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[Dandermifflin]

Some1 in the other topic said that almost all whiners about this Extended Cut, (that no1 has seen yet btw), will play it anyway, and they ll buy anything bw ll release next. If u really wanna "leave" then take ur money and leave ffs (silent pref). Or just wait until its gets out. Really it all remind me about Wow and Cataclysm 2 years ago. All this talks "oh WOW isnt cake anymore, im leaving right now, uh.. after i finish anoter raid in ICC".

[Veovim]

I guess how this turns out will depend on how BW defines "changing the endings."  If it means that everything already there is completely unchanged, and they just tack on some extra scenes to show what happens to characters afterward, that would technically be an improvement (assuming everything makes sense), but isn't nearly enough.  If it means that they keep the general context (the destroy/control/merge choice) unchanged, but expand on it to let Shepard challenge the catalyst's assertions and make his own future, that would be more of an improvement.  (For example, forget continuing the cycle in the control ending; I want an ending where you can use the Reapers to seize control of the galaxy in the name of humanity, just like TIM intended.)  As for the Normandy epilogue, I hope it simply gets dropped (the ship and crew can just stay on/around Earth like everyone else).  If it gets kept, there had better be one heck of an explanation offered, because (as is) it makes absolutely no sense.

[DoctorEss]

Persephone wrote...

DoctorEss wrote...

Persephone wrote...

For the LOVE OF CHRIST.....

PLAY the DLC first. Wait and see.

Geez, we get a free DLC and all people do is complaining? Check out the DLC's content. If it's not sufficient, you can still complain then. Give Bioware a (tentative) break for now and wait for PAX/answers/the DLC itself.

Generally when someone has lost trust, and lost respect, you don't keep giving them chances to screw up further.

Sorry.  Guilty until proven innocent, in this case.

What a lovely bastardization of the law.

I wish Bioware had not announced anything at this point. Because not even a FREE DLC as a compromise is good enough.

Sometimes a compromise is the best you can hope for.

I believe you used that wrong.

That said, it's the truth.  I'm not going to give them the benefit of the doubt.  If someone you hired to housesit for you stole from you, would you let them do it again just becuase they said "pretty please"?  No.  

A compromise usually involves both parties gaining and losing something.  One party here loses nothing, the other gains nothing.  This is not a compromise.  This is the illusion of throwing a bone.  No matter how much you clarify, the endings, at their core, do not make sense, for a variety of reasons that many people have already gone into.

Also, bringing the price into it is silly.  You act as though the fact that something is free means I need to be grateful for it.  I've already given Bioware $70 for this game, and had to get all my story content from wikis, youtube, and various other sources.  They can't even make the very beginning of the game work.  So no, a couple free epilogue slides don't really spin my top, especially given that it still means everything is rendered meaningless by the ending.

[Persephone]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Persephone wrote...

heart486 wrote...

 This is pathetic. How many times do we have to say it?! We don't just want closure, we want an ending that doesn't ask us to pick a color.

So you hated ME2 as well, I take it? Never mind that ME3's endings aren't about picking a color.

ME2 had almost countless combinations within the endings. I really have no idea how you can say this.

Blue explosion & red explosion....

GREAT combinations indeed.

You're trolling me right? Have you played ME2?

I'm guessing not. In ME2 you have a 12 man squad, and every single one of them can die based on your decisions with them. Each one can die in a variety of different ways, and you're ultimately left with varying combinations throughout subsequent playthroughs. It makes each time you play through unique.

Eh? So exploring how a character can die in a pre-rendered sequence because you don't get that I.E. Tali & Kasumi are best suited for hacking made ME2 runs unique?

Mine were made unique by my emotional investment. But ME2 was even more railroaded. I couldn't walk away from Cerberus for one.

[morrie23]

While I'm glad you doing some thing to fix this train wreck, please stop with this artistic vision/integrity business. You imply that the ending is the vision of the entire team, when it was in fact a product of a different creative process compared to the rest of the game, the whole writing team did not contribute to the ending, no peer-review (Final Hours App).

Modifié par morrie23, 05 avril 2012 - 04:19 .

[Benny8484]

This is not what fans want.  Your "artist integrity" is just a scapegoat for saying "Its going to cost money we dont want to pay".

[I SuPreMacY 32I]

I really can't stand all the negative comments people are posting about this.

Honestly I was just as dissapointed about the original ending as everyone else but all I really need to be happy is just to get some sense of what the decisions i made throughout the game resulted in and I'll be happy.

For all of you making negative comments about a FREE dlc that you haven't even experienced yet it's pathetic. I can't wait to see what bioware has in store for it and I hope that it gives the ending that will be a great conclusion to a great series.

[Aganerral]

A lot will depend on how well it's executed. I don't have any issue with the overall intent of the original ending, I just felt it was poorly done, not well explained, and left too many things open for what's supposed to be the conclusion of a 3 game long storyline. I'll probably never be happy about the sudden addition of the godchild and lack of interaction with Harbinger (I really wanted to blow him up), if they can clarify what each option means, the consequences on the rest of the galaxy in general and my squadmates in particular I can be OK with the result. But any explanation needs to include what that 'final breath' scene means - if its possible for Shepard to survive, I want to know it for sure.

That includes addressing the fact that a single-player only playthrough right now does not provide enough assets to trigger that scene.

[durasteel]

As long as you add a new villain at the very end that I don't care about, invalidate Shepard's efforts to save the galaxy, force all conflict into the "AI is bad" framework, which I reject based on my choices as Shepard, and completely trash the entire galaxy...

You might as well save your effort. What on Earth makes you think I care about seeing more of that trash?

If you stand by this turd of an ending, you have no artistic integrity, and no artistic credibility. I'm not going to stick around while you pee on my head and tell me it's raining.

Good luck, I'm out.

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

Just because the ending doesn't make sense to people in its current form doesn't mean it CANT make sense with more clarification. The Mass Effect itself requires explanation for people to buy it as anything more than "space magic". The same could be said of a lot of things in the trilogy. If they explain the reaction well enough or the point of contact between the citadel and catalyst then that would satisfy the "it doesn't make sense" argument. We also already have been told that an explanation of the Normandy's Escape is already a part of this DLC.

[Mil_LorD]

Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?
No. BioWare strongly believes in the team's artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.[/list]

Soo... there will be a cinematic where we see Joker piking up the Crew from Earth and fleeing the battle now.... thats cool <_<

Be good to each other and Summer is coming...

Rather seems like the Starks are right and "Winter is coming"...

Ah well.. don't think this is what anybody really wanted but I'll wait for what you're planning... just do what you did for the first 99,9% of the Mass Effect series and it might be good... I hope so at least.

And if not there is always Space Magic to explain it all right? 


Edit: Guess i should add that I'm glad that you're doing it of course... releasing all that for free is a nice gesture to the fans... I simply can't imagine you can *fix* the endings

Modifié par Mil_LorD, 05 avril 2012 - 04:25 .

[KratosJax]

So basically I get to watch the same awful ending only played out longer? Yeah no thanks.

[ScrltFx]

I am extremely conflicted about this game at the moment. I keep hearing "this is the end of the trilogy" and then I go for my second play-through, and Shepard takes a breath at the end! Playing through a second time broke my heart, because I already knew how it ended. I no longer had the hope to see Kaidan after being transported to the Citadel. I finish this game feeling empty and shattered. I have grown such an attachment to this game, seeing how my decisions affect the entire world, and to see it end in such away... I was hurt.

Nonetheless, I still want to see what they come up with for this DLC. I may be in denial, as they keep saying that this is the end, but I still have hope that maybe, JUST MAYBE, they're pulling our legs, and the ending wasn't actually real.

[zambingo]

Shelled wrote...

zambingo wrote...

Sticking up for the creative staff and offering an olive branch to the disgruntled. I think this is good.

We aren't Shepard.

The gameplay of 3 games, 80+ hours, would say otherwise. You pick your own story in this game, you customize your own character.

We alter Shepard's appearance and make subtle changes to storyline sub plots. The grand journey is narrative and doesn't change. To not get that is to be delusional about your effect on the game.

[velcrolemur]

Estelindis wrote...

Traim Eisenblut wrote...

Dear BioWare,

the artistic vision of your team corrupts and breaks the narrative coherence of the triology. That is the central critical failure of the games ending and it's been adressed and explained many times over. Yet, it get's not resolved. A nonsensical and illogical conclusion, represented by the character of Starchild, can not be brought in line with the established lore of the franchise and can not present continuity or closure to the audiance, no matter how much clarification you put into it.

As this character alone is symptomatic for the most essential cause of our dissatisfaction with the games ending, the decision to keep him and his "solutions" (which are also illogical and nonsensical) does not make us believe you "listened" to us. In fact, it shows the very opposite.

As you value your "artistic vision", even if it clearly breaks a central aspect of the franchise and the the artwork as a whole, over the perception of your customers, you encourage us to not purchase future Mass Effect or BioWare productions. I will regard it further as an "informed customer decision" that BioWare products are not meant to entertain me, but to present and enforce a childish and in parts utterly stupid artistic experiment on me.

Thanks no. My money is better invested in other companies.

Well said.  I agree.  

I am so sad and sorry that it's come to this.  I've bought everything that Bioware has made for PC since Baldur's Gate and loved every game.  But maybe I'm not part of Bioware's intended audience any more.

How did Bioware completely miss the point?  After this and the mediocrity that was DA2, I don't even know what to do.  So incredibly disappointing.

[breadedpudding]

breadedpudding wrote...

CmdrSkinner wrote...

Unless "expand on the existing endings" translates to expanding on what we have to offer the multiple varied endings we were promised, them I am afraid BW, you killed the franchise for me & probably won't be getting any DLC £££...

Well, since the DLC is free, it's not as if they'll be losing much should you not "buy" it.


IT"S NOT A DLC THERES NO FREAKIN GAMEPLAY CONTENT IN IT!!!!! Nothing changed. What don't you get ? 

DLC = Downloadable Content. Extra costumes are considered DLC. New weapons are considered DLC. Anything that adds to a game in any way, shape or form is DLC. -This- is DLC. I get that, you don't seem to. And yes, I get that the endings sucked. But oh frakkin' well. They could have been a hell of a lot worse. Why not wait and see rather than jumping the gun and pointing fingers? Think logically and calmly and see things from ALL angles, then tell me you really think I can't possibly "get" it.

Modifié par breadedpudding, 05 avril 2012 - 04:20 .

[Treavor647]

does this mean a longer RGB explosion?? i will give them the benefit of the doubt and wait until summer and play the ending, but until then i hope they dont expect me to buy any other dlc until then.

[Mersey]

I hope the explaining part of this DLC is Shepard explaining to Starchild why he is wrong, stupid and illogical...and then we go to a cutscene where Shep kicks that kid off the Citadel and into space...lol

Modifié par Mersey, 05 avril 2012 - 04:21 .

[Cyber Raul]

Com'on guys, you need make money not art, give us what we ask. We said all we want and is not just some cinematic. For what concern me, If I cant get what I ask I go spent my money elsewhere.

[heart486]

OdanUrr wrote...

heart486 wrote...

 This is pathetic. How many times do we have to say it?! We don't just want closure, (...)

Again with the "we." Some people only want closure; others want a different ending; others want IT to be true; others don't care. There are many "we" and Bioware will inevitably disappoint some.

"We" as in the people unhappy with the ending. If you aren't one of those people that it doesn't apply to you.

[Gibb_Shepard]

LinksOcarina wrote...

Mr.House wrote...

Persephone wrote...

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Persephone wrote...

heart486 wrote...

 This is pathetic. How many times do we have to say it?! We don't just want closure, we want an ending that doesn't ask us to pick a color.

So you hated ME2 as well, I take it? Never mind that ME3's endings aren't about picking a color.

ME2 had almost countless combinations within the endings. I really have no idea how you can say this.

Blue explosion & red explosion....

GREAT combinations indeed.

Guess you forgot about how many deaths can happen to right? Or that it was possible to get an ending you wanted?

Funny, everyone I know complained about that part because it came out of nowhere...

Mass Effect 2 had three endings basically.

1. where you live with everyone else, and the reaper being destroyed/saved

2. where you live with some deaths, and the reaper being destroyed/saved

3. where you die along with the crew, and the reaper being destoryed/saved

So when you get right down to it...not much of a change, they just hid it better in Mass Effect 2 with hidden requirements that could determine who lives and dies.

You're purposefully narrowing down the complexity of the ending variabilities to suit your argument. I don't like it when people do that.

[DJCaptainPicard]

Traim Eisenblut wrote...

Dear BioWare,

the artistic vision of your team corrupts and breaks the narrative coherence of the triology. That is the central critical failure of the games ending and it's been adressed and explained many times over. Yet, it get's not resolved. A nonsensical and illogical conclusion, represented by the character of Starchild, can not be brought in line with the established lore of the franchise and can not present continuity or closure to the audiance, no matter how much clarification you put into it.

As this character alone is symptomatic for the most essential cause of our dissatisfaction with the games ending, the decision to keep him and his "solutions" (which are also illogical and nonsensical) does not make us believe you "listened" to us. In fact, it shows the very opposite.

As you value your "artistic vision", even if it clearly breaks a central aspect of the franchise and the the artwork as a whole, over the perception of your customers, you encourage us to not purchase future Mass Effect or BioWare productions. I will regard it further as an "informed customer decision" that BioWare products are not meant to entertain me, but to present and enforce a childish and in parts utterly stupid artistic experiment on me.

Thanks no. My money is better invested in other companies.

Well put.  *sigh* 

I do appreciate BioWare at least making an effort to improve the ending and that they're providing it for free.  It's better than nothing.  However, it's like Traim Eisenblut said--it still doesn't correct the real problem.

[rrtda]

this isn't what we wanted we were promised no a b c endings and that we were not going to find some reaper on off switch and that is exactly what we got we cant change anything based on our decisions and it is bs that they either lied or held out for money they lied to us and now they need to set things right

[Karrie788]

I'm in a "wait and see" approach. Won't say anything until I have the DLC.

Have to say that releasing it for free was a classy move though.