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[Sidney]

Kargsure wrote...
How exactly is that defying the Catalyst - it's one of the options present to you by the StarBrat.  In fact if you don't have a high enough EMS then this is the *only* option you are presented with.  Just because you choose the least worst choice - doesn't automatically make it a good one.

The whole series is about lest worst options in so many ways. I love that people play a game with a lot of least worst options for three games and then expect a bright shiny happy button at the end. I don't like the endings for the logic of the whole Reaper activity but the fact that the ending carry a price and none are perfect is EXACTLY what this series should end on.

[tkdnova]

 so bioware just gave us all a big **** you to our faces and said they dont care about there crapy ending to there amazing game and series       good bye me3 and bioware it was nice knowing you 

[Getorex]

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Did you realize the 'vision' you get when you touch the prothean beacon in Mass Effect 1 is actually footage of meat (organic) and electronic equipment (synthetic) mangled together? That's.. not a coincidence.

You are mixing up Deus Ex and ME.  Deus Ex is about the relationship of technology, transhumanism, etc, and what it is to be human.  That is not the theme of ME. 

Wait, so you're saying what I'm saying is not true? Because, you know, I can show you..

No, I saw the same "vision" stuff you did but you interpret it differently than I do.  It was NOT clear, it was NOT objectively clear.  It was ambiguous for interpretation.  I see it as simply indoctrination and/or "husking" of the Protheans.  Husks ARE mostly synthetic husks made from organic feedstock.  I don't see in that what you do.

Yeah, well it's specifically mentioned as being what Mass Effect is about in the Final Hours app, so I guess your interpretation is just off.

An "app"?!  I don't do "apps".  Put the phone down.

[Getorex]

Sidney wrote...

Kargsure wrote...
How exactly is that defying the Catalyst - it's one of the options present to you by the StarBrat.  In fact if you don't have a high enough EMS then this is the *only* option you are presented with.  Just because you choose the least worst choice - doesn't automatically make it a good one.

The whole series is about lest worst options in so many ways. I love that people play a game with a lot of least worst options for three games and then expect a bright shiny happy button at the end. I don't like the endings for the logic of the whole Reaper activity but the fact that the ending carry a price and none are perfect is EXACTLY what this series should end on.

So you hated the ending to ME1 and ME2 eh?  Shepard didn't sacrifice himself/herself there.  Didn't even need to sacrifice anyone with him!  Wow.  That just sucks.

[meisjoe]

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Modifié par meisjoe, 06 avril 2012 - 04:49 .

[Ryokun1989]

poerksen wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Also, you don't seem to realize that people are arguing for ALL endings why they are the only right one.
To me that indicates they did something right when they created that choice.

No.  They created endings that either violate everything you were fighting against in all 3 games (blue and green) or violate anything but the renegade run (red).  There is no option that is properly the paragon run.  Renegade has NO qualms screwing over the Geth and EDI.  Paragon does.  Renegade gets a proper choice, paragon doesn't.

Control is perfectly Paragon. What is your definition of Paragon? Is it the same as 'good', because if it is you don't understand what paragon means.

No, you show your true colors as far as preferences in game.  Control is the TIM option and TIM is NOT paragon.

Paragon is order.
TIM wanted an order with humans at the top. Control has Shepard at the top, how he fills in that role is of course up to the player. A paragon shepard in control might move all the reapers out of sight and eventually come to the same conclusion the god did. Might even still be paragon.


I actually picked synthesis because I thought that gave the species of the universe the best chance for creating a harmonious society for all.

Why would synthetis prevent future conflicts? A race of synthetic-organics probably have plenty of reasons to build synthetics of their own, which in turn would turn on their creators....... According to the spacebrats "assumptions".

How would synthetis even work? Are nanomachines magically dispersed to all organics in the universe? Would it prevent new organics species from appearing, thus starting the cycle again?

Didn't the Protheans fight a synthetic-organic hybrid race of some sort? In the Metacon wars?

I didn't say it would prevent future conflict. But there won't be a technological singularity wiping out all organics, on account of there no longer being any organics.

Synthesis means the difference between organic and synthetic ceases to exist. So no, they wouldn't be able to create more synthetics, they'd just be able to create more organic-synthetics. And in any case they'd have all the advantages of both synthetics and organics, so why would they want to create others? And even if they could create new 'synthetics' (though the distinction actually no longer exists), those synthetics would be LESS POWERFUL than the race that created them. Your postulation makes no sense.

[poerksen]

Ryokun1989 wrote...

poerksen wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Also, you don't seem to realize that people are arguing for ALL endings why they are the only right one.
To me that indicates they did something right when they created that choice.

No.  They created endings that either violate everything you were fighting against in all 3 games (blue and green) or violate anything but the renegade run (red).  There is no option that is properly the paragon run.  Renegade has NO qualms screwing over the Geth and EDI.  Paragon does.  Renegade gets a proper choice, paragon doesn't.

Control is perfectly Paragon. What is your definition of Paragon? Is it the same as 'good', because if it is you don't understand what paragon means.

Control is paragon? You die, how can you control anything while you are dead? More spacemagic? Who's in control after you are dead?

The starbrat smiles after you chose control, making it look like he tricked you or something?

Who the hell says you die? You go into the machine. You take the god's place.

As far as I remember, Spacebrat tells you that you have to give up your life in order to control the machines, in other words you die. He does not say that you become a god.......

[Ryokun1989]

Getorex wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Also, you don't seem to realize that people are arguing for ALL endings why they are the only right one.
To me that indicates they did something right when they created that choice.

No.  They created endings that either violate everything you were fighting against in all 3 games (blue and green) or violate anything but the renegade run (red).  There is no option that is properly the paragon run.  Renegade has NO qualms screwing over the Geth and EDI.  Paragon does.  Renegade gets a proper choice, paragon doesn't.

Control is perfectly Paragon. What is your definition of Paragon? Is it the same as 'good', because if it is you don't understand what paragon means.

No, you show your true colors as far as preferences in game.  Control is the TIM option and TIM is NOT paragon.

Paragon is order.
TIM wanted an order with humans at the top. Control has Shepard at the top, how he fills in that role is of course up to the player. A paragon shepard in control might move all the reapers out of sight and eventually come to the same conclusion the god did. Might even still be paragon.


I actually picked synthesis because I thought that gave the species of the universe the best chance for creating a harmonious society for all.

I chose Green because it was what saved the most people...but it sucks because it alters everyone to be what the starturd THINKS is the "pinnacle of evolution".  My @ss.  I didn't like green because it arbitrarily kills Shepard when all he needed to do was spit into the beam.  Plenty of Shepard/organic DNA right there.  Space magic can take care of the rest.

Green actually takes the essence of your Shepard and disseminates his pure spirit over the universe... 
It's rather sad that you fail to see the poetry in that and think in terms of spitting and 'arbitrarily kills Shepard'.

[Getorex]

poerksen wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

poerksen wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Also, you don't seem to realize that people are arguing for ALL endings why they are the only right one.
To me that indicates they did something right when they created that choice.

No.  They created endings that either violate everything you were fighting against in all 3 games (blue and green) or violate anything but the renegade run (red).  There is no option that is properly the paragon run.  Renegade has NO qualms screwing over the Geth and EDI.  Paragon does.  Renegade gets a proper choice, paragon doesn't.

Control is perfectly Paragon. What is your definition of Paragon? Is it the same as 'good', because if it is you don't understand what paragon means.

Control is paragon? You die, how can you control anything while you are dead? More spacemagic? Who's in control after you are dead?

The starbrat smiles after you chose control, making it look like he tricked you or something?

Who the hell says you die? You go into the machine. You take the god's place.

As far as I remember, Spacebrat tells you that you have to give up your life in order to control the machines, in other words you die. He does not say that you become a god.......

You live or you die.  Can't do both.  That would add yet more space magic (and GHOSTS!)

[Sidney]

CerberusCheerleader wrote...
This is getting old ...<_<
Yes, it is their story and no, as a writer you can't just write anything. You have an obligation to write something that makes sense, that is plausible and logical, that follows established rules and respects the lore, something that is consistent with what came before.
All of this is violated by the ending. It disrespects the invested player and is an insult to anyone who is interested and pays attention.
http://imageshack.us.../plotholes.jpg/

So much basically wrong in the article:

"In contrast to the exquisite, if occasionally opaque, ways the player's
decisions dictated the outcome of Shepard's suicide mission in Mass Effect 2, Mass Effect 3's finale is essentially a railroad." No, the problem in ME3 is that you get almost exactly the same effect except instead of your lack of preparation killing Jack it kills the earth. Just like in ME2 there is a math formula that tallies up live and die options. The amazing thing is the author doesn't see that when, unlike ME2, Bioware puts the $%^&# number right on the screen for you to see.

"is a minor problem compared to what the game itself states will be the result of the exploding relays." When will people stop with this. It is like they cannot see what is in front of their eys. A "ruptured relay" is bad. A relay that fires off all its enegery and then collapses isn't.

[Ryokun1989]

poerksen wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

poerksen wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Also, you don't seem to realize that people are arguing for ALL endings why they are the only right one.
To me that indicates they did something right when they created that choice.

No.  They created endings that either violate everything you were fighting against in all 3 games (blue and green) or violate anything but the renegade run (red).  There is no option that is properly the paragon run.  Renegade has NO qualms screwing over the Geth and EDI.  Paragon does.  Renegade gets a proper choice, paragon doesn't.

Control is perfectly Paragon. What is your definition of Paragon? Is it the same as 'good', because if it is you don't understand what paragon means.

Control is paragon? You die, how can you control anything while you are dead? More spacemagic? Who's in control after you are dead?

The starbrat smiles after you chose control, making it look like he tricked you or something?

Who the hell says you die? You go into the machine. You take the god's place.

As far as I remember, Spacebrat tells you that you have to give up your life in order to control the machines, in other words you die. He does not say that you become a god.......

Who's controlling the machines at this point? That's right, your 'spacebrat'. So what can you assume Shepard will be like if he starts controlling the machines instead? Damnit, this is not difficult material, people!

[Getorex]

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Also, you don't seem to realize that people are arguing for ALL endings why they are the only right one.
To me that indicates they did something right when they created that choice.

No.  They created endings that either violate everything you were fighting against in all 3 games (blue and green) or violate anything but the renegade run (red).  There is no option that is properly the paragon run.  Renegade has NO qualms screwing over the Geth and EDI.  Paragon does.  Renegade gets a proper choice, paragon doesn't.

Control is perfectly Paragon. What is your definition of Paragon? Is it the same as 'good', because if it is you don't understand what paragon means.

No, you show your true colors as far as preferences in game.  Control is the TIM option and TIM is NOT paragon.

Paragon is order.
TIM wanted an order with humans at the top. Control has Shepard at the top, how he fills in that role is of course up to the player. A paragon shepard in control might move all the reapers out of sight and eventually come to the same conclusion the god did. Might even still be paragon.


I actually picked synthesis because I thought that gave the species of the universe the best chance for creating a harmonious society for all.

I chose Green because it was what saved the most people...but it sucks because it alters everyone to be what the starturd THINKS is the "pinnacle of evolution".  My @ss.  I didn't like green because it arbitrarily kills Shepard when all he needed to do was spit into the beam.  Plenty of Shepard/organic DNA right there.  Space magic can take care of the rest.

Green actually takes the essence of your Shepard and disseminates his pure spirit over the universe... 
It's rather sad that you fail to see the poetry in that and think in terms of spitting and 'arbitrarily kills Shepard'.

His "pure spirit".  What the F*CK is "pure spirit"?!  More nonsense.  Mumbo jumbo piled upon illogic and irrationality.  If "spirit essence" is involved then we're getting into true and full retard space.  

Maybe the starbrat can wave a crystal over Shepard's head before he donates his spirit essence. 

His entire "essence" is his/her DNA.  It tells ALL you need to know about him/her.  It is the entire instruction booklet on how to make yourself a Shepard.  That is all that is needed to make "new DNA" (whatever the f*ck THAT meant...since synthetics DON'T HAVE DNA to begin with).

Modifié par Getorex, 06 avril 2012 - 02:50 .

[Sidney]

Getorex wrote...

So you hated the ending to ME1 and ME2 eh?  Shepard didn't sacrifice himself/herself there.  Didn't even need to sacrifice anyone with him!  Wow.  That just sucks.

Me1 at the end sov has to die but you also have to make the least worst option of killing or saving the council.

In ME2 Shep could die - sorta sucks since now the glaaxy is dead but you could die. You could, in the course of that ending get the vast majoiryt of your allies killed as well. At the very end, you know the final moment, you have to pick to blow up the base or hand it over. Is it clear which one is right or is it a matter of least bad options? Yeah.

A lot of not happy shiny options going on there.

[Ryokun1989]

Getorex wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Also, you don't seem to realize that people are arguing for ALL endings why they are the only right one.
To me that indicates they did something right when they created that choice.

No.  They created endings that either violate everything you were fighting against in all 3 games (blue and green) or violate anything but the renegade run (red).  There is no option that is properly the paragon run.  Renegade has NO qualms screwing over the Geth and EDI.  Paragon does.  Renegade gets a proper choice, paragon doesn't.

Control is perfectly Paragon. What is your definition of Paragon? Is it the same as 'good', because if it is you don't understand what paragon means.

No, you show your true colors as far as preferences in game.  Control is the TIM option and TIM is NOT paragon.

Paragon is order.
TIM wanted an order with humans at the top. Control has Shepard at the top, how he fills in that role is of course up to the player. A paragon shepard in control might move all the reapers out of sight and eventually come to the same conclusion the god did. Might even still be paragon.


I actually picked synthesis because I thought that gave the species of the universe the best chance for creating a harmonious society for all.

I chose Green because it was what saved the most people...but it sucks because it alters everyone to be what the starturd THINKS is the "pinnacle of evolution".  My @ss.  I didn't like green because it arbitrarily kills Shepard when all he needed to do was spit into the beam.  Plenty of Shepard/organic DNA right there.  Space magic can take care of the rest.

Green actually takes the essence of your Shepard and disseminates his pure spirit over the universe... 
It's rather sad that you fail to see the poetry in that and think in terms of spitting and 'arbitrarily kills Shepard'.

His "pure spirit".  What the F*CK is "pure spirit"?!  More nonsense.  Mumbo jumbo piled upon illogic and irrationality.  If "spirit essence" is involved then we're getting into true and full retard space.  

Maybe the starbrat can wave a crystal over Shepard's head before he donates his spirit essence. 

His entire "essence" is his/her DNA.  It tells ALL you need to know about him/her.  It is the entire instruction booklet on how to make yourself a Shepard.  That is all that is needed to make "new DNA" (whatever the f*ck THAT meant...since synthetics DON'T HAVE DNA to begin with).

Isn't it lovely that you were able to play Mass Effect while completely ignoring huge aspects of the series right up until the very end?

[Getorex]

Ryokun1989 wrote...

poerksen wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

poerksen wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Also, you don't seem to realize that people are arguing for ALL endings why they are the only right one.
To me that indicates they did something right when they created that choice.

No.  They created endings that either violate everything you were fighting against in all 3 games (blue and green) or violate anything but the renegade run (red).  There is no option that is properly the paragon run.  Renegade has NO qualms screwing over the Geth and EDI.  Paragon does.  Renegade gets a proper choice, paragon doesn't.

Control is perfectly Paragon. What is your definition of Paragon? Is it the same as 'good', because if it is you don't understand what paragon means.

Control is paragon? You die, how can you control anything while you are dead? More spacemagic? Who's in control after you are dead?

The starbrat smiles after you chose control, making it look like he tricked you or something?

Who the hell says you die? You go into the machine. You take the god's place.

As far as I remember, Spacebrat tells you that you have to give up your life in order to control the machines, in other words you die. He does not say that you become a god.......

Who's controlling the machines at this point? That's right, your 'spacebrat'. So what can you assume Shepard will be like if he starts controlling the machines instead? Damnit, this is not difficult material, people!

See, now we are back to THE core of the problem!  The spacebrat!  The MacGuffin of MacGuffins.  The capo de la capos.  

You live or you die.  There is no third option.

[Spectre_Shepard]

ugh...

this might be the best move bioware ever makes. or the worst. for now, i wait.

[Ryokun1989]

Getorex wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

poerksen wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

poerksen wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Also, you don't seem to realize that people are arguing for ALL endings why they are the only right one.
To me that indicates they did something right when they created that choice.

No.  They created endings that either violate everything you were fighting against in all 3 games (blue and green) or violate anything but the renegade run (red).  There is no option that is properly the paragon run.  Renegade has NO qualms screwing over the Geth and EDI.  Paragon does.  Renegade gets a proper choice, paragon doesn't.

Control is perfectly Paragon. What is your definition of Paragon? Is it the same as 'good', because if it is you don't understand what paragon means.

Control is paragon? You die, how can you control anything while you are dead? More spacemagic? Who's in control after you are dead?

The starbrat smiles after you chose control, making it look like he tricked you or something?

Who the hell says you die? You go into the machine. You take the god's place.

As far as I remember, Spacebrat tells you that you have to give up your life in order to control the machines, in other words you die. He does not say that you become a god.......

Who's controlling the machines at this point? That's right, your 'spacebrat'. So what can you assume Shepard will be like if he starts controlling the machines instead? Damnit, this is not difficult material, people!

See, now we are back to THE core of the problem!  The spacebrat!  The MacGuffin of MacGuffins.  The capo de la capos.  

You live or you die.  There is no third option.

Only a Sith thinks in black and white.

I should go.

[Getorex]

Sidney wrote...

Getorex wrote...

So you hated the ending to ME1 and ME2 eh?  Shepard didn't sacrifice himself/herself there.  Didn't even need to sacrifice anyone with him!  Wow.  That just sucks.

Me1 at the end sov has to die but you also have to make the least worst option of killing or saving the council.

In ME2 Shep could die - sorta sucks since now the glaaxy is dead but you could die. You could, in the course of that ending get the vast majoiryt of your allies killed as well. At the very end, you know the final moment, you have to pick to blow up the base or hand it over. Is it clear which one is right or is it a matter of least bad options? Yeah.

A lot of not happy shiny options going on there.

Yes, you COULD die.  But also you could not.  And no one else needed to either.  See how that works?  The ENTIRE series is a mix of endings, some good, some bad.  NEVER all bad...until "artistic vision" came spewing forth in the last 10 minutes of ME3.

[RyuujinZERO]

poerksen wrote...

As far as I remember, Spacebrat tells you that you have to give up your life in order to control the machines, in other words you die. He does not say that you become a god.......

Nobodies becoming a god... the implication I got was that you were essentially taking the catalysts place, if not outright replacing the catalyst than at least existing alongside, as people rightly point out if Shepard were "gone", the control ending could not happen.

It's worth noting the star-child itself is a HUGE nod to 2001, and is very similar to the control ending (Where the protagonist enters the obelisk and becomes - completely literally, in nature, name and appearance "the star child", a sort've quasi-technological "god", replacing the alien "star child" of a previous period, not a literal god as we know it but a technological one.

To me, the control ending taken literally depending on the level of control Shepard has of the reapers, has immense good-ending potential in the long run. Co-opting the reapers and their technology to help rebuild the colonies, using their ability to network thoughts to spur transhumanism on our own terms. Co-opting the very tech they used to make the reapers could even be used to escape true death, voluntarily liquifying the old and dying to create new forms of "reaper" so that they can live on as a collective intelligence and guardian of the very people they once lived amongst. Man and reaper living alongside like the quarians and geth, master and guardians.

Simply sending them all off into dark space for eternity seems like a terrible misappropriation of resources

Modifié par RyuujinZERO, 06 avril 2012 - 02:55 .

[Ryokun1989]

What RyuujinZERO said.

That's a paragon ending right there.

[Sidney]

Getorex wrote...

Sidney wrote...

Getorex wrote...

So you hated the ending to ME1 and ME2 eh?  Shepard didn't sacrifice himself/herself there.  Didn't even need to sacrifice anyone with him!  Wow.  That just sucks.

Me1 at the end sov has to die but you also have to make the least worst option of killing or saving the council.

In ME2 Shep could die - sorta sucks since now the glaaxy is dead but you could die. You could, in the course of that ending get the vast majoiryt of your allies killed as well. At the very end, you know the final moment, you have to pick to blow up the base or hand it over. Is it clear which one is right or is it a matter of least bad options? Yeah.

A lot of not happy shiny options going on there.

Yes, you COULD die.  But also you could not.  And no one else needed to either.  See how that works?  The ENTIRE series is a mix of endings, some good, some bad.  NEVER all bad...until "artistic vision" came spewing forth in the last 10 minutes of ME3.

At the end of ME3 I didn't die. Last I saw my squaddies all (somehow that makes no sense granted) survived AND the earth survived. Not sure how bad that ending is that seems like a pretty clean sweep for "Hurrah, unicorns and rainbows".

[Getorex]

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

poerksen wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

poerksen wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Also, you don't seem to realize that people are arguing for ALL endings why they are the only right one.
To me that indicates they did something right when they created that choice.

No.  They created endings that either violate everything you were fighting against in all 3 games (blue and green) or violate anything but the renegade run (red).  There is no option that is properly the paragon run.  Renegade has NO qualms screwing over the Geth and EDI.  Paragon does.  Renegade gets a proper choice, paragon doesn't.

Control is perfectly Paragon. What is your definition of Paragon? Is it the same as 'good', because if it is you don't understand what paragon means.

Control is paragon? You die, how can you control anything while you are dead? More spacemagic? Who's in control after you are dead?

The starbrat smiles after you chose control, making it look like he tricked you or something?

Who the hell says you die? You go into the machine. You take the god's place.

As far as I remember, Spacebrat tells you that you have to give up your life in order to control the machines, in other words you die. He does not say that you become a god.......

Who's controlling the machines at this point? That's right, your 'spacebrat'. So what can you assume Shepard will be like if he starts controlling the machines instead? Damnit, this is not difficult material, people!

See, now we are back to THE core of the problem!  The spacebrat!  The MacGuffin of MacGuffins.  The capo de la capos.  

You live or you die.  There is no third option.

Only a Sith thinks in black and white.

I should go.

Heh.  You DO know there is no "force" and no "Sith' right?  Don't carry that stuff around with you.  It will confuse you in the real world.  

I ignored the ridiculousness of the asari breeding method for the game.  I ignored the ridiculousness of the Ardat Yahtzee (or whatever) silliness for the game.  There comes a point when all the silly piles up too high to ignore anymore.  Starbrats and pure spirit essence and magical green beams is that point.

[Spanky Magoo]

lol well thanks for the closure BW I really dont think you could have made it any clearer. I hated the ending so I will move on. Thanks for 2 and 4/5 of great games.

[poerksen]

Ryokun1989 wrote...

poerksen wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Also, you don't seem to realize that people are arguing for ALL endings why they are the only right one.
To me that indicates they did something right when they created that choice.

No.  They created endings that either violate everything you were fighting against in all 3 games (blue and green) or violate anything but the renegade run (red).  There is no option that is properly the paragon run.  Renegade has NO qualms screwing over the Geth and EDI.  Paragon does.  Renegade gets a proper choice, paragon doesn't.

Control is perfectly Paragon. What is your definition of Paragon? Is it the same as 'good', because if it is you don't understand what paragon means.

No, you show your true colors as far as preferences in game.  Control is the TIM option and TIM is NOT paragon.

Paragon is order.
TIM wanted an order with humans at the top. Control has Shepard at the top, how he fills in that role is of course up to the player. A paragon shepard in control might move all the reapers out of sight and eventually come to the same conclusion the god did. Might even still be paragon.


I actually picked synthesis because I thought that gave the species of the universe the best chance for creating a harmonious society for all.

Why would synthetis prevent future conflicts? A race of synthetic-organics probably have plenty of reasons to build synthetics of their own, which in turn would turn on their creators....... According to the spacebrats "assumptions".

How would synthetis even work? Are nanomachines magically dispersed to all organics in the universe? Would it prevent new organics species from appearing, thus starting the cycle again?

Didn't the Protheans fight a synthetic-organic hybrid race of some sort? In the Metacon wars?

I didn't say it would prevent future conflict. But there won't be a technological singularity wiping out all organics, on account of there no longer being any organics.

Synthesis means the difference between organic and synthetic ceases to exist. So no, they wouldn't be able to create more synthetics, they'd just be able to create more organic-synthetics. And in any case they'd have all the advantages of both synthetics and organics, so why would they want to create others? And even if they could create new 'synthetics' (though the distinction actually no longer exists), those synthetics would be LESS POWERFUL than the race that created them. Your postulation makes no sense.

Ofcourse they would be able to build robots/synthetics. It just requires some materials and some knowhow. Heck the Quarians are experts at it.
Synthetics can be used in e.g. warfare. I assume a synthetic-organic race still value survival etc, so I would make sense if they made synthetics to fight for them.
Does choosing synthesis also mean that Jokers disease dissappears? Or is he now super joker?

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So you hated the ending to ME1 and ME2 eh?  Shepard didn't sacrifice himself/herself there.  Didn't even need to sacrifice anyone with him!  Wow.  That just sucks.

Me1 at the end sov has to die but you also have to make the least worst option of killing or saving the council.

In ME2 Shep could die - sorta sucks since now the glaaxy is dead but you could die. You could, in the course of that ending get the vast majoiryt of your allies killed as well. At the very end, you know the final moment, you have to pick to blow up the base or hand it over. Is it clear which one is right or is it a matter of least bad options? Yeah.

A lot of not happy shiny options going on there.

Yes, you COULD die.  But also you could not.  And no one else needed to either.  See how that works?  The ENTIRE series is a mix of endings, some good, some bad.  NEVER all bad...until "artistic vision" came spewing forth in the last 10 minutes of ME3.

At the end of ME3 I didn't die. Last I saw my squaddies all (somehow that makes no sense granted) survived AND the earth survived. Not sure how bad that ending is that seems like a pretty clean sweep for "Hurrah, unicorns and rainbows".

Except the implication, yet to be cleared up (perhaps by the "clarifying" DLC), that you have to wipe out the entire Geth race and murder EDI to get that ending.