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[Kargsure]

Thanatos144 wrote...

kbct wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

ShinsFortress wrote...

ME3 already down to £17 on Amazon UK.....

so Amazon is having a sale on it.....So?

60% off after a month? It's discounted at a number of retail locations. Amazon UK is just one example.

So? Maybe they had a huge backstock for the UK...If I understood they didnt get the game at the same time us in the US did and many were pissed by that.

Somehow I doubt that the UK release date being 3 days (probably closer to 67-68 hours due to differences in Timezone) was really a contributing factor.

[jtrook]

Let this be my one time to vent (apologies for those I offend). This is a band-aid for an awful excuse for an ending. Lazy writers use world resetting events when they cannot cleverly come up with a way to properly end a series. Extending the ending is NOT, I repeat NOT, what the "vocal minority", ,as Bioware and EA has labeled us unfairly, wanted. You LOST your artistic integrity with day one DLC, semi-decent multiplayer that is REQUIRED to get the special scene, and this stunt. Mass Effect 3 is now a product and has long since lost the right to claim anything artistic on this product. Have a nice day

[bydoritos]

timj2011 wrote...

bydoritos wrote...

Dear Bioware
You'd better do it right.. or you can say "goodbye" for me and my Wallet.. because we're moving to ubisoft .

this is what bothers me about all you goons on here...so are you saying that you dont play anything but bioware games...what?

your "moving" to ubisoft, why arent you already there? ubi makes good games?

im not "in" with bioware, i just bought the mass effect games, Im not "in" with rockstar, i just bought red dead...

what do you mean you are moving.......?

I just want to say that I will not buy games from EA / Bioware anymore. Because we stay here one month giving them feedback, and if they can not fix ME3, this will be enough for me to leave.

  And when i say ubi, i mean the competition .. anything but EA / Bioware.

Because let's be serious.. Artistic Integrity it's just a way of arrogance.

[LinksOcarina]

Kargsure wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

kbct wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

ShinsFortress wrote...

ME3 already down to £17 on Amazon UK.....

so Amazon is having a sale on it.....So?

60% off after a month? It's discounted at a number of retail locations. Amazon UK is just one example.

So? Maybe they had a huge backstock for the UK...If I understood they didnt get the game at the same time us in the US did and many were pissed by that.

Somehow I doubt that the UK release date being 3 days (probably closer to 67-68 hours due to differences in Timezone) was really a contributing factor.

Well I know in the U.S gamestop sells games for cheap a few weeks after the game is released to try and get people to buy it  used or to trade in for it. It's a typical tactic they employ.

That said, do we have official sale numbers for the game at all?

[Kargsure]

Thanatos144 wrote...

TFJetfire wrote...

The disc is the license and like anything else - be it book, game, movie, etc. I have as much right to complain to the company where it failed to deliver.

That is what I am doing with Bioware with regards to the ending.

yes you can complain....You do not have a right to demand they change it cause you didnt like it. Nor do they have to listen to your demands.

Actually you are wrong - I do have the right to demand a new ending - however as you said Bioware are well within thier rights to ignore me, them doing the later in no way invalidates my right to do the former.

[Kargsure]

Benny8484 wrote...

Good luck at PAX Bioware, your going to need it...

Apparently they plan to ignore the ending at the ME3 panel

http://i.imgur.com/ZBpx4.png

Yeah...good luck getting away with that (I seriously hope they didn't plan to discuss anything else of any real importance - heck I can even see the DA panel becoming a series of questions along the lines of "After DA2 can you guarantee that DA3 won't have a nonsensical ending like ME3?" etc

Modifié par Kargsure, 06 avril 2012 - 12:15 .

[grimlock122]

 it should be called the stfu dlc

[LinksOcarina]

Kargsure wrote...

Benny8484 wrote...

Good luck at PAX Bioware, your going to need it...

Apparently they plan to ignore the ending at the ME3 panel

http://i.imgur.com/ZBpx4.png

Yeah...good luck getting away with that (I seriously hope they didn't plan to discuss anything else of any real importance - heck I can even see the DA panel becoming a series of questions along the lines of "After DA2 can you guarantee that DA3 won't have a nonsensical ending like ME3?" etc

The sad part is, the minute that happens it just proves BioWare and the gaming press right about the perception of the fans.

And we know it will happen, and we know that some will try to keep it civil, but others won't listen.

Vicious cycle all around. 

[shogunkai]

So... I guess I bought my last Bioware game. What a shame.

Modifié par shogunkai, 06 avril 2012 - 12:20 .

[BentOrgy]

Wonderful; throwing more money away in the desperate attempt to believe that this DLC will make things better. Haven't we learned our lesson by now? Ever since Arrival, Edmonton's credibility has drastically plummeted.

To a lot of fans; it isn't just the endings that need fixing; its the bulk of the game; dialogue, romances, exposition, character development, even basic mechanics like a Journal that's actually worth looking at. Its just that the endings have gotten more media coverage. Are you planning on fixing the core game as well?

Of course not; too much money, time, and media back-peddling would be required. So why bother trying to please people at all?

[Brass_Buckles]

I will download it, and see how it goes, but I don't think I'll be satisfied. The ending simply did not mesh with any other part of the game in tone or style. It didn't mesh with either of the previous games, either. Simply expanding on it probably won't be enough to make it satisfying. It's already difficult to do a replay--enough so that I'm pretty sure I won't be putting money into DLC unless there are alternative endings added via DLC in the future that make it less depressing. Since we've already been denied that, I probably won't be dropping money into ME3 like I did with ME2 and DA:O--both games that were, in my opinion, worth every extra cent I spent.

Others may disagree, but I feel that the game would have been far better had the ending not involved choice at all, but rather the results of the choices you'd already made through the course of all three games. Maybe, in the end, that's why so many of us feel so dissatisfied. All we wanted out of ME3 was to see what our decisions had done to change the ME-verse, but we got cookie-cutter endings with different colors of food dye on them.

[t-dave]

Never felt so conflicted about a game in my life.

I thought the first 99% of Mass Effect to be stunning--a gut-wrenching journey full of beauty, triumph, and sacrifice. The remaining 1%--the ending--I found to be self-contradicting and dismissive of the established themes of the series.

I never asked for anything to be changed. I didn't protest. I haven't posted about the ending at all here until just now.

But I have watched how EA and Bioware have responded with great interest. I don't question their artistic integrity. Never have. Thing is, artistic integrity does mean something. My artistic integrity tells me I don't have to support art I react negatively to. And my reaction to that ending: That's what 14 years of goodwill disappearing in 10 minutes looks like.

I've been playing Bioware games since Baldur's Gate. Back in the day, I'd buy any game they made--sight unseen. Now, well, I'm not saying I'll never purchase another Bioware game again. But if I happen to see certain people's names attached to a project, I will not purchase it.

Releasing a DLC clarifying the ending won't fix things, even if it's free. What counts is that the people involved let Mass Effect 3 go out the door while thinking that ending would be acceptable. No lie, if they choose to extend that ending to 30 minutes, it would only double the amount of time I felt bad about Mass Effect 3.

It's a darn shame. I thought the writing up to that point was spectacular. And I'd be remiss if I didn't end this by saying to those responsible, thank you so much for delivering the way you did. When I play though the game in the future, I'll take what I can from it. Beautiful stuff. Thank you.

For the ones responsible for the ending, I'll stop before I reach the point where the wheels fall off and shut the game down. With that, I'll treat the ending to the greatest insult an enemy can suffer. To be ignored.

[charmedmeat]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Kargsure wrote...

Benny8484 wrote...

Good luck at PAX Bioware, your going to need it...

Apparently they plan to ignore the ending at the ME3 panel

http://i.imgur.com/ZBpx4.png

Yeah...good luck getting away with that (I seriously hope they didn't plan to discuss anything else of any real importance - heck I can even see the DA panel becoming a series of questions along the lines of "After DA2 can you guarantee that DA3 won't have a nonsensical ending like ME3?" etc

The sad part is, the minute that happens it just proves BioWare and the gaming press right about the perception of the fans.

And we know it will happen, and we know that some will try to keep it civil, but others won't listen.

Vicious cycle all around. 

This is patently rediculous.  How about flip it around and discus how their and the gaming press' behavior proves how patently out of touch, arrogant and elitist they are?

[Kargsure]

Robhuzz wrote...

potatooverdose wrote...

Honestly, your getting free stuff (cinematics). From EA. These cinematics might take your choices into account, and give you more varied endings which might go a long way towards improving the last 10 minutes which ruin an otherwise amazing 35 hour game.

But seriously: Your getting free stuff from EA. Count your blessings and move on.

Something.... is wrong.

EA doesn't give out free stuff.... Never... This is a trap. Has to be.

While it may be free for us, EA is definitely getting something out of the deal - they are already rEAping the benefits just by making the announcement.  In a few short hours they have started to fracture the fanbase (in particular those that dislike the ending), and gain some creedence to the notion that we are "Entitled Whiners" after all they have said they are giving us additional ending content for free and we're still not happy.  That they don't appear to be addressing our concerns is beside the point - we're apparently just supposed to accept any bone they throw us and shut the hell up.  Right now they what EA needs more than anything else is good publicity, or at the very least ammunition to soften or weaken the negative publicity they are currently receiving.

[Vhaius]

Give me the choice to defy. I am aware of the irony in that sentence.

[woodbyte]

t-dave wrote...

Never felt so conflicted about a game in my life.

I thought the first 99% of Mass Effect to be stunning--a gut-wrenching journey full of beauty, triumph, and sacrifice. The remaining 1%--the ending--I found to be self-contradicting and dismissive of the established themes of the series.

I never asked for anything to be changed. I didn't protest. I haven't posted about the ending at all here until just now.

But I have watched how EA and Bioware have responded with great interest. I don't question their artistic integrity. Never have. Thing is, artistic integrity does mean something. My artistic integrity tells me I don't have to support art I react negatively to. And my reaction to that ending: That's what 14 years of goodwill disappearing in 10 minutes looks like.

I've been playing Bioware games since Baldur's Gate. Back in the day, I'd buy any game they made--sight unseen. Now, well, I'm not saying I'll never purchase another Bioware game again. But if I happen to see certain people's names attached to a project, I will not purchase it.

Releasing a DLC clarifying the ending won't fix things, even if it's free. What counts is that the people involved let Mass Effect 3 go out the door while thinking that ending would be acceptable. No lie, if they choose to extend that ending to 30 minutes, it would only double the amount of time I felt bad about Mass Effect 3.

It's a darn shame. I thought the writing up to that point was spectacular. And I'd be remiss if I didn't end this by saying to those responsible, thank you so much for delivering the way you did. When I play though the game in the future, I'll take what I can from it. Beautiful stuff. Thank you.

For the ones responsible for the ending, I'll stop before I reach the point where the wheels fall off and shut the game down. With that, I'll treat the ending to the greatest insult an enemy can suffer. To be ignored.

+1

[Shepard108278]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Shepard108278 wrote...

DigitalAvatar wrote...

Freckle Face wrote...
You couldn't have honestly expected them to spend all the time and resources it would have taken to take out the old ending, come up with a completely new one, and then implement that in a FREE DLC? Am I really the *only* one who thinks that is ridiculous?

And yet CD Projekt RED manage to provide an enhanced edition of The Witcher 2, with massive improvements and adding hours of extra game content - without any charge to existing owners.
There is no reason AT ALL that BioWare could not do so if they wanted to support customers.

Yes there is. You and others are asking Bioware to change key plot points throughout the game because you don't like them. BIG difference.

If by "key plot points" you mean that deus Ex machina they pulled out from the rear in the last 10 minutes with no prior warning, then yes, that's exactly what people want gone.

However, I would like to give my opinion that you and I will respectfully disagree on what constitutes a "key plot point" then. Not to mention that the postulates made in the ending where complete nonsense as well...

LAst 10 minutes? Try 60% of the game. The Crucible and the Catalyst were key points in the game if the ending was to be changed like you guys want then so would alot of the game.

[Withidread]

I'm glad to see that this is no charge, and I hope that it satisfies at least some of those upset by the ending as released.

As for myself, I too hold artistic vision near and dear, and try to respect it even when I couldn't disagree with it more strongly. So I will accept the endings as they were released. I do not forsee me downloading this, or any other DLC for ME3. I've turned the bulk of my attention (as it relates to Bioware) to the DA franchise and wait to see what game comes next.

[alacorn75]

Derek Larke wrote...
So there you have it. Are we proud of the game we made and the team that made it? Hell yes. Are we going to change the ending of the game? No. Do we appreciate the passion and listen to the feedback delivered to us by our fans? Very much so and we are responding.

So let me get this straight:
Do you love your own game? Yes.
Do you want to give the fans what they asked for? No.
Do you (pretend to) listen to your fans? Umm, probably.
Do you actually care and work the feedback into your content? No.

Sorry, BioWare, you've got to be kidding us. You say you appreciate the passion and the feedback? In what way? You say you are responding? What does it matter if your response is "we'll not change anything"? What's the point of all these "we are listening, believe us!" comments and the "suggestet changes" thread if you were going to ignore them all anyway?

I hope I'll be proven wrong but right now it seems to me that you blew it.

On a side note, EA was just voted the worst company in America in 2012. Seems like it has rubbed off on BioWare as well.

Good night!

[Arzel]

This is very disappointing Bioware..



What small measure of hope I had has now been
dashed upon the rocks of "Artistic vision," or at least, on the delusion
of such. And speaking of which, I believe Duchamp had
more vision with his "Fountain" then y'all had with your ending(s). He at
least had a point he was trying to get across. 

Dadaists y'all are not. 



Honestly; I think ME3 was a great game. But it
seems like at the last second, y'all up and decided to chop the ending off in
favor of this "Artistic vision." Which would explain why the ending(s) seems somewhat hurried, and lacks any of the substance ME1, ME2, and most of
ME3 has. 



I can't speak for anyone else, but I think I won't
be buying any more of y'alls products. Which begs the question; isn't the point of making a
game, (or any product) to ultimately make money? To construct something that everyone enjoys and
want's to purchase. And with any luck, makes them want to purchase from you again? I'm no businessman, but that seems like sound logic to me. 

I respect the decesion y'all made, and wish no evil on y'all for making it. But as the saying goes, "Sucker me once, shame on you. Sucker me twice, shame on me." 

[woodbyte]

alacorn75 wrote...
On a side note, EA was just voted the worst company in America in 2012. Seems like it has rubbed off on BioWare as well.

BioWare is EA. There is no longer a distinction.

[Vincent Rosevalliant]

Bioware:
Why did it take THIS long to come up with THAT answer?

Why is it the wrong answer? Why did you not listen like you said you would?

How do you expect anyone to take anything you say serious after all of these lies?

Why not make good games like you used to?

[PadawanMage71]

Kargsure wrote...

Benny8484 wrote...

Good luck at PAX Bioware, your going to need it...

Apparently they plan to ignore the ending at the ME3 panel

http://i.imgur.com/ZBpx4.png

Yeah...good luck getting away with that (I seriously hope they didn't plan to discuss anything else of any real importance - heck I can even see the DA panel becoming a series of questions along the lines of "After DA2 can you guarantee that DA3 won't have a nonsensical ending like ME3?" etc

Then it's going to be a very short panel. Someone WILL ask...hell, EVERYONE might ask.  

[Linkboy9]

You'll have to forgive my ongoing skepticism, Bioware. I'm not a forgiving person, once my trust is broken to the extent you have taken it with your reaction to your customer's displeasure with your product. It will take much more than a press release stating that you're going to attempt to clarify the worst ten minutes of storytelling in any game I've played (in recent memory) to renew that trust. In my eyes, you lost any claim to your vaunted artistic integrity the moment you decided to make an advertisement the last thing your fans saw after finishing your game, and yet you continue to cling to that word. Artistic. Art. The ending wasn't quality art, and you have no meaningful reason to keep defending it other than pride. That pride is going to strangle you if you don't let go of it. A little humility now and again is healthy. Even for me. Even for you. Hopefully you'll realise this before EA decides they're done pretending you're more than a subsidiary to be milked, if they haven't already.

That being said, thank you for at least deciding not to charge for it.

Cheers,
Linkboy9

[ShadowHawk141]

Somehow I knew something like this would happen.
I hoped for something more, I hoped BW would listen to their fans as they claimed.
They didn't.

I'm disgusted and utterly clueless as to what BW is trying to do here.
The ending is the worst part of videogame I have seen in my whole life and now they come up with this to correct it ?

Shame on you Bioware, you've come a long way with fantastic games, what you're doing now is so not you, it's cheap and insulting, not only towards the fans but also towards your own quality.

How can you be proud of something that is despised by the majority of your customers, I know hearing al this critisism about your product is hard and sour but for petesake don't become so stubborn that you're distanciating yourself from what you once were, a great game developer.

I fathom you wan't to please your customers and hear how good your games are, well act up and make something you can be proud of, if not for the fans then for what you used to be.
Bioware you're sliding down a slope that will only get steeper right now, you'll loose credibility.

When I bought Me3 I bought it because of what you promised, I heared that the ending was horrid before I started playing and hoped that the public opinion was wrong.
Then you came with teasers about the plannes you have for the future of Me3 and that we should hold on to our savegames, then you came with a frase that you had something to talk about at PAX with the fans.
And now this........

I lost my trust in you BW......
I'ts useless to replay ME at all now and I won't, I'll wait and see with what kinda cinematic clips you come up with in the summer but that will be the last time I'll kid myself and think things will turn out well.

Such a shame........