galactic forces also make an attempt to get home before the relay system went offline?

[Costin_Razvan]

Honestly, I think Bioware got sick of listening to renegade players complain about getting no rewards, so then gave them the happy ending.

Destroy is not Renegade.

[dgjedde]

There is no fixing Mass Effect 3, or the Mass Effect story as a whole. Bioware is now irrelevant just like Metallica or platform shoes. Let us all say goodbye and move on to games that have good writing and make since. Bioware please proceed into the oblivion you are so proud of.

[Alexraptor1]

What a load of crap, shows how bioware just keeps lying through their teeth with their "were listening" garbage.
They have not listened one bit, or they would not just expand on a fundamentally flawed and horrible ending.

I will not be buying another BioWare game ever again, you have failed both as fans and failed as artists.

[DocDoomII]

Derek Larke wrote...

Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?
No. BioWare strongly believes in the team's artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.

Goodbye. It was fun until it lasted.
Never gonna buy one of your games anymore. Not even gonna pirate it.

[Mathy16]

I hope people will stop complaining that much now... Bioware shows they do listen to their community.
I know I will be happy with this.

[rizuno]

dgjedde wrote...

There is no fixing Mass Effect 3, or the Mass Effect story as a whole. Bioware is now irrelevant just like Metallica or platform shoes. Let us all say goodbye and move on to games that have good writing and make since. Bioware please proceed into the oblivion you are so proud of.

...but...I love platform shoes!!!!

[Thanatos144]

So it boils down to first the angry rage fans say it didn't make sense now that Bioware is going to expand it so you can see why it does they cry your insulting me!!!!! What this truly boils down to is that they believe they are entitled to things they are not. think of the arrogance of these people to tell the CREATORS how their universe is.


Hey peeps all the ME endings were just a choice of a select few things....Most of this games endings happen before you reach the citadel.

But Nooooooo that cant be right cause that would mean that no matter what they dont get to tell the writers how to do their jobs.

[Kargsure]

Amioran wrote...

BrotherWarth wrote...
It's the end of this story. The end of the story the entire trilogy was about. And in 2 of the 3 endings Shepard is dead no matter what. It's the end of the trilogy and Shepard. Why wouldn't I view it as an ending? You're grasping at straws to defend Bioware's stupid decisions.

So Mass Effect it's just about Shepard, is this how you see it? Sorry but I don't agree at all. Shepard is just a protagonist that can die or go in the background, it doesn't matter, when you talk about the "ending" in this case the protagonist is only a part of the whole, not all of it.

As with the church if a pope dies it doesn't mean that the church will end, also if the pope is a cardinal figure in the church. Until the base doesn't crumble the apex can do it as much as it likes.

I don't know why you keep trying to be so obtuse about the issue.   Yes, the Shepard story is set within the larget ME universe, and that universe will go on without Shepard - but this particular trilogy told Shepard's story - and that is the story that is ending with the conclusion of the third game.  The least Bioware could do is have that ending not conflict with the framework of the larger ME Universe they themselves created.

[Zuagag]

WHY DONT ASK PEOPLE WHAT DO THEY WANT. BIOWARE YOU ARE MAKING 2ND MISSTAKE IN 1 YEAR - BAD LUCK. LISTEN TO PEOPLE, FANS, NOT YOUR OWN APPINION. WE ALREADY SAW WHAT YOUR APPINION LOOKS LIKE - ME 3 ending (I mean).

[Dragoonlordz]

SpectreDracon wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

SpectreDracon wrote...

We is everyone who wants the ending changed. It doesn't matter if an indvidual want's closure, reuniting with their LI, refusing the star child. WE are part of the same thing. Take back Mass Effect.

End of story.

You cannot take back what was never yours to begin with. Their IP, their franchise, their creation. You just chose to buy it.

Because of the fans, Bioware was able to get all the feedback, and able to continue the franchise. Are fans not entitled to have a vote? We want Bioware. Not EA Bioware. So to restate my sentance, Give us what's right. Give us what they did with KotOR, Baldur's Gate, ME1. Give us a good ending.

It is very fair to leave feedback, say what it is you would like to see, but it is up to them what feedback they choose to go with or wish to apply in their products. Some like the ending, some wanted clarification and others wanted a rewrite. All three gave feedback, they chose the who liked and who wanted clarification feedbacks as a route they agreed with. Majority/minorities mean very little and if went down what most gamers want route then ME would be and FPS and not 3rd person action / roleplaying titles. All feedback, the ones they choose to go with are the ones inline with how they want to produce their product, their vision for the franchise they own and dependant on what they want to create. People need to accept they don't get everything they want in life just because they want it.

Modifié par Dragoonlordz, 05 avril 2012 - 07:44 .

[Ghost Warrior]

Good call BioWare. Perfect solution.

I knew you guys will make the right choice.

[blaidfiste]

Oh thank you so much BIoware for taking the time to explain your masterpiece Mass Effect ending to me!!! I clearly couldn't understand it based on what was provided thus far. I only hope I'm capable of comprehending such a work of art after the DLC is released!!!

[TMA LIVE]

Wonder if they'll include the trial scene that was cut.

Also, if you're a ME2 LI player, you should try and see if they can squeeze in more ME2 LI content. Like maybe emails, or the ME2 picture scene recreated for ME2 Li's.

[SpectreDracon]

Dragoonlordz wrote...

SpectreDracon wrote...

Dragoonlordz wrote...

SpectreDracon wrote...

We is everyone who wants the ending changed. It doesn't matter if an indvidual want's closure, reuniting with their LI, refusing the star child. WE are part of the same thing. Take back Mass Effect.

End of story.

You cannot take back what was never yours to begin with. Their IP, their franchise, their creation. You just chose to buy it.

Because of the fans, Bioware was able to get all the feedback, and able to continue the franchise. Are fans not entitled to have a vote? We want Bioware. Not EA Bioware. So to restate my sentance, Give us what's right. Give us what they did with KotOR, Baldur's Gate, ME1. Give us a good ending.

It is very fair to leave feedback, say what it is you would like to see, but it is up to them what feedbck they choose to go with or wish to apply. Some like the ending, some wanted clarification and others wanted a rewrite. All three gave feedback, they chose the who liked and who wanted clarification feedbacks as a route they agreed with. Majority/minorities mean very little and if went down what most gamers want route then ME would be and FPS and not 3rd person action / roleplaying titles. All feedback, the ones they choose to go with are the ones inline with how they want to produce their product, their vision for the franchise they own and dependant on what they want to create. People need to accept they don't get everything they want in life just because they want it.

I respect what you are saying, but remember, a lot of these don't just want it. They were told that they would get it.

[Jarl Johnnie Walker]

SpectreDracon wrote...

Garrus calibrations wrote...

Yeah, bioware just lost A LOT of fans. Out of all the happily ever after endings that has happened in my life THIS is one of the things I actually WANT happily ever after. ****ING MUTANT BABIES WITH GARRUS! So me convincing the geth and quarians to fight with each other was a total waste of time. Bull****.

^
This guy. Speaks truth.

This gal speaks the truth. :3

[DiegoRaphael]

acidqueen5426 wrote...

What makes me most unhappy about this is that Bioware is basically saying:

"You're all so stupid that you don't understand our "artistic vision" and the intent behind our deus ex machina nonsense that THROWS OUT ALL THE DECISIONS YOU MADE OVER ALL THREE GAMES, that we apparently just HAVE to draw you a picture in red, blue, and green crayon so that you finally get what we were going for. Poor stupid gamers, we're just throwing you a bone here."

That is what has me upset. I don't want "closure and clarification" to the bespoke "A, B, or C" ending godsdammit, I want the ending that I was promised, the one that actually takes my decisions into account and doesn't rely on a simple numbers-manipulation!

This. This Elcor understand.

[Static Veins]

ratzerman wrote...

Sure, Shepard can see Liara again. She just has to live with the guilt of killing EDI and the Geth. No big deal.

That strikes me as the point. With this inclusion of an epilogue (going off of the tweets posted earlier) where Shepard meets his crew again and be 'happy', BioWare have changed the dynamic of the ending to what Mass Effect is all about - Paragon vs. Renegade.

Now it's about a choice of either sacrificing yourself and never seeing your friends again and saving everyone you can (blue & green) or keeping yourself alive at the cost of the lives of all synthetic life, most of which you have just made sentient, providing you made that choice (red).

Don't know about anyone else, but that spin on it has improved the ending 10-fold for me, especially if we now will get to see the outcome of those choices. It's the most basic paragon/renegade choice - save yourself or save others. I'll be interested to see how many people who whined that they couldn't have a happy ending will go renegade so their Shepard can be happy. Now it makes even more sense why the colours were swapped in the ending, with the Illusive Man's control idea being blue and the destroy option red. God damn.

Modifié par Static Veins, 05 avril 2012 - 07:46 .

[AtreiyaN7]

Kindliche wrote...

sean10mm wrote...

Derek Larke wrote...

So there you have it. Are we proud of the game we made and the team that made it? Hell yes. Are we going to change the ending of the game? No. Do we appreciate the passion and listen to the feedback delivered to us by our fans? Very much so and we are responding.

Serious question for Bioware folks: are any of you capable of addressing your customers without being insultingly patronizing? 

They aren't it seems. Every comment has been has been very condesending. 

Not really - you're reading that into their words because you want it to be so. Anything they say that doesn't include caving in to your collective demands and fawning over you all seems to qualify as condescending and patronizing by default. *rolleyes*

[SpectreDracon]

Garrus calibrations wrote...

SpectreDracon wrote...

Garrus calibrations wrote...

Yeah, bioware just lost A LOT of fans. Out of all the happily ever after endings that has happened in my life THIS is one of the things I actually WANT happily ever after. ****ING MUTANT BABIES WITH GARRUS! So me convincing the geth and quarians to fight with each other was a total waste of time. Bull****.

^
This guy. Speaks truth.

This gal speaks the truth. :3

haha, yeh only noticed you were a gal after checking your prof. then again, I couldve assumed, but oh well. You speak da truth.

[AdamGreene13]

TheNevincer wrote...

Dear Bioware,
Give Shepard the choice to defy the Catalyst in the extended cut.

- Sincererly, a Fan.

Seriously, Bioware. This is all you have to do. If you don't understand this, then you have not been listening.