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[MACharlie1]

Major props to anyone who can get a sign into the panel that says "HOLD THE LINE." or if everyone can get their phones to go off - all saying

"We will hold the line!"

[Han Shot First]

Well, at least it is free.

If this was paid DLC there is no way I'd check it out, as simply making a bad ending longer isn't likely to make it more interesting. The ending will still be plagued by plot holes, the Star Child, and thematic inconsistencies.

For 5 years and 3 games the writers explored the theme that peaceful coexistance with synthetics was possible, only to reverse course in the last five minutes of the series. *That* is the biggest problem with the endings, and not one likely to be corrected by 'clarification.'

Modifié par Han Shot First, 06 avril 2012 - 01:35 .

[Provo_101]

Well, it's been a good run, folks.

My fellow ReTakers, may your head canons give you strength, and guide your conclusion to wherever you want it to go.

Peace the **** out.

[Getorex]

Kargsure wrote...

Shepard108278 wrote...

DigitalAvatar wrote...

Freckle Face wrote...
You couldn't have honestly expected them to spend all the time and resources it would have taken to take out the old ending, come up with a completely new one, and then implement that in a FREE DLC? Am I really the *only* one who thinks that is ridiculous?

And yet CD Projekt RED manage to provide an enhanced edition of The Witcher 2, with massive improvements and adding hours of extra game content - without any charge to existing owners.
There is no reason AT ALL that BioWare could not do so if they wanted to support customers.

Yes there is. You and others are asking Bioware to change key plot points throughout the game because you don't like them. BIG difference.

I would argue that key plot points that didn't exist until the last 10 minutes is hardly "throughout the game".

Ya.  That totally puzzled me...WHAT key plot points throughout the game?!  Starturd?  Where was Starturd before the last Full Retard moments?  No, that dream nonsense wasn't Starturd, that was Shep getting all weak and weepy over some random little f*ck.  I mean, seriously.  What if your Shepard is a "sole survivor"?  He's USED to being the last man standing.  He's done it before just fine.  He didn't whine and cry and get all weepy over those lost!  Worse, what if your Shep is a renegade or MOSTLY renegade?  Suddenly they turn him into some sissy pansy weepy limpdick in ME3!  He's all rough and tough until ME3 and then he gets all emotional little teenaged girl!  WTF?  OK...back on the main point...

There were NO major plot points from the game in the last Starturd minutes.  None.  Everything in that sorry vignette appeared out of nowhere IN the last 10 minutes.  

Finally, all anyone ever needs to know about life (writing books, movies, games, school papers, whatever): 

[Deganis76]

Shepard108278 wrote...

Mudzr wrote...

This is good news. The ending really put a sour note on an overall great game.

Really I don't see a problem with the who "clarify" thing.
Bioware is keeping the original endings. Ok, that makes sense, having them deleted and replace could potentially just annoy more people. But the endings fail because they all are essentially the same, and contain quite a few plotholes and lose ends. If this DLC solves that, and does it well, then in my books, it will have sucseeded. Most of the fans have already provided solutions to the plot holes anyway (explosion causes Normandy to be scattered, Dextro Amino food sources found on the citadel, etc.) anyway.

Besides, I'm warming up to the endings anyway. Masseffect has always been about an exploration of the science fiction genre. The Starchild is a huge homage to 2001 Oddessey (where a similiar Starchild appears for an equally random ending), and the Green option is a tie to the more crazy sci fi options, whilst the more coventional Blue and Red options are also available. These endings need to seem different, and make more sense, but I think that'll give us the closure we need.

I agree there are a few holes but it seems they will fix those. I am pleased with the orriginal product and feel this will add the closure I need.

Complete agreement.  This will be the icing on what I have considered to be a very delicious cake.  And for all the fans who want a "new ending" who are speaking for the "vast majority" please stop.  You are not speaking for me.  You are speaking for yourself.

Thank you Bioware!

[The Ole Ultra Violence]

You guys are going to attempt to transform this bleak dribble into a satisfying conclusion for the entire series?... Good f*ckin' luck, you'll need it.

I hope you understand that in order to even approach such a goal you would need extend the ending by YEARS. And that to actually achieve it you would need to negate the implications of the original ending.

If senseless blackness isn't what you hoped to achieve, then why not change the ending? In order to make people happy you'll have to outright contradict it, you;ll have to destroy whatever bizarre point you were trying to make with it in the first place.

I still find it hard to believe that the rest of the team agreed to this ending. Nobody said in production "Casey, this ending sucks, what the hell are you smoking?"

I should stress that despite my gripes, I'm thankful that you tried. You didn't have to listen to us at all and it was a nice gesture, but I guess you decided this was how you wanted it to end. It baffles me, it makes me sad, but it's your right.

Maybe you'll pull through, maybe you'll pull off some magic and fix everything, but I doubt it.

It was fun while it lasted, at least now I can move on.

[EwokAvenger]

I would be happy if they would give you choice in the with star child and a better boss battle. The a,b and c decisions are lame and don't go by how you would do your shepard i thought the whole concept of the mass effect series was choice and the endings wouldn't be like everyone else s.

[Getorex]

Han Shot First wrote...

Well, at least it is free.

If this was paid DLC there is no way I'd check it out, as simply making a bad ending longer isn't likely to make it more interesting. The ending will still be plagued by plot holes, the Star Child, and thematic inconsistencies.

For 5 years and 3 games the writers explored the theme that peaceful coexistance with synthetics was possible, only to reverse course in the last five minutes of the series. *That* is the biggest problem with the endings, and not one likely to be corrected by 'clarification.'

It's worse than that!  There are people working at Bioware that support GENOCIDE.  They SUPPORT genocide.  They think GENOCIDE is a viable solution to...social issues!  Seriousy.  The BEST ending in the game is the one that is hardest to get.  The Red ending (with the gasp of breath) is the hardest ending to obtain.  You need more points for that ending than the others.  THAT means that the Red endng is the ending that Bioware believes is the best one.  THAT ending is predicated upon GENOCIDE.  As you say, it also does a complete 180 on the facts in ME2 AND ME3 about organic/synthetic coexistence in the last moments of the game and presents genocide as THE answer.  

Genocidal maniacs at Bioware. 

[cyniel]

bydoritos wrote...

Dear Bioware
You'd better do it right.. or you can say "goodbye" for me and my Wallet.. because we're moving to ubisoft .

You mean to tell me that you've never given ubisoft your money yet?

I think what you mean to say is "if you don't do this right, I'm never buying another bioware game again"

[Getorex]

Deganis76 wrote...

Shepard108278 wrote...

Mudzr wrote...

This is good news. The ending really put a sour note on an overall great game.

Really I don't see a problem with the who "clarify" thing.
Bioware is keeping the original endings. Ok, that makes sense, having them deleted and replace could potentially just annoy more people. But the endings fail because they all are essentially the same, and contain quite a few plotholes and lose ends. If this DLC solves that, and does it well, then in my books, it will have sucseeded. Most of the fans have already provided solutions to the plot holes anyway (explosion causes Normandy to be scattered, Dextro Amino food sources found on the citadel, etc.) anyway.

Besides, I'm warming up to the endings anyway. Masseffect has always been about an exploration of the science fiction genre. The Starchild is a huge homage to 2001 Oddessey (where a similiar Starchild appears for an equally random ending), and the Green option is a tie to the more crazy sci fi options, whilst the more coventional Blue and Red options are also available. These endings need to seem different, and make more sense, but I think that'll give us the closure we need.

I agree there are a few holes but it seems they will fix those. I am pleased with the orriginal product and feel this will add the closure I need.

Complete agreement.  This will be the icing on what I have considered to be a very delicious cake.  And for all the fans who want a "new ending" who are speaking for the "vast majority" please stop.  You are not speaking for me.  You are speaking for yourself.

Thank you Bioware!

Uh...2001 was followed by 2 sequals that cleared up all that 1960s/70s drug-addled nonsense at the end of 2001.  Think of the sequals as DLC that fixes the ending to 2001.

[eternalnightmare13]

Deganis76 wrote...

Shepard108278 wrote...

Mudzr wrote...

This is good news. The ending really put a sour note on an overall great game.

Really I don't see a problem with the who "clarify" thing.
Bioware is keeping the original endings. Ok, that makes sense, having them deleted and replace could potentially just annoy more people. But the endings fail because they all are essentially the same, and contain quite a few plotholes and lose ends. If this DLC solves that, and does it well, then in my books, it will have sucseeded. Most of the fans have already provided solutions to the plot holes anyway (explosion causes Normandy to be scattered, Dextro Amino food sources found on the citadel, etc.) anyway.

Besides, I'm warming up to the endings anyway. Masseffect has always been about an exploration of the science fiction genre. The Starchild is a huge homage to 2001 Oddessey (where a similiar Starchild appears for an equally random ending), and the Green option is a tie to the more crazy sci fi options, whilst the more coventional Blue and Red options are also available. These endings need to seem different, and make more sense, but I think that'll give us the closure we need.

I agree there are a few holes but it seems they will fix those. I am pleased with the orriginal product and feel this will add the closure I need.

Complete agreement.  This will be the icing on what I have considered to be a very delicious cake.  And for all the fans who want a "new ending" who are speaking for the "vast majority" please stop.  You are not speaking for me.  You are speaking for yourself.

Thank you Bioware!

+1

[Kargsure]

Shepard108278 wrote...

Kargsure wrote...

Shepard108278 wrote...

DigitalAvatar wrote...

Freckle Face wrote...
You couldn't have honestly expected them to spend all the time and resources it would have taken to take out the old ending, come up with a completely new one, and then implement that in a FREE DLC? Am I really the *only* one who thinks that is ridiculous?

And yet CD Projekt RED manage to provide an enhanced edition of The Witcher 2, with massive improvements and adding hours of extra game content - without any charge to existing owners.
There is no reason AT ALL that BioWare could not do so if they wanted to support customers.

Yes there is. You and others are asking Bioware to change key plot points throughout the game because you don't like them. BIG difference.

I would argue that key plot points that didn't exist until the last 10 minutes is hardly "throughout the game".

I was talking about the cruicible and the catalyst all would have to be altered.

Fair enough - I personally don't have an issue with them per se - just the final execution so to speak, but I understand how you and others could have an issue with them in their entirety.

[eternalnightmare13]

KayB1991 wrote...

 No, this is not what we wanted...

We? No, I think you mean yourself.  You don't speak for me and my wants, child.

Modifié par eternalnightmare13, 06 avril 2012 - 01:46 .

[Shepard108278]

Kargsure wrote...

Shepard108278 wrote...

Kargsure wrote...

Shepard108278 wrote...

DigitalAvatar wrote...

Freckle Face wrote...
You couldn't have honestly expected them to spend all the time and resources it would have taken to take out the old ending, come up with a completely new one, and then implement that in a FREE DLC? Am I really the *only* one who thinks that is ridiculous?

And yet CD Projekt RED manage to provide an enhanced edition of The Witcher 2, with massive improvements and adding hours of extra game content - without any charge to existing owners.
There is no reason AT ALL that BioWare could not do so if they wanted to support customers.

Yes there is. You and others are asking Bioware to change key plot points throughout the game because you don't like them. BIG difference.

I would argue that key plot points that didn't exist until the last 10 minutes is hardly "throughout the game".

I was talking about the cruicible and the catalyst all would have to be altered.

Fair enough - I personally don't have an issue with them per se - just the final execution so to speak, but I understand how you and others could have an issue with them in their entirety.

I don't I tjust kinda figured if the Star Child was to be changed so would that have to. For the record I'm fine with all three though I understand most aren't.

[Han Shot First]

Getorex wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Well, at least it is free.

If this was paid DLC there is no way I'd check it out, as simply making a bad ending longer isn't likely to make it more interesting. The ending will still be plagued by plot holes, the Star Child, and thematic inconsistencies.

For 5 years and 3 games the writers explored the theme that peaceful coexistance with synthetics was possible, only to reverse course in the last five minutes of the series. *That* is the biggest problem with the endings, and not one likely to be corrected by 'clarification.'

It's worse than that!  There are people working at Bioware that support GENOCIDE.  They SUPPORT genocide.  They think GENOCIDE is a viable solution to...social issues!  Seriousy.  The BEST ending in the game is the one that is hardest to get.  The Red ending (with the gasp of breath) is the hardest ending to obtain.  You need more points for that ending than the others.  THAT means that the Red endng is the ending that Bioware believes is the best one.  THAT ending is predicated upon GENOCIDE.  As you say, it also does a complete 180 on the facts in ME2 AND ME3 about organic/synthetic coexistence in the last moments of the game and presents genocide as THE answer.  

Genocidal maniacs at Bioware. 

The Green Ending also involves a form of genocide, as all organic life is irrevocably altered. Whatever made us human, or the people of Thessia Asari, or the people of Palaven Turian, or the people of Tuchanka Krogan, is wiped out in a single green flash of space magic. Were the Asari or Turians or Krogan your favorite race? All gone now ---- everyone is a cyborg.

The Repears also survive in both the Blue & Green Endings, which makes both variations of a fail ending.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 06 avril 2012 - 01:48 .

[XenoAlbedo]

eternalnightmare13 wrote...

KayB1991 wrote...

 No, this is not what we wanted...

We? No, I think you mean yourself.  You don't speak for me and my wants, child.

Ok this is not what most of us wanted. We wanted more than closure. We wanted an ending where our choiced mattered along with everything we did throughout the game (Side quests, readiness, EMS, etc.) We wanted various endings not just 3 duplicates!

[Ryokun1989]

TheNevincer wrote...

Dear Bioware,
Give Shepard the choice to defy the Catalyst in the extended cut.

- Sincererly, a Fan.

Pick 'destroy' you effing dolt.

[XenoAlbedo]

Ryokun1989 wrote...

TheNevincer wrote...

Dear Bioware,
Give Shepard the choice to defy the Catalyst in the extended cut.

- Sincererly, a Fan.

Pick 'destroy' you effing dolt.

Not good enough. Shepard needs to throw ghost boy into the beam!
OK joking there.

Modifié par XenoAlbedo, 06 avril 2012 - 01:50 .

[Ryokun1989]

XenoAlbedo wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

TheNevincer wrote...

Dear Bioware,
Give Shepard the choice to defy the Catalyst in the extended cut.

- Sincererly, a Fan.

Pick 'destroy' you effing dolt.

Not good enough. Shepard needs to throw ghost boy into the beam!

I think this is what you're looking for:

 

[dkear1]

Bioware, it surprises me greatly that you think giving the finger to many of your fans is a good idea. Perhaps you really do want to get rid of us in favor of the COD type fans that ea seems to love. Been nice knowing you but no one spits in my face and tells me to "deal with it". I won't be downloading your failed attempt at clarifying things nor will I be purchasing any more products from you or ea.

Good luck with the COD crowd!

[Getorex]

Point to consider: Only a full-retard would buy any DLC BEFORE the release of the ending...obfuscation... project thing. THAT is likely the main reason for the announcement: to trick people into thinking, "Oh, OK, they're going to fix this bastard so I guess it's all good", and then you'll get suckered into handing over cash for pre-ending DLC. Then MAYBE the ending DLC thing will come out, or maybe it wont, and you will then find that, "SH*T! This is even worse than the original!" Suckers. They already bled you of MORE money before they pulled the rug out from under you AGAIN.

Suckers. Oh, it is also an attempt to muzzle criticism before PAX. They want to try and paint their own bread and butter as rabid crazies who simply cannot be satisfied (by demonstrating that they are NOT listening and never were!).

Finally: the movie. They likely envision a trilogy since the first movie is supposed to be based on ME1. I'll bet my left nut that when/if they ever get to the 3rd movie in the trilogy that the ending it has is NOTHING like the ending they are foisting on the game. NO WAY. NO test audience would go for that rotting corpse of a full retard ending. The MOVIE will get the real ending and their so-called "artistic vision" will be proven to be nothing but the drug-and-alcohol-fueled nonsense that is CLEARLY is.

[XenoAlbedo]

Getorex wrote...

Point to consider: Only a full-retard would buy any DLC BEFORE the release of the ending...obfuscation... project thing. THAT is likely the main reason for the announcement: to trick people into thinking, "Oh, OK, they're going to fix this bastard so I guess it's all good", and then you'll get suckered into handing over cash for pre-ending DLC. Then MAYBE the ending DLC thing will come out, or maybe it wont, and you will then find that, "SH*T! This is even worse than the original!" Suckers. They already bled you of MORE money before they pulled the rug out from under you AGAIN.

Suckers. Oh, it is also an attempt to muzzle criticism before PAX. They want to try and paint their own bread and butter as rabid crazies who simply cannot be satisfied (by demonstrating that they are NOT listening and never were!).

Finally: the movie. They likely envision a trilogy since the first movie is supposed to be based on ME1. I'll bet my left nut that when/if they ever get to the 3rd movie in the trilogy that the ending it has is NOTHING like the ending they are foisting on the game. NO WAY. NO test audience would go for that rotting corpse of a full retard ending. The MOVIE will get the real ending and their so-called "artistic vision" will be proven to be nothing but the drug-and-alcohol-fueled nonsense that is CLEARLY is.

I know for a fact I wasn't buying anything and I may still not depending on how good this DLC is.

[Ryokun1989]

dkear1 wrote...

Bioware, it surprises me greatly that you think giving the finger to many of your fans is a good idea. Perhaps you really do want to get rid of us in favor of the COD type fans that ea seems to love. Been nice knowing you but no one spits in my face and tells me to "deal with it". I won't be downloading your failed attempt at clarifying things nor will I be purchasing any more products from you or ea.

Good luck with the COD crowd!

I think COD is terribly boring.

*spits in your face* Deal with it.

[Freskione2]

BTW..if "Summer is coming" is in any way a veiled comparison to GOT .. stop flattering yourselves EA/Biowares. Martin is a much better writer than whoever wrote the ending to ME3.

[XenoAlbedo]

Ryokun1989 wrote...

dkear1 wrote...

Bioware, it surprises me greatly that you think giving the finger to many of your fans is a good idea. Perhaps you really do want to get rid of us in favor of the COD type fans that ea seems to love. Been nice knowing you but no one spits in my face and tells me to "deal with it". I won't be downloading your failed attempt at clarifying things nor will I be purchasing any more products from you or ea.

Good luck with the COD crowd!

I think COD is terribly boring.

*spits in your face* Deal with it.

I'm pretty sure he was insulting COD.