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[hobbsyoyo]

METALPUNKS wrote...

hobbsyoyo wrote...

METALPUNKS wrote...
Ihave question that is bugging me. I want to ask an opinion or does any actually know the answer to this. Is the new dlc ending going to be different, not a different ending I know it's just an extended cut but I mean different as in will there be all kinds of different extended cuts? For expample will it have different outcomes like depending on how you played would your whole crew be on that island or would most be dead? Stuff like that. Or will it be the exact same for everyone, no matter how you played? I'm sure this info isn't out yet but what's your opinion. Oh and I also wonder will any of it be playable or will it be a 15 movie added to the end?

From the way the announement reads (to me), they are not going to alter how the ending plays out.  They are just going to drop in some new dialogue/scenes that help explain things.  That's because the original ending was so 'craftily written' that it just flew over everyone's head and no one understood or even like it.

So basically after you get the DLC and get to the end, the same sequence of events are going to happen, (warp to citadel, meet GodChild, pick your favorite color) but this time they are going to add some lines to explain wtf is going on.  But that's just what I took away from the announcement.

I get that what in asking are the extended cuts going to play out differently?

No I said IMO they are going to play out the exact same....Nothing (not the gameplay, not the sequence of events, not the outcome) will change.  They are just going to add in a few lines and maybe a cut scene to explain their ending.

[Kargsure]

Fenderbaum wrote...

Or...

You're too stupid to understand our art, so we shall spell it out for you.

Since they are so concerned about their artistic integrity - why didn't they tell whomever was writing the cheques (presumably EA) to bugger off and let them take more time to do it the way they want it - a large part of the later stages of the game feel rushed (the ending incredibly so)....

[reeot]

For those who want to follow the Mass Effect Panel at PAX:
Press Pause Radio Liveblog - Bioware and Mass Effect @ PAX

[Harshfact]

*trim your trees, not even readable so deleted*

Modifié par Selene Moonsong, 06 avril 2012 - 10:01 .

[hobbsyoyo]

Quick while we have the moderator on the line!

Everyone tell him we want a new ending, not an extended old one!!!!

[SalsaDMA]

reeot wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

I already have about fifteen times.

All right, once more:

Organic life eventually develops technology that becomes intelligent. Artificial Intelligence. If this artificial intelligence becomes sufficiently advanced, it will enter into an infinite loop which makes it unstoppable. If this happens (it hasn't happened yet, at least in our 'cycle') organic life will be snuffed out. 
To prevent it from happening technology must be stopped from advancing beyond a certain level. They can't just destroy robots, because then the organics still have the technology to make new ones, that won't help.
The solution is to harvest advanced organic life every so many tens of thousands of years and turn them into reapers.
This gives less developed organic life a chance to grow, like the pruning of a garden, and the cycle continues.

So a the only solution of a billion years old synthetic race to stop this is: killing all organic life.
Sending a pulse every year through the mass relay network to destroy all A.I.'s is
probably not a good as their master plan.

I mean... You are free to believe in whatever you want...
But this changes nothing about the fact that the ending is poorly written.

The end is out of the context of the previous Mass Effect games.
It makes no sense compared to them. Drew Karpyshyns ending however, does.

But before you attack me for being with the retakers... read this. It's a very good read.

that link is a thing of beauty.

[dojocan81]

The next few houres will decide the fate of everyone in the galaxy!

blue, green & red ...

[DannieCraft]

I am 99.9% sure that I will be satisfied with the extended cut.
But that 0.1% is really bothering me, lol.

I'm putting my trust in BioWare and the Mass Effect team. They have given me the best game experience I've had in a decade with the Mass Effect series.

[Madeline Lightning]

RockSW wrote...

Madeline Lightning wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Orkney11 wrote...

Ryokun1989 ,
I can tell you why no one bothers to read your explanation. You see, people do not consider themselves stupid. When they are presented with stuff that to them obviously doesn't make any sense, and then they find out that there lots of others who think the same way, You'd have to try really hard to tell them that they are all wrong, and you are the only one who got it right.

Ohh, I'm FAR from the only one. It's just that most of them don't really feel like going on this forum to argue.

Not many of you, that's why you're in this thread trying to fight a battle you can't win.... and your thread doesn't explain anything except how sad you really are at not understanding much of anything. You have about as much wisdom as a Youtube comment.

caps lock is usually the mark of a moron 

There is no caps lock on, or did you mean his comment?

[METALPUNKS]

I don't know a lot about things that go on these days but I do know there is a ton of hate being thrown around. Difference in opinion is one thing but some of the stuff people are saying is downright rude! I understand people are upset about the ending but at this point it's way past that. Nobody and I mean nobody deserves some of what's being said to eachother. The ending isn't what ruined the game for me, it's all this crap.

I like to think of all us players as people out there saving the universe, having an adventure, and not taking for granted what a great story Mass Effect has become for all of us. I can't help but to think some of these people would not deserve a spot on the Normandy. Call me sensitive or imaginative but I'm calling it like it is. All I keep thinking is great some of us have to put up with this until summer then probably even after that because the extended cut won't be good enough. The forums a overflowing with these attitudes, it's hard to escape. It doesn't matter who started what, we are in the position to stop all this. Go back and play some old Mass Effect or keep playing ME3 or play another game but at least wait until the extended cut comes out before we start killing eachother. Let's not play the victim any longer, it's waisting everyone's time, yes, including yours. Some already know how to be civil in all this, let's follow their lead.

[Ryokun1989]

RaenImrahl wrote...

Time to end the generalized insults, please... especially @Ryokun1989. There is a line between discussion and bickering. Bickering will be strongly discouraged.

Heh; you're right. I'll stop my taunting.

But real discussion is hardly possible here anyway.
Go BioWare! Keep making intelligent interactive narratives!! :3 

[SalsaDMA]

Ryokun1989 wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

You so COMPLETELY KNOW EXACTLY NOTHING ABOUT WRITING AND LITERATURE Please, just please SHUT UP, this is insulting to the rest of our species!

If ANYTHING Mass Effect 3 merits the term 'literature' better than most other games and ESPECIALLY the 'alternate endings' you guys are coming up with.


Yeah, BUGS you can complain about. Personally I complained about the face import bug. THAT'S A VALID COMPLAINT.

And you do?

Care to enlighten the rest of us lowly mammals what exhilerating mechanics and techniques where used during the ending of ME3 that puts the rest of the media world to shame?

Or are you just going to continue hurling random insults without any other substance in your posts?

Yes, I do in fact. But that's not really how it works.

It's a bit like trying to explain Shakespeare to a chimpanzee.. you can't really expect much more than having poop flung in your general direction.

cute.

The old mantra: when everything else fails, go for the player.

I take your continued usage of insults instead of arguments to mean that you actually don't have arguments.

[Kargsure]

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Mass Effect 3 sold millions of copies; so that's still not that many people.

So you review-bombed it. Well good on you; that's not a statistic though, that's nerdrage.

You do realise that when talking about 3 million copies sold, you only to poll a sample size of just 1500 people to give you a large enough sample from which to extrapolate an overall picture of the opinions of all of those 3 million items in question.   Now webpolls have a margin of error of 20%.

Looking at just one poll (in this case the one conducted on cnet.com last week), they had close to 20,000 respondants (which exceeds the 1500 minimum responses required).  When I last looked at the poll, 88% of the respondants were asking for a new ending.   Now if you factor in the margin of error that gives us a range of between 68 & 108%, so lets err on the sake of caution and go with the low figure of 68%.  If we extrapolate that against the 3 million copies sold (assuming 1 person per copy - that's 3 million people - if 68% of those didn't like the ending that would equate to 2.040.000 people not liking the ending - lets be even fairer and call it an even 2 million - that's hardly a few thousand (unless your thousands are a lot bigger than mine).

[RaenImrahl]

hobbsyoyo wrote...

Quick while we have the moderator on the line!

Everyone tell him we want a new ending, not an extended old one!!!!

I don't work for Bioware or EA.  Moderators are volunteers.

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Heh; you're right. I'll stop my taunting.

Thank you.  I'd prefer that you had never started in the first place.

Ryokun1989 wrote...

But real discussion is hardly possible here anyway.

Then, to put it bluntly:  Go someplace else, and don't derail the discussion for others.  Inflamatory terms like "retard" serve absolutely no positive purpose.

RI 

[Kargsure]

Mhgasa wrote...

<snip>

So which is it? If you havent decided yet on what exactly it contains then it seems rather strange to make a FAQ . Its things like this that really annoy me, constant conflicting information, it just makes it look like there is something to hide and its really unprofessional.

Its becomming really hard to believe anything official from you atm.

And im not trying to sound ungrateful or step on anyones toes here, im just really confused by the mixed signals.

You would think that they would have learnt from all the statements made prior to the release of ME3 which turned out to be either unrealistic or (in some cases) untrue (remind me again how RGB is not equal to ABC)....

What they need to do is have 1 message, which is diseminated from one location.

[CerberusCheerleader]

Corbinus wrote...

andrea yox wrote...
WHY you want us to experience this SAD ending? C'mon the only way to let our Shepard live requires that we kill all the syntetics, geth and EDI, who i worked soo hard to keep peace with? Even if we play a perfect game, saving almost everyone and losing a few friends we get to chose if we suicide or kill our new syntetics friends? THIS sucks!

Because - what shocking news - ME was  not about saving Shepard so he can live with his LI long and happy.
It was about saving freaking universe from freaking Reapers! Of course if you are so bent on having your Shepard's alive you can have it! All you need  is to blow up your friends, allies and enemies alike.

That seems to be a common misconception. As someone explained it before: people don't care about your story, they care about how it affects the characters in the story. 

Corbinus wrote...

P.S. I am not kidding.

No, I'm afraid you are not 

Also: andrea yox is of course absolutely right. Games like these shouldn't be overly depressing, as explained by Brent Knowle, the lead designer of DA:O:

"End on a positive note. This is really important for video games...life in general is full of s****y stuff happening all the time. When I invest a hundred hours into a game I need to walk away feeling like a hero."

Modifié par CerberusCheerleader, 06 avril 2012 - 08:44 .

[hobbsyoyo]

[quote]RaenImrahl wrote...

[quote]hobbsyoyo wrote...

Quick while we have the moderator on the line!

Everyone tell him we want a new ending, not an extended old one!!!![/quote]

I don't work for Bioware or EA.  Moderators are volunteers.

[quote]


In that case, thank you for your time and effort!
That was from hobbsyoyo...i screwed up the quotes : (

Modifié par hobbsyoyo, 06 avril 2012 - 08:46 .

[Kargsure]

GlennWH wrote...

Corbinus wrote...

GlennWH wrote...
I do have one question: How can the team that gave us the Suicide Mission, Tuchanka, and Rannoch look at that ending and say, "Yeah, that's good."

Easy. The team never said that. The team never wrote it. It was lead writer only.

And none of them looked at it? None of them had the nerve to tell him, "Sorry, but this garbage."

One man may be primarily responsible, but it's still a collaborative failure.

Someone probably did - at which point they probably received some snarky comment about artistic integrity, and an offer to have it all explained to them since they obviously didn't understand the ending.

[Ameno Xiel]

RIP Mass Effect, all good things come to an end.

Will play the Multiplayer for a while longer but when this "Extendet Cut" really is what I think it is, then this franchise is done for by many people.

What we wanted: alternate endings (AND better explanation - yes Bioware, you got half of it right!)

What we got: better explained endings (which is useless because we didn't like them in the first place!)

Close but no cigar.

[CerberusCheerleader]

Rajii017 wrote...

I guess summer will tell if I buy another Bioware product. I won't know for certain until I try this DLC, but considering that it blatantly ignores 90% of the fan base. I have to wonder if it's even relevant. I would rather have paid for a new ending, than been given an "explanation" for free.

The current ending is a joke, and jokes aren't funny when you have to explain them.

+1 for witty comment 

[Ryokun1989]

So if anyone wants to start a more fruitful discussion about the better and worse of the Mass Effect ending; wonders why I am quite convinced of its artistic merits and why I think that they made the choices that they did, feel free to contact me by PM.

I won't abuse you, promise. :3

[Assassin Rex]

BIOWARE if you still want to save your franchise READ, LEARN and APPLY. Nuff said.

http://jmstevenson.w...-mass-effect-3/

Modifié par Assassin Rex, 06 avril 2012 - 09:06 .

[Kargsure]

*trim your trees: not even readable so deleted*

Modifié par Selene Moonsong, 06 avril 2012 - 09:55 .

[Madeline Lightning]

I just dont get how the reapers could win at all or that the final part should even be happening. I mean if you watch
the space segment (and ground units) near the ending, the entire galaxy is fighting against the Reapers, they'd be exterminated for sure. Shepard already pointed out that when the Reapers prime their main weapon to fire tht's their weak point. they die so fast then, like nothing. 

At that point if conditions are met, you get onto the Citadel at the end. Shepard should say to that stupid ****ing kid, "hey little jimmy, look at would that fleet I rode in on did to you reapers, and I've gained access to this station. Maybe you didn't get the memo that we'd be coming for you?"  when the kid starts talking, and you get the mouse prompt to shut him up and say it's over, you miscalculated, you lost *(see Illusive Man comment below).  "We've disabled the crucible with the help of the geth" (or maybe Illusive Man did something when he's gone to the Citadel I assume and isn't at his base when you arrive), you know that code you saw them using earlier in the vr mission. Then you see your two squad mates putting explosives on the crucible and you fly out as the whole thing blows up. 

Harbinger tries one desperate attempt to do something that doesn't matter at this point and everyone fires on him specifically, as he primes his weapon and he dies.


Some of the more competent writers put those hints in that the reapers could be beaten conventionally...
more than hints really, they showed it in the geth part, you did it yourself a few times throughout the series and again on tuchanka when the worm thing takes one down.

If the crucible was one final trap from the reapers, hackett always seemed like a very practical person... i don't think he would have gambled on that unknown thing
 
*The illusive man could have clued Shepard in on what that crucible actually does, and that is is a trap, it goes back to his line on Thessia where he says "Never question my ability to fight, I've been fighting them (Reapers) longer than you can imagine."  see here - tinyurl.com/76blmnx

Maybe he was a sole survivor of some attempt before the Reapers made, so he knows what the crucible does, or what it is, and helps too in his own way which is what I wanted. After it's all over, the Reapers defeated, he contacts you and says something like "well done shepard, but things between us are far from over and when we meet again, it wont' be on the same side of the battlefield."
 

Then we could have an opening for a 4th game.

Maybe it doesn't make full sense, but I think it can be crafted to. It's better than what they gave us.

Modifié par Madeline Lightning, 06 avril 2012 - 09:37 .