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[mannyclouds]

Ace Kenshader wrote...

And now we know why the fanbase is full of whiny ****es who need a good spanking to set themselves straight.

You guys should be bloody grateful that they even decided to expand upon the ending and listened to your complaints, cause they could have easily ignored you and given you guys the middle finger -which I can't blame them for-. This is they're game, and they're artistic vision, not yours. So if they love the ending, that's they're opinion and they're right as they worked they're ass off on the game while you people just **** yourselves at the mention of Bioware in your bedrooms. If you think they're artistic vision is wrong, that's your opinion, doesn't mean you should demand them to change it, if that were the case I would have the right to demand the owners of the Lord of the Rings movies to make changes that I think are more suitable and start petitions. But I won't cause it's stupid, and it's not my work, but they'res.

So by your words if youngo to a 5 star resturant and you order a well done steak and they give it to you rare and the sides are cold, you have no right to complain because "it's not my work, but they'res" right?  Wrong while artistic expresion is all well and good, if the people you are trying to reach out too don't find beauty in it then it has no artistic value.  Do you think that the mona lisa was painted with no input from the person that comissioned the work? 

[DigitalAvatar]

Ace Kenshader wrote...

You guys should be bloody grateful that they even decided to expand upon the ending and listened to your complaints, cause they could have easily ignored you and given you guys the middle finger -which I can't blame them for-. This is they're game, and they're artistic vision, not yours. So if they love the ending, that's they're opinion and they're right as they worked they're ass off on the game while you people just **** yourselves at the mention of Bioware in your bedrooms. 

No. The endings are fundamentally broken. They should never have been in the game. It doesn't matter a great deal that BioWare are conceding to "clarify" the existing  ending (although it's better than nothing). But that does not change the fact that the ending is still broken. BioWare themselves deserve better than this ****stain they shipped with. They are only making themselves look bad. Mass Effect 3's most defining attribute is the fact that it has a goddamn awful ending - that's the legacy that BioWare are sticking themselves with.

Ace Kenshader wrote...
If you think they're artistic vision is wrong, that's your opinion, doesn't mean you should demand them to change it, if that were the case I would have the right to demand the owners of the Lord of the Rings movies to make changes that I think are more suitable and start petitions. But I won't cause it's stupid, and it's not my work, but they'res.

The endings are a betrayal of everything Mass Effect stands for. The developers knew exactly what kind of ending the final Mass Effect needed, and they described it in their pre-release statements. Then they abandoned everything that had stated about the ending (where was their integrity then?). The fact is that the game does not have an appropriate ending, and that will not change regardless of how much polish is applied to the turd.

And if Lord of the Rings ended the same way that Mass Effect 3 did (Frodo throws the ring into the volcano, volcano explodes, short cut to showing the rest of the Fellowship (including Sam) shipwrecked on an island for some reason that is never explained, and then cut to credits) people wouldn't be happy either.

Modifié par DigitalAvatar, 06 avril 2012 - 11:03 .

[METALPUNKS]

Shepards final words:

Come on baby
"don't fear the reaper(s)"
Baby take my hand
"don't fear the reaper(s)"
We'll be able to fly
"don't fear the reaper(s)"
Baby I'm your man

[Ace Kenshader]

mannyclouds wrote...

So by your words if youngo to a 5 star resturant and you order a well done steak and they give it to you rare and the sides are cold, you have no right to complain because "it's not my work, but they'res" right? Wrong while artistic expresion is all well and good, if the people you are trying to reach out too don't find beauty in it then it has no artistic value. Do you think that the mona lisa was painted with no input from the person that comissioned the work?

Do you actually have any proof that Lisa Del Giocondo commissioned the work i.e. paid Da Vinci to make a portrait of her? Da Vinci worked on that painting for over a decade between 1503-1519, so there is no way the commissioner would have that sort of patience, especially when you consider that it is thought -though not proven- that Lisa del Giocondo commissioned the painting for their new home and to celebrate the birth of they're second son Andrea.

Modifié par Ace Kenshader, 06 avril 2012 - 11:05 .

[Ryokun1989]

mannyclouds wrote...

Ace Kenshader wrote...

And now we know why the fanbase is full of whiny ****es who need a good spanking to set themselves straight.

You guys should be bloody grateful that they even decided to expand upon the ending and listened to your complaints, cause they could have easily ignored you and given you guys the middle finger -which I can't blame them for-. This is they're game, and they're artistic vision, not yours. So if they love the ending, that's they're opinion and they're right as they worked they're ass off on the game while you people just **** yourselves at the mention of Bioware in your bedrooms. If you think they're artistic vision is wrong, that's your opinion, doesn't mean you should demand them to change it, if that were the case I would have the right to demand the owners of the Lord of the Rings movies to make changes that I think are more suitable and start petitions. But I won't cause it's stupid, and it's not my work, but they'res.

So by your words if youngo to a 5 star resturant and you order a well done steak and they give it to you rare and the sides are cold, you have no right to complain because "it's not my work, but they'res" right?  Wrong while artistic expresion is all well and good, if the people you are trying to reach out too don't find beauty in it then it has no artistic value.  Do you think that the mona lisa was painted with no input from the person that comissioned the work? 

Game design is not a restaurant! You did not 'order a Mass Effect 3, with such and so ending'! This is exactly the weird kind of entitlement people berate you for!
It is also not a commission! You're paying for a finished product. In fact, you're paying VERY LITTLE for what is years of the developers' life!

[Ryokun1989]

DigitalAvatar wrote...

The endings are a betrayal of everything Mass Effect stands for. 

Geez, draaamaaaaaaa

[szkasypcze]

I have just read the announcement and gotta say this. Until now, until this very evening I still hoped. But I guess the hope dies last....

[Ace Kenshader]

DigitalAvatar wrote...

No. The endings are fundamentally broken. They should never have been in the game. It doesn't matter a great deal that BioWare are conceding to "clarify" the existing  ending (although it's better than nothing). But that does not change the fact that the ending is still broken. BioWare themselves deserve better than this ****stain they shipped with. They are only making themselves look bad. Mass Effect 3's most defining attribute is the fact that it has a goddamn awful ending - that's the legacy that BioWare are sticking themselves with.

No, the only people who are making themselves look bad is people like you, who's only meaning in life is to whine and complain while they have done absolutely nothing to contribute to a franchise that doesn't include playing it, and paying for it. The only legacy that Bioware should be worried about is that they're fandoms is dumbing down to the levels of Sonic the Hedgehog, and that's a huge bloody accomplishment all things considered.

The endings are a betrayal of everything Mass Effect stands for. The developers knew exactly what kind of ending the final Mass Effect needed, and they described it in their pre-release statements. Then they abandoned everything that had stated about the ending (where was their integrity then?). The fact is that the game does not have an appropriate ending, and that will not change regardless of how much polish is applied to the turd.

They never abandoned what they had stated ******, your definitiion and thoughts on the ending is differnent then they're definition and thoughts, why do you think people outside of the gaming universe are just laughing they're asses off at guys like you? You people are complaining about something you have no control over, and on something that is just unbelievably petty considering there are more pressing matters the world has to worry about. My personal opinion is that the ending is fine, but my hats off to Bioware for attempting to clarify things for the slow-minded people.

[tonnactus]

Madeline Lightning wrote...

I just dont get how the reapers could win at all or that the final part should even be happening. I mean if you watch
the space segment (and ground units) near the ending, the entire galaxy is fighting against the Reapers, they'd be exterminated for sure.

Numbers mean nothing when the enemy is far more advanced.

[kbct]

szkasypcze wrote...

I have just read the announcement and gotta say this. Until now, until this very evening I still hoped. But I guess the hope dies last....

Sucks, huh?

The polls on BSN tend to be fairly stable over time. This DLC only satisfies about 10% of the voters. The rest are either uncertain or don't like it:

http://social.biowar...11/polls/31441/

BioWare is listening.

[MalusNos]

Madeline Lightning wrote...

I just dont get how the reapers could win at all or that the final part should even be happening. I mean if you watch
the space segment (and ground units) near the ending, the entire galaxy is fighting against the Reapers, they'd be exterminated for sure. Shepard already pointed out that when the Reapers prime their main weapon to fire tht's their weak point. they die so fast then, like nothing. 

At that point if conditions are met, you get onto the Citadel at the end. Shepard should say to that stupid ****ing kid, "hey little jimmy, look at would that fleet I rode in on did to you reapers, and I've gained access to this station. Maybe you didn't get the memo that we'd be coming for you?"  when the kid starts talking, and you get the mouse prompt to shut him up and say it's over, you miscalculated, you lost *(see Illusive Man comment below).  "We've disabled the crucible with the help of the geth" (or maybe Illusive Man did something when he's gone to the Citadel I assume and isn't at his base when you arrive), you know that code you saw them using earlier in the vr mission. Then you see your two squad mates putting explosives on the crucible and you fly out as the whole thing blows up. 

Harbinger tries one desperate attempt to do something that doesn't matter at this point and everyone fires on him specifically, as he primes his weapon and he dies.


Some of the more competent writers put those hints in that the reapers could be beaten conventionally...
more than hints really, they showed it in the geth part, you did it yourself a few times throughout the series and again on tuchanka when the worm thing takes one down.

If the crucible was one final trap from the reapers, hackett always seemed like a very practical person... i don't think he would have gambled on that unknown thing
 
*The illusive man could have clued Shepard in on what that crucible actually does, and that is is a trap, it goes back to his line on Thessia where he says "Never question my ability to fight, I've been fighting them (Reapers) longer than you can imagine."  see here - tinyurl.com/76blmnx

Maybe he was a sole survivor of some attempt before the Reapers made, so he knows what the crucible does, or what it is, and helps too in his own way which is what I wanted. After it's all over, the Reapers defeated, he contacts you and says something like "well done shepard, but things between us are far from over and when we meet again, it wont' be on the same side of the battlefield."
 

Then we could have an opening for a 4th game.

Maybe it doesn't make full sense, but I think it can be crafted to. It's better than what they gave us.

This would be a much better ending I think. Definitely let me know when you have a site for it. At the very least it'd make the game more replayable instead of the current ending which just makes me feel depressed and jaded.

To me, the theme for the first two games was 'Nothing is impossible!', you beat Saren, stopped the Geth, came back to life after being spaced!, defeated the Collectors. And while things were hard and you might have lost a crew member or two along the way, you're still the hero. The theme for ME3 was overall much more fatalistic (my opinion of it) with people dying that couldn't be saved, introspective moments of Shepard beating himself/herself up inside, and then to top it all off, that ending. That ending that just makes me shrivel a little inside.

Modifié par MalusNos, 06 avril 2012 - 11:28 .

[TheLeetSkweet]

The only reason I'm not furious right now is because it's free, so I can't really complain about something like that. So I guess I'll have to give it a shot, but I am extremely skeptical towards it.

[Mev186]

I don't see why You guys can't make an Alternative DLC pack... You can have your "Artistic integrity" ending. and we can have an ending we like. Is your pride really that important to you ?

[DigitalAvatar]

Ace Kenshader wrote...
They never abandoned what they had stated ******, your definitiion and thoughts on the ending is differnent then they're definition and thoughts, why do you think people outside of the gaming universe are just laughing they're asses off at guys like you?

"At this point we’re taking into account so many decisions that you’ve made as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.....The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them.” - Casey Hudson

Red, Blue, or Green. A. B. C.
For all your not-abandoning-what-they-stated needs: http://social.biowar.../index/10056886

Modifié par DigitalAvatar, 06 avril 2012 - 11:59 .

[mannyclouds]

So by your words if youngo to a 5 star resturant and you order a well done steak and they give it to you rare and the sides are cold, you have no right to complain because "it's not my work, but they'res" right?  Wrong while artistic expresion is all well and good, if the people you are trying to reach out too don't find beauty in it then it has no artistic value.  Do you think that the mona lisa was painted with no input from the person that comissioned the work? 

[/quote]

Game design is not a restaurant! You did not 'order a Mass Effect 3, with such and so ending'! This is exactly the weird kind of entitlement people berate you for!
It is also not a commission! You're paying for a finished product. In fact, you're paying VERY LITTLE for what is years of the developers' life!


[/quote]

And yes we did commission the work by creating the demand. If the fans didn't back the first game do you think they would have made a second? Let alone a third? No. They would have stopped at me 1 and said it was a right off why make something that won't sell. $100 is not very little, it is a high amount of money concidering the amount produced,you know what hell yeah im entitled  im entitled to get my monies worth, im entitled to receive the thing promised lik multiple hugly divergent endings as promised during interveiws wit me ststalf

[mannyclouds]

[quote]Ace Kenshader 


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Do you actually have any proof that Lisa Del Giocondo commissioned the work i.e. paid Da Vinci to make a portrait of her? Da Vinci worked on that painting for over a decade between 1503-1519, so there is no way the commissioner would have that sort of patience, especially when you consider that it is thought -though not proven- that Lisa del Giocondo commissioned the painting for their new home and to celebrate the birth of they're second son Andrea. [/quote]

There is no proof that it wasn't but that wasn't the point of the statement although you seem to think it was. I'll repeat do you really ink lisa del glocondo would have had now say in the painting? Do you think it would be so famous if leo didnt take into account the feelings of those who visited him while painting it?

[Tim_H]

Mev186 wrote...

I don't see why You guys can't make an Alternative DLC pack... You can have your "Artistic integrity" ending. and we can have an ending we like. Is your pride really that important to you ?

Yes, I agree!  

[zoompooky]

Ryokun1989 wrote...
Game design is not a restaurant! You did not 'order a Mass Effect 3, with such and so ending'! This is exactly the weird kind of entitlement people berate you for!
It is also not a commission! You're paying for a finished product. In fact, you're paying VERY LITTLE for what is years of the developers' life!

Actually, we did order a Mass Effect 3 with such and so ending.

See, when several BioWare employees, including the Creative Director (i.e. the guy in charge) state that the ending is "X" , then they are making a representation of their product... one which we base our purchasing decisions on.

Before we bought the game (and only a few months prior to release in fact), Casey had things like this to say:

At this point we’re taking into account so many decisions that you’ve made as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.

Which of course is completely untrue.  We did in fact get PRECISELY A, B, and C.

It’s more like there are some really obvious things that are different and then lots and lots of smaller things, lots of things about who lives and who dies, civilizations that rose and fell, all the way down to individual characters. That becomes the state of where you left your galaxy. The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them.

Sophistication and Variety?  They're virtually identical save for color pallette.

So again - they misrepresented their product - and we ordered it based on that misrepresentation.

To be clear - these aren't blue sky moments, where he's talking possibilities.  This is from OXM on Jan 11 that he's saying these things - only a few months before the retail release.

http://www.oxm.co.uk...-sophisticated/

I don't think you understand what "entitlement" means.  Entitlement is the concept of "they owe us", or "I deserve something for nothing".  This is clearly not the case... this is a case of us purchasing a product based on lies made by the developer.  Wanting what you paid for isn't entitlement.  

Modifié par zoompooky, 07 avril 2012 - 12:17 .

[heraymo]

im a little disapointed at the annoucment but atleast its a attempt but i see alot of people here getting down on the disatisfied customers and i think they forget that everyone has the right to be disatisfied with a product. and no one individual should let other degrade them cause they speak about it. i for one think that bioware has let done many people and some are actually satisfied. but in the end if you dont allow people to speak out when something is wrong the companys never learn and i think and hope bioware has learned to treat there products with more care and not let games like this be released until they are of the top quality they should be. and to all those who would talk down to others for voicing there opinions (IT MUST SUCK BEING INDOCTRINATED)

Modifié par heraymo, 07 avril 2012 - 12:23 .

[Tim_H]

mannyclouds wrote...
And yes we did commission the work by creating the demand. If the fans didn't back the first game do you think they would have made a second? Let alone a third? No. They would have stopped at me 1 and said it was a right off why make something that won't sell. $100 is not very little, it is a high amount of money concidering the amount produced,you know what hell yeah im entitled  im entitled to get my monies worth, im entitled to receive the thing promised lik multiple hugly divergent endings as promised during interveiws wit me ststalf

I agree.  This is commercial entertainment, and commerical entertainment should seek to satisfy the audience's expectations.

People would have handled Shephard's (apparent) death better if the ending had at least been sensitive to closing out the storyline in a coherent manner. 

[METALPUNKS]

hobbsyoyo wrote...

METALPUNKS wrote...

hobbsyoyo wrote...

METALPUNKS wrote...
Ihave question that is bugging me. I want to ask an opinion or does any actually know the answer to this. Is the new dlc ending going to be different, not a different ending I know it's just an extended cut but I mean different as in will there be all kinds of different extended cuts? For expample will it have different outcomes like depending on how you played would your whole crew be on that island or would most be dead? Stuff like that. Or will it be the exact same for everyone, no matter how you played? I'm sure this info isn't out yet but what's your opinion. Oh and I also wonder will any of it be playable or will it be a 15 movie added to the end?

From the way the announement reads (to me), they are not going to alter how the ending plays out.  They are just going to drop in some new dialogue/scenes that help explain things.  That's because the original ending was so 'craftily written' that it just flew over everyone's head and no one understood or even like it.So basically after you get the DLC and get to the end, the same sequence of events are going to happen, (warp to citadel, meet GodChild, pick your favorite color) but this time they are going to add some lines to explain wtf is going on.  But that's just what I took away from the announcement.

I get that what in asking are the extended cuts going to play out differently?

No I said IMO they are going to play out the exact same....Nothing (not the gameplay, not the sequence of events, not the outcome) will change.  They are just going to add in a few lines and maybe a cut scene to explain their ending.

but how would it be the same if we had different endings already. Do you know this for positive? I'm not asking if our endings will change. I'm asking if what they release will be different for each player due to the ending we each experienced. Nothing to do with what we already know. I know that already. It's just that some of us had shepard die and some he gasped for air. Some had certain crew mates on the island and some had other mates. 

Modifié par METALPUNKS, 07 avril 2012 - 12:39 .

[Kyda]

Well, I´ll take whatever I get if it helps make sense... I am guessing that this extended cut is what it was planned for the final game but was cut out because they ran out of time. It might not be the ending I would like, but if it makes more sense I take it, it might even help me replay it a few more times.
I am glad it is free... now that being said they should charge the people who liked the ending as it stands because it´s not something they need... LOL!! j/k "ducks"

[SpEcIaLRyAn]

Mass Effect 3 was a terrific experience. I am in the minority here but I liked the ending. It didn't completely fulfill me or give me complete closure but I liked it in a sense that I didn't really understand it. That's exciting to me. "Sometimes a mystery is better than knowing everything..." That being said I am looking forward to this actually.

I am going to stop viewing this forum or even looking at the critics reviews. As it stands critics have no taste in games and the people on this forum and in the general world are immature little b**ches. You make one little mistake and everyone crucifies you or a critic claims that you blow or whatever you made blows. Its a vicious circle of anger and hate that I don't wanna deal with anymore. To the few who have the maturity to accept the fact bioware is doing their best or at least give them credit for not blowing us off (because if you guys were Bioware you know you would) I applaud you. Goodbye everybody. I hope you cease your endless complaining one day and go out and get a life. We all need some sun!

[nighthoof]

Dark Cider wrote...

While I disagree with your choice, it's yours to make. How I spend or support you further on, is mine to make though, and I feel I will not be supporting your future endeavors based on this decision. I'll reserve final judgement on whether or not I buy from you again after I see this extended cut, but if I feel what happens after the choice of control/synthesis/destroy doesn't live up to my expectations, you can consider this my goodbye to you and your parent company EA.

Best of luck!

I couldnt have said it any better other than to ask Bioware to go back to what it once was before it is to late...