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[Degs29]

I kind of wish they wouldn't bother pouring time and resources into additional cinematics for greater "clarification" in the endings.  Maybe that's what some people are looking for, but not me.  I don't want to understand the ending any more than I already do, and although some closure on your squadmates and the state of the galaxy would be appreciated, I'd much rather have the distinct (as in, 100% distinct) endings be a reflection of my accumulated in-game choices.  As far as I'm concerned, my accumulated choices over 80 hours do very little except to make one more poor option available at the end.  It's hugely disappointing that a trilogy advertised and delivered as the most player-interactive games of all time would come to a close so completely out of tune with that concept.

This "solution" is exactly what I thought they'd deliver (if they delivered at all), but I was hoping against hope it would be something else.  It seems the more time that passes, the even more frustrated I become with the ending.  Don't get me wrong, I absolutely love every other aspect of ME3 and it's one of the best games I've ever played.  The ending just doesn't do it justice IMO, and I'm going to go out on a 100-foot thick limb and say this extended cut isn't going quell much disappointment in fans.

Bioware is a great company, and great video game creator...and I know their hands are tied in many ways...but I think this solution is a mistake.  As always, I wish Bioware the best of luck.

Modifié par Degs29, 06 avril 2012 - 09:37 .

[Ryokun1989]

Kargsure wrote...

With all due respect - I've just read part of your analysis of the ending, and unless I'm completely misunderstanding what you said - it essentially boils down to Shepard died when hit by Harby's beam, so everything after that didn't really happen - so we can ignore anything that might be a plothole as it didn't really happen anyway. oh and your conversation with the Star Brat is really a conversation with God....somewhere about then I stopped reading as it got far too quassi-religious for me.   Just as an aside - even if what you are saying is true - my Shepard would still tell the "God-Child/Star Brat" to go jump as she doesn't believe in God.  I know this because she had a whole conversation with Ashley about it way back in ME1.

He did die, and it did really happen.
And 'God' can be taken to mean anything, ancient AI, extra-galactic species or, you know, a God.

And anyway, I'm not trying to give a perfect truth; it's an interpretation of the themes.


Anyway, we should take this to PM.

Modifié par Ryokun1989, 06 avril 2012 - 09:56 .

[SalsaDMA]

umm.. could you cut out some of the quotes in those quoting pyramids?

It gets tiring when you have to go through several screens of nothing just to read a post. The innermost quotes are unreadbale by now anyway, due to the size of the pyramid

[pedulla]

how disappointing...

[AlanC9]

Madeline Lightning wrote...

I just dont get how the reapers could win at all or that the final part should even be happening. I mean if you watch
the space segment (and ground units) near the ending, the entire galaxy is fighting against the Reapers, they'd be exterminated for sure. Shepard already pointed out that when the Reapers prime their main weapon to fire tht's their weak point. they die so fast then, like nothing.

You do know that there are different classes of Reapers, right? Killing a destroyer-class reaper at close range is a different proposal from killing a Sovereign-class Reaper at long range.

Some of the more competent writers put those hints in that the reapers could be beaten conventionally...
more than hints really, they showed it in the geth part, you did it yourself a few times throughout the series and again on tuchanka when the worm thing takes one down.

You're reading things into the game that were never intended, I think. It certainly never looked to me like conventional victory was possible.

And a writer who hints at things that aren't going to be possible is hardly "more competent." If anything, the reverse

Modifié par AlanC9, 06 avril 2012 - 09:57 .

[Madeline Lightning]

AlanC9 wrote...

Madeline Lightning wrote...

I just dont get how the reapers could win at all or that the final part should even be happening. I mean if you watch
the space segment (and ground units) near the ending, the entire galaxy is fighting against the Reapers, they'd be exterminated for sure. Shepard already pointed out that when the Reapers prime their main weapon to fire tht's their weak point. they die so fast then, like nothing.

You do know that there are different classes of Reapers, right? Killing a destroyer-class reaper at close range is a different proposal from killing a Sovereign-class Reaper at long range.

Some of the more competent writers put those hints in that the reapers could be beaten conventionally...
more than hints really, they showed it in the geth part, you did it yourself a few times throughout the series and again on tuchanka when the worm thing takes one down.

You're reading things into the game that were never intended, I think. It certainly never looked to me like conventional victory was possible.

Yeah I know, but the smaller ones were easily taken out, they showed it. The larger ones would require the fleets with stronger weapons than the targetting laser or the worm thing. I really think it could work out fine, tying together all the war assets and races you bring into the battle at the end.  I'm not reading into unintended things. They showed the smaller reapers die in those ways. It was just a suggestion and I wasn't really looking for feedback from you or anyone here. They showed some fleets destroying the other types of reapers anyway. There's tons of videos showing how each class is taken out. Some are more conventional than using some weapon (crucible) no one knows about. 

Modifié par Madeline Lightning, 06 avril 2012 - 09:58 .

[AlanC9]

Posting on a message board isn't the way to not get feedback.

[Madeline Lightning]

AlanC9 wrote...

Posting on a message board isn't the way to not get feedback.

You can give it, but I don't care too much about it. I'm mostly speaking to the creators and I've posted that message all over the net already. One more place won't hurt.

One thing I didn't say here is I work with the Unreal engine(longer than Bioware even has/exactly as long as Epic Games has) for my job, I can get a group of designer friends I work with to at least create a new cinematic and post it on our site, youtube and all over. Might be a fun project.  A few of the people can mimic the voices of the actors very well, since they are voice actors. I am thinking about doing it. Won't cost me anything to but time and it's a good way to exercise our talents. Everyone is on board to do it for fun and because we disliked the ending and mostly because we can and it's for our own amusement.

Modifié par Madeline Lightning, 06 avril 2012 - 10:06 .

[ArthurBDD]

Apparently the last words at the PAX panel were "Without you, we are nothing. We are artists without an audience."

I do hope they take into account people's reservations about the Extended Cut and the strong desire out there to see some alternate endings come into play (at the very least let us have the option of bluntly defying the Starchild!), because I won't want BioWare to wake up one day and find that they are precisely that: artists without an audience.

[kalle90]

Degs29 wrote...

I kind of wish they wouldn't bother pouring time and resources into additional cinematics for greater "clarification" in the endings.  Maybe that's what some people are looking for, but not me.  I don't want to understand the ending any more than I already do, and although some closure on your squadmates and the state of the galaxy would be appreciated, I'd much rather have the distinct (as in, 100% distinct) endings be a reflection of my accumulated in-game choices.  As far as I'm concerned, my accumulated choices over 80 hours do very little except to make one more poor option available at the end.  It's hugely disappointing that a trilogy advertised and delivered as the most player-interactive games of all time would come to a close so completely out of tune with that concept.

Are we sure the Extended Cut won't provide answers to those other things? I'm curious. If people really only wait for one version of a 3-5 minute bit that vaguely explains what happened at the ending.

I don't see why the ending couldn't practically lead into 16 more or less varied endings.
- Lots of war assets = Lots of survivors which could be reflected
- Krogan starting a new civilization - going extinct - starting a movement to conquer the galaxy
- Geth and quarians at peace - Geth extinct - Geth starting a war against organics
- Every key character having a short segment of their own
...
...
- Hackett having a speech which reflects Shepard's background, profile, squad, choices...

[mannyclouds]

Madeline Lightning wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Posting on a message board isn't the way to not get feedback.

You can give it, but I don't care too much about it. I'm mostly speaking to the creators and I've posted that message all over the net already. One more place won't hurt.

One thing I didn't say here is I work with the Unreal engine(longer than Bioware even has/exactly as long as Epic Games has) for my job, I can get a group of designer friends I work with to at least create a new cinematic and post it on our site, youtube and all over. Might be a fun project.  A few of the people can mimic the voices of the actors very well, since they are voice actors. I am thinking about doing it. Won't cost me anything to but time and it's a good way to exercise our talents. Everyone is on board to do it for fun and because we disliked the ending and mostly because we can and it's for our own amusement.

If you do do it i maybe able to play me3 again i'll just moot godkid and put your ending on but i still not buyin nothin from asoiated with ea and bioware if they don't fix it

[Kargsure]

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Modifié par Kargsure, 06 avril 2012 - 10:16 .

[Dasgoodya]

I'm gonna wait and see what is going to happen in the dlc. If it actually finishes the game off I will be happy...if it keeps the same damn endings Bioware...well lets just say :insert rude comment here:. If what people say about EA is true or whatever then there is really only one solution. Talk to the head directly. I cannot accept the endings as they are now, so much so that I am using the indoctrination theory as truth until something is done with them. Either a new ending all together, the indoctrination theory shown to be correct but with a twist like there was another choice but shepard was indoctrinated or something, the scene with the Normandy fleeing the fight deleted (this is a must) as well as the stupid scene at the end of the credits with the old man and the child and finally the option to just let the fighting continue on, maybe organics will win maybe they won;t but it is better than being giving options by an unknown entity that says it has the answer to everything, when it clearly doesn't.

[venom56321489]

Just saw COMICON IV a fans hope!
QUOTE FROM STAN LEE
"In all avenues of media the fans are everything, without the fans we are nothing"

Well spoken stan lee! In regards to the endings, maybe you should take notice Bioware he has been around a while and is still popular among the fans. You Bioware are not.

[Madeline Lightning]

mannyclouds wrote...

Madeline Lightning wrote...

AlanC9 wrote...

Posting on a message board isn't the way to not get feedback.

You can give it, but I don't care too much about it. I'm mostly speaking to the creators and I've posted that message all over the net already. One more place won't hurt.

One thing I didn't say here is I work with the Unreal engine(longer than Bioware even has/exactly as long as Epic Games has) for my job, I can get a group of designer friends I work with to at least create a new cinematic and post it on our site, youtube and all over. Might be a fun project.  A few of the people can mimic the voices of the actors very well, since they are voice actors. I am thinking about doing it. Won't cost me anything to but time and it's a good way to exercise our talents. Everyone is on board to do it for fun and because we disliked the ending and mostly because we can and it's for our own amusement.

If you do do it i maybe able to play me3 again i'll just moot godkid and put your ending on but i still not buyin nothin from asoiated with ea and bioware if they don't fix it

I just can't put it into the actual game. It would be like getting to the final act and watching the video on our site.  Unless there is a way for me to put it into the game, as I can code it in fine, but the Origin/EA checks might have an issue with it, and I can't do it for consoles, but the video on a designated site should be enough.

Regardless, we're going to do it anyway, and it's free, and will be every bit as visually stunning as what BioWare did, if not more (less stiff animations).  When I posted the last post, I got a PM from someone who said they can do Anderson perfect, and is sending me a demo of their voice later.  So far I have 14 people/co-workers and friends willing to do a similar ending I talked about. There's more to it, but that was a brief outline written fast.

Modifié par Madeline Lightning, 06 avril 2012 - 10:18 .

[Stonewall_Jack]

I have little faith in this especially as one of the many comments that returned, in the topic they said they would read, was that people actually wanted less. I am one of those. The know it all about the Reapers was unneeded. Some uncunning facts like how they are built, how they partially came into existence, but facts that made us know more about reapers (for example reapers indoctrinate, that is a big thing to know), but nothing that would explain the reaper, the why.

I liked the reapers as they were the most Alien thing this franchise had, making it feel that all the other aliens and even synthetics were not Alien, but almost human. This last bit amongst many other things is taken away with that child. There are severall youtube endings that remove the child and generally shows less, it improves the endings a lot.

The ending now just shows in my opinion why the whole 3rd story arc is poorly executed. The ending is the result of the entire game. Less creates more options and possibilities and though a proper ending would be missed, any plot holes can be filled with your imagination.

Modifié par Stonewall_Jack, 06 avril 2012 - 10:17 .

[maidros78]

So people - what do you all think the additional cinematics will feature?  Will we get three more colours (say magenta, cyan, and yellow) based on whether Shepard was Paragon or Renegade?  Will s/he do a few backflips in the beam before disintegrating/merging?  Will there be a bigger boom when Shepard chooses the destroy ending?  Will we see all of Shepard's live teammates exiting the Normandy on the unknown planet, instead of just the random one as at the moment?  Will there be another sales pitch for the DLC to be released in future?

What this announcement clarifies is that Bioware is happy with the ending, and is not going to change it, no matter how many fans protest or complain.  Maybe they cannot change it, maybe they will not change it.  It is immaterial.  They have made their choice, and it is for us to make our choice.

Modifié par maidros78, 06 avril 2012 - 10:20 .

[Plinkett]

If this DLC doesn't rectify all the hundreds of plotholes in your sh*tty as f*ck ending, then all I ask you Bioware is, Y U NO LISTEN? You hear only what you WANT to hear, not what you NEED to hear. Artistic integrity? The ending wasn't artistic and you have no integrity! Even though it's free, we should boycott this sh*t, because I can't believe after all this nerd rage, endless videos on youtube lasting hours on why the ending sucks, thousands of fans who feel cheated that all they're going to is give us a few new cutscenes and that'll be the end of it. WHY, BIOWARE, WHY?!

[mannyclouds]

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I just can't put it into the actual game. It would be like getting to the final act and watching the video on our site.  Unless there is a way for me to put it into the game, as I can code it in fine, but the Origin/EA checks might have an issue with it, and I can't do it for consoles, but the video on a designated site should be enough.

Regardless, we're going to do it anyway, and it's free, and will be every bit as visually stunning as what BioWare did, if not more (less stiff animations).  When I posted the last post, I got a PM from someone who said they can do Anderson perfect, and is sending me a demo of their voice later.  So far I have 14 people/co-workers and friends willing to do a similar ending I talked about. There's more to it, but that was a brief outline written fast.

[/quote]

Send me the link, i dont have any tech skills like that but id be happy to help how i can

[Kargsure]

Ryokun1989 wrote...

He did die, and it did really happen.
And 'God' can be taken to mean anything, ancient AI, extra-galactic species or, you know, a God.

And anyway, I'm not trying to give a perfect truth; it's an interpretation of the themes.


Anyway, we should take this to PM.

Actually no, this is simply your interpretation of the current endings - it's definitely not mine.  Mine is entirely different, and unfortunately is full of plot-holes...whether the Extended Cut DLC fixes any of them is yet to be seen.

And it wouldn't matter what the entitity known as the Star-Child actually is - based on everyting my Shepard has done since the start of ME1, she would not just accept the convaluted logic said entity was saying without so much as a "WTF?" - she's questioned pretty much everything else along the way but when faced with the most important decision of the game the reaction decidedly un-Shepard like (with regards to my Shepard - it may be completely in character for your Shepard to act this way).

[Ace Kenshader]

And now we know why the fanbase is full of whiny ****es who need a good spanking to set themselves straight.

You guys should be bloody grateful that they even decided to expand upon the ending and listened to your complaints, cause they could have easily ignored you and given you guys the middle finger -which I can't blame them for-. This is they're game, and they're artistic vision, not yours. So if they love the ending, that's they're opinion and they're right as they worked they're ass off on the game while you people just **** yourselves at the mention of Bioware in your bedrooms. If you think they're artistic vision is wrong, that's your opinion, doesn't mean you should demand them to change it, if that were the case I would have the right to demand the owners of the Lord of the Rings movies to make changes that I think are more suitable and start petitions. But I won't cause it's stupid, and it's not my work, but they'res.

Modifié par Ace Kenshader, 06 avril 2012 - 10:34 .

[brm581424]

...............well good luck with that
last bioware game 4 me.
too bad, me 1 & 2 were so good
oh well, nothing lasts forever

[Alucard of the dragon]

Personally, all I really want is for them to give the game more replay-value. Whether or not it was the ending's fault doesn't really matter, I just don't see much point in playing all the games all over again, since the different choices we make has near-zero impact on the story. So, sure, keep the three-way ending, I just would like if they released a patch or dlc that gave the game(s) more replay-value.

[Arron Dominion]

Start off by saying glad something is happening, and glad that there will be something to clarify things.

My hope is that this reduces the tone shift from ME1 U ME2 U 90% of ME3. If not, I still think there is something that needs to be looked at there in the future.

[Mr. Sean]

I get the sense that if Bioware did a complete rewrite of the ending, paid you for downloading it, and gave you a free steak dinner, somehow you guys will find a way to **** and moan about it.

I used to think that the ending should have been redone. Now I think they should pull the Extended Cut dlc because Bioware can't do anything to please anyone anymore, so why bother?

Modifié par Mr. Sean, 06 avril 2012 - 10:47 .