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Thanatos144 wrote...

SomeKindaEnigma wrote...

Very fitting that this is announced the day after EA is named the worst company in America. And wasn't an announcement first originally planned for tomorrow?

I am sure they became one of the largest game companies ion the world by
making crappy games..........Because it makes money means it is opposite
of a bad company...


EA does not make games, they own those that do.  Worst Company does not equal product crap, equals Worst Company.  They handle things terribly, they do everything in their power to suck money, etc.  

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well bioware u clearly dont give a damn about my opinion. all i asked was for you add one happy ending and fill in the plot holes. i did not ask for you to change the endings that were already there or anything crazy to destroy your so called "artistic integrity". you gave the pessimist their unhappy endings and all i asked was for you to do the same for the optimist and give us our happy endings. according to your latest post you have decided to say to hell with the happy endings and the plot holes are still on the ropes. so here is what i am going to do for you bioware. i will play your so called fill in the plot hole dlc because it is free and i have already bought the game and after that i will say to hell with you and your parent company ea. you will never recieve another penny from me. thank you for time and have a nice day.

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death_for_sale wrote...

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As someone else said, free garbage is still garbage.

Even this thread demonstrates that a majority want the ending fixed, not clarified.

You're not listening, BioWare.


Erm, what's the difference?


The god-child and colors are in the clarified version.


Oh wait, I think I know what you were trying to say now - you mean you want MORE endings, not for the existing endings to be fixed.


If only Bioware recognized this as fast as you did.


Yeah, well, personally I want them to fix the endings through clarification; not by adding more endings. 

Quite a few people on here seem to think we are all one big group who have the same opinion on what we disliked about the endings, but clearly people have different issues with it.

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So, how will they explain that the whole galaxy won't go down the drain? With all main planets severly damaged, the major part of the galactic fleet traped inside Sol and all Mass Relays destroyed, cutting off all colonies depending on incoming goods to survive. Because that's my main point, deciding if the Mass Effect Series is dead to me or not. Prequels would become uninteresting as in the end nothing will matter and sequels would be "MassOut" or "FallEffect" (Ok those might actually be interesting but i think they stated they only want to go the Prequel route).


Given the fact that all Mass Relays will stay destroyed, since the actual endings will not be changed, if you choose the Control or Synthesis ending it would mean that you could travel to planets in your system or system area. You would not be able to travel to planets or system arms that required the Relays.

However, in the +1 ending, we find that people are stuck on their planet still, no matter which ending you chose. Because even though you have the technology to create Mass Effect Drives in two of the 'endings', you never did create them.

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That is who can beat Reaper

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You know, this is one of those moments I truely wish to be proven wrong. Because honestly, right now I don't have high hopes for this.
I appreciate the gesture, but I can't see that some cutscenes at the end will fix the chaotic mess that is the complete ending. Everything after the Cerberus Base just feels so wrong, like we've gone from the ME universe to a completely different dimension.
And don't even get me started on Kevin-alone-at-the-Citadel. You don't build up an epic conflict over three games with arguably the greatest villains in videogame history and then at the last second introduce such a crucial character. You just don't do that.

So, as much as I would love clarification and closure as long as the ending stands as it is now, it will probabely fail.
I think Jeff Dunham's Peanut said it best: Polish a turd, it's still a turd.

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To be honest this feels weird. they start out telling us something that feels like this has been in the works al along just that they are pushing it forward to make us shut up as we dont get their brilliance. guess this is basicly what was expected but cant really blame em.

so basicly for me this free dlc bs mainly feels like something that was gonna be done anyways but is now beeing pushed ahead of schedule to make us shut up and stop chrashing sales. also of course they will release some other dlc before this that costs us money just to cash in abit more.

after that we might get abit of epiolouge telling us everyone is happy and joyfull showing us just how much they listen cause honestly isnt happy dappy just what we al have been craving for so long.

I just hope im wrong but this is bb for me will check here from time to time mainly to c if im right bout this. summer will be the judge i guess. but something tells me bio listend not to us but the ones bashing us and gave us what the other side accused us of wanting.

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This announcement is like Bioware is punching me in the face a second time (the first time being when the credits rolled after the ending and I felt like I was in a nightmare that wouldn't end). Bioware, please don't try to explain to me why you chose the profoundly disappointing ending that you did (because I don't care), why you think it makes sense within the broader context of the story (because it doesn't, it really just doesn't), and PLEASE don't give me cutscenes that make this situation even worse than it already is. I appreciate you trying to fill in the gaping plotholes with a few cinematic moments, but keeping the ending as it is (without offering ANY changes to it, much less alternate endings or a do-over) is and will always be a complete dishonor to the franchise. I cannot conceive of a universe worth becoming attached to in which the story ends that way, even if I know the specifics about how, or even why, it ended that way.

Listen to your fans. We're not asking for that much, and frankly I find it embarassing and painful to keep hearing that you want to maintain your "artistic vision" or "artistic integrity" when I truly failed to see any of that in the ending to begin with. Drop the needless devotion to your artistic whatever, and be open-minded about a more personalized, narratively coherent, and meaningful ending to such an amazing story.

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So Shepard is still getting a lobotomisation therapy in the end :crying:.

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rizuno wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

rizuno wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

rizuno wrote...

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 Cause you are the expert on what others think are artistic huh????????


I remember you.  :devil:


Because, of course, you are the Artistic Expert sent to us from Above.
/sarcasm

Nope Art is subjective to who is experiencing it.


You just invalidated your own previous point.  I'm not, you're not, nobody is.  It's all personal opinion, like the quotes you attacked above.  

No it doesn't cause no one said you had to like it or are entitled to demand they change it.

0.o  ?  That makes no sense...if you could please...clarify...for me, if you can.  If not...you may need an entirely different sentence there.  

Apparently there is a reason some need the extended ending.

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Well, congrats Bioware. You have officially lost a customer and long-time fan. You will never receive another penny from me, and I shall besmirch your name any chance I get.

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Yeah, well, personally I want them to fix the endings through clarification; not by adding more endings. 

Quite a few people on here seem to think we are all one big group who have the same opinion on what we disliked about the endings, but clearly people have different issues with it.



A fine point you made. You have my agreement.

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AtreiyaN7 wrote...

rizuno wrote...

"An official press release went out today announcing how we are re-prioritizing the Mass Effect 3 post release content schedule to provide a more fleshed out experience for our fans. For many of you the “Extended Cut” will help answer some questions and give closure to this chapter of the Mass Effect story. Oh and it’s at no cost to you – the fan."

That sounds pretty damn condescending to me.  


No, it doesn't unless you're primed to take offense at every single thing they say. A lot of people asked for closure and clarification, and a lot of people have been wondering if the DLC were going to be free or not. Sorry if you don't like them not being suitably apologetic, meek, subservient, humble or whatever else it was you were looking for.

I'm getting the impression that some people will only be satisfied if BioWare were bowing and scraping before them, begging for forgiveness for the sin of not doing exactly what they demand.



I agree. I remember when the endings were first released, THE two words on the majority's lips seemed to be 'closure' and 'clarification'.  Why are my squaddies on the Normandy when they should be on Earth? Wtf is Joker doing? What's this planet and how do they all survive? Were the Relays really destroyed? What happens to the galaxy after the end of ME3? Is there any chance that my Shep can be reunited with his/her friends? I think that's all stuff that we can reasonably expect to be explained in this dlc. Why would that be so unacceptable? I don't like the Starchild any more than most people, but I can get past that (it isn't as though it's the first videogame with a bit of a naff ending) if the above questions are answered, and in a way that doesn't ask me to fork out any more cash.

Somewhere along the line, it seems to have changed to 'We Demand A Complete Rewrite Of Everything We Didn't Like (Which Is Everything About The Ending), And Anything Less Will Lead To Eternal Hatred'. Which, I'll be honest, I'm finding a little bit unreasonable. Sorry :crying: 

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Seriously BW, go with the Indoctrination Theory and tell everybody to hang on tight for ME4. MAKE THAT CLEAR.

Otherwise you're kinda crapping on your own franchise/fanbase.

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rizuno wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

SomeKindaEnigma wrote...

Very fitting that this is announced the day after EA is named the worst company in America. And wasn't an announcement first originally planned for tomorrow?

I am sure they became one of the largest game companies ion the world by
making crappy games..........Because it makes money means it is opposite
of a bad company...


EA does not make games, they own those that do.  Worst Company does not equal product crap, equals Worst Company.  They handle things terribly, they do everything in their power to suck money, etc.  

Actuallly they are the ones who do make the games....The other produce them they dont stamp them or distribute them. Thney also bankrolled the producers so the game can be made......Kind of like how you got ME2

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When I first read "Extended Cut", I thought this would be a special edition of the game. So disappointed that it's just DLC. I'll try to wait until the videos show up on youtube before getting too annoyed that players with no online connections to their consoles, like myself, won't have this available to them. If the clarification is nothing good, I won't care about missing out this time. If Jessica Merizan's post about the ending content is true... then I'm glad, but will have to wait until I can afford a gaming PC to get a happy ending, since it depends on being able to use downloads and multiplayer for high EMS.

I guess I'm not completely optimistic or pessimistic about it at this point. Just skeptical, and waiting.

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Holy crap! So, you are telling me that the four playthroughs I've done were for nothing!?

I defended you in these forums where I felt necessary, Bioware. I even continued to place my faith and trust in you. With your little FAQ there, you have crushed it all in one fell swoop.

All I can say is that you have screwed yourself out of any possible SP DLC purchases from me in the future. What would be the point if it's just going to be the same old ending crap in the end? We'll see what PAX brings on to the table, but I won't hold my breath.

Wow. Hope you're happy with your 'artistic integrity', cause it possibly just lost you a long time fan. And, sure, I may be only one person, but I really doubt I'm alone.

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JasmoVT wrote...

Estelindis wrote...

Kargsure wrote...

Any good market researcher will tell you that the polls that have been done (and not just on BSN btw) show that this isn't just a vocal minority.  Speaking to someone that works for a Market Research company I was informed that assuming 1.5 million copies of the game were sold then a poll only requires a sample size of just 750 people to reflect the whole.  I would think that a poll with over 10,000 responses more than covers the 750.  In addition webpolls are considered to have a 20% margin of error.

From this, and a poll where over 90% of people said they disliked the ending - we can extrapolate that over 70% of people that bought the game disliked the ending - hardly a minority.  

Thank you for this post.  It was very educational!

However, I wonder how poll analysis accounts for the fact that the BSN most likely consists of players who are more fervant than the average player?



Sorry Kargsure but you are missing an important concept. The kind of sample size data you are quoting assumes a random polling drawn from all registered game users. (Closer to 3 million than 1.5 by the way) A voluntary poll or a poll limited to a certain group active on a given site is absolutely meaningless. So far I have seen no polls drawn randomly from all owners and most polls I have seen are biased in the structuring of the questions.

I am making no conclusion about how unhappy fans are, I am saying the data we have proves nothing one way or another.


I'm not missing that concept at all - it is this very concept that makes the margin of error on web polls so much larger than telephone polls.  I will accept your 3 million figure however, as I wasn't entirely sure about the 1.5 million it was just a figure I had seen somewhere - but even 3 million only requires a sample size of 1500 respondants.   I do agree that some polls have been biased in the way the question but there's only so many ways that you can ask if people liked the ending or wanted it changed.  While I can't remember where I saw it, I do recall one poll (on another site where the question was set by the site, rather than being a user generated poll such as those on BSN), where I thought the question and possible responses were about as unbiased as was possible to obtain, and still over 90% of respondants said they wanted the ending changed, with over 85% giving a straight yes, and another 5% or so (can't remember the exact number but between 5 & 10%) saying yes with conditions.  You would need a margin of error in excess of 40% to make that 90% into a minority.

I'm happy to concede that the bias still remains however, and that it's difficult to conclusively say that an overwhelming majority of people want the ending changed, however I am tired of hearing this group described as just the "vocal minority".

As an aside, of those that said no to changing the ending, more than half said they didn't like the ending but didn't want to see it changed, Leaving just a few % saying they liked the ending.  I have no issues with those that do like it - they are entitled to that opinion, just as I am entitled to respectfully disagree with them - it would be a bland old world if we were all the same after all.

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SomeKindaEnigma wrote...

Very fitting that this is announced the day after EA is named the worst company in America. And wasn't an announcement first originally planned for tomorrow?


Hmm... interesting. I already regretted purchasing FIFA 12 and Bugfield 2. Now they've ruined [one of] my favorite franchises. I vow never to purchase another EA product again.

Not that it will make a difference because of the legions [of ignorants?] who spend $60 for a new copy of Madden every year.

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Thanatos144 wrote...

SomeKindaEnigma wrote...

Very fitting that this is announced the day after EA is named the worst company in America. And wasn't an announcement first originally planned for tomorrow?

I am sure they became one of the largest game companies ion the world by
making crappy games..........Because it makes money means it is opposite
of a bad company...


No, they find companies that make good games and have a good fan following, buy those companies and start churning out sequels until the company loses it's fanbase. Then they give it a bullet to the head like Origin Systems, Bullfrog, Maxis, Westwood, Mythic, just to name a few...

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Derek Larke wrote... (abridged version)
**** you.
 


I see.
Goodbye now.

Modifié par woodbyte, 05 avril 2012 - 08:29 .


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Personally I'd like a lot less "artistic integrity" from BioWare and a lot more actual integrity :?

Modifié par Accism, 05 avril 2012 - 08:29 .


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theBlindSniper wrote...

SomeKindaEnigma wrote...

Very fitting that this is announced the day after EA is named the worst company in America. And wasn't an announcement first originally planned for tomorrow?


Hmm... interesting. I already regretted purchasing FIFA 12 and Bugfield 2. Now they've ruined [one of] my favorite franchises. I vow never to purchase another EA product again.

Not that it will make a difference because of the legions [of ignorants?] who spend $60 for a new copy of Madden every year.

ha! made my laught true that.

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I approve this. How about the face bug patch...?

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Why are there two stickied threads on the same topic?