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#1551
Nightstalka01

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As much as the "artistic vision" of the writers has served them well until now, this one video explains why that term simply doesn't cut it with the existing ending...

www.youtube.com/watch   *contains spoilers*

I believe this pretty much sums up EVERYTHING that is currently wrong with the ending, while acknowledging that ME3 is still an amazing game. It also explains why simply providing extended scenes will not change or fix the issues that almost ruin the whole series, while providing ideas for simple and effective solutions to solve EVERY complaint that currently plagues this otherwise amazing and wondrous game...

Modifié par Nightstalka01, 06 avril 2012 - 08:50 .


#1552
Son of a Witch

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Goodbye!

#1553
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I'm sure absolutely no one at Bioware is surprised about how positive the reaction to the announcement has been.

That being said, I hope the DLC includes a dance routine from everyone, Harbinger included.

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JamesVega

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we need Vega + Shepard scene. at least give us good ending

#1555
Nightstalka01

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jules_vern18 wrote...

fivefingaslap18 wrote...

It's free. That's a step in the right direction.


No.  If it's free, you get less.  I don't know where this obsession with "it must be free!" came from, but I would be MUCH more willing to pay 10 or even 15 bucks to see a well-produced, thorough, and cohesive piece of fan-service.

Because so many people insisted it had to be FREEE!!!11!!, Bioware might have been afraid to create a fully-funded paid version and so we'll be stuck with a wall of epilogue text or 5 minutes worth of cut scenes instead.

I hope it's worth the 10 bucks you saved, because developer funding doesn't grow on trees.


Agree with this 100%

#1556
Nightstalka01

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Ryokun1989 wrote...

They were AIs, they were created by the Quarians. The Quarians wanted to destroy them, and they fought back. That's an act of rebellion (going against their masters' wishes, i.e. that they are destroyed).

Stop being an idiot.


No.. That's an act of self-preservation, much the same way any organic would act... Stop being an idiot.

Also, if you actually pay attention during the Consensus mission, most of the Geth didn't want to fight... They merely wanted to understand why their creators were seeking to "murder" them, and were simply defending themselves form an aggressor. With your previous statement you just proved you did not understand at all what that entire sub-plot was trying to say.

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So I've heard the announcement of the "clarification", and I'm not impressed, to be honest. It's certainly better than nothing, and I hate to sound ungrateful, but I figure honesty is the best policy here.

I really don't see how it can resolve the monumental number of plot holes that the ending produced; in fact, from the sounds of things it's not even going to try. Somehow I figured Bioware wouldn't have the guts/brains to admit that the endings were terrible on all levels. Honestly the "artistic integrity" excuse is a huge cop-out that makes you sound utterly bloody arrogant, and it's an argument that really doesn't wash when you take the overwhelming amount of evidence against it into account.

I'm open to the possibility of being proven wrong - in fact, I wish Bioware would - but that would be nothing short of a miracle. As it is, I can't help but feel that Bioware are just putting a cherry on top of a pile of doo-doo. At present I can't see this pleasing anybody; I have the feeling it will backfire horribly.

Modifié par BD Manchild, 06 avril 2012 - 09:07 .


#1558
HanarSandwich

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Saying that the Extended cut will solve all the issues with the current ending is like saying that smearing a sh*t all across the floor will make it stink less.

#1559
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Disappointed they aren't remaking the endings but it's better than nothing. Gonna wait and see what the extended content is and if it actually fixes things before deciding for good.

Kudos for keeping it free though. :)

#1560
Aensland75

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It's like adding water to soup. It's more but still doesn' taste good.
I will see after the DLC, I will either keep buying Mass Effect games or just stop with Bioware games.
Depends if I agree with the extra explaination of my chosen

And still, there's only one canon ending. Even if you have 3 choices!!
Artistic integrity only allows for one!

#1561
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Meh, they just wanted people to shut up for PAX to be able to say "oh look we listen to our fans"

Fact is, BW is showing the typical "grandeur" symptoms of someone that has had their lucky day and created something great but couldn't repeat that and now everyone calling it out is "vocal minority" or "doesn't understand it" or is an "entitled whiner" blablabla...

#1562
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I'm not going to buy better explanation i want DLC ending with different option. Conceder this ending as a bad dream Shepard is getting during transportation beam and make better ending so Shepard can make Synthesis without killing himself and destroying mass relay network

#1563
Peregrin25

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Some part of me hopes this all fails and back fires in BioWare and EA's face. More than it already has. I have a feeling things are only going to get worse! Who knows, maybe it will be a good thing who knows.

I hope I am wrong! :\\

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im probably in the minority here, but i would rather pay for coherent endings than receive free cut-scenes/epilogues that continue the existing endings. most if not all free things pale in comparison to funded things. i will give the extended cut a chance though just out of curiosity as to how you explain the final scenes of the game (joker/squad fleeing, stranded races, etc).

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I don't see how this is going to help me, but I have to wait I guess.

On the positive side, at least I won't have to spend any more money on ME.

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Ok some time last night - when I was around page 55 I believe, I came to the conclusion that it's probably highly unlikely that BW will give us anything more than what is proposed in the press release - I decided to reanalyse what I consider to be the biggest problems I (as in just me - not trying to imply anyone else does or should share my view or that my ideas would suit anyone else but me) have with the current ending, and see if there was a conceivable way the proposed DLC could be done in a way that would if not blow me away at least somewhat satisfy me (in a way the current ending fails completely to do).

I was originally going to write a post, but it got far to long as I decided to go off on some odd tangents, so it took the form of a rather long blog post.

The TL;DR version can be summerised thus (and yes this is slightly long too - sorry)

I have 5 main issues with the ending (I have other, to me less important problems too, but they require a much bigger rewrite to fix so for the sake of simplification I'm prepared to add a more than healthy suspension of disbelief to the mix.

Those 5 issues are:
  • Late introduction of the Star Child as the overall antagonist.
  • Destroying the Relays didn't destroy the Star Systems they were in
  • My Choices didn't Matter as the endings are almost identical and everyone's stranded in the Sol System anyways.
  • My Shepard happily accepted everything the Star Brat said on blind faith (this is probably my number 1 issue)
  • My supposedly loyal crew bugged out mid-battle (even those who had been right by my side earlier in the battle).
My Conclusions:

1 & 2.
Having read this article, I believe that with a rewrite of the dialogue between Shepard and the brat, it would be possible to make this a plausable but easily missable reference to the entity herin refered to as the Star Brat.  This rewrite could also include enough conversation to inform me that using Space Magic to destroy the relays will have an entirely different effect than crashing an astroid into one.

3.
This chart showed me that there are currently 7 possible endings to the game (and that could be expanded by the inclusion of some but not all squad members die option between the Low & High EMS scores).  A new set of ending cinematics could be used to show a bigger difference in those endings (plus they could also show your squadmates surviving or dying and with other assests i.e. the elcor & rachni among others fighting in the background) - the ones currently in use pretty much make the current differences between the endings fairly moot. As for everyone being stranded in the Sol System, if the now sythesised or controlled reapers can't help us get between star systems or if you destroyed them - maybe there's something in the prothean archives on Mars that will help us build appropriate technology (better drives or mass relay type devices).  In the mean time, the Quarrians bought all their ships so they can feed themselves and the turians - and only the major cities of earth were hit - so enough food could be produced to feed everyone else for a limited time anyways.

4.
This one would require a hell of a lot of exceptional dialogue (with Shepard actually arguing with the brat) before I could be convinced that these are the only options available especially with Shepards attitude of "There's always another way".  I still believe there needs to be a fourth option available (either paragon or renegade depending on your reputation) that is of Shepards own making either by direct action or through getting the brat to offer another solution - this doesn't have to be a happy rainbows and unicorns ending - if for the sake of artistic integrety Shepard has to sacrifice her(him)self then so be it - if it's important that the Mass Relays are destroyed then go right ahead - just don't expect me to blindly accept that the StarBrats logic is anything but flawed, and that i must kill the geth & edi to destroy the reapers.

5.
This one just defys all logic, and there is no way to make it work - the best option, just delete all versions of the Normandy running away and crashing cinematic.

No matter how you try to swing it - at the very least new dialogue and some damn good cinematics & epilogues are need to fix these issues, although I'm still not entirely convinced that is enough.

One thing I am convinced of however is that this needs to be written by someone other than Mac & Casey (hasn't it been shown that they were responsible for writting the ending in its current form).  Best option give the job to the likes of Patrick Weekes and John Dombrow after all these are the guys that gave us Tuchunka & Mordins death scene - These are are the guys who bought real tears as our "friends" died (Thane, Mordin & Legion). 

More importantly these are the guys who's "artistic integrity", I would trust to write this and to do the best job of sorting out the mess that currently exists even within the restraints that BW/EA wish to impose on the Ending DLC (ie not a full rewrite of the ending just clarification). 

Would this make me entirely happy - no but if I am forced to compromise, then this is the comromise I most wish to take.

Modifié par Kargsure, 06 avril 2012 - 09:37 .


#1567
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All about money isn't it? An extended cut scene won't be as costly as developing whole new endings and since charging for dlc to fix this problem would be a bad PR move then this is what we're stuck with. They can bleat on about "artistic integrity" all they want, but its all about the money. They want this out of the way so they can move on to developments that they can charge us for.

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Ryokun1989 wrote...

What RyuujinZERO said.

That's a paragon ending right there.


Slavery is paragon? Good to know.

What happened to: "We are each a nation. Independent." ? (or for that matter, given the spacebrat ending, what happened to the rest of sovereigns speech... <_<)

#1569
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If I read it correctly it doesn't say whether or not the cutscenes only will be after picking a colour. Some of the cutscenes may be during/before the final assault on the beam, when the fleets attack Earth, after you have engaged TIM, etc etc etc.
Maybe we get to see the war assets in play with the extra cutscenes. They have until summer to make the cutscenes, so they have time to make quite a few cutscenes.
I'm going to remain positive than BioWare doesn't screw it up and actually give us some good answers and closure.

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@Kargsure a well constructed post, you make your points clear :3

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There's a starman waiting in the sky
He'd like to come and meet us
But he thinks he'd blow our minds
There's a starman waiting in the sky
He's told us not to blow it
Cause he knows it's all worthwhile

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Nightstalka01 wrote...

jules_vern18 wrote...

fivefingaslap18 wrote...

It's free. That's a step in the right direction.


No.  If it's free, you get less.  I don't know where this obsession with "it must be free!" came from, but I would be MUCH more willing to pay 10 or even 15 bucks to see a well-produced, thorough, and cohesive piece of fan-service.

Because so many people insisted it had to be FREEE!!!11!!, Bioware might have been afraid to create a fully-funded paid version and so we'll be stuck with a wall of epilogue text or 5 minutes worth of cut scenes instead.

I hope it's worth the 10 bucks you saved, because developer funding doesn't grow on trees.


Agree with this 100%


customer trust don't grow on trees either.

Bioware killed customer trust, they need to invest real money into getting it back if they want to survive as a company in the future.

#1573
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Well this is the badest news ive heard so far but i guess if u chose the ending where shepard lives it better be detailed and him back with his romance partner or something :*(

Modifié par Crypto109, 06 avril 2012 - 10:08 .


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Nightstalka01 wrote...

As much as the "artistic vision" of the writers has served them well until now, this one video explains why that term simply doesn't cut it with the existing ending...

www.youtube.com/watch   *contains spoilers*

I believe this pretty much sums up EVERYTHING that is currently wrong with the ending, while acknowledging that ME3 is still an amazing game. It also explains why simply providing extended scenes will not change or fix the issues that almost ruin the whole series, while providing ideas for simple and effective solutions to solve EVERY complaint that currently plagues this otherwise amazing and wondrous game...




Now that I've had a few hours to cool down from my nerdrage :devil:....  I watch this video and all the disappointment/anger is fully expressed in this wonderfully humerous, yet informative and TRUE take on why so many people have problems with the Mass Effect 3 ending.

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I grow tired of this...

Modifié par SwitchN7, 06 avril 2012 - 10:19 .