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[Rajii017]

I guess summer will tell if I buy another Bioware product. I won't know for certain until I try this DLC, but considering that it blatantly ignores 90% of the fan base. I have to wonder if it's even relevant. I would rather have paid for a new ending, than been given an "explanation" for free.

The current ending is a joke, and jokes aren't funny when you have to explain them.

[Madeline Lightning]

MnMH wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

You not LIKING the narrative does not make it a BAD narrative.

Mass Effect 3 has a multi-layered, more deep narrative than nearly any other game.

So I suspect YOU might be trolling, but 'the fact of the matter' is NOT that 'BioWare's recent track record is abysmal', because that is YOUR premise, not your argument.


So all right, you didn't want to be left with questions, and you were. Tough luck.

(P.s. I'm not even sure what these questions are; for instance, if it's 'who the reapers are', any explanation there could only be SO LAME)

My opinion has very little do with it. Dramatic and narrative structures aren't things that writers can play fast and loose with. There is a reason that stories follow either 3 or 5 act structures.

The question isn't "who are the Reapers". We know who they are. They're the Catalyst's "solution" to a problem he/she/it hasn't thought all the way through based on some fatalistic idea of inevitability. Its rationale can be torn apart by a grade schooler.

Here are a few questions I have in mind: 

From a general narrative perspective: 
1. What, precisely, is the Crucible? How does it work?
2. How did past cycles' species build it with a "catalyst" in mind without knowing what the catalyst is?
3. How does the Illusive Man show up on the Citadel? 
4. How did he arrive?
5. How is he able to control Anderson? 
6. How did squad mates who were with me on the charge to the conduit make it on to the Normandy, after we are  expliciltly told that no one survived? 
7. If, as the "destroy" option implies the entire ending sequence takes place in Shepard's head, what actually happens during the fourth act? 

Fifth act questions:
1. What happens to the species stranded over Earth?
2. How is interstellar commerce reestablished? 
3. Is it reestablished?
4. How does the galaxy view the krogan now that they've helped defeat the Reapers?
5. Are tensions still high between the krogan and Salarians/Turians? 
6. How are the Quarian and Geth getting along now that they have been reunited? 
7. Did Jack, Samara, Wrex, Jacob, Miranda, Grunt and the others survive? 
8. If so, how, and where are they now? 

You might think that some of the answers to these questions are lame; I might be inclined to agree with you. That's something that Bioware should have thought about before taking the story in the direction that did post ME1. The answers to these questions are necessary to bring the series to a successful close, and if Bioware doesn't like it, then well, they should have planned the enitre series from the start, rather than one episode at a time a la 24.

and what did Illusive Man on Thessia mean by, "I've been fighting the Reapers, LONGER than you can imagine!"   That scene seemed to imply that he meant more than a decade or two longer than Shepard, like a long time. Sole survivour of a previous invasion, maybe some synthetic himself. I didn't read the novels, so no idea.

Modifié par Madeline Lightning, 06 avril 2012 - 07:12 .

[Ryokun1989]

hobbsyoyo wrote...

Ryokun1989,

You're so upset I can't tell if you are trolling or have been hardcore trolled yourself.
It's ok...deep breaths

You're right.. SalsaDMA is just so infuriatingly stupid. Probably doing it on purpose.

[ParagonX30]

Mass Effect had the potential to become one of the greatest series ever, but instead it got killed by bad decisions and a lack of vision by the developers. Whatever they do with the ending from now on doesn't matter anymore. They f*cked up. But that's what you get when you're trying to get in the Call of Duty crowd with the Multiplayer. Taking away resources and time for the IMPORTANT things.

I can't believe they didn't see this coming. They obviously rushed the ending and hoped no one would really notice and care. And instead they created the biggest sh*tstorm ever. The Mass Effect series will forever be overshadowed by it's extremely bad ending. It's qualities, which are there, will be forgotten over time. But the sh*tty ending will stay as the strongest memory. I don't think that was their goal at all.

[Ross42899]

MnMH wrote...


Here are a few questions I have in mind: 

From a general narrative perspective: 
1. What, precisely, is the Crucible? How does it work?
2. How did past cycles' species build it with a "catalyst" in mind without knowing what the catalyst is?
3. How does the Illusive Man show up on the Citadel? 
4. How did he arrive?
5. How is he able to control Anderson? 
6. How did squad mates who were with me on the charge to the conduit make it on to the Normandy, after we are  expliciltly told that no one survived? 
7. If, as the "destroy" option implies the entire ending sequence takes place in Shepard's head, what actually happens during the fourth act? 

Fifth act questions:
1. What happens to the species stranded over Earth?
2. How is interstellar commerce reestablished? 
3. Is it reestablished?
4. How does the galaxy view the krogan now that they've helped defeat the Reapers?
5. Are tensions still high between the krogan and Salarians/Turians? 
6. How are the Quarian and Geth getting along now that they have been reunited? 
7. Did Jack, Samara, Wrex, Jacob, Miranda, Grunt and the others survive? 
8. If so, how, and where are they now? 

You might think that some of the answers to these questions are lame; I might be inclined to agree with you. That's something that Bioware should have thought about before taking the story in the direction that did post ME1. The answers to these questions are necessary to bring the series to a successful close, and if Bioware doesn't like it, then well, they should have planned the enitre series from the start, rather than one episode at a time a la 24.

Add: "Did some people escape from the Citadel?", and those are basically the questions I hope Bioware will anwer in the "Extended Cut" DLC.

[Ithayiga]

Ryokun1989 wrote...
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A) I have argued in a gentle, patient and friendly manner for a long time.

But ****s like you keep barging in saying that YOUR OPINION IS THE TRUTH and THE ENDING OBJECTIVELY SUCKS which is patently untrue.

I have no problem with you. You want to defend the game and the ending and say that you understand, it, that's fine.

But A) From what I have seen, you have not acted in a gentle, patient, or friendly manner at all.

I still don't have a problem with this. You are passionate about your viewpoint. I can understand that. It's difficult in this day and age to truly get your point across. However...

See the bold part? What have you been doing this whole time? Barging in here, saying your opinion is the truth. By saying that when people say 'THE ENDING OBJECTIVELY SUCKS' is patently untrue...are you not saying that your opinion is the truth? 

Truth is what you make of it. While you believe in your viewpoint, others do not.

Express your viewpoint as much as you want. This I don't have a problem with. You can continue to insult people who want the ending changed, and want an explanation from Bioware.

Those people who want the change from Bioware and the ending, can continue to insult you and those other fans who feel they 'get' the ending, even though I haven't seen that happen.

[nikola8]

The facts are that we haven't even seen what this extended cut is. Anyone who bashes it bashes it out of speculation but not fact.

The fact that they aren't rewriting the endings shows that there aren't plot holes in the ending- there are perceived plot holes for sure, but not real ones. Bioware, I'm sure, is well aware of all of the complaints with the ending. If there had been real plot holes, they would have been forced to redo the endings. The fact that they are simply expanding the endings shows that the endings are sound but that there is some lacking information. Once these perceived plot holes are plugged, the ending cannot be considered "objectively bad". Sure some may not like it still, but those will be rooted in opinion, not objective fact.

[ParagonX30]

nikola8 wrote...

The facts are that we haven't even seen what this extended cut is. Anyone who bashes it bashes it out of speculation but not fact.

The fact that they aren't rewriting the endings shows that there aren't plot holes in the ending- there are perceived plot holes for sure, but not real ones. Bioware, I'm sure, is well aware of all of the complaints with the ending. If there had been real plot holes, they would have been forced to redo the endings. The fact that they are simply expanding the endings shows that the endings are sound but that there is some lacking information. Once these perceived plot holes are plugged, the ending cannot be considered "objectively bad". Sure some may not like it still, but those will be rooted in opinion, not objective fact.

What are you talking about? That whole ending is a giant plot hole not in touch with any of the 99% of the whole trilogy. Just accept it: The ending they created SUCKS. It's just a really really bad ending. The internet, the real fans and even mass media for f*ck sake have spoken: BioWare screwed up and made a bad decision. It happens. It happened before. It will happen again.

The consequences are: Instead of a timeless classic, they now have a trilogy with great qualities, which will always be overshadowed by it's absolutely bad ending. And in time ME will be forgotten.

[Assassin Rex]

Corbinus wrote...

1) There is difference here. It is possible that his "created will always rebel agains the creators" can be applied only to syntetics rebelling agains organic. If Catalyst is synthetic, then it is syntetics creating another syntetics. May be not covered by the rule. Remember Javic "Syntetics doesn't see the purpose of organic life" Catalyst HAS a purpose - stop the destruction of all organic.

Soveriegn says they weren't created. They "Evolved" to the pinacle of evolution. 

Corbinus wrote... 

2) Geth a) Didn't have a true intelligence without their Network. Can be lucky exception from the rule

  

If you allowed Legion upload the reaper code then you gave them true intelligence and they helped fight the Reapers at the end. They chose to help the Quarians rebuild. God-Child deosn't take that into account.
 

Corbinus wrote... 

It is possible that blowing Relays with Crucible energy is not the same that doing it with a big rock.

  

People seem to forget the explosions AFFECTED the normandy. The Normandy was hit with space magic and it's engines completely failed and it was forced to crash land. Think of the millions and zillions of ships using 
FTL in the ME universe at that very moment.

Corbinus wrote... 

Geth didn't want to go to war. They wanted to built Dyson's sphere and live inside. That's why Quarians were able to fight them. EDI however started as AI from Luna which wasn't friendly at all. It became so after Cerberus got it.

EDI states she was confused when she woke up. But her very personality changed the moment you aquired her and she has reaper code. You CAN turn her almost human like which again God-child ignores.

Corbinus wrote... 

Wrong. Is is never stated to do such things. It is stated to destroy syntetic lifeforms only.

If I am correct EDI is now the normandy right. EVA is just like a remote controlled drone but the Normandy is now EDI. She's like a Reaper. She has reaper code. So why isn't the normandy destroyed the way the reapers are.

My own problems

1.) In ME1 why does Starchild need Saren? Can't it just open the arms itslef and let reapers in?

2.) The entire looking for the Condiut in ME1 just became a joke. What did the Protheans achieve then? 

3.) The Crucible. How can you build a weapon and hope it fires when you have no idea what it deos. Take a gun to the 11th century and give then schematics to build it but don't tell them what it's for. Yes they might EVENTUALLY figure out something geos into the bullet chamber but I won't be suprised if they used hay or even used it as a water fountain.

4.) Blowing up the relays means the entire Galaxy collapses. People are stuck in planets. Colonies with no supplies,, ships that just came out of Relay Jumps, Ships still in Relay Jumps. The entire galaxy becomes a post nuclear wasteland. 

5. Stargazer and child. If they are from the normandy then FAIL. They normandy doesn;t have enough crew to support a full blow generation. I feel sorry for the females who are mostly human apart from Tali and Liara. Who are really gona have it hard. 

I could go on about Anderson saying we got out at different places but there is ONLY way to the control room. Why all smart beings like the reapers would leave a short cut to the MAIN control room for the crucible visible like that, How is TIM controlling both Shepard and Anderson? Too manty but I'm tired.

Modifié par Assassin Rex, 06 avril 2012 - 07:25 .

[Gethund]

Ryokun1989 wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Little Mama wrote...

The ending doesn’t need a clarification, it needs a modification!

(And that [you] BioWare are making it free just tells us fans how much *effort* you'll put into it..)

Then send them money.......

I sent Fargo money to make Wasteland2 via kickstarter instead. Seemed a better usage, tbh.

I even poured out the 50$ tag to get an 'old school box version with booklet'.

I have trust in Fargos integrity about rpgs. I lost it with Bioware.

"Integrity" is not giving in to childish demands from entitled gamers. It's choosing your path and sticking to it. 

Mass Effect 3 is not a kickstarter game. And not even a kickstarter game means you get to dictate what the designers should do. You give them money because you believe in their vision; you don't own their vision.

But see. the difference is: I BELIEVE that fargo will do as he tells he will do with the game.

With Bioware we now KNOW they will say one thing and do another rgardless of what they said previously.

That is why they have no integrity.

As for your comment about "childish demands"... Aside that it shows you appearantly can't argue without making flawed ad hominem attacks, you should remember that line next time you get a faulty product and wonders how you should respond. <_<

If it's actually broken as in there are bugs, and it's unplayable, I might try to return it of course.

If I don't like the way the story goes, well, I'll keep that in mind the next time I see something by that maker and based on my previous experiences with them AND what they're showing me of their new work decide on if  iwant to spend my money on their work.


I have argued in a gentle, patient and friendly manner for a long time. But ****s like you keep barging in saying that YOUR OPINION IS THE TRUTH and THE ENDING OBJECTIVELY SUCKS which is patently untrue.
And yes, I have watched your video. I've watched way too many videos that completely missed the point.

Considering that the product does not conform to what we were told it would be, the product is faulty. that's how simple it is.

And ME3 didn't perform as Biowares representives said it would.

And yeah, there are bugs in it too I've heard

Feel free to lecture the world of literature about how the accepted rules in how to do these kind of things is wrong. Just don't expect you will have much success with it, even if you claim you have patent on the truth...

Next thing you'll be telling us what universities teach people about literature is wrong?

You so COMPLETELY KNOW EXACTLY NOTHING ABOUT WRITING AND LITERATURE Please, just please SHUT UP, this is insulting to the rest of our species!

If ANYTHING Mass Effect 3 merits the term 'literature' better than most other games and ESPECIALLY the 'alternate endings' you guys are coming up with.


Yeah, BUGS you can complain about. Personally I complained about the face import bug. THAT'S A VALID COMPLAINT.

With the greatest respect, and acknowledging that your comment was not directed at me personally, I have to beg to differ. I have a double honours degree in English language and literature. I studied literary art for many years. I know a plot hole when I see one, and I know bad writing when I see it.

Not everyone who buys this game is the stereotypical leet script kiddie. Some of us loved the first two games because they WERE well written (comparitively).

You can protest that this is great literature all you like, my mileage differs.

[Ryokun1989]

Ithayiga wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...
[
A) I have argued in a gentle, patient and friendly manner for a long time.

But ****s like you keep barging in saying that YOUR OPINION IS THE TRUTH and THE ENDING OBJECTIVELY SUCKS which is patently untrue.

I have no problem with you. You want to defend the game and the ending and say that you understand, it, that's fine.

But A) From what I have seen, you have not acted in a gentle, patient, or friendly manner at all.

I still don't have a problem with this. You are passionate about your viewpoint. I can understand that. It's difficult in this day and age to truly get your point across. However...

See the bold part? What have you been doing this whole time? Barging in here, saying your opinion is the truth. By saying that when people say 'THE ENDING OBJECTIVELY SUCKS' is patently untrue...are you not saying that your opinion is the truth? 

Truth is what you make of it. While you believe in your viewpoint, others do not.

Express your viewpoint as much as you want. This I don't have a problem with. You can continue to insult people who want the ending changed, and want an explanation from Bioware.

Those people who want the change from Bioware and the ending, can continue to insult you and those other fans who feel they 'get' the ending, even though I haven't seen that happen.

No, I haven't been that friendly in this thread. In fact I'm being pretty beligerent. This stems from frustration with my earlier approach, which was a lot more friendly.

Well, you see; you can make the case perfectly fine that you don't LIKE the ending. That's great. I'll probably still think you didn't understand what they were trying to do, but in fact I've met a few people who *did* understand, but actually didn't like making that kind of decision. These people did however admit that it's a craftily created story.

The problem is when people keep throwing 'fact' around. Like the plotholes. They're *perceived*, they're not fact.
I can argue perfectly well WHY the ending is very clever and awesome. That means the ending at least isn't OBJECTIVELY bad. Subjectively, sure, that's a matter of opinion.

If it's 'objectively bad', then you're saying I really like something which does not merit being liked. You're saying I have 'bad taste' or logic or something that. That's insulting to me.

[GnusmasTHX]

Yay free things.

Until you realize it's like ordering a hotdog without the bun and the guy comes back months later and gives you the bun "for free".

[mannyclouds]

[quote]Ryokun1989 wrote...

[quote]SalsaDMA wrote...

[quote]Ryokun1989 wrote...

You not LIKING the narrative does not make it a BAD narrative.
[/quote]

No, the fact that it is objectively bad does that.

You should check out the 40 minute video that have been linked a couple of times on the forum. It explains pretty well just why the ending is literally broken.

No narrative coherence.

[/quote]

Except that that 'fact' comes out of your collective ****s. 

Since you seem to understand the ending of the trilogy so well and have filled in the plot hole why dont you enlighten us..
How did the last protheons from ilos manage to get back onto the citaldel and tinker around with the keepeers base  functions without the ai aparently living on the citadel  nnoticing them and adjusting  for their actions? How did tali ta?

[METALPUNKS]

I have question that is bugging me. I want to ask an opinion or does any actually know the answer to this. Is the new dlc ending going to be different, not a different ending I know it's just an extended cut but I mean different as in will there be all kinds of different extended cuts? For expample will it have different outcomes like depending on how you played would your whole crew be on that island or would most be dead? Stuff like that. Or will it be the exact same for everyone, no matter how you played? I'm sure this info isn't out yet but what's your opinion. Oh and I also wonder will any of it be playable or will it be a 15 movie added to the end?

[hobbsyoyo]

nokola8,

I agree that people shouldn't jump to conclusions. It's just that alot of people have been let down by the ending of ME3, Bioware's handling of the resulting uproar and with the tone of today's announcement. Alot of people wanted a new ending, not an 'extended cut' of the old one, and because of that and the reasons above they already hate the extended cut before it's released.

Honestly the tone of today's announcement didn't help. It was almost...'We stand behind what everyone hates....but we'll throw you a small bone to pick on so we can get back to developing our other paid DLC'.

IMHO they are just going to 'expand' on things with a sequence of terrible flashbacks and leave most/all of the plot holes hanging; thereby taking the easiest way out while preserving their 'artistic vision'. I know you don't think there are lot holes, but the majority of people think there are.

[Madeline Lightning]

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Ithayiga wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...
[
A) I have argued in a gentle, patient and friendly manner for a long time.

But ****s like you keep barging in saying that YOUR OPINION IS THE TRUTH and THE ENDING OBJECTIVELY SUCKS which is patently untrue.

I have no problem with you. You want to defend the game and the ending and say that you understand, it, that's fine.

But A) From what I have seen, you have not acted in a gentle, patient, or friendly manner at all.

I still don't have a problem with this. You are passionate about your viewpoint. I can understand that. It's difficult in this day and age to truly get your point across. However...

See the bold part? What have you been doing this whole time? Barging in here, saying your opinion is the truth. By saying that when people say 'THE ENDING OBJECTIVELY SUCKS' is patently untrue...are you not saying that your opinion is the truth? 

Truth is what you make of it. While you believe in your viewpoint, others do not.

Express your viewpoint as much as you want. This I don't have a problem with. You can continue to insult people who want the ending changed, and want an explanation from Bioware.

Those people who want the change from Bioware and the ending, can continue to insult you and those other fans who feel they 'get' the ending, even though I haven't seen that happen.

No, I haven't been that friendly in this thread. In fact I'm being pretty beligerent. This stems from frustration with my earlier approach, which was a lot more friendly.

Well, you see; you can make the case perfectly fine that you don't LIKE the ending. That's great. I'll probably still think you didn't understand what they were trying to do, but in fact I've met a few people who *did* understand, but actually didn't like making that kind of decision. These people did however admit that it's a craftily created story.

The problem is when people keep throwing 'fact' around. Like the plotholes. They're *perceived*, they're not fact.
I can argue perfectly well WHY the ending is very clever and awesome. That means the ending at least isn't OBJECTIVELY bad. Subjectively, sure, that's a matter of opinion.

If it's 'objectively bad', then you're saying I really like something which does not merit being liked. You're saying I have 'bad taste' or logic or something that. That's insulting to me.

 i never actually saw you explain why it is "clever and awesome", you just say it. I don't think you know 1989, but then again I don't follow your posts, other than one where everything you said about the ending was percieved too.  People like you make me want to break forum rules, but I won't, since you're only in the minority on these forums... well every forum talking about ME3's ending.

[nikola8]

ParagonX30 wrote...

nikola8 wrote...

The facts are that we haven't even seen what this extended cut is. Anyone who bashes it bashes it out of speculation but not fact.

The fact that they aren't rewriting the endings shows that there aren't plot holes in the ending- there are perceived plot holes for sure, but not real ones. Bioware, I'm sure, is well aware of all of the complaints with the ending. If there had been real plot holes, they would have been forced to redo the endings. The fact that they are simply expanding the endings shows that the endings are sound but that there is some lacking information. Once these perceived plot holes are plugged, the ending cannot be considered "objectively bad". Sure some may not like it still, but those will be rooted in opinion, not objective fact.

What are you talking about? That whole ending is a giant plot hole not in touch with any of the 99% of the whole trilogy. Just accept it: The ending they created SUCKS. It's just a really really bad ending. The internet, the real fans and even mass media for f*ck sake have spoken: BioWare screwed up and made a bad decision. It happens. It happened before. It will happen again.

The consequences are: Instead of a timeless classic, they now have a trilogy with great qualities, which will always be overshadowed by it's absolutely bad ending. And in time ME will be forgotten.

I won't accept that the ending is "bad".  I accept that Bioware is a great company and that the 'Extended Cut' will answer the questions that the game left.  I don't know how they will do it, but I trust that they will plug the plot holes- that is the whole point of releasing this DLC.  When it does come out, I anticipate that people will no longer be able to say "look at this and this plot hole" because it won't be there anymore.

If I had the mindset that the ending could not be clarified, then nothing Bioware does short of a rewrite would change that- in other words I would be hating the extended cut before it was even released.  I see that a lot of people are in that boat.  But I am optimistic that Bioware will do what they promised in this DLC and release something that explains everything, and when they do, there won't be any plot holes.

But when I read post after post about how awful the extended cut is going to be, I simply ask myself what insider information they have because I don't know how it is going to be- no one does except the Bioware devs.  And because no one knows, it is quite presumptuous to judge it before trying it.  

[Madeline Lightning]

nikola8 wrote...

ParagonX30 wrote...

nikola8 wrote...

The facts are that we haven't even seen what this extended cut is. Anyone who bashes it bashes it out of speculation but not fact.

The fact that they aren't rewriting the endings shows that there aren't plot holes in the ending- there are perceived plot holes for sure, but not real ones. Bioware, I'm sure, is well aware of all of the complaints with the ending. If there had been real plot holes, they would have been forced to redo the endings. The fact that they are simply expanding the endings shows that the endings are sound but that there is some lacking information. Once these perceived plot holes are plugged, the ending cannot be considered "objectively bad". Sure some may not like it still, but those will be rooted in opinion, not objective fact.

What are you talking about? That whole ending is a giant plot hole not in touch with any of the 99% of the whole trilogy. Just accept it: The ending they created SUCKS. It's just a really really bad ending. The internet, the real fans and even mass media for f*ck sake have spoken: BioWare screwed up and made a bad decision. It happens. It happened before. It will happen again.

The consequences are: Instead of a timeless classic, they now have a trilogy with great qualities, which will always be overshadowed by it's absolutely bad ending. And in time ME will be forgotten.

I won't accept that the ending is "bad".  I accept that Bioware is a great company and that the 'Extended Cut' will answer the questions that the game left.  I don't know how they will do it, but I trust that they will plug the plot holes- that is the whole point of releasing this DLC.  When it does come out, I anticipate that people will no longer be able to say "look at this and this plot hole" because it won't be there anymore.

If I had the mindset that the ending could not be clarified, then nothing Bioware does short of a rewrite would change that- in other words I would be hating the extended cut before it was even released.  I see that a lot of people are in that boat.  But I am optimistic that Bioware will do what they promised in this DLC and release something that explains everything, and when they do, there won't be any plot holes.

But when I read post after post about how awful the extended cut is going to be, I simply ask myself what insider information they have because I don't know how it is going to be- no one does except the Bioware devs.  And because no one knows, it is quite presumptuous to judge it before trying it.  

If that kid is in the ending they are going to explain, it's bad still. Unless we can go Anakin on him.

[hobbsyoyo]

METALPUNKS wrote...

I have question that is bugging me. I want to ask an opinion or does any actually know the answer to this. Is the new dlc ending going to be different, not a different ending I know it's just an extended cut but I mean different as in will there be all kinds of different extended cuts? For expample will it have different outcomes like depending on how you played would your whole crew be on that island or would most be dead? Stuff like that. Or will it be the exact same for everyone, no matter how you played? I'm sure this info isn't out yet but what's your opinion. Oh and I also wonder will any of it be playable or will it be a 15 movie added to the end?

From the way the announement reads (to me), they are not going to alter how the ending plays out.  They are just going to drop in some new dialogue/scenes that help explain things.  That's because the original ending was so 'craftily written' that it just flew over everyone's head and no one understood or even like it.

So basically after you get the DLC and get to the end, the same sequence of events are going to happen, (warp to citadel, meet GodChild, pick your favorite color) but this time they are going to add some lines to explain wtf is going on.  But that's just what I took away from the announcement.

[Ryokun1989]

Gethund wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Little Mama wrote...

The ending doesn’t need a clarification, it needs a modification!

(And that [you] BioWare are making it free just tells us fans how much *effort* you'll put into it..)

Then send them money.......

I sent Fargo money to make Wasteland2 via kickstarter instead. Seemed a better usage, tbh.

I even poured out the 50$ tag to get an 'old school box version with booklet'.

I have trust in Fargos integrity about rpgs. I lost it with Bioware.

"Integrity" is not giving in to childish demands from entitled gamers. It's choosing your path and sticking to it. 

Mass Effect 3 is not a kickstarter game. And not even a kickstarter game means you get to dictate what the designers should do. You give them money because you believe in their vision; you don't own their vision.

But see. the difference is: I BELIEVE that fargo will do as he tells he will do with the game.

With Bioware we now KNOW they will say one thing and do another rgardless of what they said previously.

That is why they have no integrity.

As for your comment about "childish demands"... Aside that it shows you appearantly can't argue without making flawed ad hominem attacks, you should remember that line next time you get a faulty product and wonders how you should respond. <_<

If it's actually broken as in there are bugs, and it's unplayable, I might try to return it of course.

If I don't like the way the story goes, well, I'll keep that in mind the next time I see something by that maker and based on my previous experiences with them AND what they're showing me of their new work decide on if  iwant to spend my money on their work.


I have argued in a gentle, patient and friendly manner for a long time. But ****s like you keep barging in saying that YOUR OPINION IS THE TRUTH and THE ENDING OBJECTIVELY SUCKS which is patently untrue.
And yes, I have watched your video. I've watched way too many videos that completely missed the point.

Considering that the product does not conform to what we were told it would be, the product is faulty. that's how simple it is.

And ME3 didn't perform as Biowares representives said it would.

And yeah, there are bugs in it too I've heard

Feel free to lecture the world of literature about how the accepted rules in how to do these kind of things is wrong. Just don't expect you will have much success with it, even if you claim you have patent on the truth...

Next thing you'll be telling us what universities teach people about literature is wrong?

You so COMPLETELY KNOW EXACTLY NOTHING ABOUT WRITING AND LITERATURE Please, just please SHUT UP, this is insulting to the rest of our species!

If ANYTHING Mass Effect 3 merits the term 'literature' better than most other games and ESPECIALLY the 'alternate endings' you guys are coming up with.


Yeah, BUGS you can complain about. Personally I complained about the face import bug. THAT'S A VALID COMPLAINT.

With the greatest respect, and acknowledging that your comment was not directed at me personally, I have to beg to differ. I have a double honours degree in English language and literature. I studied literary art for many years. I know a plot hole when I see one, and I know bad writing when I see it.

Not everyone who buys this game is the stereotypical leet script kiddie. Some of us loved the first two games because they WERE well written (comparitively).

You can protest that this is great literature all you like, my mileage differs.

Sooo did you try doing a literary analysis rather then just going PLOTHOLES!!OMG!
Did you think about *why* some things appear not as they seem? Did you not notice any of the rather blatant symbolism near the end?

It's not 'literature' as it's a video game, but it's a pretty damn intelligent one for that.

I can explain to you perfectly well why I think the ending is pretty great, but I have done so quite often already and don't really feel like it as it'll just get buried in this thread and nearly everyone will ignore it.


At least you'll have to agree we're not talking *objectively* bad here.

[Gethund]

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Gethund wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Little Mama wrote...

The ending doesn’t need a clarification, it needs a modification!

(And that [you] BioWare are making it free just tells us fans how much *effort* you'll put into it..)

Then send them money.......

I sent Fargo money to make Wasteland2 via kickstarter instead. Seemed a better usage, tbh.

I even poured out the 50$ tag to get an 'old school box version with booklet'.

I have trust in Fargos integrity about rpgs. I lost it with Bioware.

"Integrity" is not giving in to childish demands from entitled gamers. It's choosing your path and sticking to it. 

Mass Effect 3 is not a kickstarter game. And not even a kickstarter game means you get to dictate what the designers should do. You give them money because you believe in their vision; you don't own their vision.

But see. the difference is: I BELIEVE that fargo will do as he tells he will do with the game.

With Bioware we now KNOW they will say one thing and do another rgardless of what they said previously.

That is why they have no integrity.

As for your comment about "childish demands"... Aside that it shows you appearantly can't argue without making flawed ad hominem attacks, you should remember that line next time you get a faulty product and wonders how you should respond. <_<

If it's actually broken as in there are bugs, and it's unplayable, I might try to return it of course.

If I don't like the way the story goes, well, I'll keep that in mind the next time I see something by that maker and based on my previous experiences with them AND what they're showing me of their new work decide on if  iwant to spend my money on their work.


I have argued in a gentle, patient and friendly manner for a long time. But ****s like you keep barging in saying that YOUR OPINION IS THE TRUTH and THE ENDING OBJECTIVELY SUCKS which is patently untrue.
And yes, I have watched your video. I've watched way too many videos that completely missed the point.

Considering that the product does not conform to what we were told it would be, the product is faulty. that's how simple it is.

And ME3 didn't perform as Biowares representives said it would.

And yeah, there are bugs in it too I've heard

Feel free to lecture the world of literature about how the accepted rules in how to do these kind of things is wrong. Just don't expect you will have much success with it, even if you claim you have patent on the truth...

Next thing you'll be telling us what universities teach people about literature is wrong?

You so COMPLETELY KNOW EXACTLY NOTHING ABOUT WRITING AND LITERATURE Please, just please SHUT UP, this is insulting to the rest of our species!

If ANYTHING Mass Effect 3 merits the term 'literature' better than most other games and ESPECIALLY the 'alternate endings' you guys are coming up with.


Yeah, BUGS you can complain about. Personally I complained about the face import bug. THAT'S A VALID COMPLAINT.

With the greatest respect, and acknowledging that your comment was not directed at me personally, I have to beg to differ. I have a double honours degree in English language and literature. I studied literary art for many years. I know a plot hole when I see one, and I know bad writing when I see it.

Not everyone who buys this game is the stereotypical leet script kiddie. Some of us loved the first two games because they WERE well written (comparitively).

You can protest that this is great literature all you like, my mileage differs.

Sooo did you try doing a literary analysis rather then just going PLOTHOLES!!OMG!
Did you think about *why* some things appear not as they seem? Did you not notice any of the rather blatant symbolism near the end?

It's not 'literature' as it's a video game, but it's a pretty damn intelligent one for that.

I can explain to you perfectly well why I think the ending is pretty great, but I have done so quite often already and don't really feel like it as it'll just get buried in this thread and nearly everyone will ignore it.


At least you'll have to agree we're not talking *objectively* bad here.

You can? Excellent! I think we'd all love to see this :happy:

[Orkney11]

Well, I hope Beoware is prepared to live a long proud life of Vincent Van Gog, who has sold, if I recall correctly, only one painting in his entire life. Because, this is what will happen to them for all the "we're listening, but not giving a damn" attetude.

I'm through with your products, Bioware.

Modifié par Orkney11, 06 avril 2012 - 07:41 .

[reeot]

Ryokun1989 wrote...

I already have about fifteen times.

All right, once more:

Organic life eventually develops technology that becomes intelligent. Artificial Intelligence. If this artificial intelligence becomes sufficiently advanced, it will enter into an infinite loop which makes it unstoppable. If this happens (it hasn't happened yet, at least in our 'cycle') organic life will be snuffed out. 
To prevent it from happening technology must be stopped from advancing beyond a certain level. They can't just destroy robots, because then the organics still have the technology to make new ones, that won't help.
The solution is to harvest advanced organic life every so many tens of thousands of years and turn them into reapers.
This gives less developed organic life a chance to grow, like the pruning of a garden, and the cycle continues.

So a the only solution of a billion years old synthetic race to stop this is: killing all organic life.
Sending a pulse every year through the mass relay network to destroy all A.I.'s is
probably not a good as their master plan.

I mean... You are free to believe in whatever you want...
But this changes nothing about the fact that the ending is poorly written.

The end is out of the context of the previous Mass Effect games.
It makes no sense compared to them. Drew Karpyshyns ending however, does.

But before you attack me for being with the retakers... read this. It's a very good read.

Modifié par reeot, 06 avril 2012 - 07:42 .

[Ryokun1989]

*trim your trees, not even readable so deleted*

Modifié par Selene Moonsong, 06 avril 2012 - 09:59 .

[Gethund]

*trim your trees, not even readable so deleted*

Modifié par Selene Moonsong, 06 avril 2012 - 10:00 .