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[mannyclouds]

N11 0RD0 wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Game design is not a restaurant! You did not 'order a Mass Effect 3, with such and so ending'! This is exactly the weird kind of entitlement people berate you for!
It is also not a commission! You're paying for a finished product. In fact, you're paying VERY LITTLE for what is years of the developers' life!

Exactly! No one ever hears of a writer of a vast year spanning series asking readers "so, what do you want to happen in the next book?" Artists have an idea of the finnished product long before the meda gets ahold of it. The fact of the matter is that, like you said, you can't "order a Mass Effect with such and so ending."

ok lkets through out this hypo thetical then say there is this tv show that had a ready made following that backed it for ten years loved every episode loved all the characters after all these years develop a emotional attachment to the characters. then after ten years they change every thing they get rid of the old characters, get rid of the old settings and make the show unrekognisable to the fan base. Now the fan base turns "around and say hey this isn't my show what happened i don't like this turn it back."

the writers say "no this is my artistic vision if you don't like it don't watch." so they don't and it doesnt take off mainstream

what do you think happens to the series?

[Teh Tux]

Sarah Knight wrote...

Just because you didn't  get your way doesn't mean you  can blame it  Entirely on EA and bioware  both are Good Companies that make   Great Games who cares if it didn't go your way   or any one elses  the point is to have fun  enjoy the ride or don't play/buy it  at all  or do what most do "listen to friends and other people on feed back about the game then buy it"   but Just because you found this "Lame retarded reward  Ceremony" doesn't mean that ea and bioware doesn't put their customers first when they do but they also  put the other fans that  actualy "liked the ending" in other words a Poll   and more than likely their is more than you complainers  out their that  actually "likes or is okay with it or even  LOVES it"  i'm just saying this  comment you posted isn't worth seeing or even being on here and directed at EA's  and bioware reputation  they  Make their own  Decisions also upon listenting to its consumers  as well  they wouldn't Release the Extended DLC if they never Cared about us  they wouldn't bother working or fixing this game   more than likely the entire bioware and ea staff could just  be with their families and Relax do the things that they themselves would rather enjoy than to be pestured and bothered about people  Damaging the  rep.
if you don't Like it  Just get rid of your copy and remove your account and never buy and ea/bioware game like so many people "threatened" to do.

EA? A good company?

BWAHAHAHAHAH.

They've been rated the worst company in the industry in terms of treatment of staff (18 hour days on minimum wage in 2004), not to mention have a habit for shutting down studios that don't quite make enough money. (RIP Pandemic)

Bioware was a great studio in my eyes until the trainwreck of Dragon Age 2. Thats when either:
A) The QA teams all suffered from strokes and got replaced by EA drones
EA  implanted control chips into everyone's brains
C) EA decided that anything with the words "Bioware" on it would sell amazingly, so rushed their games out the door ASAP and made new studios that have no relation to Bioware, and called them "Bioware North" or something (C&C Generals 2, an RTS, being made by Bioware.)

So yeah. EA is hardly a nice company.

[Sarah Knight]

Teh Tux wrote...

Sarah Knight wrote...

Just because you didn't  get your way doesn't mean you  can blame it  Entirely on EA and bioware  both are Good Companies that make   Great Games who cares if it didn't go your way   or any one elses  the point is to have fun  enjoy the ride or don't play/buy it  at all  or do what most do "listen to friends and other people on feed back about the game then buy it"   but Just because you found this "Lame retarded reward  Ceremony" doesn't mean that ea and bioware doesn't put their customers first when they do but they also  put the other fans that  actualy "liked the ending" in other words a Poll   and more than likely their is more than you complainers  out their that  actually "likes or is okay with it or even  LOVES it"  i'm just saying this  comment you posted isn't worth seeing or even being on here and directed at EA's  and bioware reputation  they  Make their own  Decisions also upon listenting to its consumers  as well  they wouldn't Release the Extended DLC if they never Cared about us  they wouldn't bother working or fixing this game   more than likely the entire bioware and ea staff could just  be with their families and Relax do the things that they themselves would rather enjoy than to be pestured and bothered about people  Damaging the  rep.
if you don't Like it  Just get rid of your copy and remove your account and never buy and ea/bioware game like so many people "threatened" to do.

EA? A good company?

BWAHAHAHAHAH.

They've been rated the worst company in the industry in terms of treatment of staff (18 hour days on minimum wage in 2004), not to mention have a habit for shutting down studios that don't quite make enough money. (RIP Pandemic)

Bioware was a great studio in my eyes until the trainwreck of Dragon Age 2. Thats when either:
A) The QA teams all suffered from strokes and got replaced by EA drones
EA  implanted control chips into everyone's brains
C) EA decided that anything with the words "Bioware" on it would sell amazingly, so rushed their games out the door ASAP and made new studios that have no relation to Bioware, and called them "Bioware North" or something (C&C Generals 2, an RTS, being made by Bioware.)

So yeah. EA is hardly a nice company.

Flame all you want  the only thing that you and a few people on this thread proved that you guys are the biggest idiots on the forums   to flame at some one for their opinion  you guys Can rant  flame andScrew each other for All i care
But  EA did make a few good games  but the thing was is that if they learned to listen like you Pendajo's don't know how to  hence ORK  and Gatt  you'd understand my point  but no you guys are soo stupid i  have to assign    a translator for a mear homeles bum  that doesn't understand basic concept   and the events of the world.

you guys  reallly Need to get a life  if you want to go FLAME at some one Flame at some one Who  Gives a damn about you   Cause honestly  if i had my way none of you would see the light of tomorrow  but i'm not that reckless to do so  because i have a life unlike you 3 flaming at me because i voiced my opinion   and really Pandemic? that company was so much fail i litterally wanted to cut my eyes out and go   Cut myself thats how bad that game company Sucked hardcore  in my opinion i'm proud of Ea for shutting them down  they Deserved it  i would of done the same damn thing that they did but this is the only comment you  3 flamers will see me responding to you  good day enjoy your life and i hope you don't Get Shot on the way out 

[N11 0RD0]

Agree completely.

Sarah Knight wrote...
Design [a game] yourself, i gaurantee you that you'll get a garbage game that isn't half as good as an actual Video game that as high end graphics The point is that "Bioware has Talent", the one that really Screwed bioware over...was EA. Enough about the ending...really...all you people do is complain and cry and tell them to change it.  Really...its just a game where you can have fun and relax.
 

The sad part abou all of this mess, isn't the plot holes or errors in marketing before the release of the game. The true sad part about this whole issue is that games are suppose to get you away from your worries and troubles of the day, to give you a vehicle to "get away" from your everyday life and exist in someone elses world for a few hours. They exist to get your mind off all the peoblems you see openly in your life everyday, but in turn, what I 'm starting to see is now everyone just brings their cinical perspective to every part of their life, and they have no true means to relax.

If they cant bash a game, then they will get on the game's site and bash other people for not interpreting something the same. Or they will nit pick every flaw, big and small, out of a game so that they can feel that whoever made this game is somehow "not as great as them". But the reality of the whole "art" topic it this: Art isn't perfect, no matter how great the artist thinks his work is, he will always find flaws in his "own" work, and others looking at the work will have their "own" opinion on other flaws they find and other strengths they find. Someone made the correlation to the Mona Lisa earlier, and in all reality that painting, no matter how perfect, has flaws. but at the time, no one would dare speak poorly about the greatest artist of its time.

All this to say, if you play games and find yourself consistently becoming cinical about all the details and everything, perhaps you should go find something else to do with your time. Games are just stories that are told through our fingertips, much like movies are stories put in action on the screen. Take it for what it's worth, it's a story, and "you are not the writer", you are simply allowed the oppertunity to participate. You can come and go as you please.

[Sarah Knight]

N11 0RD0 wrote...

Agree completely.

Sarah Knight wrote...
Design [a game] yourself, i gaurantee you that you'll get a garbage game that isn't half as good as an actual Video game that as high end graphics The point is that "Bioware has Talent", the one that really Screwed bioware over...was EA. Enough about the ending...really...all you people do is complain and cry and tell them to change it.  Really...its just a game where you can have fun and relax.
 

The sad part abou all of this mess, isn't the plot holes or errors in marketing before the release of the game. The true sad part about this whole issue is that games are suppose to get you away from your worries and troubles of the day, to give you a vehicle to "get away" from your everyday life and exist in someone elses world for a few hours. They exist to get your mind off all the peoblems you see openly in your life everyday, but in turn, what I 'm starting to see is now everyone just brings their cinical perspective to every part of their life, and they have no true means to relax.

If they cant bash a game, then they will get on the game's site and bash other people for not interpreting something the same. Or they will nit pick every flaw, big and small, out of a game so that they can feel that whoever made this game is somehow "not as great as them". But the reality of the whole "art" topic it this: Art isn't perfect, no matter how great the artist thinks his work is, he will always find flaws in his "own" work, and others looking at the work will have their "own" opinion on other flaws they find and other strengths they find. Someone made the correlation to the Mona Lisa earlier, and in all reality that painting, no matter how perfect, has flaws. but at the time, no one would dare speak poorly about the greatest artist of its time.

All this to say, if you play games and find yourself consistently becoming cinical about all the details and everything, perhaps you should go find something else to do with your time. Games are just stories that are told through our fingertips, much like movies are stories put in action on the screen. Take it for what it's worth, it's a story, and "you are not the writer", you are simply allowed the oppertunity to participate. You can come and go as you please.

i Agree completely with this Ordo  you have a way with words unlike me Lol...  but i do agree and i was trying to get what you said across to those that "flamed" me just because i was stating my opinion and proving to them this very reason  so in my opinion thank you for "quoting and puting it in a way i couldn't really do myself" lawl >_< but yes i agree i posted one last one to those that are doing as you sated "nit picking and flaming " cause of me pointing it out >_<

[Thanatos144]

mannyclouds wrote...

N11 0RD0 wrote...

Ryokun1989 wrote...

Game design is not a restaurant! You did not 'order a Mass Effect 3, with such and so ending'! This is exactly the weird kind of entitlement people berate you for!
It is also not a commission! You're paying for a finished product. In fact, you're paying VERY LITTLE for what is years of the developers' life!

Exactly! No one ever hears of a writer of a vast year spanning series asking readers "so, what do you want to happen in the next book?" Artists have an idea of the finnished product long before the meda gets ahold of it. The fact of the matter is that, like you said, you can't "order a Mass Effect with such and so ending."

ok lkets through out this hypo thetical then say there is this tv show that had a ready made following that backed it for ten years loved every episode loved all the characters after all these years develop a emotional attachment to the characters. then after ten years they change every thing they get rid of the old characters, get rid of the old settings and make the show unrekognisable to the fan base. Now the fan base turns "around and say hey this isn't my show what happened i don't like this turn it back."

the writers say "no this is my artistic vision if you don't like it don't watch." so they don't and it doesnt take off mainstream

what do you think happens to the series?

seeing this is the last game in a trilogy I am not thinking they are worried about the sequals......

[mannyclouds]

N11 0RD0 wrote...

Agree completely.

Sarah Knight wrote...
Design [a game] yourself, i gaurantee you that you'll get a garbage game that isn't half as good as an actual Video game that as high end graphics The point is that "Bioware has Talent", the one that really Screwed bioware over...was EA. Enough about the ending...really...all you people do is complain and cry and tell them to change it.  Really...its just a game where you can have fun and relax.
 

The sad part abou all of this mess, isn't the plot holes or errors in marketing before the release of the game. The true sad part about this whole issue is that games are suppose to get you away from your worries and troubles of the day, to give you a vehicle to "get away" from your everyday life and exist in someone elses world for a few hours. They exist to get your mind off all the peoblems you see openly in your life everyday, but in turn, what I 'm starting to see is now everyone just brings their cinical perspective to every part of their life, and they have no true means to relax.

If they cant bash a game, then they will get on the game's site and bash other people for not interpreting something the same. Or they will nit pick every flaw, big and small, out of a game so that they can feel that whoever made this game is somehow "not as great as them". But the reality of the whole "art" topic it this: Art isn't perfect, no matter how great the artist thinks his work is, he will always find flaws in his "own" work, and others looking at the work will have their "own" opinion on other flaws they find and other strengths they find. Someone made the correlation to the Mona Lisa earlier, and in all reality that painting, no matter how perfect, has flaws. but at the time, no one would dare speak poorly about the greatest artist of its time.

All this to say, if you play games and find yourself consistently becoming cinical about all the details and everything, perhaps you should go find something else to do with your time. Games are just stories that are told through our fingertips, much like movies are stories put in action on the screen. Take it for what it's worth, it's a story, and "you are not the writer", you are simply allowed the oppertunity to participate. You can come and go as you please.

no one would questin the greatest artist of the time? leo was attacked and discreadited by the church, he was shunnde by all but the nobles who clould afford to buy his paintings, his true love inventing, lay largely hidden they are only just no discovering things about the human body the he already knew. if no one questioned him said knowledge would be common knowlegde. and yes games a stories and some encluding mass effect were wonderful stories but wonderful stories will still fall prey to plot holes. a good story will always be consistant taking into account events of previous chapters, how do you think people would have felt if at the end of return of the jedi it is suddenly revealed that the death star has a living ai on it and it's some how controling the sith?

[Thanatos144]

mannyclouds wrote...

N11 0RD0 wrote...

Agree completely.

Sarah Knight wrote...
Design [a game] yourself, i gaurantee you that you'll get a garbage game that isn't half as good as an actual Video game that as high end graphics The point is that "Bioware has Talent", the one that really Screwed bioware over...was EA. Enough about the ending...really...all you people do is complain and cry and tell them to change it.  Really...its just a game where you can have fun and relax.
 

The sad part abou all of this mess, isn't the plot holes or errors in marketing before the release of the game. The true sad part about this whole issue is that games are suppose to get you away from your worries and troubles of the day, to give you a vehicle to "get away" from your everyday life and exist in someone elses world for a few hours. They exist to get your mind off all the peoblems you see openly in your life everyday, but in turn, what I 'm starting to see is now everyone just brings their cinical perspective to every part of their life, and they have no true means to relax.

If they cant bash a game, then they will get on the game's site and bash other people for not interpreting something the same. Or they will nit pick every flaw, big and small, out of a game so that they can feel that whoever made this game is somehow "not as great as them". But the reality of the whole "art" topic it this: Art isn't perfect, no matter how great the artist thinks his work is, he will always find flaws in his "own" work, and others looking at the work will have their "own" opinion on other flaws they find and other strengths they find. Someone made the correlation to the Mona Lisa earlier, and in all reality that painting, no matter how perfect, has flaws. but at the time, no one would dare speak poorly about the greatest artist of its time.

All this to say, if you play games and find yourself consistently becoming cinical about all the details and everything, perhaps you should go find something else to do with your time. Games are just stories that are told through our fingertips, much like movies are stories put in action on the screen. Take it for what it's worth, it's a story, and "you are not the writer", you are simply allowed the oppertunity to participate. You can come and go as you please.

no one would questin the greatest artist of the time? leo was attacked and discreadited by the church, he was shunnde by all but the nobles who clould afford to buy his paintings, his true love inventing, lay largely hidden they are only just no discovering things about the human body the he already knew. if no one questioned him said knowledge would be common knowlegde. and yes games a stories and some encluding mass effect were wonderful stories but wonderful stories will still fall prey to plot holes. a good story will always be consistant taking into account events of previous chapters, how do you think people would have felt if at the end of return of the jedi it is suddenly revealed that the death star has a living ai on it and it's some how controling the sith?

Where storm troopers machines like the reapers?

[mannyclouds]

mannyclouds wrote...

N11 0RD0 wrote...

Agree completely.

Sarah Knight wrote...
Design [a game] yourself, i gaurantee you that you'll get a garbage game that isn't half as good as an actual Video game that as high end graphics The point is that "Bioware has Talent", the one that really Screwed bioware over...was EA. Enough about the ending...really...all you people do is complain and cry and tell them to change it.  Really...its just a game where you can have fun and relax.
 

The sad part abou all of this mess, isn't the plot holes or errors in marketing before the release of the game. The true sad part about this whole issue is that games are suppose to get you away from your worries and troubles of the day, to give you a vehicle to "get away" from your everyday life and exist in someone elses world for a few hours. They exist to get your mind off all the peoblems you see openly in your life everyday, but in turn, what I 'm starting to see is now everyone just brings their cinical perspective to every part of their life, and they have no true means to relax.

If they cant bash a game, then they will get on the game's site and bash other people for not interpreting something the same. Or they will nit pick every flaw, big and small, out of a game so that they can feel that whoever made this game is somehow "not as great as them". But the reality of the whole "art" topic it this: Art isn't perfect, no matter how great the artist thinks his work is, he will always find flaws in his "own" work, and others looking at the work will have their "own" opinion on other flaws they find and other strengths they find. Someone made the correlation to the Mona Lisa earlier, and in all reality that painting, no matter how perfect, has flaws. but at the time, no one would dare speak poorly about the greatest artist of its time.

All this to say, if you play games and find yourself consistently becoming cinical about all the details and everything, perhaps you should go find something else to do with your time. Games are just stories that are told through our fingertips, much like movies are stories put in action on the screen. Take it for what it's worth, it's a story, and "you are not the writer", you are simply allowed the oppertunity to participate. You can come and go as you please.

no one would questin the greatest artist of the time? leo was attacked and discreadited by the church, he was shunnde by all but the nobles who clould afford to buy his paintings, his true love inventing, lay largely hidden they are only just no discovering things about the human body the he already knew. if no one questioned him said knowledge would be common knowlegde. and yes games a stories and some encluding mass effect were wonderful stories but wonderful stories will still fall prey to plot holes. a good story will always be consistant taking into account events of previous chapters, how do you think people would have felt if at the end of return of the jedi it is suddenly revealed that the death star has a living ai on it and it's some how controling the sith?

doesn't matter the point is the did what bioware is doing and saying "this is my artistic vision you don't like it let me clarify" what do you think people will think of the next game they release that they use these "it's not like other games in this genre" line on if not their games in general. they will say well last time they said that no it wasn't... i don't beleive you

[N11 0RD0]

mannyclouds wrote...

ok lkets through out this hypo thetical then say there is this tv show that had a ready made following that backed it for ten years loved every episode loved all the characters after all these years develop a emotional attachment to the characters. then after ten years they change every thing they get rid of the old characters, get rid of the old settings and make the show unrekognisable to the fan base. Now the fan base turns "around and say hey this isn't my show what happened i don't like this turn it back."

the writers say "no this is my artistic vision if you don't like it don't watch." so they don't and it doesnt take off mainstream

what do you think happens to the series?

Mass Effect Universe: "Not a Hypothetical"
Characters: Stayed the same, (Shepard is the Hero) and actually added more characters with their own back story and content as well. (Almost whole crew in ME2, also gave reason for previous crew not being available, almost all of which were revisited in ME3.)

Setting: Stayed in the game centered universe. Only changing when Shepard was "confined to the terminas systems in ME2."

New Show: Stayed with the same franchise name, characters and setting. ME3 presented every past decision observed in some way, Romantic Interest shown to fruition. Beginning goal "Destroy the Reapers" remained intact.

Additional point of interest: The Mass Effect Franchise accomplished what no other game franchise has done in history, cross over game data, and this data spans 3 tites. Being the front runner always has its flaws, being perfect on the first try is never gauanteed.

The only change that happened was the ending didn't turn out like everyone thought it "should" have.

[mannyclouds]

Thanatos144 wrote...

mannyclouds wrote...

N11 0RD0 wrote...

Agree completely.

Sarah Knight wrote...
Design [a game] yourself, i gaurantee you that you'll get a garbage game that isn't half as good as an actual Video game that as high end graphics The point is that "Bioware has Talent", the one that really Screwed bioware over...was EA. Enough about the ending...really...all you people do is complain and cry and tell them to change it.  Really...its just a game where you can have fun and relax.
 

The sad part abou all of this mess, isn't the plot holes or errors in marketing before the release of the game. The true sad part about this whole issue is that games are suppose to get you away from your worries and troubles of the day, to give you a vehicle to "get away" from your everyday life and exist in someone elses world for a few hours. They exist to get your mind off all the peoblems you see openly in your life everyday, but in turn, what I 'm starting to see is now everyone just brings their cinical perspective to every part of their life, and they have no true means to relax.

If they cant bash a game, then they will get on the game's site and bash other people for not interpreting something the same. Or they will nit pick every flaw, big and small, out of a game so that they can feel that whoever made this game is somehow "not as great as them". But the reality of the whole "art" topic it this: Art isn't perfect, no matter how great the artist thinks his work is, he will always find flaws in his "own" work, and others looking at the work will have their "own" opinion on other flaws they find and other strengths they find. Someone made the correlation to the Mona Lisa earlier, and in all reality that painting, no matter how perfect, has flaws. but at the time, no one would dare speak poorly about the greatest artist of its time.

All this to say, if you play games and find yourself consistently becoming cinical about all the details and everything, perhaps you should go find something else to do with your time. Games are just stories that are told through our fingertips, much like movies are stories put in action on the screen. Take it for what it's worth, it's a story, and "you are not the writer", you are simply allowed the oppertunity to participate. You can come and go as you please.

no one would questin the greatest artist of the time? leo was attacked and discreadited by the church, he was shunnde by all but the nobles who clould afford to buy his paintings, his true love inventing, lay largely hidden they are only just no discovering things about the human body the he already knew. if no one questioned him said knowledge would be common knowlegde. and yes games a stories and some encluding mass effect were wonderful stories but wonderful stories will still fall prey to plot holes. a good story will always be consistant taking into account events of previous chapters, how do you think people would have felt if at the end of return of the jedi it is suddenly revealed that the death star has a living ai on it and it's some how controling the sith?

Where storm troopers machines like the reapers?

comments like that actually shows you aren't taking anything in your just nit picking examples with it's not the same when the plot holes introduced in such a twist is still relevant. but here yes they were storm troopers were clones created and for on purpose, so in that aspect yes

[Thanatos144]

mannyclouds wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

mannyclouds wrote...

N11 0RD0 wrote...

Agree completely.

Sarah Knight wrote...
Design [a game] yourself, i gaurantee you that you'll get a garbage game that isn't half as good as an actual Video game that as high end graphics The point is that "Bioware has Talent", the one that really Screwed bioware over...was EA. Enough about the ending...really...all you people do is complain and cry and tell them to change it.  Really...its just a game where you can have fun and relax.
 

The sad part abou all of this mess, isn't the plot holes or errors in marketing before the release of the game. The true sad part about this whole issue is that games are suppose to get you away from your worries and troubles of the day, to give you a vehicle to "get away" from your everyday life and exist in someone elses world for a few hours. They exist to get your mind off all the peoblems you see openly in your life everyday, but in turn, what I 'm starting to see is now everyone just brings their cinical perspective to every part of their life, and they have no true means to relax.

If they cant bash a game, then they will get on the game's site and bash other people for not interpreting something the same. Or they will nit pick every flaw, big and small, out of a game so that they can feel that whoever made this game is somehow "not as great as them". But the reality of the whole "art" topic it this: Art isn't perfect, no matter how great the artist thinks his work is, he will always find flaws in his "own" work, and others looking at the work will have their "own" opinion on other flaws they find and other strengths they find. Someone made the correlation to the Mona Lisa earlier, and in all reality that painting, no matter how perfect, has flaws. but at the time, no one would dare speak poorly about the greatest artist of its time.

All this to say, if you play games and find yourself consistently becoming cinical about all the details and everything, perhaps you should go find something else to do with your time. Games are just stories that are told through our fingertips, much like movies are stories put in action on the screen. Take it for what it's worth, it's a story, and "you are not the writer", you are simply allowed the oppertunity to participate. You can come and go as you please.

no one would questin the greatest artist of the time? leo was attacked and discreadited by the church, he was shunnde by all but the nobles who clould afford to buy his paintings, his true love inventing, lay largely hidden they are only just no discovering things about the human body the he already knew. if no one questioned him said knowledge would be common knowlegde. and yes games a stories and some encluding mass effect were wonderful stories but wonderful stories will still fall prey to plot holes. a good story will always be consistant taking into account events of previous chapters, how do you think people would have felt if at the end of return of the jedi it is suddenly revealed that the death star has a living ai on it and it's some how controling the sith?

Where storm troopers machines like the reapers?

comments like that actually shows you aren't taking anything in your just nit picking examples with it's not the same when the plot holes introduced in such a twist is still relevant. but here yes they were storm troopers were clones created and for on purpose, so in that aspect yes

Okay you are not suppose to see the plot twist or it wouldnt be a twist. Now you might not like the AI and thats fine your opinion but you used the wrong anology. You talk of plotholes thats what the extended cut is for.

[Thanatos144]

N11 0RD0 wrote...

mannyclouds wrote...

ok lkets through out this hypo thetical then say there is this tv show that had a ready made following that backed it for ten years loved every episode loved all the characters after all these years develop a emotional attachment to the characters. then after ten years they change every thing they get rid of the old characters, get rid of the old settings and make the show unrekognisable to the fan base. Now the fan base turns "around and say hey this isn't my show what happened i don't like this turn it back."

the writers say "no this is my artistic vision if you don't like it don't watch." so they don't and it doesnt take off mainstream

what do you think happens to the series?

Mass Effect Universe: "Not a Hypothetical"
Characters: Stayed the same, (Shepard is the Hero) and actually added more characters with their own back story and content as well. (Almost whole crew in ME2, also gave reason for previous crew not being available, almost all of which were revisited in ME3.)

Setting: Stayed in the game centered universe. Only changing when Shepard was "confined to the terminas systems in ME2."

New Show: Stayed with the same franchise name, characters and setting. ME3 presented every past decision observed in some way, Romantic Interest shown to fruition. Beginning goal "Destroy the Reapers" remained intact.

Additional point of interest: The Mass Effect Franchise accomplished what no other game franchise has done in history, cross over game data, and this data spans 3 tites. Being the front runner always has its flaws, being perfect on the first try is never gauanteed.

The only change that happened was the ending didn't turn out like everyone thought it "should" have.

that was a pretty good summery.

[N11 0RD0]

mannyclouds wrote...

doesn't matter the point is the did what bioware is doing and saying "this is my artistic vision you don't like it let me clarify" what do you think people will think of the next game they release that they use these "it's not like other games in this genre" line on if not their games in general. they will say well last time they said that no it wasn't... i don't beleive you

Don't get me wrong, I have never said what "they" did was "right". Believe me, they will feel the effects from this for years. I just dont agree with all the bashing. They gave us 5 years of amazing gaming. Gaming that I will never forget. Unfortunately, as far as we can tell, it ended with an ending that wasn't as up to par with the rest of the series as it may have needed to have been. I may have not agreed with the ending, but that doesn't stop me from aplauding them for a great sci-fi epic that spaned 5 years of my life.
[notice how I havent flamed about anyone or anything. Having civil conversation and debate IS possible, you just have to leave your pent up emotions at the door and be calm about it, along with bringing in your own facts]

[Delta095]

Maybe instead of epilogues (because I doubt they'd make sense), they could make the catalyst say something other than "SURPRISE! I'm the ambassador of b-plot you solved 4 planets ago land and it's my duty to put forth three choices that all do the same thing! Choose your favorite color! :wizard:"

Modifié par Delta095, 07 avril 2012 - 06:21 .

[mannyclouds]

N11 0RD0 wrote...

mannyclouds wrote...

ok lkets through out this hypo thetical then say there is this tv show that had a ready made following that backed it for ten years loved every episode loved all the characters after all these years develop a emotional attachment to the characters. then after ten years they change every thing they get rid of the old characters, get rid of the old settings and make the show unrekognisable to the fan base. Now the fan base turns "around and say hey this isn't my show what happened i don't like this turn it back."

the writers say "no this is my artistic vision if you don't like it don't watch." so they don't and it doesnt take off mainstream

what do you think happens to the series?

Mass Effect Universe: "Not a Hypothetical"
Characters: Stayed the same, (Shepard is the Hero) and actually added more characters with their own back story and content as well. (Almost whole crew in ME2, also gave reason for previous crew not being available, almost all of which were revisited in ME3.)

Setting: Stayed in the game centered universe. Only changing when Shepard was "confined to the terminas systems in ME2."

New Show: Stayed with the same franchise name, characters and setting. ME3 presented every past decision observed in some way, Romantic Interest shown to fruition. Beginning goal "Destroy the Reapers" remained intact.

Additional point of interest: The Mass Effect Franchise accomplished what no other game franchise has done in history, cross over game data, and this data spans 3 tites. Being the front runner always has its flaws, being perfect on the first try is never gauanteed.

The only change that happened was the ending didn't turn out like everyone thought it "should" have.

it spanned 2 and 9/10th the last ten minutes changes everything massive armada irrelevent, choices in preveious games irelivant. but yes up until then they did well and i praise them for it. but that does not excuse false advertising, the links have been posted already where the employees were quoted. that is a representative of the company verbally saying it will have these things, if it was a car dealer ship did that you could sue, computer sales kick up a massive stink, you can argue that these are different industries but they are still held under the same standard they are a commercail product first. when  creating a commercial product it has to be fully working and finished. it also needs to conform to the description both on the packaging aswell as what is described by the pr.

and no that tv show isn't hypothetical does anyone remember a show called stargate?

[T1l]

I know Drew Karpyshyn has dismissed the claims that Mass Effect fell apart after he left, but the difference between ME1 and the sequels is night and day. There's complete character reversals and retcons; there's no clarity or consistency in the narrative and over arching plot line. It's so bad I recently repurchased both ME1and 2 just to replay them again to see I'd I was losing my mind (or was mistaken) - I wasn't.

The writer(s) of ME3 dropped the ball. I miss the vision of Drew Karpyshyn, and I intensely dislike where Mac Walters went with Mass Effect.

[mannyclouds]

Thanatos144 wrote...

mannyclouds wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

mannyclouds wrote...

N11 0RD0 wrote...

Agree completely.

Sarah Knight wrote...
Design [a game] yourself, i gaurantee you that you'll get a garbage game that isn't half as good as an actual Video game that as high end graphics The point is that "Bioware has Talent", the one that really Screwed bioware over...was EA. Enough about the ending...really...all you people do is complain and cry and tell them to change it.  Really...its just a game where you can have fun and relax.
 

The sad part abou all of this mess, isn't the plot holes or errors in marketing before the release of the game. The true sad part about this whole issue is that games are suppose to get you away from your worries and troubles of the day, to give you a vehicle to "get away" from your everyday life and exist in someone elses world for a few hours. They exist to get your mind off all the peoblems you see openly in your life everyday, but in turn, what I 'm starting to see is now everyone just brings their cinical perspective to every part of their life, and they have no true means to relax.

If they cant bash a game, then they will get on the game's site and bash other people for not interpreting something the same. Or they will nit pick every flaw, big and small, out of a game so that they can feel that whoever made this game is somehow "not as great as them". But the reality of the whole "art" topic it this: Art isn't perfect, no matter how great the artist thinks his work is, he will always find flaws in his "own" work, and others looking at the work will have their "own" opinion on other flaws they find and other strengths they find. Someone made the correlation to the Mona Lisa earlier, and in all reality that painting, no matter how perfect, has flaws. but at the time, no one would dare speak poorly about the greatest artist of its time.

All this to say, if you play games and find yourself consistently becoming cinical about all the details and everything, perhaps you should go find something else to do with your time. Games are just stories that are told through our fingertips, much like movies are stories put in action on the screen. Take it for what it's worth, it's a story, and "you are not the writer", you are simply allowed the oppertunity to participate. You can come and go as you please.

no one would questin the greatest artist of the time? leo was attacked and discreadited by the church, he was shunnde by all but the nobles who clould afford to buy his paintings, his true love inventing, lay largely hidden they are only just no discovering things about the human body the he already knew. if no one questioned him said knowledge would be common knowlegde. and yes games a stories and some encluding mass effect were wonderful stories but wonderful stories will still fall prey to plot holes. a good story will always be consistant taking into account events of previous chapters, how do you think people would have felt if at the end of return of the jedi it is suddenly revealed that the death star has a living ai on it and it's some how controling the sith?

Where storm troopers machines like the reapers?

comments like that actually shows you aren't taking anything in your just nit picking examples with it's not the same when the plot holes introduced in such a twist is still relevant. but here yes they were storm troopers were clones created and for on purpose, so in that aspect yes

Okay you are not suppose to see the plot twist or it wouldnt be a twist. Now you might not like the AI and thats fine your opinion but you used the wrong anology. You talk of plotholes thats what the extended cut is for.

and i can't wait to find out how they explain the plot holes they created without invaladating everyhing you've done leading up to the ending.

[Thanatos144]

Delta095 wrote...

Maybe instead of epilogues (because I doubt they'd make sense), they could make the catalyst say something other than "SURPRISE! I'm the ambassador of b-plot you solved 4 planets ago land and it's my duty to put forth three choices that all do the same thing! Choose your favorite color! :wizard:"

Except they all dont do the same thing.

[mannyclouds]

N11 0RD0 wrote...

mannyclouds wrote...

doesn't matter the point is the did what bioware is doing and saying "this is my artistic vision you don't like it let me clarify" what do you think people will think of the next game they release that they use these "it's not like other games in this genre" line on if not their games in general. they will say well last time they said that no it wasn't... i don't beleive you

Don't get me wrong, I have never said what "they" did was "right". Believe me, they will feel the effects from this for years. I just dont agree with all the bashing. They gave us 5 years of amazing gaming. Gaming that I will never forget. Unfortunately, as far as we can tell, it ended with an ending that wasn't as up to par with the rest of the series as it may have needed to have been. I may have not agreed with the ending, but that doesn't stop me from aplauding them for a great sci-fi epic that spaned 5 years of my life.
[notice how I havent flamed about anyone or anything. Having civil conversation and debate IS possible, you just have to leave your pent up emotions at the door and be calm about it, along with bringing in your own facts]

facts on myside are already presented everything wrong with the game has already been stated, thing is you know they stuffed up when people that has never seen the game before come over in the last half hour of the game and then say wtf what was the point?

[Thanatos144]

mannyclouds wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

mannyclouds wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

mannyclouds wrote...

N11 0RD0 wrote...

Agree completely.

Sarah Knight wrote...
Design [a game] yourself, i gaurantee you that you'll get a garbage game that isn't half as good as an actual Video game that as high end graphics The point is that "Bioware has Talent", the one that really Screwed bioware over...was EA. Enough about the ending...really...all you people do is complain and cry and tell them to change it.  Really...its just a game where you can have fun and relax.
 

The sad part abou all of this mess, isn't the plot holes or errors in marketing before the release of the game. The true sad part about this whole issue is that games are suppose to get you away from your worries and troubles of the day, to give you a vehicle to "get away" from your everyday life and exist in someone elses world for a few hours. They exist to get your mind off all the peoblems you see openly in your life everyday, but in turn, what I 'm starting to see is now everyone just brings their cinical perspective to every part of their life, and they have no true means to relax.

If they cant bash a game, then they will get on the game's site and bash other people for not interpreting something the same. Or they will nit pick every flaw, big and small, out of a game so that they can feel that whoever made this game is somehow "not as great as them". But the reality of the whole "art" topic it this: Art isn't perfect, no matter how great the artist thinks his work is, he will always find flaws in his "own" work, and others looking at the work will have their "own" opinion on other flaws they find and other strengths they find. Someone made the correlation to the Mona Lisa earlier, and in all reality that painting, no matter how perfect, has flaws. but at the time, no one would dare speak poorly about the greatest artist of its time.

All this to say, if you play games and find yourself consistently becoming cinical about all the details and everything, perhaps you should go find something else to do with your time. Games are just stories that are told through our fingertips, much like movies are stories put in action on the screen. Take it for what it's worth, it's a story, and "you are not the writer", you are simply allowed the oppertunity to participate. You can come and go as you please.

no one would questin the greatest artist of the time? leo was attacked and discreadited by the church, he was shunnde by all but the nobles who clould afford to buy his paintings, his true love inventing, lay largely hidden they are only just no discovering things about the human body the he already knew. if no one questioned him said knowledge would be common knowlegde. and yes games a stories and some encluding mass effect were wonderful stories but wonderful stories will still fall prey to plot holes. a good story will always be consistant taking into account events of previous chapters, how do you think people would have felt if at the end of return of the jedi it is suddenly revealed that the death star has a living ai on it and it's some how controling the sith?

Where storm troopers machines like the reapers?

comments like that actually shows you aren't taking anything in your just nit picking examples with it's not the same when the plot holes introduced in such a twist is still relevant. but here yes they were storm troopers were clones created and for on purpose, so in that aspect yes

Okay you are not suppose to see the plot twist or it wouldnt be a twist. Now you might not like the AI and thats fine your opinion but you used the wrong anology. You talk of plotholes thats what the extended cut is for.

and i can't wait to find out how they explain the plot holes they created without invaladating everyhing you've done leading up to the ending.

Everything????? Really? I think maybe you are being a bit dramatic
there....Sure there are a few things they need to explain but invalidating the universe they created seems a bit much.  Pissing off fans? Sure but no matter what they do thats going to happen.

[mannyclouds]

Thanatos144 wrote...

Delta095 wrote...

Maybe instead of epilogues (because I doubt they'd make sense), they could make the catalyst say something other than "SURPRISE! I'm the ambassador of b-plot you solved 4 planets ago land and it's my duty to put forth three choices that all do the same thing! Choose your favorite color! :wizard:"

Except they all dont do the same thing.

explain how

[N11 0RD0]

mannyclouds wrote...

it spanned 2 and 9/10th the last ten minutes changes everything massive armada irrelevent, choices in preveious games irelivant. but yes up until then they did well and i praise them for it. but that does not excuse false advertising, the links have been posted already where the employees were quoted. that is a representative of the company verbally saying it will have these things, if it was a car dealer ship did that you could sue, computer sales kick up a massive stink, you can argue that these are different industries but they are still held under the same standard they are a commercail product first. when  creating a commercial product it has to be fully working and finished. it also needs to conform to the description both on the packaging aswell as what is described by the pr.

and no that tv show isn't hypothetical does anyone remember a show called stargate?

(You don't want to start this......debate. Remember, facts are key, and stating facts without definition/data renders "said fact" irrelevant.)

A commercial Product: Car, Bus, Boat, Smoke alarm, industrial sized mixer...ect.
A Consumer Product: Home owner grade, not commercial grade (an xbox, ps3, gaming computer would fall in this category)
And based on the facts, consumer products are not "Commercial Products". So they are "not" held "under the same standard" And even though MMass Effect was a Consumer Product, it "was" "fully working and finnished."

The only problem, as stated before, was that the ending wasen't the ending everyone was hoping for.

I would prefer "not" to debate this anymore. The topic of this thread is "Extended Cut", we have strayed far.Lets keep our focus.

What kinds of things are you hoping for in the Extended Cut?

[Ace Kenshader]

It's way too late for that N11, as everyone has already taken a stance being deadset hating the ending and filing another FTC complaint on EA and Bioware.

But with regards to this, I would like to know what sort of clarifications they are talking about, and maybe find out more about the godchild Catalyst, he is an interesting character.

[Thanatos144]

mannyclouds wrote...

Thanatos144 wrote...

Delta095 wrote...

Maybe instead of epilogues (because I doubt they'd make sense), they could make the catalyst say something other than "SURPRISE! I'm the ambassador of b-plot you solved 4 planets ago land and it's my duty to put forth three choices that all do the same thing! Choose your favorite color! :wizard:"

Except they all dont do the same thing.

explain how

Easy one makes the reapers leave, one destroys them, and the last melds them with organics.......thats diffrent things.