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[BGM]

You're trying and you're not charging for it, that's enough to earn my gratitude. Whether I'll be satisfied with any version of the endings, extended or otherwise, well... I'll just try to focus on that first sentence.

[poerksen]

Anglamite wrote...

Nobody (that I've seen) has argued this issue of the Crucible. Every cycle has contributed to it's construction/blueprint, but none had figured out the catalyst was the citadel. How did they manage to build something so perfectly suited to fit the citadel without knowing they needed it to be so big? It's like knowing there's a bullet out there for the gun you're making, and, upon finding said bullet, discovering it's a perfect fit.

They were told by the Prothean VI(Thessia) that the catalyst is the crucible, so the Protheans obviously knew what it was. The question is how did they design something that fits with an area of the citadel, which nobody has ever visited, according to the Starchild.

[crazyrabbits]

[quote]Thanatos144 wrote...

[/quote]Didnt say you did...I said you got the licends to play the code on the disk.
[/quote]

If that was the case, I apologize for not being clear. I thought it was the same argument others made to try and justify EA's EULA.

[Mercedes-Benz]

At least something.

[kittysox]

Thanatos144 wrote...

TFJetfire wrote...

The disc is the license and like anything else - be it book, game, movie, etc. I have as much right to complain to the company where it failed to deliver.

That is what I am doing with Bioware with regards to the ending.

yes you can complain....You do not have a right to demand they change it cause you didnt like it. Nor do they have to listen to your demands.

Fans of  any artistic medium can and do complain and demand changes to any form of art, many pieces of art go through years and years of changes and dozens of itterations before becoming the masterpieces we know them as today. Mass effect 3's ending was very poorly written and fans reactions speak loudly to this effect. We wanted and expected better and we are disappointed and you won't change our mind.

[SalsaDMA]

Izana wrote...

I find it amazing how 10 minutes can ruin an entire game for so many people. It's sad that many are so obsesed to tell BW what they did wrong rather than what they did right.

You learn from your mistakes, not from your sucess.

That is... If you are willing to learn...

Bioware? I'm not so sure they are willing to...

[Benny8484]

Good luck at PAX Bioware, your going to need it...

[Thanatos144]

[quote]crazyrabbits wrote...

[quote]Thanatos144 wrote...

[/quote]Didnt say you did...I said you got the licends to play the code on the disk.
[/quote]

If that was the case, I apologize for not being clear. I thought it was the same argument others made to try and justify EA's EULA.

[/quote] No I wasnt.

[potatooverdose]

Honestly, your getting free stuff (cinematics). From EA. These cinematics might take your choices into account, and give you more varied endings which might go a long way towards improving the last 10 minutes which ruin an otherwise amazing 35 hour game.

But seriously: Your getting free stuff from EA. Count your blessings and move on.

[Thanatos144]

poerksen wrote...

Anglamite wrote...

Nobody (that I've seen) has argued this issue of the Crucible. Every cycle has contributed to it's construction/blueprint, but none had figured out the catalyst was the citadel. How did they manage to build something so perfectly suited to fit the citadel without knowing they needed it to be so big? It's like knowing there's a bullet out there for the gun you're making, and, upon finding said bullet, discovering it's a perfect fit.

They were told by the Prothean VI(Thessia) that the catalyst is the crucible, so the Protheans obviously knew what it was. The question is how did they design something that fits with an area of the citadel, which nobody has ever visited, according to the Starchild.

The room were shepard is is someplace no ones ever been not the fact that the crucible fits in the citadel.....

[bleachorange]

Thanatos144 wrote...

crazyrabbits wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

You bought the game.....actually it is a licends to play said game but to own said game you would have ownership to sell and change....

You need to stop talking, boy.

Nowhere in current copyright law does it state that buying a product means a licence to play it, regardless of what medium it's in. If you bought the disc, you own the disc. The content is non-transferable for commercial use, but you do (in certain countries) have the right to make personal backups.

If you don't know what you're talking about, don't bother.

Really? You think so????/ Ever think there is a reason you dont have comercial rights to it? Cause you dont owwn the content just the right to use it.

You are oversimplifying copyright law. Let this rest, because you are looking less informed the longer this goes on. You are mistaking Intellectual Property (IP) with ownership of a product.

Please, you're embarrassing yourself here by pushing the reality of a situation versus a fine point of law in your zeal to prove yourself correct.

Modifié par bleachorange, 05 avril 2012 - 09:32 .

[RobotRob]

Alrighty, personally I do not trust this DLC/patch because it isn't really addressing the main issue which is the ending doesn't fit at all to what Mass effect is as a game. They are trying to techdribble on a ending inwhich doesn't really make sense in the first place....

Pro-enders, I am going to be frank with you I am not going to debate you but just to ask you to have a discussion because I am fasting and my head really hurts and I don't want to call one of you poopy heads then you'll start calling me a poopy head and this just proves to people how dumb we are- thanks Enigma

[TFJetfire]

I find it amazing that we went to licensing/ownership of a game when we never were talking about "freeware" or open source code - hence the trolls have achieved their goals of misdirecting the conversation about the ending DLC to something else

Getting back to the topic of the thread - the DLC will do very little to address the comments/concerns from the fans as to the endings. We have three choices to make so the framework was built however each choice is not a choice as we pretty much come to the same ending. Extending the scenes will not address that basic concept.

[GuyIncognito]

Ethical wrote...

GuyIncognito wrote...

It all makes perfect sense.

Shepard is the Old God Baby from the Warden and Morrigan.

---------------------------------

Not the first time we've had an unresolved plotline as the above statement has indicated. Lighten up folks.

Uhm, have you heard of Dragon Age 3? It's suppose to continue the story and stuff. This is the finale of Mass Effect and it still has unresolved plotlines which the producers said it would not.

That was a joke using reductio ad absurdum (Latin: "reduction to the absurd")

I know Dragon Age 3 is coming down the pipeline in a few years. I'll be there to play it.

Draw what you will from the quote, but it seems that they had plans to continue Mass Effect without Shepard. As it is not the end of the universe just the end of this Shepard's involvement.
http://arstechnica.c...-e3-embargo.ars

>>
"He stressed that this won't be the end of the Mass Effect world, just the end of the trilogy. I brought up my dissatisfaction with the end of the Halo story, with Master Chief floating in space. Are people going to be frustrated by the end of the game?
Houston shakes his head. "No, no, no, no. We are absolutely committed to ending Commander Shepard's story at the end of this. I am not going to go into any detail beyond that, but really we want players to feel like the investment they made over the past seven years or whatever it's been, it would have been a rewarding experience for them," he explained."
<<

They still didn't deliver on the second part as a section of the fan base has already clearly stated in this thread that "they do not feel like the investment they have made over the past seven years was a rewarding experience for them" as the product stands in its current form.

[Thanatos144]

kittysox wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

TFJetfire wrote...

The disc is the license and like anything else - be it book, game, movie, etc. I have as much right to complain to the company where it failed to deliver.

That is what I am doing with Bioware with regards to the ending.

yes you can complain....You do not have a right to demand they change it cause you didnt like it. Nor do they have to listen to your demands.

Fans of  any artistic medium can and do complain and demand changes to any form of art, many pieces of art go through years and years of changes and dozens of itterations before becoming the masterpieces we know them as today. Mass effect 3's ending was very poorly written and fans reactions speak loudly to this effect. We wanted and expected better and we are disappointed and you won't change our mind.

Persoanl opion is not law.  I am many many more like this ending.


Truth I am glad they stuck to thier guns. Put it out there and if some dont like it oh well. Thats life.

[knapert]

This is just a waste of time. There is no point in making a DLC in the way that you described it to be.
The fact that we didn't get to see nearly enough of what happend after the final "choice" we made was just one small pebble on the enormous Mountain of disappoint you left at the end of ME3.

As many has said before me, I have now lost all faith in this, and if this DLC is coming out as planned, it won't make difference what so ever.
Huge cred to all involved in making the mass effect universe (and not involved in the choices of the ending). I hope you all realize that this is the reason so many are upset about this. It's because they're such great games. You've given such an experience with them that we cannot bare to have it end the way it did.
You did actually make one of the greatest series of games ever seen. Until that ending. And it will haunt many players for the rest of your time as a developer.

I actually think this will hurt the bioware fan base. I'm not a DA player myself, but from what i've read they've managed to ****** those guys quite alot aswell.
Fool me once...

Artistic integrety really does not apply in this situation. You make games for an audience. A paying audience (quite alot too). If you decide to paint a painting, just for the fun of it(with no intention of selling it at first), and then decide to sell it, then i agree, the buyer has no right to demand you changing it. When you make a sequal for a game that has already sold over 2 million copies, and beforehand make promises as you have, we, as buyers, do.
And for those calling us entitled; we aren't. This is not a valid point of argue on your part.
If we had DEMANDED that shepard have a pink gummibear on his/her shoulder through out the game, updating us live on the football scores, then that would merit being called entitled. This does not. It does not even come close.

Had I known that you wouldn't take this ending seriously i would never have bought the game, or spent so much time on building my character in the previous games.
This DLC is just another slap in the face, that you seem to think so little of us. That this would pacify us in spite of the void you left us with.

If this is the way you want to play it, then i guess many of us have no choice. You clearly know what we feel is wrong. You have read many of our posts (which would be good thing, but it doesnt seem to make any difference, so it doesnt really count for much) and still you choose this.
For me, the mass effect universe stopped with ME2. This is the true ending. I would rather have it end there, having defeated the collectors, and preparing for a fight with the reapers that never was.
Well known games reviewer TotalBiscuit decided he couldnt even play this game, because of the deal with the From ashes DLC release. I don't blame him for it, but i reasoned that this series is so freaking amazing, that i didn't actually mind paying €20 extra for CE, and getting that in the process. Even if it was a cheap trick. It was supposed to be that good. I personally have never been more excited about a game release.

With this "answer" Bioware has given us today, once again i feel the wind knocked out of me, and this was the last game from Bioware that i will play.

[SpartanCommander]

I predict the audience will for the first time boo someone off stage, a riot will start, or their are going to be a lot of people in the audience giving disagreements and arguments in it.

I think that since they didn't even consider to add in even one extra ending means they don't likely realize the situation they put themselves in.

It would be a real good situation for Gamers though if an entire room filled with gamers voice their disappointment to the developers and other guy's while their giving their idea of a fix could give them more of a personal impact then a petition. Especially if at the beginning and the Audiance doesn't even clap would show that to the Developers their treading on thin ice.

We can use this to show them what we view of what they gave us for the endings.

[Thanatos144]

bleachorange wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

crazyrabbits wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

You bought the game.....actually it is a licends to play said game but to own said game you would have ownership to sell and change....

You need to stop talking, boy.

Nowhere in current copyright law does it state that buying a product means a licence to play it, regardless of what medium it's in. If you bought the disc, you own the disc. The content is non-transferable for commercial use, but you do (in certain countries) have the right to make personal backups.

If you don't know what you're talking about, don't bother.

Really? You think so????/ Ever think there is a reason you dont have comercial rights to it? Cause you dont owwn the content just the right to use it.

You are oversimplifying copyright law. Let this rest, because you are looking less informed the longer this goes on. You are mistaking Intellectual Property (IP) with ownership of a product.

Please, you're embarrassing yourself here by pushing the reality of a situation versus a fine point of law in your zeal to prove yourself correct.

No I am speaking law about copyrighted material.

[Dan Dark]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Izana wrote...

I find it amazing how 10 minutes can ruin an entire game for so many people. It's sad that many are so obsesed to tell BW what they did wrong rather than what they did right.

You learn from your mistakes, not from your sucess.

That is... If you are willing to learn...

Bioware? I'm not so sure they are willing to...

This. The entire game up to the ending was fantastic, but the fact that that ten minutes tarnished not only the entirety of the game that preceeded it, but the series as a whole, is a rather major issue.

That said, I am NOT happy to hear about this. They claimed they were listening, right? So... when did anyone ask for an "extended cut?" Seriously, anyone? Because I don't recall anyone asking for "clarification" - I only recall seeing people saying the ending was fine (and as such, they don't care what happens, so long as their experience can remain the same), and people who wanted additional choices and new endings. Nowhere in there did anyone ever ask for an "extended cut." So, if they were really listening... where did this idea come from?

(Also, since some people have commented it's like something stolen from Deus Ex...)

I never asked for this.

[Robhuzz]

potatooverdose wrote...

Honestly, your getting free stuff (cinematics). From EA. These cinematics might take your choices into account, and give you more varied endings which might go a long way towards improving the last 10 minutes which ruin an otherwise amazing 35 hour game.

But seriously: Your getting free stuff from EA. Count your blessings and move on.

Something.... is wrong.

EA doesn't give out free stuff.... Never... This is a trap. Has to be.

[kittysox]

Thanatos144 wrote...

kittysox wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

TFJetfire wrote...

The disc is the license and like anything else - be it book, game, movie, etc. I have as much right to complain to the company where it failed to deliver.

That is what I am doing with Bioware with regards to the ending.

yes you can complain....You do not have a right to demand they change it cause you didnt like it. Nor do they have to listen to your demands.

Fans of  any artistic medium can and do complain and demand changes to any form of art, many pieces of art go through years and years of changes and dozens of itterations before becoming the masterpieces we know them as today. Mass effect 3's ending was very poorly written and fans reactions speak loudly to this effect. We wanted and expected better and we are disappointed and you won't change our mind.

Persoanl opion is not law.  I am many many more like this ending.


Truth I am glad they stuck to thier guns. Put it out there and if some dont like it oh well. Thats life.

Exactly, but why tell them they have no right to complain and demand changes when they clearly do? It's up to bioware or more importantly EA to decide what happens from here on but we will complain and honestly if any of the rumors posted about how the end came to be, it has absolutely nothing to do with "artistic integrity."

Modifié par kittysox, 05 avril 2012 - 09:28 .

[poerksen]

Thanatos144 wrote...

poerksen wrote...

Anglamite wrote...

Nobody (that I've seen) has argued this issue of the Crucible. Every cycle has contributed to it's construction/blueprint, but none had figured out the catalyst was the citadel. How did they manage to build something so perfectly suited to fit the citadel without knowing they needed it to be so big? It's like knowing there's a bullet out there for the gun you're making, and, upon finding said bullet, discovering it's a perfect fit.

They were told by the Prothean VI(Thessia) that the catalyst is the crucible, so the Protheans obviously knew what it was. The question is how did they design something that fits with an area of the citadel, which nobody has ever visited, according to the Starchild.

The room were shepard is is someplace no ones ever been not the fact that the crucible fits in the citadel.....

Well, I guess you could build something that amplifies/changes the citadel's beam, simply by knowing that it fires a beam.... You would not nessecarily have to be in the room to know what kind of device you should build? Baah it does not matter, its strange anyway and too convinient 

[ElMuchu]

SpectreDracon wrote...

Garrus calibrations wrote...

Yeah, bioware just lost A LOT of fans. Out of all the happily ever after endings that has happened in my life THIS is one of the things I actually WANT happily ever after. ****ING MUTANT BABIES WITH GARRUS! So me convincing the geth and quarians to fight with each other was a total waste of time. Bull****.

^
This guy. Speaks truth.

Yep, I agree too

[leminzplz]

Yay! That's all I wanted! Something to just answer the unanswered questions left at the end of the game...but there is a lot.
I'll put my faith in you one last time BioWare! Do. Not. Screw. This. Up.
But thank you and good luck with it

[TheGRITTY]

Forgive the laziness (i.e., not reading 45 pages of a thread) in case this has been answered already, but: will we need to beat the game again in order to see the new cut scenes?