Look, clarification means nothing. If I said I could accurately describe whether a hitherto unknown sample of fecal matter came from a dog, a cow, or a horse, it wouldn't matter how much detail I go into. At the end of the day, it's still a piece of crap.
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#1002
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 08:32
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Hi Bioware and EA,
I guess it's come to this. Let me be the first to offer something new here that I think you might be interested in.
Bioware, you love the ending. Great. I don't believe you, but whatever. This is all your artistic integrity will allow you to do. Fantastic.
But.
I hate the three endings. They really, really screw up the overall game experience for me. Every Bioware game I've ever bought I've immediately played over a second time...to see what I can make different.. to see what I've missed... to see how the endings change... Ahem.
This time I didn't. I'm bummed out. Not because the ending is sad or because Shepard dies in all of them, but because the ending is just dumb, out of nowhere, and doesn't fit the narrative arc or character that I've created. In short, it sucks.
So here's the olive branch. I thought nothing at all about paying whatever it was for Kasumi in ME2 ($5? $10? I don't remember). I got a couple of new weapons and a character I barely ever used, but I did it and would do it again.
Same with the Day one DLC in ME3.. I spent $10 on it and it had no real value to the endgame. It made the story richer, but really I didn't use Javik very much either and won't if I do play through again.
So you're giving us free DLC to clarify the ending that none of us want. Thanks, I guess. I'll certainly download it and check it out. I don't have a lot of high hopes though.
BUT, how about, now hear me out here, you make ANOTHER DLC ending that we all actually want? Since I've already paid $15-20 for characters I barely use and another $5-10 in the first game for a shooting gallery game I played through once, I would pay that same amount to watch the Shepard character that my in-game decisions helped create that actually acts like himself in the final moments of the game.
I want DLC for an ending where Shepard can turn to the Catalyst kid and tell him in no uncertain terms to go **** himself. Then I want to watch the final battle play out between the reapers and the united galaxy forces and, depending on my war assets, have a chance to actually win. That would be great. That would be worth $10 to me and have a lot more value in my Mass Effect experience than Javick, Kasumi and whatever Omega assault DLC you're planning and have your fingers crossed that people will buy. Right now I bet you're really sweating that one.
New ending DLC would cost money to create. Voice acting and the rest. I get that. You made a choice with the original game and it was a bad one to be sure, but it's there and you're not going to change it. So do this one for the money. Rake that DLC money in on the "alternate ending"
There's nothing wrong with that. You've even already done it before in Dragon Age: Origins with the Darkspawn DLC. You know the alternate story where I played as the Hurlock and chopped my way through the Gray Wardens and helped take over the kingdom. That was a lot of fun. I totally paid money for it. A lot of us did.
You even did it again with the Witchunter Dragon Age: Origins DLC. A lot of us wanted to play out the search for Morrigan. You gave that to us. We paid for it. You made money. Awesome.
So view this as an alternate ending. A "fan feedback" ending. If you talk openly about what went into making it, the writing, the design, the voice actors, the complaints about paying for it will be minimal I think. It's doesn't seem a lot to do to make $10 per currently unsatisfied customer. Plus, a lot of people who like the current endings would probably try that one out too. Imagine if all those 890,000 day one buyers bought that $10 alternate ending DLC. That's $8.9 million dollars.
So, to sum up. I give up on free fix DLC. I'm willing to pay for alternate ending DLC and most of us, complaints or no, will be too. So why not make it. I know of nearly $9 million reasons to do it.
Thanks
Adam
I guess it's come to this. Let me be the first to offer something new here that I think you might be interested in.
Bioware, you love the ending. Great. I don't believe you, but whatever. This is all your artistic integrity will allow you to do. Fantastic.
But.
I hate the three endings. They really, really screw up the overall game experience for me. Every Bioware game I've ever bought I've immediately played over a second time...to see what I can make different.. to see what I've missed... to see how the endings change... Ahem.
This time I didn't. I'm bummed out. Not because the ending is sad or because Shepard dies in all of them, but because the ending is just dumb, out of nowhere, and doesn't fit the narrative arc or character that I've created. In short, it sucks.
So here's the olive branch. I thought nothing at all about paying whatever it was for Kasumi in ME2 ($5? $10? I don't remember). I got a couple of new weapons and a character I barely ever used, but I did it and would do it again.
Same with the Day one DLC in ME3.. I spent $10 on it and it had no real value to the endgame. It made the story richer, but really I didn't use Javik very much either and won't if I do play through again.
So you're giving us free DLC to clarify the ending that none of us want. Thanks, I guess. I'll certainly download it and check it out. I don't have a lot of high hopes though.
BUT, how about, now hear me out here, you make ANOTHER DLC ending that we all actually want? Since I've already paid $15-20 for characters I barely use and another $5-10 in the first game for a shooting gallery game I played through once, I would pay that same amount to watch the Shepard character that my in-game decisions helped create that actually acts like himself in the final moments of the game.
I want DLC for an ending where Shepard can turn to the Catalyst kid and tell him in no uncertain terms to go **** himself. Then I want to watch the final battle play out between the reapers and the united galaxy forces and, depending on my war assets, have a chance to actually win. That would be great. That would be worth $10 to me and have a lot more value in my Mass Effect experience than Javick, Kasumi and whatever Omega assault DLC you're planning and have your fingers crossed that people will buy. Right now I bet you're really sweating that one.
New ending DLC would cost money to create. Voice acting and the rest. I get that. You made a choice with the original game and it was a bad one to be sure, but it's there and you're not going to change it. So do this one for the money. Rake that DLC money in on the "alternate ending"
There's nothing wrong with that. You've even already done it before in Dragon Age: Origins with the Darkspawn DLC. You know the alternate story where I played as the Hurlock and chopped my way through the Gray Wardens and helped take over the kingdom. That was a lot of fun. I totally paid money for it. A lot of us did.
You even did it again with the Witchunter Dragon Age: Origins DLC. A lot of us wanted to play out the search for Morrigan. You gave that to us. We paid for it. You made money. Awesome.
So view this as an alternate ending. A "fan feedback" ending. If you talk openly about what went into making it, the writing, the design, the voice actors, the complaints about paying for it will be minimal I think. It's doesn't seem a lot to do to make $10 per currently unsatisfied customer. Plus, a lot of people who like the current endings would probably try that one out too. Imagine if all those 890,000 day one buyers bought that $10 alternate ending DLC. That's $8.9 million dollars.
So, to sum up. I give up on free fix DLC. I'm willing to pay for alternate ending DLC and most of us, complaints or no, will be too. So why not make it. I know of nearly $9 million reasons to do it.
Thanks
Adam
#1003
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 08:33
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From what I've gathered about the ending without finishing it yet *gulp*, it lacks decisions creating significantly different outcomes. Like the ME1 and 2. This DLC kind of says we care, but not that much. Something so little should be free, it doesn't change what happens.
At least they are trying to appease fans, I haven't gotten anything for buying from Origin and not getting the Shotgun DLC that was advertised with my purchase, only an apology which EA is using a lot theses days.
At least they are trying to appease fans, I haven't gotten anything for buying from Origin and not getting the Shotgun DLC that was advertised with my purchase, only an apology which EA is using a lot theses days.
#1004
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 08:34
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I'm intrigued to see what the DLC will add to the ending. I was always fine with the *concept* of the ending, I just thought it stumbled on *execution*. I mean, I see how it conflicts with in-game lore, but overall with some polish and some idea of what the heck happened to everyone else I'll be content with the story as-is.
'Course, adopting the indoctrination theory would've made me much more willing to buy SP DLC, but I'm not boycotting the company or anything because of how the game ended. Having a brother who worked as a game programmer, I know how rare it is for a company to release additional content like this, for free, and I just wanted to express my thanks.
I do wish my imported FemShep wasn't so ugly, though.
Disclaimer: I'm playing a ton of multiplayer on Xbox Live, I still got the "perfect" ending with the default 50% galactic readiness, and I liked Dragon Age 2 more than I did DA1 (bought the DLC and everything!). So take my opinion as you will, but I still feel like I got my money's worth out of the Collector's Edition.
'Course, adopting the indoctrination theory would've made me much more willing to buy SP DLC, but I'm not boycotting the company or anything because of how the game ended. Having a brother who worked as a game programmer, I know how rare it is for a company to release additional content like this, for free, and I just wanted to express my thanks.
I do wish my imported FemShep wasn't so ugly, though.
Disclaimer: I'm playing a ton of multiplayer on Xbox Live, I still got the "perfect" ending with the default 50% galactic readiness, and I liked Dragon Age 2 more than I did DA1 (bought the DLC and everything!). So take my opinion as you will, but I still feel like I got my money's worth out of the Collector's Edition.
#1005
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 08:34
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Accism wrote...
Personally I'd like a lot less "artistic integrity" from BioWare and a lot more actual integrity
AMEN
#1006
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 08:35
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This is exactly what I feared. More "clarification" of their garbage ending (again, singular) for us poor peons who don't understand their greatness.
Honestly, they're taking this whole thing the same way a mediocre-to-bad artist on Deviantart takes criticism. Making something awful and then hiding behind "but it's art!" is just cringe-worthy and makes me flabbergasted that these are somehow the same people that made some of my favorite games ever. Apparently the "we want an ending that makes any goddamn sense and has less fallacies, plot holes, and lore wrecking" complaint has fallen on completely, and *willingly* deaf ears.
So thanks for listening to feedback, Bioware! I mean, you only listened to *your own* feedback about how the ending is awesome and people just don't get it, but yeah, great job.
Honestly, they're taking this whole thing the same way a mediocre-to-bad artist on Deviantart takes criticism. Making something awful and then hiding behind "but it's art!" is just cringe-worthy and makes me flabbergasted that these are somehow the same people that made some of my favorite games ever. Apparently the "we want an ending that makes any goddamn sense and has less fallacies, plot holes, and lore wrecking" complaint has fallen on completely, and *willingly* deaf ears.
So thanks for listening to feedback, Bioware! I mean, you only listened to *your own* feedback about how the ending is awesome and people just don't get it, but yeah, great job.
#1007
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 08:36
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Hah. They admitted that Bioware has just been reduced to a label for EA to slap on products. We already knew it when they said Bioware was developing C&C Generals 2, but for them to come out and say it speaks volumes about the amount of control EA has over Bioware. They OWN them, like Coca-cola owns Dr. Pepper, Mello Yello, and Sprite. They have different names, but one group is calling all the shots.
#1008
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 08:38
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A little seasoning won't make **** worth tasting.
#1009
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 08:38
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Heather Cline wrote...
I hate the endings BioWare. This is not what the majority of the retake movement wanted. We wanted what you promised. Multiple varying endings that were affected by our choices throughout ME1-2 and 3 to the finale. Instead you give us this 'artistic vision' and 'artistic integrity' bull. Fact is you lost all right to artistic whatever when you put out this game in it's current form. There are so many bugs, issues and so on the game is horrible in it's current state.
You made promises you didn't keep. I've been pretty civil up until this point but frankly what you've done is assassinated Shepard and her/his character over all and invalidated the first 2 games along with everything you did in the 3rd game up until the AI child. You've sold out and you don't give a damned about us as you claim. You DID NOT listen to us, you just claimed you did. You will lose a lot of customers and fans over this. I hope you are proud of yourselves because you've lost me and I will be telling everyone about how you don't care about those you claim to listen to.
Yeah I'm going to spread bad PR about you until the the cows come home to coin a phrase. I think that and the other disgruntled fans will continue to do so will make sure your name is tarnished for good.
You could have made a DLC pack with the extended ending for those who wanted closure and included the other options as well. Instead we get this PR move and frankly I hate your company. Have fun. I'm done with you.
I agree with the above poster .... I mean come on. A day after EA's name is dragged through the mud when it was voted worst company in a poll by a consumer web site. They do this, yeah if you wanted to make nice ..make nice. But dont pity **** us by this announcement becasue the timing stinks.
It looks like a PR grab like EA makes good with Bioware audence, day after name is ran through mud. A blaiant PR grab like this makes me sick. If they want to try to assault with "good publicity" I say .. Have a great assault ..Jerk(s)
#1010
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 08:39
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ummm so? You think you would like the ending any more if lucas arts owned them?bleachorange wrote...
Hah. They admitted that Bioware has just been reduced to a label for EA to slap on products. We already knew it when they said Bioware was developing C&C Generals 2, but for them to come out and say it speaks volumes about the amount of control EA has over Bioware. They OWN them, like Coca-cola owns Dr. Pepper, Mello Yello, and Sprite. They have different names, but one group is calling all the shots.
#1011
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 08:39
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Persephone wrote...
LinksOcarina wrote...
Persephone wrote...
I-AM-KROGAN wrote...
i dont get you guys. You whine that the ending needs more closure and then they add some, yet your still pissed. Its odd.
It's the BSN. Even a free DLC isn't enough.
This is also why most of the journalism industry calls them entitled.
I have avoided that as much as possible, but I see it now clearly...and its pathetic.
I understand being wary. Even the suspicion.
But the flat out REFUSAL to at least give this DLC a chance....
WOW.
In defence of the people that are as you describe refusing to give the DLC a chance, it's not like the press release is doing a very good job of selling the DLC - the fanbase is already upset over the issue, so putting out what comes across, to some at least, as a very condecending press release, that appears to offer very little of substance with regards to adressing many of the issues (some) people have with the current ending was hardly the best idea.
Personally I'm willing to give the DLC a chance - I'm just not sure the proposed DLC (based on how I read the press release), goes far enough to address the specific issues myself, and others have with the current ending.
With that in mind, I will continue to request a better solution, since waiting until after the DLC is released is pointless as they won't change the ending a third time if they stuff up this DLC. I will be waiting a few days however to see if further clarification of the DLC is made at PAX.
#1012
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 08:40
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I know that i will be taking a wait and see approach to this dlc. While i still feel that the endings as they are now leave to many things unexplained. And given comments made by development team in the weeks leading up to launch were short of being fulfilled "no abc" "no off button forthe reapers" etc. i would have personally been fine with just a DAO kind of epilogue for the original ending. But hopefully this dlc does fill in those plotholes the existing ending does have.I am not holding out hope one way or the other though. Burn me on Da2 then ME3. Tends to make me skeptical one way or the other. heres hoping its good though. And the fact that it is free is definitely a plus on the positive side of things though.
#1013
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 08:40
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Exactly and I still dont get how the hell do they have the marbles to be so goddamm ignorant, and throw that cheapy excuse ofRandom Geth wrote...
This is exactly what I feared. More "clarification" of their garbage ending (again, singular) for us poor peons who don't understand their greatness.
Honestly, they're taking this whole thing the same way a mediocre-to-bad artist on Deviantart takes criticism. Making something awful and then hiding behind "but it's art!" is just cringe-worthy and makes me flabbergasted that these are somehow the same people that made some of my favorite games ever. Apparently the "we want an ending that makes any goddamn sense and has less fallacies, plot holes, and lore wrecking" complaint has fallen on completely, and *willingly* deaf ears.
So thanks for listening to feedback, Bioware! I mean, you only listened to *your own* feedback about how the ending is awesome and people just don't get it, but yeah, great job.
artistic vision, where is the Bioware of Baldurs Gate 1 & 2, Icewindale, Planet Scape Torment? Oh wait it's BiowEA, a company that's on a leash, that siimply doing what ea wants and nothing more, or better term a dying cash cow.
#1014
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 08:40
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Thanatos144 wrote...
Apparently there is a reason some need the extended ending.rizuno wrote...
0.o ? That makes no sense...if you could please...clarify...for me, if you can. If not...you may need an entirely different sentence there.Thanatos144 wrote...
No it doesn't cause no one said you had to like it or are entitled to demand they change it.rizuno wrote...
Thanatos144 wrote...
Nope Art is subjective to who is experiencing it.rizuno wrote...
Thanatos144 wrote...
Cause you are the expert on what others think are artistic huh????????
I remember you.
Because, of course, you are the Artistic Expert sent to us from Above.
/sarcasm
You just invalidated your own previous point. I'm not, you're not, nobody is. It's all personal opinion, like the quotes you attacked above.
And from 'artistic integrity' we jump to 'ur toostuuupd to get ending'.
What a shock.
#1015
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 08:40
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Keep your crap Bioware. We are done with each other. I would like to tell you what i realy think, under the right of art. But i wont, you arent even worth my anger anymore. You will continue loosing your fanbase, good luck in the future. You will need it.
#1016
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 08:41
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Good thing I spent 10 years and godchild knows how many dollars on you guys just to get a giant f-ing middle finger. Right back at ya. I'm out.
#1017
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 08:41
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Well, when I first finished the game, all I thought was "it needed an epilogue". The more it stewed, the more I realized how broken the entire last couple hours were. They simply can't fix a climax that sputters out as much as the one they threw together for ME3. It would take too much work, and possibly the kind of talent they simply don't have anymore.
Sucks most for the people who have subscribed to the indoctrination theory, which really could have launched this from one of the worst endings of all time to one of the best. I knew you guys were giving BioWare too much credit, though. In their current state, I just can't believe they'd be up to the task of creating such a genius plot.
At the end of the day I don't know what to feel. Knowing now that we were meant to take that ending at face value... what the hell, guys? The fans threw together better endings in the wake of that disaster within hours of their initial soul-crushing disappointment. Don't know what's going on internally over there, but I don't think I'll be singing your praises for much longer. At this point, I honestly feel stupid for being such a dedicated fan of this franchise for so long.
My level of love for this series rivaled my love for the Metal Gear Solid series. The difference is that Kojima gave us a magnificent finale in MGS4, delivering a masterful sendoff fitting of a man of Solid Snake's caliber. I was willing to wake up before dawn to wait in line for hours just to shake Kojima's hand and get his autograph. Can't say I'd do the same for you. You sputtered and burned when we, the fans, and Shepard needed you to deliver the most.
Critical mission failure.
Sucks most for the people who have subscribed to the indoctrination theory, which really could have launched this from one of the worst endings of all time to one of the best. I knew you guys were giving BioWare too much credit, though. In their current state, I just can't believe they'd be up to the task of creating such a genius plot.
At the end of the day I don't know what to feel. Knowing now that we were meant to take that ending at face value... what the hell, guys? The fans threw together better endings in the wake of that disaster within hours of their initial soul-crushing disappointment. Don't know what's going on internally over there, but I don't think I'll be singing your praises for much longer. At this point, I honestly feel stupid for being such a dedicated fan of this franchise for so long.
My level of love for this series rivaled my love for the Metal Gear Solid series. The difference is that Kojima gave us a magnificent finale in MGS4, delivering a masterful sendoff fitting of a man of Solid Snake's caliber. I was willing to wake up before dawn to wait in line for hours just to shake Kojima's hand and get his autograph. Can't say I'd do the same for you. You sputtered and burned when we, the fans, and Shepard needed you to deliver the most.
Critical mission failure.
#1018
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 08:41
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Ah yes, "Some fans". Bioware has dismissed their claims.
We are marginalized again and again, then condemned with sweeping generalizations by Bioware/EA and those who cling to their legs for a pat on the head or to stick to the status quo. They use the words "artistic integrity" as a shield, and then detractors attack wtih words like, "entitled gamers", and some serious undertones that poke at our intelligence...
Entitled? What, we just sit there and whine?
Four-hundred cupcakes sent to Bioware.
Eighty-thousand dollars donated to Childsplay in protest.
While some are angry indeed, many of us have bought the games, played the DLC, and spent dozens of hours playing through Shepard's journey, how can you really say we're just haters? We used to love Mass Effect.
Ray Muzyka points out that they had so many "perfect score" ratings, and Casey Hudson calls us simply "some passionate fans".
Cnet Poll, over 80% want change
Metacritic user score 4.9 "Generally Unfavorable"
Bioware Social Poll, over 64,000 votes want change. And that's not counting people who simply wanted "closure", vague as it is.
Amazon user reviews 2.5 stars
Far from perfect reception, the user ratings are starting to reflect negative and mediocre reviews from the people that actually paid for the game.
And it's not even just made up of angry fans. There are professionals that have come to the same conclusions.
Forbes: Six Reasons Why Changing The Mass Effect 3 Ending Won't Threaten "Artistic Integrity"
Jennifer Hale in denial over Mass Effect 3 Ending
Gamefront: 5 Reasons The Fans Are Right
The outcry and protests have made also made headlines in TIME magazine and Yahoo! News. And this is just scratching the surface. Good luck wading through all the Youtube videos on what's wrong with it.
We're not just entitled gamers, and we're not a minority. Accept that.
That said, I'm disappointed with what I'm hearing about an Extended Cut. Yes, I know, it's free, but if you threw a boulder through my window and called it a free gift after I bought your Xbox I'd be more likely to call the police on account of you being a lunatic than invite you inside to thank you for that wonderful bonus you gave me. "Free'" doesn't guarantee positive results.
At it's worst it could make the ending even more frustrating, "What do you mean the Starchild is my FATHER?" How the hell would you like that for clarity, eh?
"Oh, so Shepard is dead and Earth is a wasteland with aliens killing each other just to survive," Good heavens I'm glad I have that closure.
Unless there's a surprise twist that gives me a little bit more hope, reveals we had more affects with our choices after all, or actually gives me something that makes the Mass Effect franchise seem interesting again, this will simply give me clarity as to why the upset people on the Dragon Age forums were right, and give me closure in knowing that I shouldn't keep buying Bioware titles.
And for those of you that tell me and the rest of us dissatisfied with the endings to "stop ****ing and leave", I tell you simply, "No", which is the same thing we should have been able to say to the Starchild. We bought this game, downloaded it, whatever. We have the right to voice our opinion, and we do have the right to (at least) ask for a different ending, by logic of Consumer Sovereignty, something every citizen has in any country that has companies/corporations that creates entertainment products (or other non-essential products) for us to purchase.
Good day.
We are marginalized again and again, then condemned with sweeping generalizations by Bioware/EA and those who cling to their legs for a pat on the head or to stick to the status quo. They use the words "artistic integrity" as a shield, and then detractors attack wtih words like, "entitled gamers", and some serious undertones that poke at our intelligence...
Entitled? What, we just sit there and whine?
Four-hundred cupcakes sent to Bioware.
Eighty-thousand dollars donated to Childsplay in protest.
While some are angry indeed, many of us have bought the games, played the DLC, and spent dozens of hours playing through Shepard's journey, how can you really say we're just haters? We used to love Mass Effect.
Ray Muzyka points out that they had so many "perfect score" ratings, and Casey Hudson calls us simply "some passionate fans".
Cnet Poll, over 80% want change
Metacritic user score 4.9 "Generally Unfavorable"
Bioware Social Poll, over 64,000 votes want change. And that's not counting people who simply wanted "closure", vague as it is.
Amazon user reviews 2.5 stars
Far from perfect reception, the user ratings are starting to reflect negative and mediocre reviews from the people that actually paid for the game.
And it's not even just made up of angry fans. There are professionals that have come to the same conclusions.
Forbes: Six Reasons Why Changing The Mass Effect 3 Ending Won't Threaten "Artistic Integrity"
Jennifer Hale in denial over Mass Effect 3 Ending
Gamefront: 5 Reasons The Fans Are Right
The outcry and protests have made also made headlines in TIME magazine and Yahoo! News. And this is just scratching the surface. Good luck wading through all the Youtube videos on what's wrong with it.
We're not just entitled gamers, and we're not a minority. Accept that.
That said, I'm disappointed with what I'm hearing about an Extended Cut. Yes, I know, it's free, but if you threw a boulder through my window and called it a free gift after I bought your Xbox I'd be more likely to call the police on account of you being a lunatic than invite you inside to thank you for that wonderful bonus you gave me. "Free'" doesn't guarantee positive results.
At it's worst it could make the ending even more frustrating, "What do you mean the Starchild is my FATHER?" How the hell would you like that for clarity, eh?
"Oh, so Shepard is dead and Earth is a wasteland with aliens killing each other just to survive," Good heavens I'm glad I have that closure.
Unless there's a surprise twist that gives me a little bit more hope, reveals we had more affects with our choices after all, or actually gives me something that makes the Mass Effect franchise seem interesting again, this will simply give me clarity as to why the upset people on the Dragon Age forums were right, and give me closure in knowing that I shouldn't keep buying Bioware titles.
And for those of you that tell me and the rest of us dissatisfied with the endings to "stop ****ing and leave", I tell you simply, "No", which is the same thing we should have been able to say to the Starchild. We bought this game, downloaded it, whatever. We have the right to voice our opinion, and we do have the right to (at least) ask for a different ending, by logic of Consumer Sovereignty, something every citizen has in any country that has companies/corporations that creates entertainment products (or other non-essential products) for us to purchase.
Good day.
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#1019
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 08:42
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All the endings will still be the same. All what you will still get is a diffrent color.
Decisions from Mass Effect 1 & 2 won't matter in the end.
War Assests won't matter either.
This is just an Extended Cut as clarification.
Artistic Vision? How dare they, Bioware, call themselves artistic after making DA2 and ME3.
They should be ashamed of themselves.
Decisions from Mass Effect 1 & 2 won't matter in the end.
War Assests won't matter either.
This is just an Extended Cut as clarification.
Artistic Vision? How dare they, Bioware, call themselves artistic after making DA2 and ME3.
They should be ashamed of themselves.
#1020
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 08:43
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No actually sadly it isn't.....I had hope. You don't like therizuno wrote...
Thanatos144 wrote...
Apparently there is a reason some need the extended ending.rizuno wrote...
0.o ? That makes no sense...if you could please...clarify...for me, if you can. If not...you may need an entirely different sentence there.Thanatos144 wrote...
No it doesn't cause no one said you had to like it or are entitled to demand they change it.rizuno wrote...
Thanatos144 wrote...
Nope Art is subjective to who is experiencing it.rizuno wrote...
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Cause you are the expert on what others think are artistic huh????????
I remember you.
Because, of course, you are the Artistic Expert sent to us from Above.
/sarcasm
You just invalidated your own previous point. I'm not, you're not, nobody is. It's all personal opinion, like the quotes you attacked above.
And from 'artistic integrity' we jump to 'ur toostuuupd to get ending'.
What a shock.
ending...Fine. Why should they change it cause you don't like it? How do
you think you are entitled to more than what they give you?
#1021
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 08:44
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Yup, just plaing old PR crap, that clearly is just left bad taste on all of us; EA go (*&*&^^%$ s^%#$'s.Darthbill52 wrote...
Heather Cline wrote...
I hate the endings BioWare. This is not what the majority of the retake movement wanted. We wanted what you promised. Multiple varying endings that were affected by our choices throughout ME1-2 and 3 to the finale. Instead you give us this 'artistic vision' and 'artistic integrity' bull. Fact is you lost all right to artistic whatever when you put out this game in it's current form. There are so many bugs, issues and so on the game is horrible in it's current state.
You made promises you didn't keep. I've been pretty civil up until this point but frankly what you've done is assassinated Shepard and her/his character over all and invalidated the first 2 games along with everything you did in the 3rd game up until the AI child. You've sold out and you don't give a damned about us as you claim. You DID NOT listen to us, you just claimed you did. You will lose a lot of customers and fans over this. I hope you are proud of yourselves because you've lost me and I will be telling everyone about how you don't care about those you claim to listen to.
Yeah I'm going to spread bad PR about you until the the cows come home to coin a phrase. I think that and the other disgruntled fans will continue to do so will make sure your name is tarnished for good.
You could have made a DLC pack with the extended ending for those who wanted closure and included the other options as well. Instead we get this PR move and frankly I hate your company. Have fun. I'm done with you.
I agree with the above poster .... I mean come on. A day after EA's name is dragged through the mud when it was voted worst company in a poll by a consumer web site. They do this, yeah if you wanted to make nice ..make nice. But dont pity **** us by this announcement becasue the timing stinks.
It looks like a PR grab like EA makes good with Bioware audence, day after name is ran through mud. A blaiant PR grab like this makes me sick. If they want to try to assault with "good publicity" I say .. Have a great assault ..Jerk(s)
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Posté 05 avril 2012 - 08:44
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[quote]AllThatJazz wrote...
[quote]AtreiyaN7 wrote...
[quote]rizuno wrote...
"An official press release went out today announcing how we are re-prioritizing the Mass Effect 3 post release content schedule to provide a more fleshed out experience for our fans. For many of you the “Extended Cut” will help answer some questions and give closure to this chapter of the Mass Effect story. Oh and it’s at no cost to you – the fan."
That sounds pretty damn condescending to me.
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No, it doesn't unless you're primed to take offense at every single thing they say. A lot of people asked for closure and clarification, and a lot of people have been wondering if the DLC were going to be free or not. Sorry if you don't like them not being suitably apologetic, meek, subservient, humble or whatever else it was you were looking for.
I'm getting the impression that some people will only be satisfied if BioWare were bowing and scraping before them, begging for forgiveness for the sin of not doing exactly what they demand.
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I could care less if BioWare apologizes. I don't demand they 'bow or scrape' or whatever. I just want the crap that is the ending to be replaced with non-crap.
[quote]AtreiyaN7 wrote...
[quote]rizuno wrote...
"An official press release went out today announcing how we are re-prioritizing the Mass Effect 3 post release content schedule to provide a more fleshed out experience for our fans. For many of you the “Extended Cut” will help answer some questions and give closure to this chapter of the Mass Effect story. Oh and it’s at no cost to you – the fan."
That sounds pretty damn condescending to me.
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No, it doesn't unless you're primed to take offense at every single thing they say. A lot of people asked for closure and clarification, and a lot of people have been wondering if the DLC were going to be free or not. Sorry if you don't like them not being suitably apologetic, meek, subservient, humble or whatever else it was you were looking for.
I'm getting the impression that some people will only be satisfied if BioWare were bowing and scraping before them, begging for forgiveness for the sin of not doing exactly what they demand.
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I could care less if BioWare apologizes. I don't demand they 'bow or scrape' or whatever. I just want the crap that is the ending to be replaced with non-crap.
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Posté 05 avril 2012 - 08:44
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I will wait and see this extended cut on YouTube. Not worth getting into single player again if it will not change anything.
#1024
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 08:46
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Where did you get that the war assets don't matter? It tells you you make it earth and it tells you how many of the three ending you get it tells you how you final choice ends........Who told you that it doesn't matter?Zalera1 wrote...
All the endings will still be the same. All what you will still get is a diffrent color.
Decisions from Mass Effect 1 & 2 won't matter in the end.
War Assests won't matter either.
This is just an Extended Cut as clarification.
Artistic Vision? How dare they, Bioware, call themselves artistic after making DA2 and ME3.
They should be ashamed of themselves.
#1025
Posté 05 avril 2012 - 08:46
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[quote]rizuno wrote...
[quote]AllThatJazz wrote...
[quote]AtreiyaN7 wrote...
[quote]rizuno wrote...
"An official press release went out today announcing how we are re-prioritizing the Mass Effect 3 post release content schedule to provide a more fleshed out experience for our fans. For many of you the “Extended Cut” will help answer some questions and give closure to this chapter of the Mass Effect story. Oh and it’s at no cost to you – the fan."
That sounds pretty damn condescending to me.
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No, it doesn't unless you're primed to take offense at every single thing they say. A lot of people asked for closure and clarification, and a lot of people have been wondering if the DLC were going to be free or not. Sorry if you don't like them not being suitably apologetic, meek, subservient, humble or whatever else it was you were looking for.
I'm getting the impression that some people will only be satisfied if BioWare were bowing and scraping before them, begging for forgiveness for the sin of not doing exactly what they demand.
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I could care less if BioWare apologizes. I don't demand they 'bow or scrape' or whatever. I just want the crap that is the ending to be replaced with non-crap.
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Er ... that quote isn't anything I said.![=]](https://lvlt.forum.bioware.com/public/style_emoticons/default/sideways.png)
[quote]AllThatJazz wrote...
[quote]AtreiyaN7 wrote...
[quote]rizuno wrote...
"An official press release went out today announcing how we are re-prioritizing the Mass Effect 3 post release content schedule to provide a more fleshed out experience for our fans. For many of you the “Extended Cut” will help answer some questions and give closure to this chapter of the Mass Effect story. Oh and it’s at no cost to you – the fan."
That sounds pretty damn condescending to me.
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No, it doesn't unless you're primed to take offense at every single thing they say. A lot of people asked for closure and clarification, and a lot of people have been wondering if the DLC were going to be free or not. Sorry if you don't like them not being suitably apologetic, meek, subservient, humble or whatever else it was you were looking for.
I'm getting the impression that some people will only be satisfied if BioWare were bowing and scraping before them, begging for forgiveness for the sin of not doing exactly what they demand.
[/quote]
I could care less if BioWare apologizes. I don't demand they 'bow or scrape' or whatever. I just want the crap that is the ending to be replaced with non-crap.
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Er ... that quote isn't anything I said.
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