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[ShinsFortress]

Derek Larke wrote...
 
Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?
No. BioWare strongly believes in the team's artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.

Will you be buying any more Bioware games or DLC?
No.  This customer strongly believes in sticking to their principles by not rewarding developers and publishers with repeat business after delivering such disappointing content followed up with such inadequate reparation.

[SomeKindaEnigma]

death_for_sale wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

SomeKindaEnigma wrote...

Very fitting that this is announced the day after EA is named the worst company in America. And wasn't an announcement first originally planned for tomorrow?

I am sure they became one of the largest game companies ion the world by
making crappy games..........Because it makes money means it is opposite
of a bad company...

No, they find companies that make good games and have a good fan following, buy those companies and start churning out sequels until the company loses it's fanbase. Then they give it a bullet to the head like Origin Systems, Bullfrog, Maxis, Westwood, Mythic, just to name a few...

Pretty much.  They just stamp their little EA label on whatever they can put it on.  

This seems to me like EA wants some goodwill in their name, and what better way than to speed up this announcement right after the award they received yesterday?

[Izana]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Zalera1 wrote...

All the endings will still be the same. All what you will still get is a diffrent color.
Decisions from Mass Effect 1 & 2 won't matter in the end.
War Assests won't matter either.
This is just an Extended Cut as clarification.
Artistic Vision? How dare they, Bioware, call themselves artistic after making DA2 and ME3.
They should be ashamed of themselves.

Where did you get that the war assets don't matter? It tells you you make it earth and it tells you how many of the three ending you get it tells you how you final choice ends........Who told you that it doesn't matter?

Obviously, he does not know that low war assets means everbody dies.

[rizuno]

Thanatos144 wrote...
No actually sadly it isn't.....I had hope. You don't like the
ending...Fine. Why should they change it cause you don't like it? How do
you think you are entitled to more than what they give you?

I'm not entitled.  I bought and paid for a product which in some ways, I find to be unsatisfactory.  I am in the process of informing them of this, and while I neither expect or demand that they do something about it, I sincerely hope they do.

I find that the endings do no justice to the series and destroy the story which I had previously enjoyed.   

[bleachorange]

Thanatos144 wrote...

bleachorange wrote...

Hah. They admitted that Bioware has just been reduced to a label for EA to slap on products. We already knew it when they said Bioware was developing C&C Generals 2, but for them to come out and say it speaks volumes about the amount of control EA has over Bioware. They OWN them, like Coca-cola owns Dr. Pepper, Mello Yello, and Sprite. They have different names, but one group is calling all the shots.

ummm so? You think you would like the ending any more if lucas arts owned them?

no, but at least george lucas can throw a cliche ending in. i'd take that over this mess of circular logic and gaping plot holes. what i am saying is that it's nice to see the 'man behind the curtain', if you get the reference.

[Thanatos144]

SomeKindaEnigma wrote...

death_for_sale wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

SomeKindaEnigma wrote...

Very fitting that this is announced the day after EA is named the worst company in America. And wasn't an announcement first originally planned for tomorrow?

I am sure they became one of the largest game companies ion the world by
making crappy games..........Because it makes money means it is opposite
of a bad company...

No, they find companies that make good games and have a good fan following, buy those companies and start churning out sequels until the company loses it's fanbase. Then they give it a bullet to the head like Origin Systems, Bullfrog, Maxis, Westwood, Mythic, just to name a few...

Pretty much.  They just stamp their little EA label on whatever they can put it on.  

This seems to me like EA wants some goodwill in their name, and what better way than to speed up this announcement right after the award they received yesterday?

They just pay for the game and all the productuion costs and distributes it...................Seems you think they should do this for free?

[rizuno]

[quote]AllThatJazz wrote...

[quote]rizuno wrote...

[quote]AllThatJazz wrote...

[quote]AtreiyaN7 wrote...

[quote]rizuno wrote...

"An official press release went out today announcing how we are re-prioritizing the Mass Effect 3 post release content schedule to provide a more fleshed out experience for our fans. For many of you the “Extended Cut” will help answer some questions and give closure to this chapter of the Mass Effect story. Oh and it’s at no cost to you – the fan."

That sounds pretty damn condescending to me.  

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No, it doesn't unless you're primed to take offense at every single thing they say. A lot of people asked for closure and clarification, and a lot of people have been wondering if the DLC were going to be free or not. Sorry if you don't like them not being suitably apologetic, meek, subservient, humble or whatever else it was you were looking for.

I'm getting the impression that some people will only be satisfied if BioWare were bowing and scraping before them, begging for forgiveness for the sin of not doing exactly what they demand.
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I could care less if BioWare apologizes.  I don't demand they 'bow or scrape' or whatever.  I just want the crap that is the ending to be replaced with non-crap.  

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Er ... that quote isn't anything I said. 

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I may have butchered my quote chopping, srry 0.0

[Kargsure]

Persephone wrote...

BrotherWarth wrote...

Persephone wrote...

I-AM-KROGAN wrote...

i dont get you guys. You whine that the ending needs more closure and then they add some, yet your still pissed. Its odd.

It's the BSN. Even a free DLC isn't enough.

NO ONE was saying "These endings sucked! We need some clarification on some of the details and we'll be happy."
We want new endings that make sense and don't **** all over the franchise.

Untrue. MANY people actually said that.

And YOU don't speak for everyone. I am sick of the entire "We" nonsense.

I'm sick of people (and I'm not just meaning Persephone here) getting all worked up about the term "We" implying that by using it a poster means "everyone" when by it's very definition "We" refers to the speaker/writer and "another or others as the subject".  The use of the term we is entirely correct since the poster is refering to him/herself and others of a like mind - if that's not you that's fine - quit reading more into it than is implied.

As for the other point - I am kind of happy there is clarification, however it was only part of what I wanted - I also wanted the what I see as bad writing and plot holes addressed, not all of which can be dealt with by simple clarification and epilogue and if the DLC is what I believe it to be based on the press release, it won't go nearly far enough to solve what to me are major issues with the ending.  I have no issues with a narative not following real-world rules but it should follow the rules of the universe in which it is set.

[Thanatos144]

rizuno wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...
No actually sadly it isn't.....I had hope. You don't like the
ending...Fine. Why should they change it cause you don't like it? How do
you think you are entitled to more than what they give you?

I'm not entitled.  I bought and paid for a product which in some ways, I find to be unsatisfactory.  I am in the process of informing them of this, and while I neither expect or demand that they do something about it, I sincerely hope they do.

I find that the endings do no justice to the series and destroy the story which I had previously enjoyed.   

You bought the licends to play the game not the game itself or any content in it.

[Kris69]

I guess happy ending where Shep lives, reapers are dead and all the species are intact is just too mainstream for BW -.-

[Kalas82]

ArthurBDD wrote...

Oh, and on top of that: if you want to respect the team's artistic integrity whilst pleasing the fans, there's a very simple way to do that: add alternate endings, but make it clear that the alternates are not canon and will not be reflected in the future development of the ME universe.

That way, the team's chosen ending is elevated head and shoulders above the others by virtue of being canonical, whereas people who really don't think it fits their Shepards can go for an alternate.

well with all due respect i think that`s actualy asking too much...creating cutscenes, even if ingame, is costing them money.
It seems they wanted to create a ****ty plot, kinda halillarious how a majority of the fanbase couldn`t belive they were for real with this.
You gotta decide for youself if you want a story-rpg with a ****ty-plot or if you want to spend money and time with something you like more, which would`ve been the sane choice anyway..but that`s the whole dilemma bout the word "fan".
Kinda depressing how a story-rpg can be sold with a retarded story and some folks actualy buy it...which might be the explanation why we get so few good stroy-rpgs as time progresses.
If for once will say bye bye to ME, we had great times during 1, kinda great times during 2 and 3 was hard divorce.

[Nivenus]

I'm willing to give this a chance. I'm not heartened by BioWare's specific wording in the announcement and I'm skeptical we'll see any meaningful resolution to most of the problems with the ending(s), but I'll keep an open minding.

Also, it's free, so that's a plus. 

[Thanatos144]

bleachorange wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

bleachorange wrote...

Hah. They admitted that Bioware has just been reduced to a label for EA to slap on products. We already knew it when they said Bioware was developing C&C Generals 2, but for them to come out and say it speaks volumes about the amount of control EA has over Bioware. They OWN them, like Coca-cola owns Dr. Pepper, Mello Yello, and Sprite. They have different names, but one group is calling all the shots.

ummm so? You think you would like the ending any more if lucas arts owned them?

no, but at least george lucas can throw a cliche ending in. i'd take that over this mess of circular logic and gaping plot holes. what i am saying is that it's nice to see the 'man behind the curtain', if you get the reference.

Funny but they are making a extended ending to explaion these so called plot holes and still your not happy.

[riddick14015]

Modifié par riddick14015, 05 avril 2012 - 09:09 .

[X_30002000]

Artistic integrity? There is absolutely no integrity in that ending, it makes ME1 never to happen and this starts chain reaction that annihilate ME2 and 3. It is either ME or the ending, they can not coexist.
Any attempt to consider that ending other then hallucination will not fix it. Real ending needs to be created.

[Thanatos144]

Kris69 wrote...

I guess happy ending where Shep lives, reapers are dead and all the species are intact is just too mainstream for BW -.-

It is someting they dont want.

[poerksen]

Based on the things we were told by Sovereign in ME1, then there really should not be a starchild. We are independant..... We have no beginning or end.... These statements do not fit in at all with the apparent role of the starchild in ME3. I read a 23 page report yesterday on the various plotholes, inconsistencies and nonsense found during those last 15 minutes of the game. I agreed with almost everything in it and Im surely not the only one who has read it.
Just google: logical breakdown of why the me 3 ending makes no sense
The ten most basic reasons why the ending sucks:
Comments on why the writing is bad: http://jmstevenson.w...-mass-effect-3/

Take a look at these links bioware, if you have not already done so. I am glad that the DLC will be free, but I seriously doubt that it will be able to fix this broken ending. A happy ending would also be nice, but it is in no way the main reason why the ending is bad.

Tried starting another playthrough today, but I stopped after 15 minutes, because I knew everyone was going to die anyway. Felt like taking a stroll around the Normandy and kill all of the crew myself. Bullets in the head for everyone! Perhaps fly to Tuchanka and set off that big bomb, tell the Quarians that I just took a huge crap on Rannoch together with my best friend Legion, then proceed to watch the too species kill eachother. Perhaps take a few shots at the Quarian fleet myself, before flying to Cerberus HQ and chrash the Normandy into TIM's bachelorpad. Ohh yeah, Throwing Javik out of the airlock would also be on my to-do-list.  

Modifié par poerksen, 05 avril 2012 - 08:59 .

[MnMH]

I hate to say this, but I feel like it's necessary.

The fact that you are proud of your artistic vision is the real problem here. I've been following you guys since the Baldur's Gate. In a sense, you started out as pioneers. While most developers focused almost solely on game play, you showed gamers that games were an effective medium for strong narratives.

KOTOR, ME1, and DA:O told wonderful stories, even if you're the same basic formula for each story. I put hundreds of hours into each of these games, and I loved every moment of it. I loved the characters, and I cared about what happened to them. Strong narratives and compelling characters are WHY I play your games.

However, since you were acquired by EA, you have consistently failed to deliver the experience that I, as a gamer, have come to expect from you. Whether this is coincidence or causative, I do pretend to know. I could appreciate some of the game play changes in Mass Effect 2, but the items that completely disregarded lore established in the first game I could not. At the time I figured it was just one instance. But then you followed it up with the abysmal DA2, and I began to lose faith in your ability to tell a proper story.

That you are unwilling to admit the problems with ME3's ending is a serious problem. I don't trust people who are unwilling to admit that they make mistakes. While I can appreciate the attempts to expand upon the ending already established, this expansion will do nothing to correct how terrible the current ending is--you simply do not wait until the literal final moments of a story to introduce new characters and ideas.

I hope you start making games the way you used to. I may become a fan again.

[bleachorange]

Thanatos144 wrote...

rizuno wrote...

and from 'artistic integrity' we jump to 'ur toostuuupd to get ending'. 
What a shock.

No actually sadly it isn't.....I had hope. You don't like the
ending...Fine. Why should they change it cause you don't like it? How do
you think you are entitled to more than what they give you?

I'm entitled now? Entitlement is expecting something for nothing. That's not the case at all. We were promised one thing and given another.

What if you bought a house, and the contractor built it, but it wasn't what they told you it would be when you purchased it? That's the same situation as this.

[rizuno]

Thanatos144 wrote...

rizuno wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...
No actually sadly it isn't.....I had hope. You don't like the
ending...Fine. Why should they change it cause you don't like it? How do
you think you are entitled to more than what they give you?

I'm not entitled.  I bought and paid for a product which in some ways, I find to be unsatisfactory.  I am in the process of informing them of this, and while I neither expect or demand that they do something about it, I sincerely hope they do.

I find that the endings do no justice to the series and destroy the story which I had previously enjoyed.   

You bought the licends to play the game not the game itself or any content in it.

I did buy the game itself.  I have a nice shiny box with two shiny discs inside of it.  I think your definition of 'license' may be slightly skewed.  

[Thanatos144]

bleachorange wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

rizuno wrote...

and from 'artistic integrity' we jump to 'ur toostuuupd to get ending'. 
What a shock.

No actually sadly it isn't.....I had hope. You don't like the
ending...Fine. Why should they change it cause you don't like it? How do
you think you are entitled to more than what they give you?

I'm entitled now? Entitlement is expecting something for nothing. That's not the case at all. We were promised one thing and given another.

What if you bought a house, and the contractor built it, but it wasn't what they told you it would be when you purchased it? That's the same situation as this.

No you wernt. you were promised nothing more than a game with a story in it. Nothing more.

[Thanatos144]

rizuno wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

rizuno wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...
No actually sadly it isn't.....I had hope. You don't like the
ending...Fine. Why should they change it cause you don't like it? How do
you think you are entitled to more than what they give you?

I'm not entitled.  I bought and paid for a product which in some ways, I find to be unsatisfactory.  I am in the process of informing them of this, and while I neither expect or demand that they do something about it, I sincerely hope they do.

I find that the endings do no justice to the series and destroy the story which I had previously enjoyed.   

You bought the licends to play the game not the game itself or any content in it.

I did buy the game itself.  I have a nice shiny box with two shiny discs inside of it.  I think your definition of 'license' may be slightly skewed.  

try reproducing said game with changes in it then selling that product and tell me how much ownership you have.

[TFJetfire]

bleachorange wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

rizuno wrote...

and from 'artistic integrity' we jump to 'ur toostuuupd to get ending'. 
What a shock.

No actually sadly it isn't.....I had hope. You don't like the
ending...Fine. Why should they change it cause you don't like it? How do
you think you are entitled to more than what they give you?

I'm entitled now? Entitlement is expecting something for nothing. That's not the case at all. We were promised one thing and given another.

What if you bought a house, and the contractor built it, but it wasn't what they told you it would be when you purchased it? That's the same situation as this.

I agree completely - the ending has SLIGHT differences but same results each time.  THAT is what has to be addressed.  Adding extended scenes won't change this.  Bioware is clearly missing the point of the frustrations here with the endings.  Even if the DLC is free...