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[digby69]

BecBec wrote...

It still baffles me that there wasn't even an ending where the REAPERS WON.

They did if you choose Blue or Green

[SinnSly]

Estelindis wrote...

I don't see how this is going to give most of those who were disappointed in the ending what they're actually looking for.  Bioware may be proud of the ending, but the "passionate" fans referenced in the press release are not.  Given that these are the fans to whom, presumably, you're responding, I sincerely doubt that this will do much to improve relations. 

I believe Mass Effect is sort of.. just ruined because of the ending, to think BioWare is proud of this ending, I can't even explain it!

I think ME3's ending was the worst, in game history! I was truly angry when I saw that damned ending, I feel like I wasted my money buying ME3....

[Corbinus]

digby69 wrote...

BecBec wrote...

It still baffles me that there wasn't even an ending where the REAPERS WON.

They did if you choose Blue or Green

Says who?

[SalsaDMA]

Corbinus wrote...

digby69 wrote...

BecBec wrote...

It still baffles me that there wasn't even an ending where the REAPERS WON.

They did if you choose Blue or Green

Says who?

TIM and Saren

[wcoldplayerw]

My god, I'm depressed like I just finish ME 3. Seriously, IT is so good explanation to whats happened in the end, and only chance to get it right without remaking ending. I believe in IT even now, can't accept this poor endings. And I don't care about some 10-20 dollars, just want worthy final to ME series.
If something is the piece of **** and you going to extend it than we get a big pile of ****. Theres no way this plot-holey ending can be fixed or extended. So, I don't care about free content to the fans bla bla bla, If it will be only extension of endings I don't need this. It's already very clear, all true fans gets a middle finger for now.

IT is so good... indoctrination of player to force him make a wrong choice, this is genius...... F*CK!!!!!!

[iDeevil]

Interesting, just read the post again about the extended ending. They have left it open, if they close, to add additional endings. All they said was they haven't planned on doing so (which once upon a time they didn't plan this addition) and they will definitively not change the ending.


Additional options is not a change. Perhaps we may, if we're lucky, get something more, but I suggest a respectful discourse works best to be heard...

[WhereisBaoDur]

Moriloke wrote...

It may have already been posted in this thread (didn't check all the 64+ pages, grew tired of everyone stating that EA is ****, Bioware is dead, and many non constructive answers, even though there are some good opinions in all this, and some good thought process that is worth reading), but I think this is worth viewing, Bioware.

Because it's a well expressed opinion, a really not full of rage video that shows what really makes this ending problematic to us, when we surpass the emotionnal part. 39 minutes of " what made ME great, what makes a story worth following and loving, and how it was noot followed for an unknown reason in the late part of ME3".

This video contains many heavy spoilers for ME1 2 & 3.
www.youtube.com/watch

And we do respect and appreciate the writers' and developpement team's work. If we whine that much, that's because we CARE. Because we LOVE this whole universe. And we want all of this to be perfect, and we know YOU can do it, YOU're better than what we saw through ME3's ending. Because every bit of this universe was epic, legendary. And we don't want to remember all of this just with "the ending ruined it all..."

Still I'll give a chance to the DLC to make my first time through ME3 less SAD ( not in the story, but in my feeling regarding ME ), but I don't believe it will be what makes me redo the game(s) over and over. 

Agreed. it's not just the endings though, as i think i have explained above. to make an other example (it's not just a question of complaining) one of the best ideas of the whole universe is how using someone else's technology, one develops along the ways they desire. that and the matter of self determination were exemplified by Legion's conversations, and the conclusion that, regarless of the reapers disturbing modus operandi and purposes, the goal is as important as the way you achieve it, were entirely discarded in ME3. As i have said before, there is no way to leave the geth unaltered by reaper tech. that's sad. it could have worked if it had been put some emphasis on it. instead.... I'd like to be optimist but i fear  ME3: Extended Crap DLC is on the way

[Silasqtx]

Corbinus wrote...

digby69 wrote...

BecBec wrote...

It still baffles me that there wasn't even an ending where the REAPERS WON.

They did if you choose Blue or Green

Says who?

Says simple logic.

Control: Reapers are still there, and you're """"controlling them"""". You sacrificed everything you ever cared or stood for and the Reapers are still out there, but you're dead. = They won. You also reckoned that they are superior and basically you throw in the towel.

Merge: Saren said it, and he clearly was indoctrinated. So that's the "third way" that is basically a loss for everyone, because you sacrifice Evolution and its beauty due to a stupid stargodkid. Oh and yes, you reach the "pinnacle of evolution" like Sovereign said, and the Reapers are still alive. And agian, you reckon they are superior and basically you throw in the towel, again.

So basically, in both scenarios you lose.

Modifié par Silasqtx, 06 avril 2012 - 12:09 .

[wcoldplayerw]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Corbinus wrote...

digby69 wrote...

BecBec wrote...

It still baffles me that there wasn't even an ending where the REAPERS WON.

They did if you choose Blue or Green

Says who?

TIM and Saren

Totally right. 

[Quintega]

I'm rather sick of hearing the argument of Artistic integrity. Bethesda Already changed a games ending in FAllout 3 they basically looked at the ending and said well crap. Also we were still frauded in other things promised in this game. Such as exploration of planets Via vehicles like in ME1, and weapon and armor transfers from ME2. Also for your stellar reviews Toonami even said your ending is weak. I am refuse to buy from Bioware until this ending makes sense. Your patch will do nothing.

If you want to save this game you better go with the indoctrination theory. Thats the only way to save it.

[Xarathox]

Wonder if there's going to be any firings over this debacle.

[Lobinic]

Lies BIOWARE

Official Mass Effect Website
http://masseffect.com/about/story/
“Experience the beginning, middle, and end of an emotional story unlike any other, where the decisions you make completely shape your experience and outcome."
Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer) http://popwatch.ew.c...-3-mac-walters/
“[The presence of the Rachni] has huge consequences in Mass Effect 3. Even just in the final battle with the Reapers.”
Interview with Mac Walters (Lead Writer) http://business.fina...-all-audiences/
“I’m always leery of saying there are 'optimal' endings, because I think one of the things we do try to do is make different endings that are optimal for different people “
Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer) http://www.computera...missing-in-me2/
“And, to be honest, you [the fans] are crafting your Mass Effect story as much as we are anyway.”
Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer) http://www.360magazi...ferent-endings/
*“There are many different endings. We wouldn’t do it any other way. How could you go through all three campaigns playing as your Shepard andthen be forced into a bespoke ending that everyone gets? But I can’t say any more than that…” *
Interview with Mike Gamble (Associate Producer) http://www.eurogamer...me-people-angry
“Every decision you've made will impact how things go. The player's also the architect of what happens."
“You'll get answers to everything. That was one of the key things. Regardless of how we did everything, we had to say, yes, we're going to provide some answers to these people.”
*“Because a lot of these plot threads are concluding and because it's being brought to a finale, since you were a part of architecting how they got to how they were, you will definitely sense how they close was because of the decisions you made and because of the decisions you didn't make” *
Interview with Casey Hudson (Director) http://www.gameinfor...s-effect-3.aspx
*“For people who are invested in these characters and the back-story of the universe and everything, all of these things come to a resolution in Mass Effect 3. And they are resolved in a way that's very different based on what you would do in those situations.” *
Interview with Casey Hudson (Director) http://venturebeat.c...fans-interview/
“Fans want to make sure that they see things resolved, they want to get some closure, a great ending. I think they’re going to get that.”
*“Mass Effect 3 is all about answering all the biggest questions in the lore, learning about the mysteries and the Protheans and the Reapers, being able to decide for yourself how all of these things come to an end.” *
Interviewer: “So are you guys the creators or the stewards of the franchise?” Hudson: “Um… You know, at this point, I think we’re co-creators with the fans. We use a lot of feedback.”
Interview with Casey Hudson (Director) http://www.gameinfor...PostPageIndex=2
Interviewer: [Regarding the numerous possible endings of Mass Effect 2] “Is that same type of complexity built into the ending of Mass Effect 3?” Hudson: “Yeah, and I’d say much more so, because we have the ability to build the endings out in a way that we don’t have to worry about eventually tying them back together somewhere. This story arc is coming to an end with this game. That means the endings can be a lot more different. At this point we’re taking into account so many decisions that you’ve made as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them.”
“We have a rule in our franchise that there is no canon. You as a player decide what your story is.”

[Corbinus]

Silasqtx wrote...
Says simple logic.
Control: Reapers are still there, and you're """"controlling them"""". You sacrificed everything you ever cared or stood for and the Reapers are still out there, but you're dead. = They won. You also reckoned that they are superior and basically you throw in the towel.
Merge: Saren said it, and he clearly was indoctrinated. So that's the "third way" that is basically a loss for everyone, because you sacrifice Evolution and its beauty due to a stupid stargodkid. Oh and yes, you reach the "pinnacle of evolution" like Sovereign said, and the Reapers are still alive. And agian, you reckon they are superior and basically you throw in the towel, again.
So basically, in both scenarios you lose.

I fail to see how Controlling Reapers means I sacrificed everything I stood for. My (Shepard's  actually) body, yes. My happy future with LI - yes. My normal life as a human, yes. Nothing more.
The whole problem with Control here is that 99% people just stuck with the thought "TIM is evil. He wants to control Reapers. Thats evil too"
Reapers are tools, nothing more. Probably with a free will, but still tools. I can use  them like TIM to ensure human domination or to become Emperor of Universe. Or I can use them to keep peace and help rebuild the civilization, Relay, etc.
I played a 100% Paragon. I hated TIM's guts and made him kill himself, because he was evil and indoctrinated. Yet I chose Control and never doubt  about my choice.
I won't defend Synthesis since here I am mostly agreed with you. Except fot the part, with Saren. Submission to Reapers is not the same as Synthesis.

Modifié par Corbinus, 06 avril 2012 - 12:25 .

[Sidney]

BecBec wrote...

It still baffles me that there wasn't even an ending where the REAPERS WON.

There are two difference "scenarios" where the Reapers will win. There is no cutscene for Reaper victory but if you do not make a choice on the crucible they win (destroy the crucible) or the more obvious one where you die anytime during the ga,e.

[tango jack]

Xarathox wrote...

Wonder if there's going to be any firings over this debacle.

probably not they dont see it as a debacle somehow

[Sidney]

Quintega wrote...

I'm rather sick of hearing the argument of Artistic integrity. Bethesda Already changed a games ending in FAllout 3 they basically looked at the ending and said well crap. Also we were still frauded in other things promised in this game. Such as exploration of planets Via vehicles like in ME1, and weapon and armor transfers from ME2. Also for your stellar reviews Toonami even said your ending is weak. I am refuse to buy from Bioware until this ending makes sense. Your patch will do nothing.

If you want to save this game you better go with the indoctrination theory. Thats the only way to save it.

In fariness the 8 seconds Bethesda spends having my cat write "plots" for their games really doesn't count as art anyways.

Plus, even more honestly, the stupid ideas most people on the BSN have about what they want an ending to be tell me that vast swaths of them wouldn't like any endning that wasn't unicorns and rainbows. I have no faith that building the game to be the way "the people want it" would be a collosal failure.

[Tankred]

A real epilogue is fine with me, as long as they plug the gaps in the story( especially the weird Normandy escape). Didn´t really expect em to change the ending in general.

[Xarathox]

tango jack wrote...

Xarathox wrote...

Wonder if there's going to be any firings over this debacle.

probably not they dont see it as a debacle somehow

Too bad. If rumors are true, hack walters and casey CHUDson locked themselves away to write the ending, and left the other writters out of the loop. If that doesn't deserve being fired over, at least a demotion is in order.

[Wizard of thay]

My issue with the ending was that I just didn't understad it...I hope that the new additions will help me to because other then my confusion it was an excellent game...

[Nathan Redgrave]

DoctorEss wrote...

That's all well and good, but no amount of "closure" or "clarity" can fill in plot holes. At the core of it, that's what this has always been about. The ending has too much that flat out makes no sense. You can be as proud as you want about something that makes no sense, but it still, at the end of the day, makes no sense.

The ending as it is makes more sense than some give it credit for, but it requires a lot of filling in of blanks to get that sense. In a case like that, "clarity" is definitely called for.

In any event, what a lot of people really want is that closure. My question is: will this extended cut involve any additional content that gives the player a sense of what their choices result in? Will we not only receive closure with regards to Shepard and the Reapers, but for the krogan, rachni, geth, quarians, and all those other races whose fates we either directly or indirectly decided over the course of the game? For me, that's the big thing.

[Nathan Redgrave]

Quintega wrote...

If you want to save this game you better go with the indoctrination theory. Thats the only way to save it.

Yes. Let's retcon indoctrination so that it makes you hallucinate. Why not.

[withhindsight]

I can't believe people are accepting this as a solution, now amount of epilogue will change the fact the endings were crap.

Sick of how bioware ends their stories, bored of it now, although Mass Effect 3 was definitely the worst. But this is not actually EAs fault, think about it Revans ending was pants before it was made worse in TOR, NWN ended quite badly and I'm sure Dragon Age will too.

Bye Bye Bioware, may we not see each other again unless somebody gets me a malinformed xmas gift.

[GlennWH]

I'm willing to wait and see. But I don't see how any clarification that leaves that abysmal ending intact will make a difference. The ending was not an artistic statement, it was a cheap, rushed shortcut. Padding will not turn a fail into a win.

I won't go so far as to say I will never buy Bioware again, but my faith in the brand has been shaken, and and future purchases will be much more hesitant.

I do have one question: How can the team that gave us the Suicide Mission, Tuchanka, and Rannoch look at that ending and say, "Yeah, that's good."

[Beti88]

BecBec wrote...

It still baffles me that there wasn't even an ending where the REAPERS WON.

It's magic. The don't have to explain sh*t

[voteDC]

Nathan Redgrave wrote...

Quintega wrote...

If you want to save this game you better go with the indoctrination theory. Thats the only way to save it.

Yes. Let's retcon indoctrination so that it makes you hallucinate. Why not.

It's not a retcon. Halucinations are mentioned in the codex and videos you find on the derilict Reaper in ME2.