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[BouncyCaitian]

*cues crickets*

[Polarl8ear]

First off I appreciate that BioWare is releasing this DLC and they are willing to provide it free. I am sure the clarification will help some.

But overall if the endings stay as is consider me extremely disappointed and dissatisfied with how the series ended. It isn't because I wanted a happy ending but I wanted an ending that made sense based on the events leading up to it. The final entity, the logic supplied, and resulting space magic were all major let downs to me.

I can respect your choice to maintain your artistic vision. But I hope you understand this is not the resolution I was looking for and when I am evaluating future BioWare purchases my final impression was not a good one.

[khyvari]

I don't know what to think, I've been playing Bioware games since Baldur's Gate. What I didn't like about the ending was being locked into a cut scene from which I could not escape, no chance to debate this final enemy, no chance to say, "I don't like any of your choices so I'll take my chances, thanks". Jeez, I didn't even get to see the alliances I forged actually fight. Seriously, who wouldn't like to see a blood raged Krogan riding a cloned Kakliosaur in to battle. At least I would have liked to have seen Shepard go out fighting, not some weak, demoralized. That is not the character I created. This is what I am bothered by.

[bydoritos]

Dear Bioware
You'd better do it right.. or you can say "goodbye" for me and my Wallet.. because we're moving to ubisoft .

[animadpig]

http://social.biowar...25/polls/31465/

Will you buy game from Bioware/EA again?

Please attend this vote as one of replies to this announcement. Thank you.

[PadawanMage71]

Estelindis wrote...

I don't see how this is going to give most of those who were disappointed in the ending what they're actually looking for.  Bioware may be proud of the ending, but the "passionate" fans referenced in the press release are not.  Given that these are the fans to whom, presumably, you're responding, I sincerely doubt that this will do much to improve relations.  Like so many others, I wanted additional endings, for Shepard to be able to object to the last-minute antogonist.  If the Extended Cut does not provide this, it will not satisfy its intended audience.

For the record, I think that Bioware has every right to be proud of the main game.  Most of those protesting at the ending agree.  However, I think that it's possible to make deep mistakes in the art of storytelling, and, when one does that, hiding behind the label of "art" is not a demonstration of integrity.

People may say: why can't you wait and see?  Why not give Bioware a chance?  It's not an entirely unfair response.  It's exactly what I would have said before I experienced the ending of ME3.  I had faith in Bioware then.  But it's very difficult to maintain such faith after having been so deeply disappointed by the ending and having seen no indication that Bioware feel the ending was a mistake.

Bioware, it's not too late to change your minds about this.  You still have months before this DLC is going to be released, months in which to reconsider.  Changing your mind after making a mistake is not a weakness; it's a strength.  If nothing else, ask yourself how likely it is that fans who loved Mass Effect will be interested in any new franchises you create.  If the loving work of years can be squandered in a few minutes, it discourages us from investing in another new world and new characters.  After all, you could just do to them what you've done to Mass Effect with the ending of ME3.  Please, please reconsider.

Very well written and in line with my thoughts.  Bioware's actions with regards to the endings have been a little mind boggling.  Right now, I'm very ambivalent about any new IP's they come out with and will take anything they say with regard to any future games with a massive grain of salt.

Yes, Bioware please reconsider...and for God's sake, please take off those red, green and blue colored glasses. 

[Razor1313]

The whole ending just feels like it was written by that fussy accountant/lawyer character that's in every TV show (apologies to all accountants and lawyers, fussy or otherwise).

"You're over budget! Just wrap it up tonight and ship it off to duplication in the morning!"

[JamesMoriarty123]

Tbh the only thing I want to see is an expanded finale from a gameplay perspective. I want to fight alongside the Rachni, the Geth, etc. I want to have the Turian Fleet Remnants save my bacon at least once, I want to see Wrex rip the head off a Ravager and do the business down it's neck!

For me the ending moments were fine (yeah, I know, hate on me if you like), it was just the lack of presence on the battlefield that bothered me. I want to SEE these allies I have gathered, not just read about them in the War Room!

[SalsaDMA]

chemiclord wrote...

Azgoroth wrote...

this isn't the end of bioware. WE, the people, asked for one to two things: To change the endings completely, or to add content that make the endings something that Shepard deserved. From what I am reading on these forums, the time and money that it would have taken to make completely new endings was both unrealistic and not worth the time.

And who the hell are you to decide what Shepard deserves?

You're a PLAYER.  Nothing more.  Shut your whiny, entitled mouth.  If you don't like it, go away like others are threatening to do.

You're actually wrong on that one. He's something more.

He's a consumer.

Bioware needs consumers to survive. If they drive enough consumers away, they'll end up as the next tax-write off for EA.

[Larask]

Not really excited about this, but it is better then what we have since it will answer some of the questions. And it is free, and for this I am grateful.

[BurnOutBrighter]

BioWare won't even acknowledge the massive flaws in the ending, including narrative coherence and lack of player choice.

Instead, they hide behind their "artistic integrity" argument and pretend that the fans are too stupid to understand the ending and need "clarity".

No, BioWare. We understand that the Mass Effect 3 ending was a narrative mess that threw out the logic and the spirit of the Mass Effect universe. We don't wan't "clarity", we wan't a rewrite.

[IainD]

Last time I checked Mass Effect from 1 to 3 was pretty much pulp fiction, ripping yarns stuff. So how can you expect to have an ending so highbrow that it would have Aristotle and Plato reaching for the pain killers and expect not to have some kind of backlash. No matter how much polish you throw at it it's still never going to be fit for purpose.

Please just go back look again and give us our pulp fiction, dirty dozen, Butch and Sundance, Magnificent Seven, The Longest Day tragically sad but ultimately uplifting pulp fiction, ripping yarns ending.

The Mass Effect trilogy deserves to go out with the biggest bang since the Big Bang currently it hardly even rates a whimper

Modifié par IainD, 05 avril 2012 - 11:52 .

[da mighty rEAper]

youre worthless ppl. they could consider making/remaking a full fledged ending sequence adding couple hours of gameplay if there werent poors who cry for free dlc, **** you

[DigitalAvatar]

Freckle Face wrote...
You couldn't have honestly expected them to spend all the time and resources it would have taken to take out the old ending, come up with a completely new one, and then implement that in a FREE DLC? Am I really the *only* one who thinks that is ridiculous?

And yet CD Projekt RED manage to provide an enhanced edition of The Witcher 2, with massive improvements and adding hours of extra game content - without any charge to existing owners.
There is no reason AT ALL that BioWare could not do so if they wanted to support customers.

[SalsaDMA]

SomeKindaEnigma wrote...

I can't comment on the Sims, as I have never played any version of it (doesn't seem like my thing).  Dead Space was fine without MP, and didn't need it in the sequel, which to my understanding the MP sucked.  Battlefield is the only game you just listed I agree with, I own BF3 and still play it sometimes.  The only genre/game series I truly think EA does a good job with is the sports games; if you're heavy into sports like myself, I think most will agree that they churn out good ones.

And by the way, you saying "etc etc etc etc" only further strengthens my point, "EA puts their little stamp on whatever they can".  

I'll actually disagree on the sports games.

Their problem was that they kept churning out new version every year/half-year.

I started my venture with EA sports by buying one of the football games (as in the european usage of the word). Then came the EC version, then the next yearly installment, then the WC version and then I grew tired of the series at the enxt installment cause I realised that the games weren't really improving, but actually got LESS fun to play with each installment. Graphics improved (slightly), but the gameplay worsened. And in each version there were visibly flaws that anyone with an IQ over 12 would have spotted and ought to have fixed if they wanted a  quality product. So I stopped caring about their footbal games.
I tried one of the NHL games too, one of the older ones. That one was fun too. Then I got a newer version and experienced the same thing.. Way less fun, and slightly imprived graphics. I decided not to persue that line of games anymore either.
Had one of the FIFA manager games too, tried football manager from SI and never looked back at EA's manager game since, despite SI's game had crappier graphics.

So yeah, I disagree that EA makes good sports games. They USED to make good sport games, but somewhere along the lines they stopped doing that too and just burned out in creativity on the conveyerbelt of producing a neverending chain of 'new' versions of the same game.

[Shepard108278]

Congrats Bioware. You are sticking to your guns and not changing the ending only clarifying it and that is all I needed. I among others think you did a fine job and just need to clarify a few things. Thanks again for an amazing job.

[Mdym]

A crap ending explained further, oh joy. I have no intentions of downloading that nonsense or buying any of the dlc. There is no reason to thank Bioware, they screwed us with the ending, did not listen to anything the community said, then laughed at us as they throw out a dlc bone of worthless space magic cutscenes. What did Bioware say in the other thread, "we are listening"? Really, your response of the extended dlc actually says the opposite. Bioware's indoctrination by EA appears complete.

[Shepard108278]

DigitalAvatar wrote...

Freckle Face wrote...
You couldn't have honestly expected them to spend all the time and resources it would have taken to take out the old ending, come up with a completely new one, and then implement that in a FREE DLC? Am I really the *only* one who thinks that is ridiculous?

And yet CD Projekt RED manage to provide an enhanced edition of The Witcher 2, with massive improvements and adding hours of extra game content - without any charge to existing owners.
There is no reason AT ALL that BioWare could not do so if they wanted to support customers.

Yes there is. You and others are asking Bioware to change key plot points throughout the game because you don't like them. BIG difference.

[bk1217]

All I have to say is:

Look at the original Mass Effect, decisions to be made, the outcome of the fight was based on who you wanted to save, and certain small decisions story wise. The rest of the ending was a pretty solid single direction of the Reaper dies, and Shepard kills Saren. Mass Effect 2, you had *A MUCH BETTER GAME* more decisions, more choices as to how the ending plays out. It depended on who you were loyal to, who you chose in your party, and who was doing each assignment as the end levels played out. When the game was over it all came down to who lived and who died, probably one of the biggest reasons why so many people loved the ME trilogy and it started to spread like wild fire. The ending itself was more tailored to a personal approach, something that is rare to find in action games, and even the whole "cause and effect" approach is rare in some rpgs as well. So being able to combine the two caused a huge expectation for the ME3 game's release.

Now look at ME3's ending, no choices from previous games make a difference.
- (the rachni almost wrecked the universe once upon a time, causing the Krogan to drive them to extinction, and now that *I* saved them during the first Mass Effect game, I was expecting them to show up in a flood and help destroy reapers, but what do i get, their assistance in building a f*ck'n spaceship?)

- (Everything was exciting up until the last 5 mins of the game, I was excited to see *sadly not be able to party with again* my old friends from ME1 and ME2. But it didn't give any hint to ME2, which was one of the best choice endings ever, of who i bring in my party will decide what happens, or who lives and dies. I found myself scared sh*tless because when I ended up getting blasted near the end, I was afraid I made a horrible mistake of bringing my beloved Liara with me to my own doom. I was afraid that now she would be dead somewhere and I would have to run away with Jack *don't have to twist my arm or anything*, IF i survived at all. BUT NOOOOO the choices I made meant nothing.)

- (It is fun to watch how reactions tend to snowball as more people fuel the fire, sadly all I can do is state my own disapproval of such a, in my opinion, half-assed approach to concluding an epic journey that I personally took through the first two games. I can only describe my own interaction with the ending; I was expecting to read a Shakespearean sonnet *based on my experience with ME2* and what I got was a High School Student's Haiku written the day before it was due.)

- (It is perfectly okay for a company to say, "we are sorry for the response we got, we will do what we can to make people happy". But to say we are going to try to please the fans and then spend the entire time rationalizing to yourself and others why you made it the way you did, and why it should make people not exactly happy, but content that it is a GAME, and just live with it, doesn't sit well with me personally, and I believe a lot of people are just tired of jumping back and forth with spoken and written "fluffing" as i like to call it. Trying to make me feel happy because it is the way the game was intended to be, however when you look at the first two games, there is no way in hell that this is "how it was intended to end". The first two games' endings meant something. I personally don't know how an ending that looked this half-assed was able to pass it's way around the room and get approval to go into the public eye. Someone somewhere along the way should have gone, ... umm... something ain't right here... this just doesn't feel "Mass Effecty".)


After this long explanation of why I feel ME3 shouldn't just be left with a "cinematic catastrophe" which it seems like this is heading to (I could be wrong, they could have done really well with little flash clips showing me my choices somewhere along the way, hopefully a video of the rachni tearing through a couple reapers). But the way it sounds from the release, someone is trying to justify why they made the poor decision they made. And instead they should be rectifying an injustice to a ground breaking game series. And sitting behind really good reviews doesn't mean that the ending was at any part good. The 10 rating reviews I have read explain the multiplayer mode, the graphics, voice acting, kinect support, team interactions, storyline *throughout the entire game*, and a few of the more advancements in gameplay that came about in ME3 like the Omni-blade *which everyone loves btw*.

Sorry that I had to get all of this out of my head in this forum, but the thought of an extended cut being ANYTHING close to a finale of such a great series, is sadly insulting. I am actually hoping that I am dead wrong. And look forward to being proven wrong. But until there is an actual ending at some point, the game is just a pretty good multiplayer *which I still love to no end*, and almost no reason for replaying the single player campaign *making my promotions effect ONLY my N7 rating and is only ignored in single player play*.
Thank you for taking your time.

Modifié par bk1217, 05 avril 2012 - 11:56 .

[Reanimated One]

Freckle Face wrote...
You couldn't have honestly expected them to spend all the time and resources it would have taken to take out the old ending, come up with a completely new one, and then implement that in a FREE DLC? Am I really the *only* one who thinks that is ridiculous?

No, not at all. Everybody at EA and Bio apparently agrees with you. And we all know they are a beacon of good judgement. 

Modifié par Reanimated One, 05 avril 2012 - 11:58 .

[da mighty rEAper]

acidic-ph0 wrote...

This is a loss to "artistic integrity" everywhere... So Bioware will really keep a poorly written, deus ex machina, turd of an ending... and just polish it up. I'm disgusted by this company and Bioware will never see another cent from me.

True artists will admit when they screwed up by showing bad technique and WILL fix it, especially if the art is commercial. A bad artist will hide behind "artistic licence" to avoid admitting that their work sucks. So now it's absolutely clear what Bioware is.

+

[timj2011]

bydoritos wrote...

Dear Bioware
You'd better do it right.. or you can say "goodbye" for me and my Wallet.. because we're moving to ubisoft .

this is what bothers me about all you goons on here...so are you saying that you dont play anything but bioware games...what?

your "moving" to ubisoft, why arent you already there? ubi makes good games?

im not "in" with bioware, i just bought the mass effect games, Im not "in" with rockstar, i just bought red dead...

what do you mean you are moving.......?

[Reanimated One]

Shepard108278 wrote...

DigitalAvatar wrote...

Freckle Face wrote...
You couldn't have honestly expected them to spend all the time and resources it would have taken to take out the old ending, come up with a completely new one, and then implement that in a FREE DLC? Am I really the *only* one who thinks that is ridiculous?

And yet CD Projekt RED manage to provide an enhanced edition of The Witcher 2, with massive improvements and adding hours of extra game content - without any charge to existing owners.
There is no reason AT ALL that BioWare could not do so if they wanted to support customers.

Yes there is. You and others are asking Bioware to change key plot points throughout the game because you don't like them. BIG difference.

Key plot points, or gigantic, gaping plot holes with new characters introduced in the final minutes of a trilogy? BIG DIFFERENCE.

Modifié par Reanimated One, 06 avril 2012 - 12:01 .

[Kargsure]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Baher of Glory wrote...

Izana wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Zalera1 wrote...

All the endings will still be the same. All what you will still get is a diffrent color.
Decisions from Mass Effect 1 & 2 won't matter in the end.
War Assests won't matter either.
This is just an Extended Cut as clarification.
Artistic Vision? How dare they, Bioware, call themselves artistic after making DA2 and ME3.
They should be ashamed of themselves.

Where did you get that the war assets don't matter? It tells you you make it earth and it tells you how many of the three ending you get it tells you how you final choice ends........Who told you that it doesn't matter?

Obviously, he does not know that low war assets means everbody dies.

Supposing that most of us had enough war assets to get all possible endings, it was for all of us the same, regarding the last minutes, which destroyed utterly what we built up in ME 1 - ME 3.
Now we heard and read often enough that this is the "artistic vision" which the BW-people are proud on.
DA 2 set the trend and ME 3 is totally in line with it.

This behaviour is typical for an oligarchy which EA and some others have formed or are about to form.

IMO the "ME3-scandal" is not the end of the line, as long as customers don't start to boycott vigorously and consequently products of certain developers and publishers.

all the ME games ended like this....You just didnt mind it then.

While to some extend I agree the difference is that ME3 is the end of a story the other 2 games were just the begining and the middle therefore leaving questions was fine so a "To Be Continued" ending was fine.  Yes I know there will be other ME games - but while these will be set within the ME Universe they won't be about Shepard - therefore it is fair to say that ME3 is the ending to Shepard's story, and it, in my opinion, needs to be just that a proper ending.

[SalsaDMA]

Shepard108278 wrote...

DigitalAvatar wrote...

Freckle Face wrote...
You couldn't have honestly expected them to spend all the time and resources it would have taken to take out the old ending, come up with a completely new one, and then implement that in a FREE DLC? Am I really the *only* one who thinks that is ridiculous?

And yet CD Projekt RED manage to provide an enhanced edition of The Witcher 2, with massive improvements and adding hours of extra game content - without any charge to existing owners.
There is no reason AT ALL that BioWare could not do so if they wanted to support customers.

Yes there is. You and others are asking Bioware to change key plot points throughout the game because you don't like them. BIG difference.

If by "key plot points" you mean that deus Ex machina they pulled out from the rear in the last 10 minutes with no prior warning, then yes, that's exactly what people want gone.

However, I would like to give my opinion that you and I will respectfully disagree on what constitutes a "key plot point" then. Not to mention that the postulates made in the ending where complete nonsense as well...