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[ZombifiedJake]

What can fans expect from the Extended Cut DLC?
For fans who want more closure in Mass Effect 3, the DLC will offer extended scenes that provide additional context and deeper insight to the conclusion of Commander Shepard's journey. a continuation of our terrible ending, whilst ignoring the majority of fans.

I'm glad that they've done something, even if it isn't exactly a step in the right direction, but it's time to move on.

[Ryokun1989]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

You not LIKING the narrative does not make it a BAD narrative.

No, the fact that it is objectively bad does that.

You should check out the 40 minute video that have been linked a couple of times on the forum. It explains pretty well just why the ending is literally broken.

No narrative coherence.

Except that that 'fact' comes out of your collective ****s.

[SalsaDMA]

Ryokun1989 wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Little Mama wrote...

The ending doesn’t need a clarification, it needs a modification!

(And that [you] BioWare are making it free just tells us fans how much *effort* you'll put into it..)

Then send them money.......

I sent Fargo money to make Wasteland2 via kickstarter instead. Seemed a better usage, tbh.

I even poured out the 50$ tag to get an 'old school box version with booklet'.

I have trust in Fargos integrity about rpgs. I lost it with Bioware.

"Integrity" is not giving in to childish demands from entitled gamers. It's choosing your path and sticking to it. 

Mass Effect 3 is not a kickstarter game. And not even a kickstarter game means you get to dictate what the designers should do. You give them money because you believe in their vision; you don't own their vision.

But see. the difference is: I BELIEVE that fargo will do as he tells he will do with the game.

With Bioware we now KNOW they will say one thing and do another rgardless of what they said previously.

That is why they have no integrity.

As for your comment about "childish demands"... Aside that it shows you appearantly can't argue without making flawed ad hominem attacks, you should remember that line next time you get a faulty product and wonders how you should respond. <_<

[crazyrabbits]

Ryokun1989 wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

You not LIKING the narrative does not make it a BAD narrative.

No, the fact that it is objectively bad does that.

You should check out the 40 minute video that have been linked a couple of times on the forum. It explains pretty well just why the ending is literally broken.

No narrative coherence.

Except that that 'fact' comes out of your collective ****s.

Whether it uses a deus ex machina, McGuffin, unexplained questions or plot holes, bad writing is still objectively bad writing.

I haven't seen a single person form a coherent defense for every illogical plot point and plot gaffe beyond a handful of excuses.

[SalsaDMA]

Corbinus wrote...

Suko Reia wrote...
Please!!!
We want a 4th ending dlc
We dont want an extended ending dlc!!
Because those endings are horrible!!
If you really are listening to us, that is the answer that we want.
A NEW ENDING. Thats all

What's the point of this post? It is over already. The train has left. Or do you expect Bioware to suddenly say
"Hey! Forget what we just said. We are going to make a new ending for you! " Seems unlikely.

Well... they have been shown already to say one thing and do another, so...

[SalsaDMA]

Ryokun1989 wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Ryo, you're trolling so hard it's not even funny.

When I check pc game prices on amazon, ME3 is listed at 17£ and MW3 at 20.91£ (BF3 at 24.95£, so EA can at least celebrate that minor thing)
And no, it's far from the only game ME3 have dropped below.

Demand and supply. Demand is lower than for some other games it seem...

http://www.amazon.co...33737515&sr=8-1   
??

Who the **** is trolling here?

I know it's hard for you to read what I actually wrote, but I'll try to make it simple for you:

=>  £  <=

You know what that means?

Or do I need to "clarify" it for you?

[lady_v23]

hobbsyoyo wrote...

So instead of giving players the ending they want, they just add some new dialogue to the ending everyone hated!

Way to go EA/Bioware! 

The only thing that can make this worse is if the new scenes consist solely of cheesy flashbacks (using recycled cutscenes) of Shep saving the rachni queen, killing Wrex, etc...

Shame.

This.<_<

[lady_v23]

Gethund wrote...

Having waded through 70 pages of this, I think my own thoughts on the disappointment this represents have been eloquently stated already.

So I shall confine myself to stating that I do not appreciate being talked down to like a recalcitrant special needs child. That press release, and the attitude of Bioware and EA in general since the release of ME3 is condescending, patronising and simply rude.

It amazes me that utterances like this come from a department called 'Public Relations'.

Artistic integrity requires a level of art. Oh, and integrity. I am very disappointed in a company whose work I used to adore.

All the best, all of you, whatever your opinion may be on this matter.

Also, this.

[SalsaDMA]

Ryokun1989 wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

You not LIKING the narrative does not make it a BAD narrative.

No, the fact that it is objectively bad does that.

You should check out the 40 minute video that have been linked a couple of times on the forum. It explains pretty well just why the ending is literally broken.

No narrative coherence.

Except that that 'fact' comes out of your collective ****s.

Something tells me you haven't wathced the video

[Ileanos07]

Well ok... But I kinda dont think that it will make the ending better. But lets see....

[Assassin Rex]

Ryokun1989 wrote...

 This has all been explained and addressed so many times. Do you refuse to listen?

I get tired of people who act like they have a higher knowledge of the game's ending and they think they are soo "leet". The ending were bad with very bad plot holes and retcons. End of discussion. There is no simple mind cannot grasp thing here. 
Bad ending is bad!
Thank You

[MnMH]

Ryokun1989 wrote...

You not LIKING the narrative does not make it a BAD narrative.

Mass Effect 3 has a multi-layered, more deep narrative than nearly any other game.

So I suspect YOU might be trolling, but 'the fact of the matter' is NOT that 'BioWare's recent track record is abysmal', because that is YOUR premise, not your argument.


So all right, you didn't want to be left with questions, and you were. Tough luck.

(P.s. I'm not even sure what these questions are; for instance, if it's 'who the reapers are', any explanation there could only be SO LAME)

My opinion has very little do with it. Dramatic and narrative structures aren't things that writers can play fast and loose with. There is a reason that stories follow either 3 or 5 act structures.

The question isn't "who are the Reapers". We know who they are. They're the Catalyst's "solution" to a problem he/she/it hasn't thought all the way through based on some fatalistic idea of inevitability. Its rationale can be torn apart by a grade schooler.

Here are a few questions I have in mind: 

From a general narrative perspective: 
1. What, precisely, is the Crucible? How does it work?
2. How did past cycles' species build it with a "catalyst" in mind without knowing what the catalyst is?
3. How does the Illusive Man show up on the Citadel? 
4. How did he arrive?
5. How is he able to control Anderson? 
6. How did squad mates who were with me on the charge to the conduit make it on to the Normandy, after we are  expliciltly told that no one survived? 
7. If, as the "destroy" option implies the entire ending sequence takes place in Shepard's head, what actually happens during the fourth act? 

Fifth act questions:
1. What happens to the species stranded over Earth?
2. How is interstellar commerce reestablished? 
3. Is it reestablished?
4. How does the galaxy view the krogan now that they've helped defeat the Reapers?
5. Are tensions still high between the krogan and Salarians/Turians? 
6. How are the Quarian and Geth getting along now that they have been reunited? 
7. Did Jack, Samara, Wrex, Jacob, Miranda, Grunt and the others survive? 
8. If so, how, and where are they now? 

You might think that some of the answers to these questions are lame; I might be inclined to agree with you. That's something that Bioware should have thought about before taking the story in the direction that did post ME1. The answers to these questions are necessary to bring the series to a successful close, and if Bioware doesn't like it, then well, they should have planned the enitre series from the start, rather than one episode at a time a la 24.

[Ryokun1989]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Little Mama wrote...

The ending doesn’t need a clarification, it needs a modification!

(And that [you] BioWare are making it free just tells us fans how much *effort* you'll put into it..)

Then send them money.......

I sent Fargo money to make Wasteland2 via kickstarter instead. Seemed a better usage, tbh.

I even poured out the 50$ tag to get an 'old school box version with booklet'.

I have trust in Fargos integrity about rpgs. I lost it with Bioware.

"Integrity" is not giving in to childish demands from entitled gamers. It's choosing your path and sticking to it. 

Mass Effect 3 is not a kickstarter game. And not even a kickstarter game means you get to dictate what the designers should do. You give them money because you believe in their vision; you don't own their vision.

But see. the difference is: I BELIEVE that fargo will do as he tells he will do with the game.

With Bioware we now KNOW they will say one thing and do another rgardless of what they said previously.

That is why they have no integrity.

As for your comment about "childish demands"... Aside that it shows you appearantly can't argue without making flawed ad hominem attacks, you should remember that line next time you get a faulty product and wonders how you should respond. <_<

If it's actually broken as in there are bugs, and it's unplayable, I might try to return it of course.

If I don't like the way the story goes, well, I'll keep that in mind the next time I see something by that maker and based on my previous experiences with them AND what they're showing me of their new work decide on if  iwant to spend my money on their work.


I have argued in a gentle, patient and friendly manner for a long time. But ****s like you keep barging in saying that YOUR OPINION IS THE TRUTH and THE ENDING OBJECTIVELY SUCKS which is patently untrue.
And yes, I have watched your video. I've watched way too many videos that completely missed the point.

[DREADEAD]

Im happy with the fact you have responded with something but i am still not convinced that this will solve the problem there are to many plot holes in the game that a few more cut scenes could fix! The ending makes no sense in anyway at all! Your choices you made in the previous games make no diffrence in mass effect 3 and the choices you make through out mass effect 3 dont make any change. How can you say there are 16 ending that matter when they really dont! And hiding behind this stupid artistic integrity claim is cowardly to say the least. Why cant you just put your hands up and say you made a mistake if you didnt notice there are far more angry fans than there are bioware employees! Which means the majority vote that your ending was a mistake! I've been with the mass effect series since the very first game i've put atleast 400 hours of my life or more into these games i've bought every dlc and loved the game the characters the gameplay the story line EVERYTHING! About these games but the last 10 minutes of mass effect 3 literally craps on all the fans! That have been with the series since the first game! It even craps on all of the bioware employees that put there ideas and time and effort in to the game i really dont understand how no one stood up and said hey this ending may really ****** some people off! No one is knocking the game it self the game was amazing! So much better than the others! The only thing that is crap about it is the ending! i would pay atleast 10£ for another fully complete brand new ending! You guys would actually make profit if you brought out a new ending! It would be very honorable of you if you did make it free but your a company so i dont expect that. Also i do want to say a massive thank you to everyone that put time into the mass effect series! Thank you very much for giving us 3 amazing games! But please please PLEASE! Im begging you to bring out a new ending! Then atleast i will continue to buy your products and so will others i've been a massi've fan of bioware since the original boulders gate games so i no you guys can do better! Please please GIVE US A NEW ENDING!

[MnMH]

crazyrabbits wrote...

Whether it uses a deus ex machina, McGuffin, unexplained questions or plot holes, bad writing is still objectively bad writing.

I haven't seen a single person form a coherent defense for every illogical plot point and plot gaffe beyond a handful of excuses.

QFT.

[Ryokun1989]

And then I'm not even getting into how often I was, then too, called a troll, told I was stupid, not a 'TRUE fan', 'not interested in story', a 'call of duty gamer', and many other things I thought were quite generalizing and unkind.


But anyway, BioWare is treating you guys like idiots because you are.

[Ryokun1989]

crazyrabbits wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

You not LIKING the narrative does not make it a BAD narrative.

No, the fact that it is objectively bad does that.

You should check out the 40 minute video that have been linked a couple of times on the forum. It explains pretty well just why the ending is literally broken.

No narrative coherence.

Except that that 'fact' comes out of your collective ****s.

Whether it uses a deus ex machina, McGuffin, unexplained questions or plot holes, bad writing is still objectively bad writing.

I haven't seen a single person form a coherent defense for every illogical plot point and plot gaffe beyond a handful of excuses.

Well, you can't possibly have looked very deeply.

Besides, it has to defend *every*  "illogical plot point and plot gaffe" that your perceive? I think there are very few works about which noone has ever alleged a weakness at any one point in the plot.

That's just not how it works, bud.

[ShinsFortress]

Ryokun1989 wrote...
I have argued in a gentle, patient and friendly manner for a long time. But ****s like you keep barging in saying that YOUR OPINION IS THE TRUTH and THE ENDING OBJECTIVELY SUCKS which is patently untrue.
And yes, I have watched your video. I've watched way too many videos that completely missed the point.

a) That doesn't mean it's okay for you to start using bad language.
 you basically say that our point of view doesn't make it true and which means that it's not much cop.  ERGO, neither is yours.
c) since more people seem to detest the ending than like it, I'd say that it more right than wrong to say such things.

[Gethund]

Ryokun1989 wrote...

And then I'm not even getting into how often I was, then too, called a troll, told I was stupid, not a 'TRUE fan', 'not interested in story', a 'call of duty gamer', and many other things I thought were quite generalizing and unkind.


But anyway, BioWare is treating you guys like idiots because you are.

Isn't this a breach of the " zero tolerance policy on any form of abuse towards staff, moderators or other Community members"?

Or does that only apply to people who are dissatisfied with the product?

[SalsaDMA]

Ryokun1989 wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Little Mama wrote...

The ending doesn’t need a clarification, it needs a modification!

(And that [you] BioWare are making it free just tells us fans how much *effort* you'll put into it..)

Then send them money.......

I sent Fargo money to make Wasteland2 via kickstarter instead. Seemed a better usage, tbh.

I even poured out the 50$ tag to get an 'old school box version with booklet'.

I have trust in Fargos integrity about rpgs. I lost it with Bioware.

"Integrity" is not giving in to childish demands from entitled gamers. It's choosing your path and sticking to it. 

Mass Effect 3 is not a kickstarter game. And not even a kickstarter game means you get to dictate what the designers should do. You give them money because you believe in their vision; you don't own their vision.

But see. the difference is: I BELIEVE that fargo will do as he tells he will do with the game.

With Bioware we now KNOW they will say one thing and do another rgardless of what they said previously.

That is why they have no integrity.

As for your comment about "childish demands"... Aside that it shows you appearantly can't argue without making flawed ad hominem attacks, you should remember that line next time you get a faulty product and wonders how you should respond. <_<

If it's actually broken as in there are bugs, and it's unplayable, I might try to return it of course.

If I don't like the way the story goes, well, I'll keep that in mind the next time I see something by that maker and based on my previous experiences with them AND what they're showing me of their new work decide on if  iwant to spend my money on their work.


I have argued in a gentle, patient and friendly manner for a long time. But ****s like you keep barging in saying that YOUR OPINION IS THE TRUTH and THE ENDING OBJECTIVELY SUCKS which is patently untrue.
And yes, I have watched your video. I've watched way too many videos that completely missed the point.

Considering that the product does not conform to what we were told it would be, the product is faulty. that's how simple it is.

And ME3 didn't perform as Biowares representives said it would.

And yeah, there are bugs in it too I've heard

Feel free to lecture the world of literature about how the accepted rules in how to do these kind of things is wrong. Just don't expect you will have much success with it, even if you claim you have patent on the truth...

Next thing you'll be telling us what universities teach people about literature is wrong?

[SalsaDMA]

Gethund wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

And then I'm not even getting into how often I was, then too, called a troll, told I was stupid, not a 'TRUE fan', 'not interested in story', a 'call of duty gamer', and many other things I thought were quite generalizing and unkind.


But anyway, BioWare is treating you guys like idiots because you are.

Isn't this a breach of the " zero tolerance policy on any form of abuse towards staff, moderators or other Community members"?

Or does that only apply to people who are dissatisfied with the product?

To be honest, he acts like one of those people we've been told about that are hired to try and troll dissenters. Insults in practically every post he makes. I'm surprised he's still able to post cause I can't imagine nobody reported him and he hasn't got at least a few warnings by now...

[MnMH]

Gethund wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

And then I'm not even getting into how often I was, then too, called a troll, told I was stupid, not a 'TRUE fan', 'not interested in story', a 'call of duty gamer', and many other things I thought were quite generalizing and unkind.


But anyway, BioWare is treating you guys like idiots because you are.

Isn't this a breach of the " zero tolerance policy on any form of abuse towards staff, moderators or other Community members"?

Or does that only apply to people who are dissatisfied with the product?

Good questions.

[Ryokun1989]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Little Mama wrote...

The ending doesn’t need a clarification, it needs a modification!

(And that [you] BioWare are making it free just tells us fans how much *effort* you'll put into it..)

Then send them money.......

I sent Fargo money to make Wasteland2 via kickstarter instead. Seemed a better usage, tbh.

I even poured out the 50$ tag to get an 'old school box version with booklet'.

I have trust in Fargos integrity about rpgs. I lost it with Bioware.

"Integrity" is not giving in to childish demands from entitled gamers. It's choosing your path and sticking to it. 

Mass Effect 3 is not a kickstarter game. And not even a kickstarter game means you get to dictate what the designers should do. You give them money because you believe in their vision; you don't own their vision.

But see. the difference is: I BELIEVE that fargo will do as he tells he will do with the game.

With Bioware we now KNOW they will say one thing and do another rgardless of what they said previously.

That is why they have no integrity.

As for your comment about "childish demands"... Aside that it shows you appearantly can't argue without making flawed ad hominem attacks, you should remember that line next time you get a faulty product and wonders how you should respond. <_<

If it's actually broken as in there are bugs, and it's unplayable, I might try to return it of course.

If I don't like the way the story goes, well, I'll keep that in mind the next time I see something by that maker and based on my previous experiences with them AND what they're showing me of their new work decide on if  iwant to spend my money on their work.


I have argued in a gentle, patient and friendly manner for a long time. But ****s like you keep barging in saying that YOUR OPINION IS THE TRUTH and THE ENDING OBJECTIVELY SUCKS which is patently untrue.
And yes, I have watched your video. I've watched way too many videos that completely missed the point.

Considering that the product does not conform to what we were told it would be, the product is faulty. that's how simple it is.

And ME3 didn't perform as Biowares representives said it would.

And yeah, there are bugs in it too I've heard

Feel free to lecture the world of literature about how the accepted rules in how to do these kind of things is wrong. Just don't expect you will have much success with it, even if you claim you have patent on the truth...

Next thing you'll be telling us what universities teach people about literature is wrong?

You so COMPLETELY KNOW EXACTLY NOTHING ABOUT WRITING AND LITERATURE Please, just please SHUT UP, this is insulting to the rest of our species!

If ANYTHING Mass Effect 3 merits the term 'literature' better than most other games and ESPECIALLY the 'alternate endings' you guys are coming up with.


Yeah, BUGS you can complain about. Personally I complained about the face import bug. THAT'S A VALID COMPLAINT.

[Ryokun1989]

SalsaDMA wrote...

Gethund wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

And then I'm not even getting into how often I was, then too, called a troll, told I was stupid, not a 'TRUE fan', 'not interested in story', a 'call of duty gamer', and many other things I thought were quite generalizing and unkind.


But anyway, BioWare is treating you guys like idiots because you are.

Isn't this a breach of the " zero tolerance policy on any form of abuse towards staff, moderators or other Community members"?

Or does that only apply to people who are dissatisfied with the product?

To be honest, he acts like one of those people we've been told about that are hired to try and troll dissenters. Insults in practically every post he makes. I'm surprised he's still able to post cause I can't imagine nobody reported him and he hasn't got at least a few warnings by now...

Haha, yeah right. Keep dreaming. If only I was paid, that'd be lovely.

Do you really think EA or Bioware would pay someone to insult you xD

That's funny, guy.



You don't even realize how insulting many of you are being, do you?

Modifié par Ryokun1989, 06 avril 2012 - 07:11 .

[hobbsyoyo]

Ryokun1989,

You're so upset I can't tell if you are trolling or have been hardcore trolled yourself.
It's ok...deep breaths