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[Kargsure]

Ryokun1989 wrote...

TheNevincer wrote...

Dear Bioware,
Give Shepard the choice to defy the Catalyst in the extended cut.

- Sincererly, a Fan.

Pick 'destroy' you effing dolt.

How exactly is that defying the Catalyst - it's one of the options present to you by the StarBrat.  In fact if you don't have a high enough EMS then this is the *only* option you are presented with.  Just because you choose the least worst choice - doesn't automatically make it a good one.

[BigZ7337]

This is just another stalling PR move, though it is the best one they've done so far. It still makes me dislike EA and Bioware more, they just can't talk to their fans like real people. The whole thing is designed to make anyone that complains look like cry babies since it's free content and it hasn't come out yet. They want the fans to shut up for a few months so sales can climb back up. I have incredibly low hopes for the DLC, because I don't think there's any way to clarify the current endings, as they are simply broken. Oh well, hopefully they can listen to the fans and actually give us a good ending instead of the s**t we currently have. :/

[Ryokun1989]

XenoAlbedo wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

dkear1 wrote...

Bioware, it surprises me greatly that you think giving the finger to many of your fans is a good idea. Perhaps you really do want to get rid of us in favor of the COD type fans that ea seems to love. Been nice knowing you but no one spits in my face and tells me to "deal with it". I won't be downloading your failed attempt at clarifying things nor will I be purchasing any more products from you or ea.

Good luck with the COD crowd!

I think COD is terribly boring.

*spits in your face* Deal with it.

I'm pretty sure he was insulting COD.

Seems to be insinuating that when BioWare are trying to keep their artistic choices somehwat intact, they're ACTUALLY 'spitting in the faces' of the 'real fans', as opposed to those people who actually liked the endings and THEREFORE must be stupid COD fans. But maybe I'm wrong.

[Ryokun1989]

Kargsure wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

TheNevincer wrote...

Dear Bioware,
Give Shepard the choice to defy the Catalyst in the extended cut.

- Sincererly, a Fan.

Pick 'destroy' you effing dolt.

How exactly is that defying the Catalyst - it's one of the options present to you by the StarBrat.  In fact if you don't have a high enough EMS then this is the *only* option you are presented with.  Just because you choose the least worst choice - doesn't automatically make it a good one.

Because you're destroying him and all his reaper friends and saying "I don't believe organics will let their AIs run wild and cause a technological singularity, so you were wrong and you can die now"?

Man, did you guys even pay attention when you played that ending?

[SpiffsGhost]

I think this was the right decision on Bioware's part. They've managed a very diplomatic solution here, by maintaining their own vision and at the same time addressing one of the biggest issues that enraged the fans: closure. Personally, this was the only thing that I found lacking with the conclusion of the series, and I am very pleased that they are offering this for free (as they should, really).

I sympathize with the rest of the fans that still feel slighted by this, because they are never going to be happy with anything that proceeds from here on out, but honestly it's a bit childish at this point to continue complaining.

I like to think of the entirety of ME3 as an ending, a conclusion to many plot threads built up from the previous two games. Did the story sometimes venture in ways I didn't particularly like? Sure. But as much as Bioware wants the players to make this story their own, it is ultimately Bioware's story, and it was an incredibly fascinating, compelling story at that. You want your story to end the way you want? Build an unfathomably rich and complex game from the ground up and write the ending the way you envision it.

- Spiff

Modifié par SpiffsGhost, 06 avril 2012 - 02:04 .

[cyniel]

Kargsure wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

TheNevincer wrote...

Dear Bioware,
Give Shepard the choice to defy the Catalyst in the extended cut.

- Sincererly, a Fan.

Pick 'destroy' you effing dolt.

How exactly is that defying the Catalyst - it's one of the options present to you by the StarBrat.  In fact if you don't have a high enough EMS then this is the *only* option you are presented with.  Just because you choose the least worst choice - doesn't automatically make it a good one.

Actually no. Even with a high EMS, you are presented with all 3 choices. Don't eliminate the choice that I had to make. 

[cyniel]

SpiffsGhost wrote...

I think this was the right decision on Bioware's part. They've managed a very diplomatic solution here, by maintaining their own vision and at the same time addressing one of the biggest issues that enraged the fans: closure. Personally, this was the only thing that I found lacking with the conclusion of the series, and I am very pleased that they are offering this for free (as they should, really).

I sympathize with the rest of the fans that still feel slighted by this, because they are never going to be happy with anything that proceeds from here on out, but honestly it's a bit childish at this point to continue complaining.

I like to think of the entirety of ME3 as an ending, a conclusion to many plot threads built up from the previous two games. Did the story sometimes venture in ways I didn't particularly like? Sure. But as much as Bioware wants the players to make this story their own, it is ultimately Bioware's story, and it was an incredibly fascinating, compelling story at that. You want your story to end the way you want? Build an unfathomably rich and complex game from the ground up and write the ending the way you envision it.

- Spiff

Well said.

[Han Shot First]

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Kargsure wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

TheNevincer wrote...

Dear Bioware,
Give Shepard the choice to defy the Catalyst in the extended cut.

- Sincererly, a Fan.

Pick 'destroy' you effing dolt.

How exactly is that defying the Catalyst - it's one of the options present to you by the StarBrat.  In fact if you don't have a high enough EMS then this is the *only* option you are presented with.  Just because you choose the least worst choice - doesn't automatically make it a good one.

Because you're destroying him and all his reaper friends and saying "I don't believe organics will let their AIs run wild and cause a technological singularity, so you were wrong and you can die now"?

Man, did you guys even pay attention when you played that ending?

Except even with the Red Ending Shepard is forced into accepting the Star Child's logic that organics and synthetics cannot peacefully coexist. If Shepard wants to destroy the Reapers it has to come at the cost of betraying and killing his synthetic allies.

[Getorex]

XenoAlbedo wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

dkear1 wrote...

Bioware, it surprises me greatly that you think giving the finger to many of your fans is a good idea. Perhaps you really do want to get rid of us in favor of the COD type fans that ea seems to love. Been nice knowing you but no one spits in my face and tells me to "deal with it". I won't be downloading your failed attempt at clarifying things nor will I be purchasing any more products from you or ea.

Good luck with the COD crowd!

I think COD is terribly boring.

*spits in your face* Deal with it.

I'm pretty sure he was insulting COD.

Well, CoD is fine for what it is: a linear shooter.  TOTALLY different animal than what USED to be the focus of Bioware.  Bioware (under EA influence or just under plain stupid influence?) seems to be drifting towards the CoD style of linear shooter.

CoD is more of a war simulator.  Missions in war ARE linear.  You do NOT go off on a mission and look over yonder and spot an interesting rock or city and go, "You know,  I think we should go over there and explore!"  You have a mission.  You have a target, you have a time table, you have a map and a course.  You do the mission, you get out.  Linear.  Always.  There's no drifting around and learning history and backstory from the locals, no going off on your own to explore this or that, to discover this or that.  So...a linear shooter is fine as what it is:  a simulation of actual war.  

Bioware hasn't been in that arena, doing more of the broad RPG thing.  These are NOT military simulations.  They are NOT war missions.  They are broad, open, exploratory and expository games.  EA takes over and now Bioware is getting more and more CoD and less RPG.  Everyone in EA is being funneled down to the same basic game type and style.  RIP Bioware.

[cyniel]

Han Shot First wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Kargsure wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

TheNevincer wrote...

Dear Bioware,
Give Shepard the choice to defy the Catalyst in the extended cut.

- Sincererly, a Fan.

Pick 'destroy' you effing dolt.

How exactly is that defying the Catalyst - it's one of the options present to you by the StarBrat.  In fact if you don't have a high enough EMS then this is the *only* option you are presented with.  Just because you choose the least worst choice - doesn't automatically make it a good one.

Because you're destroying him and all his reaper friends and saying "I don't believe organics will let their AIs run wild and cause a technological singularity, so you were wrong and you can die now"?

Man, did you guys even pay attention when you played that ending?

Except even with the Red Ending Shepard is forced into accepting the Star Child's logic that organics and synthetics cannot peacefully coexist. If Shepard wants to destroy the Reapers it has to come at the cost of betraying and killing his synthetic allies.

Not unless you never really liked them to begin with. You can interpret and view a situation in any number of ways.

[Ryokun1989]

Han Shot First wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Kargsure wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

TheNevincer wrote...

Dear Bioware,
Give Shepard the choice to defy the Catalyst in the extended cut.

- Sincererly, a Fan.

Pick 'destroy' you effing dolt.

How exactly is that defying the Catalyst - it's one of the options present to you by the StarBrat.  In fact if you don't have a high enough EMS then this is the *only* option you are presented with.  Just because you choose the least worst choice - doesn't automatically make it a good one.

Because you're destroying him and all his reaper friends and saying "I don't believe organics will let their AIs run wild and cause a technological singularity, so you were wrong and you can die now"?

Man, did you guys even pay attention when you played that ending?

Except even with the Red Ending Shepard is forced into accepting the Star Child's logic that organics and synthetics cannot peacefully coexist. If Shepard wants to destroy the Reapers it has to come at the cost of betraying and killing his synthetic allies.

What, you thought it was going to be easy? If you want to save them so badly, you can pick control for instance.

[Han Shot First]

cyniel wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Kargsure wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

TheNevincer wrote...

Dear Bioware,
Give Shepard the choice to defy the Catalyst in the extended cut.

- Sincererly, a Fan.

Pick 'destroy' you effing dolt.

How exactly is that defying the Catalyst - it's one of the options present to you by the StarBrat.  In fact if you don't have a high enough EMS then this is the *only* option you are presented with.  Just because you choose the least worst choice - doesn't automatically make it a good one.

Because you're destroying him and all his reaper friends and saying "I don't believe organics will let their AIs run wild and cause a technological singularity, so you were wrong and you can die now"?

Man, did you guys even pay attention when you played that ending?

Except even with the Red Ending Shepard is forced into accepting the Star Child's logic that organics and synthetics cannot peacefully coexist. If Shepard wants to destroy the Reapers it has to come at the cost of betraying and killing his synthetic allies.

Not unless you never really liked them to begin with. You can interpret and view a situation in any number of ways.

The writers spend a good chunck of Mass Effect 3 exploring the theme that in the end, synthetics are not all that different from organic life, and that peaceful coexistance is possible. From the Rannoch missions to the development of EDI into a person rather than a thing, that was willing to die her ship mates if necessary, the writers had explored that theme. To simply reverse course in the last five minutes of the game and throw all of that out, is an example of bad writing. It is a thematic inconsistency.

What, you thought it was going to be easy? If you want to save them so badly, you can pick control for instance

Bad writing is bad writing.

The writers explored one theme for 5 years and most of three games, only to present another theme in the last five minutes of the series. It is as if a different person was responsible for writing the last five minutes of the game than the person who wrote the rest of the series, and as if they never communicated. The theme presented in the last five minutes is a contradiction of everything that came before it.

And the control ending is a fail ending. The only one where Shepard suceeds in destroying the Reapers (his mission), is the Red Ending.

Modifié par Han Shot First, 06 avril 2012 - 02:14 .

[Getorex]

cyniel wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Kargsure wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

TheNevincer wrote...

Dear Bioware,
Give Shepard the choice to defy the Catalyst in the extended cut.

- Sincererly, a Fan.

Pick 'destroy' you effing dolt.

How exactly is that defying the Catalyst - it's one of the options present to you by the StarBrat.  In fact if you don't have a high enough EMS then this is the *only* option you are presented with.  Just because you choose the least worst choice - doesn't automatically make it a good one.

Because you're destroying him and all his reaper friends and saying "I don't believe organics will let their AIs run wild and cause a technological singularity, so you were wrong and you can die now"?

Man, did you guys even pay attention when you played that ending?

Except even with the Red Ending Shepard is forced into accepting the Star Child's logic that organics and synthetics cannot peacefully coexist. If Shepard wants to destroy the Reapers it has to come at the cost of betraying and killing his synthetic allies.

Not unless you never really liked them to begin with. You can interpret and view a situation in any number of ways.

Ah! The TRUTH comes out!  YOU don't like the synths in ME so YOU are right and any other idea is wrong and the ending SHOULD obey YOUR opinion rather than others.  

No paragon would commit genocide.  The Red ending IS genocide.  Bioware has set the Red ending as the "best" ending (by making it the hardest to achieve).  Clearly they support genocide even though it flies in the face of the story in ME2 and ME3.  ME3's ending itself contradicts ME3 since it was in ME3 not but a few hours prior that the Geth and Quarians can be reconciled.  You SPENT THE ENTIRE DAMN GAME TRYING TO GET EDI INTO JOKER'S PANTS.  Then you kill them all.  NOT paragon, NOT the best ending.  Genocide can never ever be the good/right ending or answer.

[XenoAlbedo]

Ryokun1989 wrote...

XenoAlbedo wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

dkear1 wrote...

Bioware, it surprises me greatly that you think giving the finger to many of your fans is a good idea. Perhaps you really do want to get rid of us in favor of the COD type fans that ea seems to love. Been nice knowing you but no one spits in my face and tells me to "deal with it". I won't be downloading your failed attempt at clarifying things nor will I be purchasing any more products from you or ea.

Good luck with the COD crowd!

I think COD is terribly boring.

*spits in your face* Deal with it.

I'm pretty sure he was insulting COD.

Seems to be insinuating that when BioWare are trying to keep their artistic choices somehwat intact, they're ACTUALLY 'spitting in the faces' of the 'real fans', as opposed to those people who actually liked the endings and THEREFORE must be stupid COD fans. But maybe I'm wrong.

I think he was just saying that the group that would replace those of us that didn't like the ending would be COD fans, not the people that stayed because they liked the ending.

[Zenyattaa]

This is akin to a dog ****ing on my lawn. Sure, you can clarify -why- he **** on my lawn, but that leaves me with the underlying problem of there being dog **** on my lawn.

If you don't plan on changing the ending, PLEASE PLEASE PLEASE, add an additional one where I can tell starchild to go to hell and blow up the citadel, as a final eff you to him and the reapers.

[cyniel]

Getorex wrote...

cyniel wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Kargsure wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

TheNevincer wrote...

Dear Bioware,
Give Shepard the choice to defy the Catalyst in the extended cut.

- Sincererly, a Fan.

Pick 'destroy' you effing dolt.

How exactly is that defying the Catalyst - it's one of the options present to you by the StarBrat.  In fact if you don't have a high enough EMS then this is the *only* option you are presented with.  Just because you choose the least worst choice - doesn't automatically make it a good one.

Because you're destroying him and all his reaper friends and saying "I don't believe organics will let their AIs run wild and cause a technological singularity, so you were wrong and you can die now"?

Man, did you guys even pay attention when you played that ending?

Except even with the Red Ending Shepard is forced into accepting the Star Child's logic that organics and synthetics cannot peacefully coexist. If Shepard wants to destroy the Reapers it has to come at the cost of betraying and killing his synthetic allies.

Not unless you never really liked them to begin with. You can interpret and view a situation in any number of ways.

Ah! The TRUTH comes out!  YOU don't like the synths in ME so YOU are right and any other idea is wrong and the ending SHOULD obey YOUR opinion rather than others.  

No paragon would commit genocide.  The Red ending IS genocide.  Bioware has set the Red ending as the "best" ending (by making it the hardest to achieve).  Clearly they support genocide even though it flies in the face of the story in ME2 and ME3.  ME3's ending itself contradicts ME3 since it was in ME3 not but a few hours prior that the Geth and Quarians can be reconciled.  You SPENT THE ENTIRE DAMN GAME TRYING TO GET EDI INTO JOKER'S PANTS.  Then you kill them all.  NOT paragon, NOT the best ending.  Genocide can never ever be the good/right ending or answer.

Bolded: You imply too much. I love synths but I still choose the destroy ending because that was my mission: destroy the reapers. 

Every post that I see from you is about genocide. Obsessed much? 

Makes me wonder what you thought of the Prothean and that race.

Modifié par cyniel, 06 avril 2012 - 02:18 .

[Getorex]

Can't I just drown the starbaby in a bathtub? Please?

[Smiley556]

As a consumer who has paid for the entertainment product you produced, I am greatly offended by the claim of artistic integrity after the game was sold to me. I was under the reasonable impression the product sold to us was intended for the enjoyment of the consumers, and not the enjoyment of the artists. The game was sold to me with empty promises and lies, and no claim of artistic integrity was made before the game was released.

Artistic integrity and listening to customer feedback cant coexist together. Claiming you want to keep artistic integrity and you are listening to our feedback is a huge contradiction. Artistic integrity by definition means you only care about your own opinion on the shaping of your product/artwork, and not that of the consumers. Thank you for admitting you do not care about our feedback nor our opinions on your product.

If I knew beforehand the product was not designed to please consumers in the first place, I might not have bought it. False advertising in its purest, legal steps will be considered (but probably not undertaken alone).

Sincerely, a cheated consumer.

[Getorex]

cyniel wrote...

Getorex wrote...

cyniel wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Kargsure wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

TheNevincer wrote...

Dear Bioware,
Give Shepard the choice to defy the Catalyst in the extended cut.

- Sincererly, a Fan.

Pick 'destroy' you effing dolt.

How exactly is that defying the Catalyst - it's one of the options present to you by the StarBrat.  In fact if you don't have a high enough EMS then this is the *only* option you are presented with.  Just because you choose the least worst choice - doesn't automatically make it a good one.

Because you're destroying him and all his reaper friends and saying "I don't believe organics will let their AIs run wild and cause a technological singularity, so you were wrong and you can die now"?

Man, did you guys even pay attention when you played that ending?

Except even with the Red Ending Shepard is forced into accepting the Star Child's logic that organics and synthetics cannot peacefully coexist. If Shepard wants to destroy the Reapers it has to come at the cost of betraying and killing his synthetic allies.

Not unless you never really liked them to begin with. You can interpret and view a situation in any number of ways.

Ah! The TRUTH comes out!  YOU don't like the synths in ME so YOU are right and any other idea is wrong and the ending SHOULD obey YOUR opinion rather than others.  

No paragon would commit genocide.  The Red ending IS genocide.  Bioware has set the Red ending as the "best" ending (by making it the hardest to achieve).  Clearly they support genocide even though it flies in the face of the story in ME2 and ME3.  ME3's ending itself contradicts ME3 since it was in ME3 not but a few hours prior that the Geth and Quarians can be reconciled.  You SPENT THE ENTIRE DAMN GAME TRYING TO GET EDI INTO JOKER'S PANTS.  Then you kill them all.  NOT paragon, NOT the best ending.  Genocide can never ever be the good/right ending or answer.

Bolded: You imply too much. In my second run through, I really didn't care about whether or not they get together.

Every post that I see from you is about genocide. Obsessed much? 

Makes me wonder what you thought of the Prothean and that race.

Really?  EVERY post?  You mean, like 2 or 3?  Out of dozens?  That certainly is "every". 

It doesn't matter what you did in your second run through because they Red edit the ending so that no matter what you thought of them, you have to murder them to do the "good" ending (highest EMS required).  Play it all nice and peaceful with the Geth and EDI and you end with the genocide option.  Play it renegade and a-holey and you get the same option.  Yeah, THAT balances.  THAT fits with the story.  

What I thought of the Prothean and that race was...it was cool how all up until they introduced Javik the Protheans were thought to be these enlightened great beings of wisdom only for it to turn out that they were nothing but imperialistic and militaristic a-holes.  That was cool  What wasn't cool was the Jamaican accent.

Modifié par Getorex, 06 avril 2012 - 02:24 .

[Ryokun1989]

Han Shot First wrote...

cyniel wrote...

Han Shot First wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Kargsure wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

TheNevincer wrote...

Dear Bioware,
Give Shepard the choice to defy the Catalyst in the extended cut.

- Sincererly, a Fan.

Pick 'destroy' you effing dolt.

How exactly is that defying the Catalyst - it's one of the options present to you by the StarBrat.  In fact if you don't have a high enough EMS then this is the *only* option you are presented with.  Just because you choose the least worst choice - doesn't automatically make it a good one.

Because you're destroying him and all his reaper friends and saying "I don't believe organics will let their AIs run wild and cause a technological singularity, so you were wrong and you can die now"?

Man, did you guys even pay attention when you played that ending?

Except even with the Red Ending Shepard is forced into accepting the Star Child's logic that organics and synthetics cannot peacefully coexist. If Shepard wants to destroy the Reapers it has to come at the cost of betraying and killing his synthetic allies.

Not unless you never really liked them to begin with. You can interpret and view a situation in any number of ways.

The writers spend a good chunck of Mass Effect 3 exploring the theme that in the end, synthetics are not all that different from organic life, and that peaceful coexistance is possible. From the Rannoch missions to the development of EDI into a person rather than a thing, that was willing to die her ship mates if necessary, the writers had explored that theme. To simply reverse course in the last five minutes of the game and throw all of that out, is an example of bad writing. It is a thematic inconsistency.

What, you thought it was going to be easy? If you want to save them so badly, you can pick control for instance

Bad writing is bad writing.

The writers explored one theme for 5 years and most of three games, only to present another theme in the last five minutes of the series. It is as if a different person was responsible for writing the last five minutes of the game than the person who wrote the rest of the series, and as if they never communicated. The theme presented in the last five minutes is a contradiction of everything that came before it.

And the control ending is a fail ending. The only one where Shepard suceeds in destroying the Reapers (his mission), is the Red Ending.

There isn't a 'magic fix button', there's a tough choice. And the theme is NOT 'synthetics are just like us, after all'; that negates a renegade shepard's story.
The theme of Mass Effect is the relation between organic and technology, particularly there where the line gets blurry.
The final question asks YOU to take a difficult position in the thematical discussion. The question, not the answer, is what Mass Effect is about.

[Ryokun1989]

Also, you don't seem to realize that people are arguing for ALL endings why they are the only right one.
To me that indicates they did something right when they created that choice.

[Ryokun1989]

Did you realize the 'vision' you get when you touch the prothean beacon in Mass Effect 1 is actually footage of meat (organic) and electronic equipment (synthetic) mangled together? That's.. not a coincidence.

[Getorex]

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Also, you don't seem to realize that people are arguing for ALL endings why they are the only right one.
To me that indicates they did something right when they created that choice.

No.  They created endings that either violate everything you were fighting against in all 3 games (blue and green) or violate anything but the renegade run (red).  There is no option that is properly the paragon run.  Renegade has NO qualms screwing over the Geth and EDI.  Paragon does.  Renegade gets a proper choice, paragon doesn't.

[cyniel]

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Did you realize the 'vision' you get when you touch the prothean beacon in Mass Effect 1 is actually footage of meat (organic) and electronic equipment (synthetic) mangled together? That's.. not a coincidence.

I hated that whenever it appeared in the games. The screaming and the images...it was like a vision of the end, what would happen if the reapers win or even when the reapers come.

Now that I think about, it's probably one of the reasons why I choose destroy.

[Damisis]

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