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[zoompooky]

N11 0RD0 wrote...

Artists have an idea of the finnished product long before the meda gets ahold of it. The fact of the matter is that, like you said, you can't "order a Mass Effect with such and so ending."

Actually, we did order a Mass Effect 3 with such and so ending.

See, when several BioWare employees, including the Creative Director (i.e. the guy in charge) state that the ending is "X" , then they are making a representation of their product... one which we base our purchasing decisions on.

Before we bought the game (and only a few months prior to release in fact), Casey had things like this to say:

At this point we’re taking into account so many decisions that you’ve made as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It’s not even in any way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.

Which of course is completely untrue.  We did in fact get PRECISELY A, B, and C.

It’s more like there are some really obvious things that are different and then lots and lots of smaller things, lots of things about who lives and who dies, civilizations that rose and fell, all the way down to individual characters. That becomes the state of where you left your galaxy. The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them.

Sophistication and Variety?  They're virtually identical save for color pallette.

So again - they misrepresented their product - and we ordered it based on that misrepresentation.

To be clear - these aren't blue sky moments, where he's talking possibilities.  This is from OXM on Jan 11 that he's saying these things - only a few months before the retail release.

http://www.oxm.co.uk...-sophisticated/

You say that artists have an idea of the finished product long before the media gets ahold of it.  I agree - which makes the above statements by Bioware that much more damaging.  It means they knew that the game wouldn't live up to the claims that they were making in the media, all in the name of sales.

Modifié par zoompooky, 07 avril 2012 - 03:52 .

[rrtda]

I wasnt very angry with the endings i didnt like them but i wasnt mad but when i looked through old interviews and this vid

i got so pissed i could not stand that they lied this much and now that i got lied to i want them to set it right and not e so prideful to admit they lied or to even address the lies they told i would be happy i they just explained these lies

[Sith Reaper]

zoompooky wrote...

N11 0RD0 wrote...

 Artists have an idea of the finnished product long before the meda gets ahold of it. The fact of the matter is that, like you said, you can't "order a Mass Effect with such and so ending."

Actually, we did order a Mass Effect 3 with such and so ending.

See,
when several BioWare employees, including the Creative Director (i.e.
the guy in charge) state that the ending is "X" , then they are making a
representation of their product... one which we base our purchasing
decisions on.

Before we bought the game (and only a few months prior to release in fact), Casey had things like this to say:

At
this point we’re taking into account so many decisions that you’ve made
as a player and reflecting a lot of that stuff. It’s not even in any
way like the traditional game endings, where you can say how many
endings there are or whether you got ending A, B, or C.

Which of course is completely untrue.  We did in fact get PRECISELY A, B, and C.

It’s
more like there are some really obvious things that are different and
then lots and lots of smaller things, lots of things about who lives and
who dies, civilizations that rose and fell, all the way down to
individual characters. That becomes the state of where you left your
galaxy. The endings have a lot more sophistication and variety in them.

Sophistication and Variety?  They're virtually identical save for color pallette.

So again - they misrepresented their product - and we ordered it based on that misrepresentation.

To
be clear - these aren't blue sky moments, where he's talking
possibilities.  This is from OXM on Jan 11 that he's saying these things
- only a few months before the retail release.

http://www.oxm.co.uk...-sophisticated/

You say that artists have an idea of the finished product long before the media gets ahold of it.  I agree - which makes the above statements by Bioware that much more damaging.  It means they knew that the game wouldn't live up to the claims that they were making in the media, all in the name of sales.

To be fair, I believe the second quote is in reference to the entire game being the "ending," as we did see the rise or fall of the geth, rachni, krogan, quarians, and so on. The "A B C" ending quote, however, would be hard to explain on BioWare's part...

Modifié par Sith Reaper, 07 avril 2012 - 03:53 .

[danielarney]

I think Bioware rush jobed the game and EA probably was behind it. I would gladly have waited another till december for them to release it if it meant that all the plot holes and game play issues as well as the variety of endings like they said there was going to be. I don't like what they have done and I will wait for the dlc to come out to render my final judgement. I hope at least they let you know what happened to the poeple you cared about in the game.

[kbct]

rrtda wrote...

I wasnt very angry with the endings i didnt like them but i wasnt mad but when i looked through old interviews and this vid

i got so pissed i could not stand that they lied this much and now that i got lied to i want them to set it right and not e so prideful to admit they lied or to even address the lies they told i would be happy i they just explained these lies

Well, you should at least take a moment to voice your opinion:

http://social.biowar...11/polls/31441/

[Sarah Knight]

Orkney11 wrote...

Interesting how so many people can't wrap their minds around the simple fact that a corporation is not an artist. It's a COR-PO-RA-TI-ON. And when it comes to the case "corporation vs. it's consumer" there is no room for such notions as "artistic integrity." There is business, and only business. And this is exactly why Bioware is haggling now -- because they can't afford to have their business be ruined. Don't get fooled -- they know the numbers, they know what's at stake. I repeat: BU-SI-NESS.

Another   one that i really  am cracking up about really.   You think That  making  Characters Storyline and the graphics is  not art really? how NAIVE can you really be?
its not  Like Creating  Computers and what not  and Selling  them  to the community/consumers it Takes time for  a game to be "created" its not oh hey here  its done in a day and here you can have it type of thing   Designing  Games like this IS  art whether you believe so or not untill you are actually in the respected Career then   Tell me i am wrong but the thing is if you knew how much time and what you do to make games  you'd learn that their is art  whether you believe  it or not.
Filming   Drawing  Animating   the character  Writing the code and story line then uploading once completed to a factory to mass produce games to be sold world wide  sure  these  companies  are making a profit but they  make profit with their hard work and art   their are MANY  forms of art in the world  whether  you realize it or not.

[poerksen]

Sarah Knight wrote...

poerksen wrote...

Sarah Knight wrote...

poerksen wrote...

Found this comment on the consumerist's website and it is regarding EA winning the Golden Poo award. Anyway it made me laugh.
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Traditionally, the Poo has been delivered on its little red pillow. But this year, we'll give EA three different color options for its pillow, though in the end it's still the same old Poo."

Why not send the poo first, then make them get the pillow as tangible DLC? Charge them for it, too!
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Just because you didn't  get your way doesn't mean you  can blame it  Entirely on EA and bioware  both are Good Companies that make   Great Games who cares if it didn't go your way   or any one elses  the point is to have fun  enjoy the ride or don't play/buy it  at all  or do what most do "listen to friends and other people on feed back about the game then buy it"   but Just because you found this "Lame retarded reward  Ceremony" doesn't mean that ea and bioware doesn't put their customers first when they do but they also  put the other fans that  actualy "liked the ending" in other words a Poll   and more than likely their is more than you complainers  out their that  actually "likes or is okay with it or even  LOVES it"  i'm just saying this  comment you posted isn't worth seeing or even being on here and directed at EA's  and bioware reputation  they  Make their own  Decisions also upon listenting to its consumers  as well  they wouldn't Release the Extended DLC if they never Cared about us  they wouldn't bother working or fixing this game   more than likely the entire bioware and ea staff could just  be with their families and Relax do the things that they themselves would rather enjoy than to be pestured and bothered about people  Damaging the  rep.
if you don't Like it  Just get rid of your copy and remove your account and never buy and ea/bioware game like so many people "threatened" to do.

Problem is, I already bought the game based on false advertising and bogus reviews put up by IGN and gamespot. After playing the game myself, I honestly do not understand the reviewers. The game is clearly inferior in almost every aspect compared to especially ME2, but also ME1. Combat is a little smoother, but that is it. I will never trust another offical review site such as IGN or gamespot. Consumer reviews from now on.

I did not ruin bioware's reputation, they did that themselves and probably with help from EA.
I do not know what happened internally in bioware for them to release a game that clearly does not deliver on what they've promised through advertising and official statements made by the bioware, so yeah I can blame it entirely on them.

So, only people who have something positive to say should be able to post on these forums ? :S If I am an unsatisfied customer I should just leave the forums? That is BS I am here, because I am waiting to see what they will do to remedy the catastrophy that is ME3s ending. If it does not get fixed, then I will not buy anymore of their products and I will remove my account. I promise you that. Until then, I am staying and I will continue to speak my mind, especially in the light of how bioware has handled the situation and lied to its fans, who paid good money for a game on false premises.

If bioware has been listening to their customers, as you say, then they would not release an extended DLC(extra clarification etc.), because that is not what people have been asking for. This is a PR stunt, it does not fix any of the many issues with the game.

No no  not What i am Saying Sweety i'm Just saying that  i  understand the upset Community's  Side but its not biowares Fault  if you did your research on EA  they have a very AWEFUL reputation with every Game company that they bought out   EA's  downfall was how they Treat their customers and how they "design games"  hell Look at  Command and conquer 4  that game  was crappy as hell  that was made by  EA Soley  if bioware did  make a mistake  That was Going into bussiness with EA  and Letting EA handle everything other than  Bioware's own staff.
but they are Releasing   an extended DLC  for the  SP   that wont be out till the Summer i'm just stating  hold  what any one Does Till  bioware releases that Dlc. Sorry if i was Rude or mean in this convo  i am pregnant and i tend to have moodswings  i need to control those better so i'm sorry for how i am  talking here in the forums to those i did upset/hurt

Quite allright and congrats... 
I am giving them a chance to remedy themselves, but I doubt that they will be able to do so with this "Extended Cut" DLC, seeing as it does not address the issues most fans have with the endings.

Additionally, I only posted those comments from the consumerists website, because they were funny, no matter what your oppinion on the endings might be. It was not to purposefully damage bioware's repuation. If I wanted to damage the company's image, then I would be posting on some other website.   

Modifié par poerksen, 07 avril 2012 - 04:00 .

[Jimmy Zhan]

 I'm listenning to Protectors of the Earth, and reading this post.

EPIC.

[Sarah Knight]

poerksen wrote...

Sarah Knight wrote...

poerksen wrote...

Sarah Knight wrote...

poerksen wrote...

Found this comment on the consumerist's website and it is regarding EA winning the Golden Poo award. Anyway it made me laugh.
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Traditionally, the Poo has been delivered on its little red pillow. But this year, we'll give EA three different color options for its pillow, though in the end it's still the same old Poo."

Why not send the poo first, then make them get the pillow as tangible DLC? Charge them for it, too!
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Just because you didn't  get your way doesn't mean you  can blame it  Entirely on EA and bioware  both are Good Companies that make   Great Games who cares if it didn't go your way   or any one elses  the point is to have fun  enjoy the ride or don't play/buy it  at all  or do what most do "listen to friends and other people on feed back about the game then buy it"   but Just because you found this "Lame retarded reward  Ceremony" doesn't mean that ea and bioware doesn't put their customers first when they do but they also  put the other fans that  actualy "liked the ending" in other words a Poll   and more than likely their is more than you complainers  out their that  actually "likes or is okay with it or even  LOVES it"  i'm just saying this  comment you posted isn't worth seeing or even being on here and directed at EA's  and bioware reputation  they  Make their own  Decisions also upon listenting to its consumers  as well  they wouldn't Release the Extended DLC if they never Cared about us  they wouldn't bother working or fixing this game   more than likely the entire bioware and ea staff could just  be with their families and Relax do the things that they themselves would rather enjoy than to be pestured and bothered about people  Damaging the  rep.
if you don't Like it  Just get rid of your copy and remove your account and never buy and ea/bioware game like so many people "threatened" to do.

Problem is, I already bought the game based on false advertising and bogus reviews put up by IGN and gamespot. After playing the game myself, I honestly do not understand the reviewers. The game is clearly inferior in almost every aspect compared to especially ME2, but also ME1. Combat is a little smoother, but that is it. I will never trust another offical review site such as IGN or gamespot. Consumer reviews from now on.

I did not ruin bioware's reputation, they did that themselves and probably with help from EA.
I do not know what happened internally in bioware for them to release a game that clearly does not deliver on what they've promised through advertising and official statements made by the bioware, so yeah I can blame it entirely on them.

So, only people who have something positive to say should be able to post on these forums ? :S If I am an unsatisfied customer I should just leave the forums? That is BS I am here, because I am waiting to see what they will do to remedy the catastrophy that is ME3s ending. If it does not get fixed, then I will not buy anymore of their products and I will remove my account. I promise you that. Until then, I am staying and I will continue to speak my mind, especially in the light of how bioware has handled the situation and lied to its fans, who paid good money for a game on false premises.

If bioware has been listening to their customers, as you say, then they would not release an extended DLC(extra clarification etc.), because that is not what people have been asking for. This is a PR stunt, it does not fix any of the many issues with the game.

No no  not What i am Saying Sweety i'm Just saying that  i  understand the upset Community's  Side but its not biowares Fault  if you did your research on EA  they have a very AWEFUL reputation with every Game company that they bought out   EA's  downfall was how they Treat their customers and how they "design games"  hell Look at  Command and conquer 4  that game  was crappy as hell  that was made by  EA Soley  if bioware did  make a mistake  That was Going into bussiness with EA  and Letting EA handle everything other than  Bioware's own staff.
but they are Releasing   an extended DLC  for the  SP   that wont be out till the Summer i'm just stating  hold  what any one Does Till  bioware releases that Dlc. Sorry if i was Rude or mean in this convo  i am pregnant and i tend to have moodswings  i need to control those better so i'm sorry for how i am  talking here in the forums to those i did upset/hurt

Quite allright and congrats... 
I am giving them a chance to remedy themselves, but I doubt that they will be able to do so with this "Extended Cut" DLC, seeing as it does not address the issues most fans have with the endings.

Additionally, I only posted those comments from the consumerists website, because they were funny, no matter what your oppinion on the endings might be. It was not to purposefully damage bioware's repuation. If I wanted to damage the company's image, then I would be posting on some other website.   

Thank you and understandable i do feel for the community but i don't think its biowares Fault Sure they "announced the ending" but the thing i think happened was  that  the person who "leaked" the information to every one else   had Set the company back a big  way  so they probably at the last minute  changed the ending and kept the way that they thought wouldn't be the wrong choice because of the person "leaking" the ending   which i think would ruin it for most gamers before hand  it ruined it for me when i knew of the ending in my opinion i do agree with their decision but they should of also  Kept the old one and just added to it so that the person "wouldn't be entirely correct" on how it ended.

and if you wish to be friends go ahead and send it my way  and again sorry  >_<

[Venturisection]

A) What happened to the feedback thread
The Ending is terrible and expanding on it serves no purpose other than to hide from the fact you can't be bothered to fix it and you messed up the whole game.
C) You've lost a fan.

[Orkney11]

Sarah Knight,

how naive should YOU be to be saying that. You yourself just described the process of making a product, and that product is not for a gallery where people can look at it. No, no, it's primarily for profit. It is art alright, art of a bunch of people who create a story, but they alone are not a corporation. THey are getting payed for their work, and they will write what their CEOs tell them to write. This has nothing to do with artistic integrity. We're talking numbers here. The only reason a corporation would change something is because it knows that its profits are in danger. Or do you really believe that a corporation cares about your feelings? Now, THAT is NAIVE.

Modifié par Orkney11, 07 avril 2012 - 04:27 .

[Sarah Knight]

Orkney11 wrote...

Sarah Knight,

how naive should YOU be to be saying that. You yourself just described the process of making a product, and that product is not for a gallery where people can look at it. No, no, it's primarily for profit. It is art alright, art of a bunch of people who create a story, but they alone are not a corporation. We're talking numbers here. The only reason they would change something is because they know that their profits are in danger. Or do you really believe that a corporation cares about your feelings?

If you werent so blind on Seeing that EA was the worst  company that  bioware to go into developement  with and  you being "BLIND" as a newborn pup  to  the fact that  art is in MANY FORMS Whether its Gaming or in a gallrery or on some one elses lawn or in their bedrooms or on their walls  whats next your  going to say that Every language is the same? That we all should believe in your  Ideals?  Believe What you want but  i know that for a fact that EA was the one who Said screw you Look at their Reputation on  GOOGLE but then again your probably  going to state that  Reputation or some crap is all about  profits.
 i EXPLAINED the way that its made because i was pointing out the fact that Each of the parts i explained are part of art and productivity that it takes putting into a game Designing it to the way that they saw it in their minds the art that it takes to creat these games goes Far beyond your understanding it seems  because you obviously seem to like to flame at people just because i proved you wrong  and honestly i can't  Decide whether thats funny or sad  but i honestly  think that its pathetic that you pick on some one just because you think that Bioware is in it for the profit   EA is obviously in it for profits but i know Bioware enough to accurately  place my faith in it  since their First game ever released  they took my words nand opinions and  the consumers to heart.

EA on the other hand Does not Care about their customers or Employees  you can see that clearly on Google with  what the reports Say about them but honestly i don't really  give a damn what EA's Rep is  i just wished that they  treat their customers and employees better and listen for once but that is on a whole new level for them so it seems.

but bioware is one of the most   respectful companies that i  am proud to put my faith and respect into  but Ea has a little of mine due to some of the games that i did like  that they made "dragon age origins awakening  and dragon age 2" some of the games i like but still  Don't Flame at me because you wer proven Wrong sweety  i'm done Arguing  over this  Since it takes an imbecile  and a moron to flame some one just because they don't know or like how the game ended Good Day enjoy your pettyful life i'm done here.

[Beti88]

Holy stew PAX was a joke! Why did they only choose IGN questioners?

Everything they said was: "We don't care, we're the artists, we know better."

[danielarney]

I think those of us that are unhappy with bioware/EA we need to just stop responding to their posts stop playing the game just stop doing anything that has to do with bioware and not buy the next big bioware game and then see what happens. But that probably won't happen but as for me this is my last post they have made their decistion and I have made mine, Good luck to you all what ever your stance.

[HowlinAlan]

 Truly sad. Complete boycott of EA/Bioware is in order. Hit them hard, in the pocketbook. The one and only thing they will LISTEN to.

[Gatt9]

Sarah Knight wrote...

Orkney11 wrote...

Interesting how so many people can't wrap their minds around the simple fact that a corporation is not an artist. It's a COR-PO-RA-TI-ON. And when it comes to the case "corporation vs. it's consumer" there is no room for such notions as "artistic integrity." There is business, and only business. And this is exactly why Bioware is haggling now -- because they can't afford to have their business be ruined. Don't get fooled -- they know the numbers, they know what's at stake. I repeat: BU-SI-NESS.

Another   one that i really  am cracking up about really.   You think That  making  Characters Storyline and the graphics is  not art really? how NAIVE can you really be?
its not  Like Creating  Computers and what not  and Selling  them  to the community/consumers it Takes time for  a game to be "created" its not oh hey here  its done in a day and here you can have it type of thing   Designing  Games like this IS  art whether you believe so or not untill you are actually in the respected Career then   Tell me i am wrong but the thing is if you knew how much time and what you do to make games  you'd learn that their is art  whether you believe  it or not.
Filming   Drawing  Animating   the character  Writing the code and story line then uploading once completed to a factory to mass produce games to be sold world wide  sure  these  companies  are making a profit but they  make profit with their hard work and art   their are MANY  forms of art in the world  whether  you realize it or not.

You shouldn't be cracking up,  he's right.

The whole "Art!" arguement falls apart on the basis that EA is a company owned by shareholders whose primary interest is in growing revenues,  not creating works of art.  Once you come to understand all of the ramifications of that fact,  you realize that there is no "Art" in the process.  Just a carefully calculated buisness plan meant to maximize revenues through any possible avenue.

If you want to use the "Art" arguement,  you'll need to go to the open source community and it's products.  Otherwise,  the "Art" arguement immediately falls flat on the fact that the intention is revenue,  not art.

[Mole267]

Intervention1 wrote...

I'm cautiously optimistic about this. I don't necessarily want a different ending...
I just want to know that it was all worth it. Was my final choice really the right one? Nothing about the ending scene I saw indicated that it really was the right choice.

I think I just need to see a little more of what happens next.
Bring on summer.

They aren't changing the endings. They're adding more stuff to it, so it will "make sense." They've admitted that the ending has plot holes, and that's all they're fixing. So just expect the exact same cutscenes, just with the plot holes fixed.

[The Fighting Monk]

This is why I never buy games when they are first released and why I haven't bought ME3(it's also why I never buy games based on reviews from G4,IGN etc). Through the Mass Effect development you have specifically promised multiple endings that were a result of our decisions. Remember the "16 different endings" you spoke about in an interview? What happened to that?
You didn't listen to your fans/customers concerns about DragonAge2 and that flopped so now you are repeating the process in this fiasco. As far as I'm concerned you can keep your "free-dlc" as it's useless to me because I'm not buying your game anyways. Like many others, I used to love Bioware but now you're nothing but a disappointment.

[kbct]

HowlinAlan wrote...

 Truly sad. Complete boycott of EA/Bioware is in order. Hit them hard, in the pocketbook. The one and only thing they will LISTEN to.

Instead of hold the line, you could hold the dime:

http://social.biowar.../index/11036313

[N11 0RD0]

zoompooky wrote...

You say that artists have an idea of the finished product long before the media gets ahold of it.  I agree - which makes the above statements by Bioware that much more damaging.  It means they knew that the game wouldn't live up to the claims that they were making in the media, all in the name of sales.

I "do" agree that the picture given to us about the game was missleading for sure, but I still stand behind the knowledge that the game is made and created by people who know where they are going with it. Unfortunately, the people in front of the camera telling the world about the game didn't have all the facts straight. If they get something wrong, blast, it proves they are human too, but I don't see any reason for them to rebuild the ending because someone said spoke missinformation about something they hoped would come to fruition. Casey thought that was where the project was going, and he was wrong, but typing it over and over again, doesn't make those false claims any truer.

I actually was happy with the ending, it really made me sit and think about the decision I was going to make and who it would ultimately effect. I also feel as some people have already stated that the whole game was Shepards final fare well to his team/friends. So the ending really didn't surprise me at all. Although I have found a liking to the fan proclaimed "Indoctrination theory" It's actually plausable and adds an interesting spin on "Paragon" option. As for me, I'm still going to be playing Mass Effect for awhile because I love the universe and all it's characters. I'm starting ME1 over right now and making different choices, anxiously awaiting to see how different the 2nd and third game are. I know the endings, but I cant wait to see the content leading up to those endings.

[Sarah Knight]

Gatt9 wrote...

Sarah Knight wrote...

Orkney11 wrote...

Interesting how so many people can't wrap their minds around the simple fact that a corporation is not an artist. It's a COR-PO-RA-TI-ON. And when it comes to the case "corporation vs. it's consumer" there is no room for such notions as "artistic integrity." There is business, and only business. And this is exactly why Bioware is haggling now -- because they can't afford to have their business be ruined. Don't get fooled -- they know the numbers, they know what's at stake. I repeat: BU-SI-NESS.

Another   one that i really  am cracking up about really.   You think That  making  Characters Storyline and the graphics is  not art really? how NAIVE can you really be?
its not  Like Creating  Computers and what not  and Selling  them  to the community/consumers it Takes time for  a game to be "created" its not oh hey here  its done in a day and here you can have it type of thing   Designing  Games like this IS  art whether you believe so or not untill you are actually in the respected Career then   Tell me i am wrong but the thing is if you knew how much time and what you do to make games  you'd learn that their is art  whether you believe  it or not.
Filming   Drawing  Animating   the character  Writing the code and story line then uploading once completed to a factory to mass produce games to be sold world wide  sure  these  companies  are making a profit but they  make profit with their hard work and art   their are MANY  forms of art in the world  whether  you realize it or not.

You shouldn't be cracking up,  he's right.

The whole "Art!" arguement falls apart on the basis that EA is a company owned by shareholders whose primary interest is in growing revenues,  not creating works of art.  Once you come to understand all of the ramifications of that fact,  you realize that there is no "Art" in the process.  Just a carefully calculated buisness plan meant to maximize revenues through any possible avenue.

If you want to use the "Art" arguement,  you'll need to go to the open source community and it's products.  Otherwise,  the "Art" arguement immediately falls flat on the fact that the intention is revenue,  not art.

Gatt i wasn't Defending  "EA"  Ea i couldn't give a damn about thats why i hate them with a passion but i still Respect them regardless  but the one  i was Defending all along  was BIOWARE NOT  EA  Get it straight   and The art Factor doesn't Fall Flat look at the games    Design one yourself i gaurantee you that you'll get a garbage game that isn't half as good  as an actual Video game that as high end graphics  but the point is  Bioware has Talent  the one that really Screwed bioware over as i told multiple people was EA  but honestly  Enough about the God damn ending  really  all you people Do is  complain and cry  and tell them to change it  Really  who cares if theirs missing plot holes its just a game where you can have fun and relax not pick out something that they made a minor mistake on cause of some bimbo released the ending by mistake  and ruined it for every one else.
 As i stated to Ork  i am Done arguing with people who Don't understand how many types of art their is in this world Good day enjoy your  little  sherade that you two seem to like doing.

[GracefulChicken]

Well... not exactly what I was hoping for. But I'm not ungrateful, and I'll take free where I can get free. Sad to see the ME franchise end on such a ****ty note, but hopefully this bit can salvage some of the remaining goodness. Truthfully, I'm glad something was done at all, even if it wasn't what I would've chosen myself.

And why are people still having this "art" argument? The medium itself is art. How it is sold is not art. It's like how movies are art... but GE is paying for it all, essentially. And GE is making military weaponary, they dont give a **** about art. Bioware is the director making art. EA is GE funding art for business. But the game itself is art... that's really not even debateable in any serious fashion at all.

Modifié par GracefulChicken, 07 avril 2012 - 05:19 .

[Gatt9]

Sarah Knight wrote...

Gatt9 wrote...

Sarah Knight wrote...

Orkney11 wrote...

Interesting how so many people can't wrap their minds around the simple fact that a corporation is not an artist. It's a COR-PO-RA-TI-ON. And when it comes to the case "corporation vs. it's consumer" there is no room for such notions as "artistic integrity." There is business, and only business. And this is exactly why Bioware is haggling now -- because they can't afford to have their business be ruined. Don't get fooled -- they know the numbers, they know what's at stake. I repeat: BU-SI-NESS.

Another   one that i really  am cracking up about really.   You think That  making  Characters Storyline and the graphics is  not art really? how NAIVE can you really be?
its not  Like Creating  Computers and what not  and Selling  them  to the community/consumers it Takes time for  a game to be "created" its not oh hey here  its done in a day and here you can have it type of thing   Designing  Games like this IS  art whether you believe so or not untill you are actually in the respected Career then   Tell me i am wrong but the thing is if you knew how much time and what you do to make games  you'd learn that their is art  whether you believe  it or not.
Filming   Drawing  Animating   the character  Writing the code and story line then uploading once completed to a factory to mass produce games to be sold world wide  sure  these  companies  are making a profit but they  make profit with their hard work and art   their are MANY  forms of art in the world  whether  you realize it or not.

You shouldn't be cracking up,  he's right.

The whole "Art!" arguement falls apart on the basis that EA is a company owned by shareholders whose primary interest is in growing revenues,  not creating works of art.  Once you come to understand all of the ramifications of that fact,  you realize that there is no "Art" in the process.  Just a carefully calculated buisness plan meant to maximize revenues through any possible avenue.

If you want to use the "Art" arguement,  you'll need to go to the open source community and it's products.  Otherwise,  the "Art" arguement immediately falls flat on the fact that the intention is revenue,  not art.

Gatt i wasn't Defending  "EA"  Ea i couldn't give a damn about thats why i hate them with a passion but i still Respect them regardless  but the one  i was Defending all along  was BIOWARE NOT  EA  Get it straight   and The art Factor doesn't Fall Flat look at the games    Design one yourself i gaurantee you that you'll get a garbage game that isn't half as good  as an actual Video game that as high end graphics  but the point is  Bioware has Talent  the one that really Screwed bioware over as i told multiple people was EA  but honestly  Enough about the God damn ending  really  all you people Do is  complain and cry  and tell them to change it  Really  who cares if theirs missing plot holes its just a game where you can have fun and relax not pick out something that they made a minor mistake on cause of some bimbo released the ending by mistake  and ruined it for every one else.
 As i stated to Ork  i am Done arguing with people who Don't understand how many types of art their is in this world Good day enjoy your  little  sherade that you two seem to like doing.

Bioware doesn't exist.  Bioware was bought several years ago by EA,  and now they are EA.  You're setting up a false arguement by trying to create a difference between the two when there isn't one.  Bioware is a brand name EA places upon the Non-Sports divisions,  as demonstrated by all of the studios they bought and labeled "Bioware" last year.

The script thing is also a false arguement.  Game studios don't rewrite the games because of a leak,  as was demonstrated multiple times over the last few years with builds being leaked early.  It costs more to rewrite a game due to a leak than they would lose if they stay the course and release. 

The ending is the way it is because the intent was to end on a "Cliffhanger",  and they thought it would lead into near 100% sell through of post release DLC that implements the real ending,  which is itself a setup for ME4.  I'm pretty sure I already know what the planned stories are...

-Shepherd is indoctrinated!  It was all a dream and he just opened the gate for the reapers to actually enter the universe!
-Ashley/Kaiden must stop Shepherd either through saving him or killing him! (Hence their unearned promotion to Spectre status,  to start edging them to center stage)
-ME4,  the Reapers really are here!  Ashley/Kaiden must stop them!

This never had anything to do with the script leak,  and always had everything to do with post release DLC and setting up ME4 since EA thought it would be a ongoing brand.  Sadly,  their exploitation of gamers killed the Bioware brand entirely,  and likely killed EA as well.

[Mole267]

EA's probably got enough money to buy a fleet of private jets. I'm sure they aren't worried one bit. They'll liquidate BioWare in a heartbeat if it comes to it, just like they did all those other developers in the past.

Modifié par Mole267, 07 avril 2012 - 05:20 .

[hubbardray]

[quote]What can fans expect from the Extended Cut DLC?
For fans who want more closure in Mass Effect 3, the DLC will offer extended scenes that provide additional context and deeper insight to the conclusion of Commander Shepard's journey.[/quote]
Umm, small problem. The issue 95% of fans(or whatever it is now, I haven't seen the poll in a while)have isn't that there isn't enough closure; its the plot holes the size of the Citadel. Its that nothing you do in the entire series matters in the end. Its the pallette swaps being the only difference between endings. Its the ******* space magic that feels like you threw it in there just to ****** people off.

[quote]Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?
No. BioWare strongly believes in the team's artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.[/quote]
So basically, instead of admitting that you screwed up and giving the fans the product that was promised and advertised, you are giving us a pointless DLC that none of the fans(not even the ones that liked the endings) want. And then you use the "artistic vision" excuse to try and cover it up.

[quote]What is BioWare adding to the ending with the Extended Cut DLC?
BioWare will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences. The goal of these new scenes is to provide additional clarity and closure to Mass Effect 3.[/quote]
If we wanted additional clarity in the ending, we would go put a turd under a microscope.

[quote]When will the Extended Cut DLC be available?
Currently the Extended Cut DLC is planned for this summer, no specific date has been announced at this point.[/quote]
Its going to take a lot more than a few months to fix just the plotholes. Well, I suppose thats not 100% true; it would take a lot more to not just fill the holes with more plotholes and nonsense.

[quote]Though we remain committed and are proud of the artistic choices we made in the main game[/quote]
Oh look, that word again: "artistic". Hey, let me get some definitions of artistic for you:
1. conforming to the standards of art; satisfying aesthetic requirements: artistic productions.
-Well, I think its safe to say the ending did NOT satisfy the aesthetic requirements of the fans, or your advertising.
2. showing skill or excellence in execution: artistic workmanship.
-Oh look, a definition that isn't based on opinion. Surely the ending meets that requirement! Oh, right, plotholes...
3. exhibiting taste, discriminating judgment, or sensitivity: an artistic arrangement of flowers; artistic handling of a delicate diplomatic situation.
-The only thing tasteful near the ending was a-certain-good-guy-who-isn't-Shepard dying.

Bioware, its fine to be proud of something, if its something to be proud of. The ending was not.

[quote]we are aware that there are some fans who would like more closure to Mass Effect 3.[/quote]
See my first comment in the post.

[quote]The goal of the DLC is not to provide a new ending to the game[/quote]
So the goal isn't to please the fans. You guys do realize that pissing of your consumers multiple times generally is a no-no for businesses, right?

[quote]rather to offer fans additional context and answers to the end of Commander Shepard's story.[/quote]
Even though nobody wanted "additional context".

[quote]So there you have it. Are we proud of the game we made and the team that made it? Hell yes.[/quote]
Well, I suppose that if 5 year olds can be proud of macaroni art, its only fair that you be proud of this. Actually, no, its not fair; there is some very nice macaroni art out, but the same can't be said for the endings.

[quote]Do we appreciate the passion and listen to the feedback delivered to us by our fans? Very much so and we are responding.[/quote]
And you have become the perfect example of me in my German class; I can listen, but that doesn't mean I comprehend. Oh, and your response is more condescending and ignorant than when David Silverman posted a tweet that, in a nutshell, called the fans autistic.

[quote]Summer is coming...[/quote]
Oh, and it can't come soon enough. Hopefully some game between now and Sept. 18 will help rinse the foul taste of ME3 away before Borderlands 2 is released.

Modifié par hubbardray, 07 avril 2012 - 05:25 .