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[The Mythical Magician]

As much as I was a long devoted fan of Bioware (ever since Kotor) I think I'm done, I don't think I'll ever buy another game of their's ever again. They have changed alot since they been bought by EA and I'm quite frankly tire of how this current situation been going ever since it turned up.

They're defending the ending of Mass Effect 3 still by saying it is artistic (acting like it's original) and thou shall not change yet 1) it's not an original ending, it's basically a Deus Ex Machina and it's a very bad one at that. 2) Filled with so many plot holes that it reminds me of the gaps that you jump across in the video game Pitfall. (Since indoc theory appears to be false now) Makes no sense why would Shepard just listen to some Catalyst and be convince by it that easily even in the state he was in, why gather EMS if it really doesn't really affect the ending, why would Joker leave without Shepard yet Joker himself made it quite clear he didn't want to abandon him?

Even with this DLC on the way I don't think it'll help matters, maybe bring slight closure but doubt it'll be the closure we wanted & should of gotten, very well doubt it'll fix the plot issues.

[Spectre Impersonator]

Derek Larke wrote...
Though we remain committed and are proud of the artistic choices we made in the main game, we are aware that there are some fans who would like more closure to Mass Effect 3.

Hahaha. As if everyone in the company thinks the ending is good. Clearly there were those who questioned its wisdom even before release. At least Patrick Weekes knew what to do, it's just too bad he wasn't in charge. Also... "some fans" ? Check out Amazon.com. Almost all 1-star reviews. I think the numbers in general speak for themselves.

[Cerbrus operative]

There is no way I would have played any Mass Effect game if I knew that the Mass Effect series is going to end this way.

[Killer3000ad]

I didn't want more closure, I wanted endings that weren't like the current one which comes in three colours and all end with galactic genocide of the galaxy. Bioware are you actually listening????????

[wrexnaught25]

Killer3000ad wrote...

I didn't want more closure, I wanted endings that weren't like the current one which comes in three colours and all end with galactic genocide of the galaxy. Bioware are you actually listening????????

I don't believe they are.

[da mighty rEAper]

elfadelbosco wrote...

I hear there's going to be summer DLC, I hope it's more than just patch the ending up becauseTHE WHOLE GAME needs rewriting.
I finished my first and only playthrough one week ago, and I was shocked by the ending. But after reading a few things on the web now I think that the ending is only ONE among many wrong things with ME3

I enjoyed my full-paragon playthrough believing it was MY playthrough, that Cerberus was my enemy because I had destroyed the Collector's Base (renegade choice) and that those who had kept it had TIM as an ally, compensating the fact that, being renegade, maybe they don't cure genophage, and so on...
I thought that if you killed the Rachni Queen you didn't meet her in ME3 ... I read that there's a SYNTHETIC one (WTF???) built by Reapers (or at least that's what I read on the net... hope it isn't true) ... no, it is!

In fact THE WHOLE GAME doesn't change one iota disregarding whatever you choose to do!
You killed Wrex? No prob, his brother will replace him and he'll do and say the same things.
No Mordin? You have another salarian scientist replacing him, oh, and he'll manage to find the cure for the genophage too... no Legion? The Geths are so many, no prob, replaced! ...

BW you think we are stupid right?

Zero replayability and not just for the ending.

yeah, add a multiplayer bull**** to this together with dayonedlc, catering to codkids, spitting in face of loyal rpg fans with more shoot and run gameplay, almost nothing left from rpg elements, photoshopped faces(not some 2nd role character, but one of the most anticipated..) and rgb endings like in that picture above. They are desperate in ****ting all over community

[Zalera1]

Mass Effect 3 Extended Cut:

Produced by: Casey Hudson EA

Written by: The annoying Starkid.

Created by: The annoying Starkid.

[Amioran]

SirPetrakus wrote...
I'm actually reading up some Dean Koontz right now. As much as I love James Joyce's Ulysses and Kafka's Trial, some good old movie type schlock always helps to relax.

Good to know your search in internet has provided good results. But Joyce, Kafka and Koonts are well known names, what about some more niche ones that every writer (as you insist you are) should know?

I'm actually having a book published soon. Thanks for asking. It's in Greece however, so ... eh? I'm no Kazantzakis. How about you?

I have already wrote three books, thanks.

Don't get what you mean by "momentum". The franchise is basically dead.

It's not dead just because you say so. Until there's not an end there's no death.

[Amioran]

BrotherWarth wrote...
I think we're talking about two different things. You think I'm saying that since Shepard is dead(for most players) that the entire franchise is done.

Again, this doesn't make sense. I repeat: a protagonist is not a franchise, it is only part of the same. Nothing more, nothing less. 

BrotherWarth wrote...
What I'm saying is that Mass Effect 3 is the end of the franchise as we know it. Shepard was our protagonist and the entire purpose of the story was stopping the Reapers and protecting the galaxy.

The purpose remains either if Shepard is no more. I think you are mixing the two things two much. On the contrary if they gave you the "ending" you wanted then to continue the franchise they would have started from anew. I can respect that people wanted the ending in the true sense but I see nothing wrong in continuing the franchise without Shepard.

BrotherWarth wrote...
The end of Mass Effect 3 is the end of the trilogy, and the end of the trilogy is the end of the entire story we're been presented with.

Apart that the "story you have been presented with" is just a part of the universe called "Mass Effect" but then this story is indipendent in itself from Shepard.

BrotherWarth wrote...
Whether or not the series will continue with a new protagonist and a new story is irrelevent to discussions about the end of Mass Effect 3.

????

So do you expect some writers everytime they want to change protagonist (to try something new) they should let the background collapse at the same time? It can be done but it's not necessary. A person (as Shepard) is just a point of view and in a story point of views are many and they come and go, especially in a war.
 

BrotherWarth wrote...
It's the end of the trilogy and a satisfactory and sensical ending is to be expected.

Your "sensical ending" would have meant that they had to restart from beginning if they had plans to continue the franchise. Do you think it makes sense for a writer? It does not. It is much more complicated and destroys momentum.

BrotherWarth wrote...
Mass Effect wasn't presented as a quintilogy, it was and is a trilogy.

Things can change and usually will. If people were able to predict the future many things will be different. And, apart this, the "trilogy" was never referred to the franchise as a whole, if it was referred to Shepard then they respected it.

[felipejiraya]

I have inside information on the DLC.

[Nightstalka01]

As a long time fan of Bioware, I will be more than happy to download this DLC and give it a fair chance to change my opinion of the ending. Fingers crossed that it can explain what amounts to the unexplainable... You guys at Bioware definitely have the drive and ability to pull off something amazing! However, I fear that simply extending an ending that makes no sense in context with the rest of a trilogy that has been undeniably deep and engrossing won't be enough to save it. You would be far better off simply rethinking the last 5 minutes or so of the existing game, and creating an ending that fits in with the rest of the series.

The rest of the game was brilliant!! It was so pitch perfect that I am not ashamed to admit I actually wept at points (and still do, 3 playthroughs later), simply because my emotional attachment to the characters has become so deep. Right up to the point where the "starchild" appears, this game was one of the best games ever released. After that, everything just falls in a heap...

In essence.... THIS was always the problem...

www.dealspwn.com/writer/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2012/03/endings.jpg

[XDRonin]

One Question...

How will Bioware screw this up much more???

(Please don't get me wrong) But it seems that Bioware doesn't quite get that is not about us (the fans) getting more closure (oh! Bioware will definitely screw this more) What we (the fans) are mad about is that the ending of ME3 threw the whole - Decisions & Choices have consequences, in Mass Effect 3 (in the whole Mass Effect universe in fact) out of the window. How can you people at Bioware don't get that!???

- SO! Basically Bioware now says that -- We (Bioware) won't change what's wrong, but instead we will give you more ending-cut scenes, so hopefully; that will make you ****s (the fans) happy and leave us alone --

( In other words )
-- We (Bioware) Want Our Lives Back --

[CARL_DF90]

Now all they have to do is fix the Tali face debacle.

[Kargsure]

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Kargsure wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

TheNevincer wrote...

Dear Bioware,
Give Shepard the choice to defy the Catalyst in the extended cut.

- Sincererly, a Fan.

Pick 'destroy' you effing dolt.

How exactly is that defying the Catalyst - it's one of the options present to you by the StarBrat.  In fact if you don't have a high enough EMS then this is the *only* option you are presented with.  Just because you choose the least worst choice - doesn't automatically make it a good one.

Because you're destroying him and all his reaper friends and saying "I don't believe organics will let their AIs run wild and cause a technological singularity, so you were wrong and you can die now"?

Man, did you guys even pay attention when you played that ending?

Actually yes - and while it isn't the Catalyst's first choice - it is one of the choices offered by the Catalyst ego you are still forced to make one of the choices offered by the Catalyst.  Defying the Catalyst would be saying screw your choices I'm not going to pick choices A, B, or C I'm going to take Choice D.  

As an aside, I actually choose the destroy option as it was the one I considered the "least bad" of the choices on offer.

ETA a missing *not*

Modifié par Kargsure, 06 avril 2012 - 09:24 .

[Kanner]

I'm not sure who this is for.

Certainly not me. I hate the ending.

Good luck and have fun in the future, Broware.

[Kargsure]

cyniel wrote...

Kargsure wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

TheNevincer wrote...

Dear Bioware,
Give Shepard the choice to defy the Catalyst in the extended cut.

- Sincererly, a Fan.

Pick 'destroy' you effing dolt.

How exactly is that defying the Catalyst - it's one of the options present to you by the StarBrat.  In fact if you don't have a high enough EMS then this is the *only* option you are presented with.  Just because you choose the least worst choice - doesn't automatically make it a good one.

Actually no. Even with a high EMS, you are presented with all 3 choices. Don't eliminate the choice that I had to make. 

If you re-read what I wrote you will see that I actually said that you don't get all 3 choices if you have a low EMS.

How is my saying that I think all 3 choices are bad choices and that I don't feel that by choosing any of them, is defying the StarBrat, eliminating anything?

[Warlegendz]

Hey guys I was reading this article on Kotaku about the same subject in this thread and in the comments below, there was a debt between 2 fans that was very interesting, you guys should check it out they both seem to have valid arguments as to why the endings make sense and to why it doesn't
http://kotaku.com/58...-a-extended-one

[Kargsure]

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Also, you don't seem to realize that people are arguing for ALL endings why they are the only right one.
To me that indicates they did something right when they created that choice.

I'm not arguing that (but will give you the point that many people are).  In my opinion there is NO good/right choice, only that there is one that is less bad than the others (it still sucks though).  My main objection is that my Shepard doesn't get the opportunity to object to having to choose one of the options given (it may be those are the only ones available and I'm actually fine with that - but my Shepard would still object rather than just choosing based on what seems blind faith that what the Starbrat is saying are the only options available).

[Kargsure]

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Getorex wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Also, you don't seem to realize that people are arguing for ALL endings why they are the only right one.
To me that indicates they did something right when they created that choice.

No.  They created endings that either violate everything you were fighting against in all 3 games (blue and green) or violate anything but the renegade run (red).  There is no option that is properly the paragon run.  Renegade has NO qualms screwing over the Geth and EDI.  Paragon does.  Renegade gets a proper choice, paragon doesn't.

Control is perfectly Paragon. What is your definition of Paragon? Is it the same as 'good', because if it is you don't understand what paragon means.

No, you show your true colors as far as preferences in game.  Control is the TIM option and TIM is NOT paragon.

Paragon is order.
TIM wanted an order with humans at the top. Control has Shepard at the top, how he fills in that role is of course up to the player. A paragon shepard in control might move all the reapers out of sight and eventually come to the same conclusion the god did. Might even still be paragon.

I actually picked synthesis because I thought that gave the species of the universe the best chance for creating a harmonious society for all.

Actually by it's very definition, Paragon is "a person or thing regarded as a perfect example of a particular quality" hence why Paragon is normally associated with being good.

[Kargsure]

Sidney wrote...

Kargsure wrote...
How exactly is that defying the Catalyst - it's one of the options present to you by the StarBrat.  In fact if you don't have a high enough EMS then this is the *only* option you are presented with.  Just because you choose the least worst choice - doesn't automatically make it a good one.

The whole series is about lest worst options in so many ways. I love that people play a game with a lot of least worst options for three games and then expect a bright shiny happy button at the end. I don't like the endings for the logic of the whole Reaper activity but the fact that the ending carry a price and none are perfect is EXACTLY what this series should end on.

I actually do agree with you in that respect - my objection was to the notion that picking the destory option was somehow defying the Catalyst when it was one of the options he presented - we wouldn't have even known about it otherwise.

[av196vad]

felipejiraya wrote...

I have inside information on the DLC.

^^ This

[Northernian]

So extended cut involves more fancy videos explaining why God child created synthetics to kill organics so that they won't create synthetics?

Put some commentary as well. I want to hear how the writers will justify the current endings.

[Kargsure]

RyuujinZERO wrote...

poerksen wrote...

As far as I remember, Spacebrat tells you that you have to give up your life in order to control the machines, in other words you die. He does not say that you become a god.......

Nobodies becoming a god... the implication I got was that you were essentially taking the catalysts place, if not outright replacing the catalyst than at least existing alongside, as people rightly point out if Shepard were "gone", the control ending could not happen.

It's worth noting the star-child itself is a HUGE nod to 2001, and is very similar to the control ending (Where the protagonist enters the obelisk and becomes - completely literally, in nature, name and appearance "the star child", a sort've quasi-technological "god", replacing the alien "star child" of a previous period, not a literal god as we know it but a technological one.

To me, the control ending taken literally depending on the level of control Shepard has of the reapers, has immense good-ending potential in the long run. Co-opting the reapers and their technology to help rebuild the colonies, using their ability to network thoughts to spur transhumanism on our own terms. Co-opting the very tech they used to make the reapers could even be used to escape true death, voluntarily liquifying the old and dying to create new forms of "reaper" so that they can live on as a collective intelligence and guardian of the very people they once lived amongst. Man and reaper living alongside like the quarians and geth, master and guardians.

Simply sending them all off into dark space for eternity seems like a terrible misappropriation of resources

Probably the biggest thing that put me off the control option, (aside from it being what the IM wanted), is that not 5-10 minutes earlier, Shepard is busy telling IM how "we're not ready" and "we shouldn't have that kind of power" and also "what if you're wrong" with regards to actually being able to control them, etc etc - yet when SpaceBrat offers this as an option - it's suddenly ok since it's Shepard not IM doing the controlling...again it relies too much on taking everything the SpaceBrat says at face value - the ending of the Destroy option it's possible for Shepard to live despite the brat saying (s)he would die - heck if you happened to have Edi in your final party I believe it's possible for her to emerge from the Normandy (I haven't confirmed that btw) - both of which proves that it's entirely possible that the brat is lying about at least some aspects of the Destroy option, who's to say he's not also lying about some or all of the other options.

[PaxtonFetel]

The truth is that we see today Death brand universe Mass Effect, of course it's hard to take.
But it's not the fans fault, this decision is fully accepted producers game. I hope fate will punish them for it.