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[Super.Sid]

ok now that the dlc pack is out, compare and see

[ciisco]

As many would agree, enjoyed the game, wasn't what we'd hoped following previous 2 titles, but enjoyable. The ending lacked any real closure, and left more questions and answers.

Reading through some forums drew more questions I had not considered before.
My favorite is still, if the mass effect relays are all blown to hell, how will all the fleets get back to their homeworlds?, what happens next?
--- Easy - they all fight for Earth, and last civilization standing wins the prize.

But really, my question is, I know there had to be in-house Alphas and Betas... how did they miss this? Did it not draw questions with them as well, or were they just told to shut up and work? I applaud all their hard work, but someone should have saw this coming. I've never seen Lost, but from everything I hear about it, the game was wrapped up the same way.

Well, whats done is done, and the fans have let loose their fury. Let's see how BioWare tries to resolve with the summer DLC. If they screw this up, I may just have to personally ban on future BioWare games.

[Playlong]

[/quote]
...that's why I'm calling them intellectually handicapped...
[/quote]

If by *them* you mean the 58% that is dissatisified with the ending?  (A Bioware poll put it at 91%)

Your Ad Hominem remark also does nothing to help your case, it is established that there are many problems with the ending.  Filling in the plot holes with more ret-cons will not improve matters...

[METALPUNKS]

translationninja wrote...

METALPUNKS wrote...
So awesome. Bioware did exactly what I said and what they needed to do. I'm so happy they didn't get pushed by the fans. They stood up for their ending just like I thought they would and that is what I wanted. Bioware is the best. Awesome thanks. Although I loves the ending I will be downloading the dlc, I want to see what they do.

So  awesome. I am so happy for you that you have the ability to draw happiness from the fact that thousands over thousands of people have suffered a severe disappointment, frustration, dissatisfaction and loss of time invested in a franchise. Great for you to have gotten what you wanted.

With such simple appetites I am not surprised you like the ending at all.

What is the problem. You didn't like the ending. You said you wanted a new ending or at the least an explanation of the current ending, maybe an epilogue etc. You got exactly that. I'm not sure you'll ever be satisfied. There is nothing more they can do, in shocked they're doing this much. Oh and you said you didn't want to pay for it and your not. So ya that is awesome for everyone involved. 

So let me ask you this. Why? Why must you complain even more after the initial complaining? You complained about the ending now they have responded. They could have said were not doing anything but they didn't. I've learned one thing in the last few years. Nobody is ever happy with anything with video games. There is always something wrong. We can never just enjoy the game. Please just stop and wait to see what they deliver. Easy right? 

[Playlong]

Ryokun1989 wrote...

@Playlong

Another Ad Hominem remark, you do not even try to rebuttal the points I raised...  Only a poor youtube insult?  Although I doubt you can do better.

At least try to defend the star child's motive?

[Ryokun1989]

[quote]Playlong wrote...

[/quote]
...that's why I'm calling them intellectually handicapped...
[/quote]

If by *them* you mean the 58% that is dissatisified with the ending?  (A Bioware poll put it at 91%)

Your Ad Hominem remark also does nothing to help your case, it is established that there are many problems with the ending.  Filling in the plot holes with more ret-cons will not improve matters...
[/quote]

No it is not 'established there are many problems with the ending'; it's established there's a group of people that doesn't understand the endings and has to **** about it.

My rather aggressive stance is a direct result of interacting with this group of people for some time.

They're not 'filling in plot holes', they're making some very special explanation content for some very special people who tend to drool.

[kalle90]

Super.Sid wrote...

ok now that the dlc pack is out, compare and see

Because of the leak we got the current ending?

Means that because of this "leak" we're not getting this either. People should definitely not post these leaks because using them would damage Bioware's artistic integrity so they decide not to use them.

It's like a kid in class going "Hey! You copied my answers! Ah well I better make up new ones myself then"

[Corbinus]

Playlong wrote...
2- The star child contradicts itself twice AND ret con's ME1.
 It states that; "The created will always rebel against the creators." 
IFF this star child made the reapers, why aren't the reapers rebelling
against him?  This doesn't even take into account EDI or the Geth. 
Through-out ALL the lore of Mass Effect the Geth only acted in
self-defense.  It requires the intervention of the reapers themselves to
make the geth fight organics (Heretics).

1) There is difference here. It is possible that his "created will always rebel agains the creators" can be applied only to syntetics rebelling agains organic. If Catalyst is synthetic, then it is syntetics creating another syntetics. May be not covered by the rule. Remember Javic "Syntetics doesn't see the purpose of organic life" Catalyst HAS a purpose - stop the destruction of all organic.

2) Geth a) Didn't have a true intelligence without their Network. Can be lucky exception from the rule

Playlong wrote...
The conversation with
Soverign establishes that each Reaper is like a nation, independent, the
Star Child controlling them destroys this...  It also reveals a
weakness, instead of choosing RGB, Shepard can just get on the comms
with Hackett and tell him to blow up the Citadel (the reaper
controller)...

We do not know how Catalyst's control works. It is entirely possible that Reapers share his logic and merely follows his orders so they can finish the cycle without him

Playlong wrote...
3- Ret Con Mass Relay destruction
  In the
Arrival DLC it's stated the destruction of a mass relay will destroy a
star system, akin to a super nova.  Destroying the relays will
effectively wipe out the homeworlds of every major species...  Obviously
we'll have to say that these are "different" explosions...

It is possible that blowing Relays with Crucible energy is not the same that doing it with a big rock.

Playlong wrote...
4- Guarding Organics against Synthetics
 Again ignoring EDI / Geth it has already been established that the
organics are capable of protecting themselves against synthetics...  The
moon base AI (lol @ those that know), The Geth can be pushed back, even
the Quarians were about to wipe them out, it required the intervention
of a Reaper to turn the tide.  The organics have also already
established laws against AI's and are capable of policing themselves... 
No Reapers needed...

Geth didn't want to go to war. They wanted to built Dyson's sphere and live inside. That's why Quarians were able to fight them. EDI however started as AI from Luna which wasn't friendly at all. It became so after Cerberus got it.

Playlong wrote...
Red is stated to destroy higher technologies, mainly space faring tech...

Wrong. Is is never stated to do such things. It is stated to destroy syntetic lifeforms only.

Modifié par Corbinus, 06 avril 2012 - 05:53 .

[Ryokun1989]

Playlong wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

@Playlong

Another Ad Hominem remark, you do not even try to rebuttal the points I raised...  Only a poor youtube insult?  Although I doubt you can do better.

At least try to defend the star child's motive?

I already have about fifteen times.

All right, once more:

Organic life eventually develops technology that becomes intelligent. Artificial Intelligence. If this artificial intelligence becomes sufficiently advanced, it will enter into an infinite loop which makes it unstoppable. If this happens (it hasn't happened yet, at least in our 'cycle') organic life will be snuffed out. 
To prevent it from happening technology must be stopped from advancing beyond a certain level. They can't just destroy robots, because then the organics still have the technology to make new ones, that won't help.
The solution is to harvest advanced organic life every so many tens of thousands of years and turn them into reapers.
This gives less developed organic life a chance to grow, like the pruning of a garden, and the cycle continues.

However, THIS cycle the organics have stood up to the reapers. They won't accept being harvested. They've come together and created the crucible, which opens up new solutions.
Shepard, as prime mover of the organic resistance, gets to choose one of these new solutions.


So you see, the reason Shepard isn't 'fighting' the God/Ancient AI/whatever is that there is absolutely no point. He's already won! He gets to choose what happens next.

[MnMH]

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Beti88 wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Nope, but aside from the 'retakers' nobody was so bothered by it to demand it changed. Amirite?

Let me tell you one of the most basic truths of customer relations:

For every disatisfied customer that bothers to complain, there is 26 other who don't.

So this makes 1.89 million disappointed customers.

Disappointed with the ending, not the game.

And that's making a lot of assumptions - that there's indeed that many 'retakers' (the poll had lots of people voting multiple times), that the rule about customers complaining still goes when 'complaining' is an internet browser away (this lowers the amount of effort it takes to complain spectacularly).

Mass Effect 3 sold spectacularly. You know the next thing BioWare makes will sell spectacularly too.

If BioWare were really that worried about *losing all their customes* as you seem to imply, why don't they fully bend over and let the 'fans' have their way with them and create an ending with rainbows, unicorns and lots and lots of exposition. And Tali naked.

I hesitate to jump into this because I suspect you
might be trolling but…against my better judgment...



You're also making assumptions. Since Beti88 hasn't noted any particular poll,
you can't know that "lots of people [voted] multiple times." This is
your premise, not your argument.



Of course ME3 sold well. What's your point? Justin Bieber's records sell
well, but it does mean I have to appreciate his music or that it's above
criticism.



Betti88 didn't imply that Bioware is worried about "losing all their
customers" (at least, not in the post you quote). You infer this, and you
infer poorly. HIs/her point is that for every fan that did participate in the
poll (or join the retake movement) there are a multitude how haven't. I've
never participated in any poll or joined the retake movement, and I'm dissatisfied
enough that I'll consider future Bioware offerings suspect.



Fan's aren't asking for rainbows, explosions, or naked Tali. They're asking,
more or less, for what was advertised: a solid conclusion to the series,
that doesn't leave the player with a multitude of questions, and doesn't offer
an A, B, C ending. Unfortunately, this is precisely what fans received, and
this ending is below Bioware's usual standards.



The fact of the matter is, Bioware's recent track record is abysmal on the
narrative front. Many of their oldest and most loyal fans play Bioware's games
for the narrative. In the future, I'll be waiting for friends to complete
Bioware's games so I can quiz them about the story. Bioware will no longer have
any release day purchases from me; maybe no purchases at all.



And that's the kind of thing a company ought to be concerned with.

Modifié par MnMH, 06 avril 2012 - 06:03 .

[hobbsyoyo]

So instead of giving players the ending they want, they just add some new dialogue to the ending everyone hated!

Way to go EA/Bioware! 

The only thing that can make this worse is if the new scenes consist solely of cheesy flashbacks (using recycled cutscenes) of Shep saving the rachni queen, killing Wrex, etc...

Shame.

[the almighty moo]

I have a feeling bioware is going to get a lot of aggro from people feeling like they have been "shafted".

[Ryokun1989]

You not LIKING the narrative does not make it a BAD narrative.

Mass Effect 3 has a multi-layered, more deep narrative than nearly any other game.

So I suspect YOU might be trolling, but 'the fact of the matter' is NOT that 'BioWare's recent track record is abysmal', because that is YOUR premise, not your argument.


So all right, you didn't want to be left with questions, and you were. Tough luck.

(P.s. I'm not even sure what these questions are; for instance, if it's 'who the reapers are', any explanation there could only be SO LAME)

Modifié par Ryokun1989, 06 avril 2012 - 06:17 .

[Suko Reia]

Please!!!
We want a 4th ending dlc
We dont want an extended ending dlc!!
Because those endings are horrible!!

If you really are listening to us, that is the answer that we want.
A NEW ENDING. Thats all

[SalsaDMA]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Little Mama wrote...

The ending doesn’t need a clarification, it needs a modification!

(And that [you] BioWare are making it free just tells us fans how much *effort* you'll put into it..)

Then send them money.......

I sent Fargo money to make Wasteland2 via kickstarter instead. Seemed a better usage, tbh.

I even poured out the 50$ tag to get an 'old school box version with booklet'.

I have trust in Fargos integrity about rpgs. I lost it with Bioware.

[Ricehawk]

Can someone link me to a forum thread or something from the creators of the game that can explain the ending to me? I'm not saying that i don't like it or anything i just want to actually find out what the ending is about from the words of the actual creators. I just recently finished the game and i'm rather confused about it all. All this talk about an extended cut but i still don;t fully understand what the original ending is about lol.

[Gethund]

Having waded through 70 pages of this, I think my own thoughts on the disappointment this represents have been eloquently stated already.

So I shall confine myself to stating that I do not appreciate being talked down to like a recalcitrant special needs child. That press release, and the attitude of Bioware and EA in general since the release of ME3 is condescending, patronising and simply rude.

It amazes me that utterances like this come from a department called 'Public Relations'.

Artistic integrity requires a level of art. Oh, and integrity. I am very disappointed in a company whose work I used to adore.

All the best, all of you, whatever your opinion may be on this matter.

[Ryokun1989]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Little Mama wrote...

The ending doesn’t need a clarification, it needs a modification!

(And that [you] BioWare are making it free just tells us fans how much *effort* you'll put into it..)

Then send them money.......

I sent Fargo money to make Wasteland2 via kickstarter instead. Seemed a better usage, tbh.

I even poured out the 50$ tag to get an 'old school box version with booklet'.

I have trust in Fargos integrity about rpgs. I lost it with Bioware.

"Integrity" is not giving in to childish demands from entitled gamers. It's choosing your path and sticking to it. 

Mass Effect 3 is not a kickstarter game. And not even a kickstarter game means you get to dictate what the designers should do. You give them money because you believe in their vision; you don't own their vision.

[Corbinus]

Suko Reia wrote...
Please!!!
We want a 4th ending dlc
We dont want an extended ending dlc!!
Because those endings are horrible!!
If you really are listening to us, that is the answer that we want.
A NEW ENDING. Thats all

What's the point of this post? It is over already. The train has left. Or do you expect Bioware to suddenly say
"Hey! Forget what we just said. We are going to make a new ending for you! " Seems unlikely.

[Ryokun1989]

Ricehawk wrote...

Can someone link me to a forum thread or something from the creators of the game that can explain the ending to me? I'm not saying that i don't like it or anything i just want to actually find out what the ending is about from the words of the actual creators. I just recently finished the game and i'm rather confused about it all. All this talk about an extended cut but i still don;t fully understand what the original ending is about lol.

That's exactly what the extended cut will do. It's not a change, it's more explanation of the original.

[OdanUrr]

Well, apparently it's been confirmed there won't be further gameplay or choices, just variations.

http://social.biowar.../index/11096223

[SilverTheEye]

To my regret, after an awful ending, after disgusting behavior of EA and BW, I decided to buy production of both companies never more. It was a difficult decision as here 15 years from my 31 years of life, I buy their production. But after they scoffed at us, I made this decision. More I won't buy any game let out by both companies. And I will use the best efforts, what in the territory of Russia, everyone learned, that both companies wanted to spit on our feelings. To take away our money and to provide in replacements a poor-quality, bad, crude plot in a beautiful cover.

[SalsaDMA]

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Izhalezan wrote...

orangesonic wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Izhalezan wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...


The price has fallen hard? On Amazon.com from 59.99 to 49.99 after a couple of weeks? Kingdoms of Amalur is a few weeks older and is down from 59.99 to 39.99.
This is completely norma!

Call of Duty: MW3, released Nov. 8; price: 59.99 today, April 6, price: 59.99, on the steam store it didn't even go on sale.

http://www.amazon.co...33730705&sr=8-1 

It's 34,99. Liar.

it`s normal for people to lie trying to make you believe... they kind of think nobody is going to discover that theirs Jedi mind control powers are actually a fantasy

I talked about steam prices and he goes to amazon.... feel free to show me where on steam mw3, or Amalur doesn't cost 59.99

Mass Effect 3 isn't available on steam, now is it? So how can you compare it? We were talking about Amazon for a reason.
Geez, what an idiot.


P.s. On origin Mass Effect 3 for PC is still at its original price point of 49.99

Ryo, you're trolling so hard it's not even funny.

When I check pc game prices on amazon, ME3 is listed at 17£ and MW3 at 20.91£ (BF3 at 24.95£, so EA can at least celebrate that minor thing)
And no, it's far from the only game ME3 have dropped below.

Demand and supply. Demand is lower than for some other games it seem...

[SalsaDMA]

Ryokun1989 wrote...

You not LIKING the narrative does not make it a BAD narrative.

No, the fact that it is objectively bad does that.

You should check out the 40 minute video that have been linked a couple of times on the forum. It explains pretty well just why the ending is literally broken.

No narrative coherence.

[Ryokun1989]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Ryo, you're trolling so hard it's not even funny.

When I check pc game prices on amazon, ME3 is listed at 17£ and MW3 at 20.91£ (BF3 at 24.95£, so EA can at least celebrate that minor thing)
And no, it's far from the only game ME3 have dropped below.

Demand and supply. Demand is lower than for some other games it seem...

http://www.amazon.co...33737515&sr=8-1   
??

Who the **** is trolling here?