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[Cloudwulf]

Companies are of course there to make a Buck. But for buying and playing 3 games and a lot of DLC, and not getting the Happy Ending i want, they are not going to make a Buck again. At least not with me. I don´t like playing 100 hours for my Hero Dying. The Extended Cut seems not to change that fact. They just want to explain everything better.

I give a s... upon logical explanaitions at the end. Even if i am a Guy, i want to get the right Feeling. For me that would be, me and Tali in our house, or put in the LI you like, for yourself.

They´re not going to make a buck with me, unless i get what i worked so hard for with seven Charackters Male and Female, i have played.

[mannyclouds]

nitraw wrote...

stonxx wrote...

Companies are there to make a buck. 
 

I read that argument a lot. I think that this is somewhat true today but it wasn't always, especially in regards to computer games. Many companies started out making shareware games and their intention was first and foremost to create amazing games an maybe make a buck with it. In those days I would have had no problem regarding a game as art.
Somehow gaming became a huge industry and now we have companies like EA and Activision which really are only interested in maximizing their profit. And you see it in the games today: their is very little innovation, many games seem rushed and are full of bugs on release day and there's DLC everywhere (not that I'm completely against DLC), online passes so you can't sell your games anymore, sometimes game-crippling DRM, always-online singleplayer games (I can't play ME3 if EA servers are unreachable). I cannot consider games employing any of these "features" art, simply because they just feel like they've been made to generate as much profit as possible and not to be as great a game as possible.
Mass Effect has been an exception for me. I was sceptical when I bought the first game because of the big EA logo at startup. But I was surprised in a good way. Maybe there was hope after all.
Then in ME2 they went a bit over board with their DLC and I never understood why they changed the weapon systems to use thermal clips ( I really liked the cooldown system because it was different and it worked and the explanation was good).
Both points I would see as ways to gain more profit by making the game accessible for a broader audience. Nevertheless I really liked ME2 and I had more playthroughs with it than any other game I had ever played.
And then there's ME3: I have only two explanations for what happened with the ending: 
1) They ran out of time because of strict deadlines set by EA and thus couldn't really take all the actions of the player into account. Thus they just put together some cutscenes and painted them differently. If that was the case then why include MP? When I first read about MP in ME3 I was very confused. I didn't want it. I couldn't see a way to even implement it. But they did it. And frankly: It's not that bad, actually quite fun. Would anyone have missed MP if it had never been announced? I don't know. I certainly wouldn't have.

2) The writers of ME just think differently. Maybe it makes more sense for them because they have created the world and have their vision of it in their heads. They have information we don't have about the world because there must be ideas that never made it into the game.
If that is the case, I think it's bioware's fault for not managing to convey the meaning to the player. Maybe it's a result of 1) I don't know. All I know is, that I don't get it. And I also know for a fact that I am neither stupid nor intellectually handicapped (like many people sadly say about people disliking the ending).

The rest of ME3 was absolutely awesome. I had a bug in the hanar diplomat quest, which was the only time I came to this forum before I finished. And while looking for answers regarding this quest I read one or two thread titles regarding the endings and I thought those where the usual whiners at work already. The game was so great I couldn't believe they messed up the ending right until I got there. Here are my thoughts from my first and only playthrough (feel free to skip it, it's not my best writing effort:
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At first I thought I made a mistake when the laser beam hit me. But then Sheppard got up, badly wounded, blurry vison. I liked that. The enemys where suddenly dead with just one shot and I had unlimited ammo. Hmm... that's strange? Why do that? Then the citadel looks different than before. OK, maybe the reapers can re-arrange it. But how did Anderson get ahead of me? Oh, god dammit why's he standing there like that, I fear he's been... yep indoctrination at work, dammit, not Anderson. Oh hello Illusive Man. Wait, how did he get here? WTF is he talking about. How can he control me. Did I just shoot Anderson? TIM, you're indoctrinated. OK, he shot himself. That didn't stop Saren. but OK. Now what? OK, I go to the console. Now let's see what happens. Ahh final moments with Anderson. But where's the exploding reapers. I'm confused. Wait, Hackett says nothing happened. OK, back to the console.. Oh no, Shepard's too weak and collapses on the floor. Wait. Where'd that elevator come from? Shepard collapsed in exactly the right spot? Seems wrong. That kid again. Is this a dream? WTH is he talking about? Can't wait to tell hoim to shove it. Wait? that's all I can say to him? What do you mean I have these three choices? I don't believe it. There must be something else <panic> What did I do wrong? I made peace between geth and quarian, cured the genophage, unitd Krogans and Turians. Could I have done anything better? I don't want to chose and I don't want to destroy the Relays. Maybe... No, can't kill the Starchild. dammit, have to chose. OK, let's take destroy. No wait, the geth, EDI... can't do that. Synthesis? No, can't do that, either. Can't make that decision for trillions of people. OK, control it is. I'll die, but whatever. Wait. How do I control them if I'm dead? Oh forget it, too late. OK, nice cinematics, But what's with my crew? Ah there's the Normandy ... fleeing? Why? And they get caught, oh no, they're all dead! Ahh, Joker managed to land! Good guy!. Wait! How did Liara get there? She was on Earth with me moments ago. Confusion again. Credits? Already? Isn't there more? Skip. Ahh there's more. But wtf? When how why? Why are they talking about "going to the stars" like there is no space travel? Did I just destroy galactic civilization? What in the name of god did I just witness? Those guys in the forums where right, this is outrageously bad. It's so bad it hurts. I have to reload my last save and see what the other endings are like. All the same? Oh please, you can't be serious. <from here on I can't describe my thought any more because of bad language>

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I don't know if anyone even reads this considering the speed at which this forum moves. But I had to get this off my chest,

i'm lol right now because i felt the same way only i was also like maybe i missed to much by using my shep started from me 2, finish shep from me 1 that is half way through 2, go through whole game again WTF IS THIS ****

[Edrick1976]

"Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?
No. BioWare strongly believes in the team's artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned."

I know that BioWare does not care that I am writing this in this form and I know I am just one person but I feel I need to express in some fashion my responce to PAX and this statement I have read in the OP.  I have left your Star Wars MMO game, If you wish you can check out my account under Kossuth and you can see that I just ended my suscription. Now I know that I am only one person and my little $15 a month will not hurt your company or make any dents but I am done with your company. I really liked Star Wars, even with all its faults I was willing to waite and have you fixed them but after PAX and the fact your not listening I am DONE with BioWare with EVERYTHING they do, I really was lookin forward to DA3 even with DA2 being horable IMO ( Still looking for that button of AUSSOMNESS ), however sence its being made buy a company I can no longer trust and who is not listening to its fans this is the only way I can express my displeasure in its company and how it does thing is buy NOT spending any money on anything that BioWare does (Or EA for that matter).

You told me that what I did in ME1 and ME 2 would matter for the ending of ME3 and guess what  it does not. In fact I can play ME 3 and just do some multiplayer and have the same 3 collor coded ending. Pax was your once chance with me to fix the dammage to your crediability that YOU caused by making promasses you eather could NOT deliver OR had no intention of delivering, and you have blown it. I need you to understand that everone I talk with will know how I feel and I will NEVER SUGEST a game from your company as long as I live, Weather they are past games or new games that you make in the future. 

Now you can get my bussness back but all I want is for you to say your sorry. Yea thats right a simple statement with NO Public Relations BS, All I want from your head guy at BioWare is to say that we are sorry for all the false statements about the ending of the game ME 3, OR that we did intend for the ending to be different but we just did not have the time, money or recources for it to happen and we are sorry for letting you down. 

However we all know that will never happen.....

[Cloudwulf]

Edington wrote...

"Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?
No. BioWare strongly believes in the team's artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned."

I know that BioWare does not care that I am writing this in this form and I know I am just one person but I feel I need to express in some fashion my responce to PAX and this statement I have read in the OP.  I have left your Star Wars MMO game, If you wish you can check out my account under Kossuth and you can see that I just ended my suscription. Now I know that I am only one person and my little $15 a month will not hurt your company or make any dents but I am done with your company. I really liked Star Wars, even with all its faults I was willing to waite and have you fixed them but after PAX and the fact your not listening I am DONE with BioWare with EVERYTHING they do, I really was lookin forward to DA3 even with DA2 being horable IMO ( Still looking for that button of AUSSOMNESS ), however sence its being made buy a company I can no longer trust and who is not listening to its fans this is the only way I can express my displeasure in its company and how it does thing is buy NOT spending any money on anything that BioWare does (Or EA for that matter).

You told me that what I did in ME1 and ME 2 would matter for the ending of ME3 and guess what  it does not. In fact I can play ME 3 and just do some multiplayer and have the same 3 collor coded ending. Pax was your once chance with me to fix the dammage to your crediability that YOU caused by making promasses you eather could NOT deliver OR had no intention of delivering, and you have blown it. I need you to understand that everone I talk with will know how I feel and I will NEVER SUGEST a game from your company as long as I live, Weather they are past games or new games that you make in the future. 

Now you can get my bussness back but all I want is for you to say your sorry. Yea thats right a simple statement with NO Public Relations BS, All I want from your head guy at BioWare is to say that we are sorry for all the false statements about the ending of the game ME 3, OR that we did intend for the ending to be different but we just did not have the time, money or recources for it to happen and we are sorry for letting you down. 

However we all know that will never happen.....

sign! Thats just how it ist. But unlike you i don´t want a we are sorry statement. I want my happy ending i deserve for playing three games!!!

How i miss games like Jade empire, where in the end i had my happy end, or even the evil end was a happy end for my heroes personal benefit. Ruling the Empire and just beeing happy with Silk Fox was here name if i remember correctly. This was nice, even if it was just text. At least i was happy enough, even if it  would have been nice to see a little ingame cutscene of my hero kissing her.

Modifié par Cloudwulf, 07 avril 2012 - 10:58 .

[venom56321489]

To me they lost RPG feel and went for more cod style.

1. less exploration on citadel (smaller areas).
2. Only 1 place to explore citadel
3. no vehicles no mako, hammerhead, or flying car (lair of shadow broker-which lots of fans loved)
4. Like DA2 more straight forward, felt funneled in one direction.
5. Love interests A, B, C, or fade to black, or nothing at all.
6. just felt rushed, they wanted to move on, and going for new audience.
7. Multiplayer- some like it but for me I wanted a Mass Effect rpg and they do not have multiplayer

Bioware just isnt making games to my taste these days. Off to better things. There are other RPG's Bioware and EA are not the only ones. Their is life outside Bioware.

[Cloudwulf]

Wrong forum sorry... ignore this

Modifié par Cloudwulf, 07 avril 2012 - 10:47 .

[dafty duck]

I think summer might be a bit late for most people. The damage has already been done now and knowing that the endings are going to be cleared up not changed doesn't really interest me to be honest.

At the end of the day not changing the ending to reflect player choice still means everything I have done in the previous games counts for nothing and that's what got me about the endings more than how.......well.........lazy they were.

Sorry Bioware, I understand it must make you guys angry to see so many people complain about something I'm sure you all worked very hard on but I'm afraid you have lost me as a customer for good. After DA2 and the what I personally found to be the awful awful conclusion to the ME series I am no longer going to part with my cash on any future releases. Times are hard, money is tight and I can't take a chance any more. Thanks for the first DA and the first 2 ME games (along with 95% of the third one.) though.

[PaxtonFetel]

what's the point, this DLC?
synthesis, I do not believe that they will be able to explain how to stick a chip in the ass all the organic ?
How is it possible to open a textbook of biology, and all will become clear that the mystic, and therefore it is impossible to explain.

[Zerox Z21]

Derek Larke wrote...

Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?
No. BioWare strongly believes in the team's artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise. The extended cut DLC will expand on the existing endings, but no further ending DLC is planned.[/list]
So there you have it. Are we proud of the game we made and the team that made it? Hell yes. Are we going to change the ending of the game? No. Do we appreciate the passion and listen to the feedback delivered to us by our fans? Very much so and we are responding.

Right, because this ending was clearly the original teams artistic vision for the ending. As in, no it wasn't. How can you be so proud of it? It makes no sense. It is in direct defiance to the rest of the series, and there was enough foreshadowing in previous ME games to show that this wasn't the original vision. So how does preserving this make any sense?

I originally planned a chocolate sandwich. I have now changed it to cheese and crackers. But no one likes cheese and crackers. So I will stand by the cheese and crackers and say I am proud. Even though I planned a chocolate sandwich in the first place.

As for listening to fans, the majority hates the ending, and clarifying the current ending is appealing to the minority. What sense does that make?

I just...ugh. So much for the massive polls and trying to get Bioware to take a damn hint about the ending. There was such outrage because the ending sucked. How does clarifying it make anything better? It's still the same crap we were stuck with. It still means our choices through all the games were effing pointless unless those epilogues are a heavy feature of the DLC ending. And if we can't change them at all, then all the choices suck. They all destroy the very society we came to understand, cared about and tried to protect. At best, you kill the reapers, save Shepard to see squadmates, and for no good reason kill the other, friendly AI too that you spent a good deal of your time trying to get on with. All destroy the mass relays and everything, so that sucks.

Can't be too harsh because I haven't seen anything yet, but it'll take some damn good clarification to keep me invested in this company. I haven't played, but after the DA2 debacle, then this...

Be nice if the company were a bit more vocal. There have been some amazing, incredibly detailed criticisms of the ending. Some direct address of the issues those raised would be nice, to show they actually took the hint.

Damn EA. Why does everyone keep signing up with them?

For now, I will try to remain open minded. I haven't seen the rest of the ending yet, it might be decent, make more sense and so on. But it clearly wasn't the original intent, and Bioware's response of only clarification to an already questionable ending holds alot of negative connotations.

Modifié par Zerox Z21, 07 avril 2012 - 11:17 .

[Cloudwulf]

"Are we going to change the ending of the game? No. Do we appreciate the passion and listen to the feedback delivered to us by our fans? Very much so and we are responding."

if you just change the positions of the two sentences, the truth is revealed:

"Do we appreciate the passion and listen to the feedback delivered to us by our fans? Very much so and we are responding. Are we going to change the ending of the game? No."

So HOW ARE YOU RESPONDING to our Feedback? With a clear
"F*** you dear Fans!"
Because you are not going to change the ending, and that is what many people want.

[XqctaX]

I want patrik weekes to be headwriter/ in charge of the extended end DLC.

Casy hudson and mac walters had there chance and blew it.

I do not want them to redo there artsy crap again pls

[Super.Sid]

got this from another thread

Guys, I might have some good news.
There is post in some russian forum dated back march 25th with inside info, since some parts turned out to be true, it might be that all this info is more or less accurate, here is the translation:
There is fighting between Bioware and EA management. EA is more than unhappy with death of series and the fact, that fans are blaming it on them(bioware was given all the freedom and EA was not checking on them, they trusted BW's reputation). BW have overestimated their own strength and were not able to create the game properly. [not relevant part].
EA wanted to take senior writer out, but Dr. Muzyka defended him personally, since they were old friends.
BW was working on small free patch to explain the ending and were planning to release it before april 10, but EA forced them to make complete rewrite of the ending. They started to work on it on march 20 and it will be ready by ~july. Will be two main endings - everything is ending great or everything is ending badly.
Epilogue depends on your actions, and here it is the same - either they lived happyly ever after, became rich and so on or.. Without middle tones.

[LohnPondai]

venom56321489 wrote...

To me they lost RPG feel and went for more cod style.

1. less exploration on citadel (smaller areas).
2. Only 1 place to explore citadel
3. no vehicles no mako, hammerhead, or flying car (lair of shadow broker-which lots of fans loved)
4. Like DA2 more straight forward, felt funneled in one direction.
5. Love interests A, B, C, or fade to black, or nothing at all.
6. just felt rushed, they wanted to move on, and going for new audience.
7. Multiplayer- some like it but for me I wanted a Mass Effect rpg and they do not have multiplayer

Bioware just isnt making games to my taste these days. Off to better things. There are other RPG's Bioware and EA are not the only ones. Their is life outside Bioware.

Yup. I think CDProjekt took the banner that Bioware dropped. Good RPGs in wich your decisions matter, no COD clones with rushed, nonsensical endings.

I dont care at all about the Extended Cut since i no longer own the game (yup, Amazon EU will take back your copies, even if they have been opened). Had they answered earlier, had they had the decency to admit the huge lies they fed us during game promotion... i may had remained a loyal fan. But i think its too late. There are other companies, other games... I once loved Bioware. Own a lot of their games and had a blast playing KOTOR, Dragon Age (my fav) and the earlies ME titles. But really, after DA: Origins, SWTOR and now this they really show they have changed. They can go on releasing rushed games but just dont count on my money.

Modifié par LohnPondai, 07 avril 2012 - 12:26 .

[VisionaryDark]

I'm new to mass effect (just finished ME2 the 2nd time) and thought about buying ME3. Then I read about the ending controversy and decided to wait until BioWare responds to the objections.
I have been hoping the retake movement would convince BioWare to add additional choices, so I could enjoy ME3. 
With this statement I see no point in buying a game that will ruin the experience from previous two.
If I want an ending where my previous choices don't matter, I can stay with Deus Ex:HR. Back then I thought that the DX:HR ending should have been a little bit more complex and dependent on the decisions. At least it was not out of character or full of plot holes. It's still fun to replay the game. But I cannot imagine to play a game like ME3 for many hours when I know that in the end I have no way to accomplish my goals or stick to the character I created. I'm glad I found out in time.

I don't know if there are more people like me who haven't bought ME3 because of the ending, but I think that's not unlikely.

I wish those of you who continue to point out why additional endings are needed good luck. Hold the line.

[Maou]

Good news, i think.
I will wait and see.

[LohnPondai]

VisionaryDark wrote...

I'm new to mass effect (just finished ME2 the 2nd time) and thought about buying ME3. Then I read about the ending controversy and decided to wait until BioWare responds to the objections.
I have been hoping the retake movement would convince BioWare to add additional choices, so I could enjoy ME3. 
With this statement I see no point in buying a game that will ruin the experience from previous two.
If I want an ending where my previous choices don't matter, I can stay with Deus Ex:HR. Back then I thought that the DX:HR ending should have been a little bit more complex and dependent on the decisions. At least it was not out of character or full of plot holes. It's still fun to replay the game. But I cannot imagine to play a game like ME3 for many hours when I know that in the end I have no way to accomplish my goals or stick to the character I created. I'm glad I found out in time.

I don't know if there are more people like me who haven't bought ME3 because of the ending, but I think that's not unlikely.

I wish those of you who continue to point out why additional endings are needed good luck. Hold the line.

I would advice you not to buy it. Trust me. If you really loved the series, keep it as it is. It will ruin your desire to replay any of the games since it doesnt really matter in the end.

I had a friend who was waiting on his next paycheck to get the game. I didnt want to spoil him but i told him how dissapointed i was with the ending. He fought the urge to check what all the fuzz was about but in the end he googled for it and when he saw that youtube video in wich the different endings are ran one next to the other, he was astonished that they were 100% the same. He was really happy he had not bought the game.

[DigitalAvatar]

LohnPondai wrote...

Yup. I think CDProjekt took the banner that Bioware dropped. Good RPGs in wich your decisions matter, no COD clones with rushed, nonsensical endings.

CDProjekt RED have completely overtaken BioWare/EA. No crap DRM, and they care about the community. On top of that they are releasing an "Enhanced Edition" with gameplay fixes and hours of extra content for free.
People expect us to be impressed with BioWare and their cop-out "clarification" DLC? Hell no.
I was a BioWare fan for 15 years, have almost every RPG they made since Baldur's Gate, and after this debacle they have lost my support completely. All hail the new king, CDProjekt RED.

[BeastMTL]

Well Bioware made its decision.. I have thus made mine.
It's been a good ride but I'm getting off now. Cya!

oh and I will dance the day EA announces the closure of the studio.

[CJMissen]

SPOILERS SPOILERS SPOILERS
(doesn't seem to matter much in a thread talking about the extended cut and its need to 'clarify' the endings)


you want criticisms, feedback and suggestions? okay, have it.

Outright denial of the potential of changing them or adding alternatives, this needs to be rethought, heavily.

it isn't just the lack of closure or clarity, its the railroaded manner that leads to it as well, THIS MEANS STAR-CHILD, this means, ACCEPTANCE OF CIRCULAR KNOWLEDGE, this means LACK OF ABILITY TO DEFY what is seen by many fans, and has been set up to be the god of the Reapers. The whole setup is IMMERSION BREAKING at a fundamental level, and that is BEFORE we get to see what happens next. Its a huge disconnect, something has gone wrong HERE, not just after, it STARTED with the CATALYST, so START THERE.

THIS WHOLE SERIES, has been about defying the odds. not to mention, defying those who say 'it is inevitable' or 'you are incapable'. only to be slapped down by this mocking child with the phrase 'no, you can't'. the whole setup engenders us to distrust this being at any level.

NOT ALLOWING us to defy this being, is akin to having the 'collectors base' dilmna all over again, or the 'save the council or not' choice all over again, but having no real second option, and its not about seeing the impacts of the choices you are planning to provide, its part of it, but it is NOT the whole thing.

It is Railroaded, we can TELL. there are those who would rather wait 10 minutes for the reapers to DESTROY the Crucible rather than take ANY of the options you give... SOMETHING HAS GONE WRONG.

The fundumental keystones of each ending, are still relegated to series breaking similarity, marooning normandy (its set up by the way ALSO makes no sense at all, and does not fit with ANY of the characters or their situations. Normandy + Joker is fighting with Sword fleet, not picking up buddies and running... buddies are part of pitched ground war, you can't just snatch them off the ground that easily or quickly much less expect them to come WILLINGLY), technological darkage (in relation to transportation technology) + soulshattering seperation and outright DENIAL of closure, begs to question what I've seen said that this new ending content will grant "even more" closure for hardcore fans... do you not realise there was none to begin with? it was DENIED.

Superficial changes are highly unlikely to be able to address this, the same, railroaded choices of A.B.C are still going to be there unless you do something about it, OPTIONS OF DEFIANCE SHOULD BE ON YOUR MINDS AT THIS POINT.

The rationale behind it as a stand alone product, which has been vetted by the devs I may add, contains an illogical argument that the game itself thematically disproves and begs questioning.

If you need at this point to clarify and justify this situation, you REALLY should ask yourselves whether or not you made a good call to begin with.

Artistic integrity is all well and good and I truly do respect it... but part in parcel with the artistic integrity you have invested and placed into this game was the idea and theme of player choice and independance to choose their own paths. taking that away, you have not only betrayed your fans, but you have betrayed your OWN artistic integrity and vision. Your own SITE gives hail to the idea that people are able to craft their own story, narrative, adventure, and control the way things unfold, the outcomes and such.

My advice, as total and harsh as it is? Bite the bullet. go all out on this. people would rather PAY for an entirely new ending, or an alternative, rather than be given freely something that does not deliver what they expect to do the series conclusion justice. I myself WOULD NOT remove the current content, I would however provide at the least, alternatives to it.

stonewalling, evasiveness, unwillingness to go the full distance (IE: not changing, no alternatives) will NOT win you back your fans, that have until this point, remained loyal. you want to be seen as listening? well... listen.

Clarifying what is already seen to be a mistake, YES... A MISTAKE, does not FIX said mistake. HARD YARDS, and depth, content, quality and truly LISTENING to what people are saying will do it. Deliver what was built up pre-release, LOOK at your statements, realise your product backflipped on them.

FIX IT.

I DO NOT CARE that it has been said that these things are impossible, you asked for feedback and THIS is what I give you, now you can either LISTEN to it, and many others who are saying close to the same thing, I'd advise you do so, or you can disregard it. either way, if you don't pull this off right... it shows a certain amount of... true colour, the proof is in the pudding and at this point, with the amount of feedback you have gotten, if you really listened to it, you would not have an excuse to go wrong.

As it stands, I reserve my judgement, I have not seen for myself what you will do... yet I do not count myself amongst those with a limited imagination, and as such I give you the feedback of severe skepticism that sticking to what is flawed to begin with rather than be open to change or additions, IS NOT THE RIGHT CHOICE.

Make of this what you will. I do not intend offense, and if that is what I achieve, I sincerely apologise.

Modifié par CJMissen, 07 avril 2012 - 02:28 .

[Rocharox]

Ty Bioware for the lame excuse for the DLC. had you posted this when the ending SPECULATION started, a lot of people would not have wasted they time/money here.
ARE YOU PROUD OF YOUR ENDINGS??? WE ARE NOT!!!!

[Atilius the Hun]

Rocharox wrote...

Ty Bioware for the lame excuse for the DLC. had you posted this when the ending SPECULATION started, a lot of people would not have wasted they time/money here.
ARE YOU PROUD OF YOUR ENDINGS??? WE ARE NOT!!!!

Sorry to see that you didn't enjoy the end, but not everyone sees it that way.  There are those of us who enjoyed it and only wanted Bioware to do a better job of explaining the events.  This announcement goes a long way to satisfying that desire.  

[AGGELLOS]

So Bioware's plan for fixing a mistake is to extend the mistake, douglas adams would have loved that.

well I've only got one thing to say.


So long and thanks for all the fish

[Chewin]

DigitalAvatar wrote...

LohnPondai wrote...

Yup. I think CDProjekt took the banner that Bioware dropped. Good RPGs in wich your decisions matter, no COD clones with rushed, nonsensical endings.

CDProjekt RED have completely overtaken BioWare/EA. No crap DRM, and they care about the community. On top of that they are releasing an "Enhanced Edition" with gameplay fixes and hours of extra content for free.
People expect us to be impressed with BioWare and their cop-out "clarification" DLC? Hell no.
I was a BioWare fan for 15 years, have almost every RPG they made since Baldur's Gate, and after this debacle they have lost my support completely. All hail the new king, CDProjekt RED.

Maybe it's a good thing. BW has competition, so hopefully that would put their stubborn pride into place.

Or perhaps it's just wishful thinking.

[Grey34]

Super.Sid wrote...

got this from another thread

Guys, I might have some good news.
There is post in some russian forum dated back march 25th with inside info, since some parts turned out to be true, it might be that all this info is more or less accurate, here is the translation:
There is fighting between Bioware and EA management. EA is more than unhappy with death of series and the fact, that fans are blaming it on them(bioware was given all the freedom and EA was not checking on them, they trusted BW's reputation). BW have overestimated their own strength and were not able to create the game properly. [not relevant part].
EA wanted to take senior writer out, but Dr. Muzyka defended him personally, since they were old friends.
BW was working on small free patch to explain the ending and were planning to release it before april 10, but EA forced them to make complete rewrite of the ending. They started to work on it on march 20 and it will be ready by ~july. Will be two main endings - everything is ending great or everything is ending badly.
Epilogue depends on your actions, and here it is the same - either they lived happyly ever after, became rich and so on or.. Without middle tones.

i'm not sure about about the rest of it but i would suspect their could be some  internal bickering going on