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I won't speak for anyone else. But I'll put out there what I did.

I returned my copy of the game. Amazon took it back, accepting it back as defective. If, and I do mean IF the "Extended Cut" can manage to make the game live up to the pre-launch interviews and advertising, I will buy a new copy of the game. But I will NOT hold on to a product sold to me trough the use of misinformation. And I personally will not accept a larger helping of what I found distasteful in the first place.

I reccomend this course of action to anyone who is able to get a refund and is willing to make a stand as a customer.

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I didn't even complete the game... I reached upto the stupid kid, as he was talking I wanted to bash his head in but since bioware didn't give me that option I chose not to continue with that crap **** and just shut the game off... haven't gone back to it and don't plan on going to until this thing comes out and I hear how satisfactory it is...

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AzaggThoth wrote...

I won't speak for anyone else. But I'll put out there what I did.

I returned my copy of the game. Amazon took it back, accepting it back as defective. If, and I do mean IF the "Extended Cut" can manage to make the game live up to the pre-launch interviews and advertising, I will buy a new copy of the game. But I will NOT hold on to a product sold to me trough the use of misinformation. And I personally will not accept a larger helping of what I found distasteful in the first place.

I reccomend this course of action to anyone who is able to get a refund and is willing to make a stand as a customer.


and this is where all depends on: Bioware, will they or will they not adress that they messed up? if this really is nothing more than an attempt to explain what can't be explained, many will simply stop caring, return their copys and ignore anything Bioware, and perhaps in extend EA, will make in the future. and who cna blame them?

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AzaggThoth wrote...

I won't speak for anyone else. But I'll put out there what I did.

I returned my copy of the game. Amazon took it back, accepting it back as defective. If, and I do mean IF the "Extended Cut" can manage to make the game live up to the pre-launch interviews and advertising, I will buy a new copy of the game. But I will NOT hold on to a product sold to me trough the use of misinformation. And I personally will not accept a larger helping of what I found distasteful in the first place.

I reccomend this course of action to anyone who is able to get a refund and is willing to make a stand as a customer.


You'll get it cheaper too, IF they decide to fix it. If they don't, no loss...

More people should do like you.

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SalsaDMA wrote...

Blazerer wrote...

Sarah Knight wrote...
they could be with their Families and loved ones instead of caring about you guys .
but they  rather  Work their fingers to the bone just please you guys  and make you guy's happy regardless  of the people who actually do like the game.


 ok...  they could be with their Families and loved ones instead of caring about you guys  aaaaaaand there you end up using not only using a worse excuse than the one you tried to tackle not half a sentence ago, you also made it wrong. IT IS THEIR JOB. do you job wrong, get fired. So why should we applaud and salute them for a job poorly done? simple: we don't. 


Urgh. I had completely missed that part. I blame the the poor formatting of his/her text for it. Good of you to spot it Blazer.

I just wanted to add something to that one. It's a lame excuse/comment. Everyone have family and loved ones. You could use the same claim for any of historys worst criminals (and there are plenty of them that have tried using it in their propaganda, to varying effect) but it doesn't make it any more or less true. It's just an irrelevant comment that is grasping for random straws of trying to make doing 'random task X' seem more compasionate.

Well forget about it, Sarah. If they want to, they can stay at home with their loved ones instead of doing their job if they want to. I personally couldn't care less. The ones paying their salary, though, might have something else to say about it, though B)

The world is in no short supply of people actually wanting to have and work in a job. I'm sure we can ignore those of them that just want to stay at home with their loved ones instead, if they feel so much for that particular thing. The people relying on them might feel different, ofc, but that's not really my business to judge on.


You really need to watch what you say, especially if this stupid battle gets some national media attention. With the economy and people struggling just to find jobs and getting food for themselves and they're family, if a news network i.e. FOX News Channel saw that comment, news networks would be willing to brand your side as entitlement ****s who want to rail against the job creators :P, conservative pundits would rip into you people like Fat Albert at an all you can eat buffet.

In all seriousness though, there is another, and much more serious reason for why in my opinionBioware doesn't want to change the ending, and that many gaming publishers and developers are siding with them. Remember the South Park 2-part episode Cartoon Wars? Cartman's plan to get Family Guy off the air was to have Fox Network censor that part where Mohammed appears in the episode wearing a football helmet. Then it will be a domino effect, more and more people and groups will demand Fox to censor more parts of Family Guy that they feel offended, or didn't like it, and then more and more scenes will be censored or changed till the show becomes officially cancelled.

I believe it relates to this controversy in principle; if Bioware gives in and completely changes the ending to quell the anger from the fandom, it will become another domino effect where more and more gamers will start to demand more changes on games to include stuff they want or remove stuff they hate, and in turn developers and publishers will be forced to comply in making more of the changes. It will then get to a point where they're product completely deviates from what they originally envisioned and they will be forced to cancel the game or series, and in turn may loose alot of money, and may have to shut down and loose they're jobs.

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I appreciate the effort, and will certainly look at the Extended Cut, but...

Well, you see, this will NOT resolve the issues people have with the ending, unless your epilogue somehow reveals that the last five minutes are an hallucination.

Let's imagine this was the early 1980s, and the issue at hand was the film "Blade Runner": do you think the original cinematic ending (a studio mandate that was totally at odds with the rest of the film) could have been improved by adding MORE OF THE SAME? Deckard and Rachael in a beach resort, slurping Pina Coladas and talking about her being magically immortal, etc.


Now, I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt, and reserve judgment until I've actually seen what you have in store. But if we are to take the current ending at face value, I don't see how adding more "clarification" can do anything to improve it.

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*ignorant post*
Not getting involved in the "it sucked debate," but where do I download the Extended Cut? I keep seeing that the free offer ends April 14 and that it won't actually be available until this summer. When and where can I download this?

If this has been answered already someone could please point me in the right direction, I didn't feel like reading through 80 thread pages.

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Ace Kenshader wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Blazerer wrote...

Sarah Knight wrote...
they could be with their Families and loved ones instead of caring about you guys .
but they  rather  Work their fingers to the bone just please you guys  and make you guy's happy regardless  of the people who actually do like the game.


 ok...  they could be with their Families and loved ones instead of caring about you guys  aaaaaaand there you end up using not only using a worse excuse than the one you tried to tackle not half a sentence ago, you also made it wrong. IT IS THEIR JOB. do you job wrong, get fired. So why should we applaud and salute them for a job poorly done? simple: we don't. 


Urgh. I had completely missed that part. I blame the the poor formatting of his/her text for it. Good of you to spot it Blazer.

I just wanted to add something to that one. It's a lame excuse/comment. Everyone have family and loved ones. You could use the same claim for any of historys worst criminals (and there are plenty of them that have tried using it in their propaganda, to varying effect) but it doesn't make it any more or less true. It's just an irrelevant comment that is grasping for random straws of trying to make doing 'random task X' seem more compasionate.

Well forget about it, Sarah. If they want to, they can stay at home with their loved ones instead of doing their job if they want to. I personally couldn't care less. The ones paying their salary, though, might have something else to say about it, though B)

The world is in no short supply of people actually wanting to have and work in a job. I'm sure we can ignore those of them that just want to stay at home with their loved ones instead, if they feel so much for that particular thing. The people relying on them might feel different, ofc, but that's not really my business to judge on.


You really need to watch what you say, especially if this stupid battle gets some national media attention. With the economy and people struggling just to find jobs and getting food for themselves and they're family, if a news network i.e. FOX News Channel saw that comment, news networks would be willing to brand your side as entitlement ****s who want to rail against the job creators :P, conservative pundits would rip into you people like Fat Albert at an all you can eat buffet.

In all seriousness though, there is another, and much more serious reason for why in my opinionBioware doesn't want to change the ending, and that many gaming publishers and developers are siding with them. Remember the South Park 2-part episode Cartoon Wars? Cartman's plan to get Family Guy off the air was to have Fox Network censor that part where Mohammed appears in the episode wearing a football helmet. Then it will be a domino effect, more and more people and groups will demand Fox to censor more parts of Family Guy that they feel offended, or didn't like it, and then more and more scenes will be censored or changed till the show becomes officially cancelled.

I believe it relates to this controversy in principle; if Bioware gives in and completely changes the ending to quell the anger from the fandom, it will become another domino effect where more and more gamers will start to demand more changes on games to include stuff they want or remove stuff they hate, and in turn developers and publishers will be forced to comply in making more of the changes. It will then get to a point where they're product completely deviates from what they originally envisioned and they will be forced to cancel the game or series, and in turn may loose alot of money, and may have to shut down and loose they're jobs.


I disagree here. because part of the problem is that we've been lied to, and demanding justification for lies is perfectly fine. an ending was promised where choices mattered, and were you, as the player, had a say in the grand scheme. Demanding to get that is perfectly fine and will not have any dire rammifications, other than Bioware showing they still care for their fans

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*ignorant post*
Not getting involved in the "it sucked debate," but where do I download the Extended Cut? I keep seeing that the free offer ends April 14 and that it won't actually be available until this summer. When and where can I download this?

If this has been answered already someone could please point me in the right direction, I didn't feel like reading through 80 thread pages.


It will be available sometime this summer - or 2.5 to 5.5 months from now. The offer ends in 2014 not 2012.

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3 endings witch are 95% the same instead of the 16 promised!
But with the new dlc coming we will get 3 endings witch are 95% the same but now with a little explanation to something witch already did not make any sense... great but no thnx.
Would it be so hard to just delete the last 10 min and do something else?

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Ace Kenshader wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Blazerer wrote...

Sarah Knight wrote...
they could be with their Families and loved ones instead of caring about you guys .
but they  rather  Work their fingers to the bone just please you guys  and make you guy's happy regardless  of the people who actually do like the game.


 ok...  they could be with their Families and loved ones instead of caring about you guys  aaaaaaand there you end up using not only using a worse excuse than the one you tried to tackle not half a sentence ago, you also made it wrong. IT IS THEIR JOB. do you job wrong, get fired. So why should we applaud and salute them for a job poorly done? simple: we don't. 


Urgh. I had completely missed that part. I blame the the poor formatting of his/her text for it. Good of you to spot it Blazer.

I just wanted to add something to that one. It's a lame excuse/comment. Everyone have family and loved ones. You could use the same claim for any of historys worst criminals (and there are plenty of them that have tried using it in their propaganda, to varying effect) but it doesn't make it any more or less true. It's just an irrelevant comment that is grasping for random straws of trying to make doing 'random task X' seem more compasionate.

Well forget about it, Sarah. If they want to, they can stay at home with their loved ones instead of doing their job if they want to. I personally couldn't care less. The ones paying their salary, though, might have something else to say about it, though B)

The world is in no short supply of people actually wanting to have and work in a job. I'm sure we can ignore those of them that just want to stay at home with their loved ones instead, if they feel so much for that particular thing. The people relying on them might feel different, ofc, but that's not really my business to judge on.


You really need to watch what you say, especially if this stupid battle gets some national media attention. With the economy and people struggling just to find jobs and getting food for themselves and they're family, if a news network i.e. FOX News Channel saw that comment, news networks would be willing to brand your side as entitlement ****s who want to rail against the job creators :P, conservative pundits would rip into you people like Fat Albert at an all you can eat buffet.

In all seriousness though, there is another, and much more serious reason for why in my opinionBioware doesn't want to change the ending, and that many gaming publishers and developers are siding with them. Remember the South Park 2-part episode Cartoon Wars? Cartman's plan to get Family Guy off the air was to have Fox Network censor that part where Mohammed appears in the episode wearing a football helmet. Then it will be a domino effect, more and more people and groups will demand Fox to censor more parts of Family Guy that they feel offended, or didn't like it, and then more and more scenes will be censored or changed till the show becomes officially cancelled.

I believe it relates to this controversy in principle; if Bioware gives in and completely changes the ending to quell the anger from the fandom, it will become another domino effect where more and more gamers will start to demand more changes on games to include stuff they want or remove stuff they hate, and in turn developers and publishers will be forced to comply in making more of the changes. It will then get to a point where they're product completely deviates from what they originally envisioned and they will be forced to cancel the game or series, and in turn may loose alot of money, and may have to shut down and loose they're jobs.


Alternatively, it could encourage game developers and publishers to stay true to the stories they created and finish those stories rather than cutting out and writing something that makes no sense and confuses more people than it satisfies.  It could help those developers and publishers remember that the reason they exist is because we pay for their products and when they make a product received poorly by a large part of their customer base, that base stops paying them to make future products. 

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bkn wrote...

I didn't even complete the game... I reached upto the stupid kid, as he was talking I wanted to bash his head in but since bioware didn't give me that option I chose not to continue with that crap **** and just shut the game off... haven't gone back to it and don't plan on going to until this thing comes out and I hear how satisfactory it is...


The god-child is still the game. They said they would NOT change the ending. Just some additional cut-scenes and an epilogue.

BioWare, at the very least, please lose the colors and identical end game sequences.

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Hopefully when this thing comes out it will quiet down all the babies.

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bkn wrote...

I didn't even complete the game... I reached upto the stupid kid, as he was talking I wanted to bash his head in but since bioware didn't give me that option I chose not to continue with that crap **** and just shut the game off... haven't gone back to it and don't plan on going to until this thing comes out and I hear how satisfactory it is...


The extended DLC will not change that  Segment they stated that their only Changing the Ending  scenario  That segment will remain that you solely hate  what if you and your "wife husband or W/e" have a kid lemme guess you want to bash that kids head in to? if so i feel really bad for you and the mother/father of the said child.
but Every one needs to stop raging and Wait before you do more since bioware is releasing it some time this summer imo its fine as it is  their wasn't much of a difference that i see  Minus  the prothean disks and what not  Aside from Wrex's armor and tali's data helping   in the previous  games  including when you talk to tali/legion in Me2  but all in all it did have some plotholes i'll admit that  hopefully it fixes its missing link but if it doesn't i'm just  gonna stick with the multiplayer with my friends as i have been doing since i beaten the game twice.
Also apologies in advance for the kid statment i just  get  aggrivated with people who abuse kids irl .

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Ace Kenshader wrote...

SalsaDMA wrote...

Blazerer wrote...

Sarah Knight wrote...
they could be with their Families and loved ones instead of caring about you guys .
but they  rather  Work their fingers to the bone just please you guys  and make you guy's happy regardless  of the people who actually do like the game.


 ok...  they could be with their Families and loved ones instead of caring about you guys  aaaaaaand there you end up using not only using a worse excuse than the one you tried to tackle not half a sentence ago, you also made it wrong. IT IS THEIR JOB. do you job wrong, get fired. So why should we applaud and salute them for a job poorly done? simple: we don't. 


Urgh. I had completely missed that part. I blame the the poor formatting of his/her text for it. Good of you to spot it Blazer.

I just wanted to add something to that one. It's a lame excuse/comment. Everyone have family and loved ones. You could use the same claim for any of historys worst criminals (and there are plenty of them that have tried using it in their propaganda, to varying effect) but it doesn't make it any more or less true. It's just an irrelevant comment that is grasping for random straws of trying to make doing 'random task X' seem more compasionate.

Well forget about it, Sarah. If they want to, they can stay at home with their loved ones instead of doing their job if they want to. I personally couldn't care less. The ones paying their salary, though, might have something else to say about it, though B)

The world is in no short supply of people actually wanting to have and work in a job. I'm sure we can ignore those of them that just want to stay at home with their loved ones instead, if they feel so much for that particular thing. The people relying on them might feel different, ofc, but that's not really my business to judge on.


You really need to watch what you say, especially if this stupid battle gets some national media attention. With the economy and people struggling just to find jobs and getting food for themselves and they're family, if a news network i.e. FOX News Channel saw that comment, news networks would be willing to brand your side as entitlement ****s who want to rail against the job creators :P, conservative pundits would rip into you people like Fat Albert at an all you can eat buffet.


huh?

I fail to see how what I said can be used as what you said. Maybe it's a cultural difference between you and me, i dunno.

I'll give you an extended cut for free now, to clarify, in case my point got lost: I personally don't care what people decide to do with their lives. People paying their salary might, though, since they would naturally expect people to actually work for their salary rather than stay at home.

There. Same thing, different words. I still fail to see what the issue was with my previous wording, though, so feel free to clarify for me (for free) if there is something I'm not getting about your comment.

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F00lishG wrote...

Hopefully when this thing comes out it will quiet down all the babies.


You mean the customers that purchase BioWare games. It's not good for business when the overwhelming majority don't like the ending.

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Please let there be Happy and Good Endings!!! There should be different Endings as well.

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kbct wrote...

F00lishG wrote...

Hopefully when this thing comes out it will quiet down all the babies.


You mean the customers that purchase BioWare games. It's not good for business when the overwhelming majority don't like the ending.


It's not good for your own integrity when you do things like that. statements like the one foolish makes just proves that if you are ignorant enough, you will keep defending something purely because you accept anything thrown at you

Modifié par Blazerer, 07 avril 2012 - 10:23 .


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Blazerer wrote...

kbct wrote...

F00lishG wrote...

Hopefully when this thing comes out it will quiet down all the babies.


You mean the customers that purchase BioWare games. It's not good for business when the overwhelming majority don't like the ending.


It's not good for your own integrity when you do things like that. statements like the one foolish makes just proves that if you are ignorant enough, you will keep defending something purely because you accept anything thrown at you


The funny thing is even if BioWare only produces this ending patch, they will still download it and enjoy it while complaining about the people that got it for them.

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KGibbers wrote...

*ignorant post*
Not getting involved in the "it sucked debate," but where do I download the Extended Cut? I keep seeing that the free offer ends April 14 and that it won't actually be available until this summer. When and where can I download this?

If this has been answered already someone could please point me in the right direction, I didn't feel like reading through 80 thread pages.


Gib it wont be released till the summer they have no  release date for it  the only thing that is coming out in april as it has been announced was  the link i have below  that will be  available tuesday the 10th  which is in 3-4days but as far as the Extended Dlc  it wont be till the summer frankly but its only to add onto the ending to add more Dialouge and cut sceenese and such.

http://blog.bioware....esurgence-pack/ 

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Quote of the dispute to another forum.

I'm not a fan of Mass Effect, yes. However, there is something a fan, honestly? The first part was good, with no one disputes this. The second part of a failure (in my opinion). But the third out (here, in my opinion) even better than the first. But all these dances with the ending, actually, I do not understand. What's the difference? Anyway - this is the last game of the series. You can kill and all.



My answer is

At that time and again the fans love this universe. What an sci-fi stuff at the time of the dominance of the Jedi, and elves with goblins.
And  this universe died, Ripers won, because boys and magic rays is not a means to combat the evil machines 


In this debate, I finally realized for myself that I did not like in the finale . I hope to explain is not necessary.

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kbct wrote...

F00lishG wrote...

Hopefully when this thing comes out it will quiet down all the babies.


You mean the customers that purchase BioWare games. It's not good for business when the overwhelming majority don't like the ending.


I would be surprised if it really was a majority.  Sure there are plenty of online polls to say that it is a "majority", but I doubt their accuracy (as I do with all things available online- there is too much room for manipulation or skewing of numbers).  Therefore, I would not be surprised if Bioware hired Gallup or Rasmussen after this whole thing broke out to do an internal poll.  The very fact that they are leaving the ending shows that a large number of people liked the ending.  

Ultimately, however, it doesn't really matter if it is a majority or a minority: the game is selling well and the same groups that gave the game perfect or near perfect scores will ensure that the game wins many GOTY awards.  Some fans are angry and threatening to not buy anything Bioware puts out anymore, but with time that sentiment will fade and people will buy the next games Bioware makes.

There is a saying: any publicity is good publicity.  I would be interested to see how many people bought the game just to see what the whole "ending debate" was about.  Bioware has to love all the free publicity for the game.

One thing to note: Bioware is doing people a HUGE favor by making this DLC.  It wasn't part of the plan (they have said that many times), but they are still taking the time to do this for the fans.  There is no way that they could please everyone, but they should be commended for even doing this.  The word "entitled" has been thrown around a lot to describe anti-ending advocates.  I won't use it because I believe that many people are being civil in this debate and that they have legitimate concerns.  However, I do believe that the attitude of "thanks Bioware for taking the extra time to make this DLC, but no thanks" isn't right.  Bioware didn't have to do anything, but the fact that they did shows how much they care about their fans.  

Overall, the ending did leave a lot of questions.  The fact that Bioware is taking the time to address these says that they are a quality company

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Blazerer wrote...

An ending was promised where choices mattered, and were you, as the player, had a say in the grand scheme. Demanding to get that is perfectly fine and will not have any dire rammifications, other than Bioware showing they still care for their fans.


The only problem I continue to see is that nothing was "promised", if you can show me where anyone said..."I promise that the Ending of Mass Effect 3 will turn out exactly like this....ect." then I'll be a little more inclined to believe all these extremely accusations. Just because something was told to you by someone of high status (as crazy as this sounds), it doesn't excuse them from possibly being wrong, or being miss informed.

In regards of the ending:
The choice "did" matter, All three endings were different. They may have all looked the same from your perspective, but the end result (the original goal being "destroy the biggest threat in the galaxy") was achieved in some form.
And on that note, if the endings resulted in the fate of the galaxy being in a different stateat the end of all three, then it would be correct to conclude that "you, as the player, had a say in the grand scheme of things".

Do I think the endings were a letdown, some what, but that doesn't overshadow the reality that they gave us a great story, one that "they" wrote and "knew the end result" from the beginning. I may not agree with the way things ended at the final scene, but if I remember correctly, we did hear, "this won't be the last we hear of commander Shepard."
[I still stand behind the belief that the game ended exactly as they wanted it to, the only thing that was wrong was our expectation of what the ending should look like.]

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So, this DLC is gonna explain..

(1) Why the reaper VI took the form of the kid from earth who was able to run through a locked door, and subsequently survive being INSIDE a building that took a direct hit from a reaper.

(2) Why Shepard never questioned starboys backward logic, or pointed out that Synthetics and Geth were working together RIGHT NOW to take out the reapers.

(3) Why the reapers, (the created) have never rebeled against starboy, (the creator).

(4) How the people who were with you on the ground during the charge got onto the normandy, and why joker was going through a relay before Shep chose a color.

(5) Why Harbinger lets Shepard live and just flies off.

(6) How Anderson managed to follow you through the conduit unnoticed, despite apparently being in the same blast area you were in, and made it through untouched even though Shep was damn near torn apart.

(7) Where that blood from Sheps left side came from, despite not having the wound before the confrontation with TIM and Anderson in which he was forced to shoot Anderson on the left side.

(8) How Hacket even knows you made it through the conduit

(9) How the exploding mass relays did not wipe out every system they were in (despite "the arrival" DLC clearly showing that when one gets taken out, it supernovas and destroys everything.) btw; I KNOW the one in "the arrival" was hit with a planet sized asteroid, and that the ones in ME3 blew up, but destroyed is destroyed, and explosion is explosion.

(10) How we're supposed to "build on our legacy" as Commander Shepard, through future DLC when in 2 endings, Shepard dies, and in the 3rd, is buried under a bunch of rubble. (if only you could've seen my face when the game jumps back to the normandy after i picked the destroy ending) No, crew talking about what we just accomplished like ME2, everyone was sitting around talking our soon to be attack on TIM's base...again. lol. hilarious!!!!!

Good luck with this Bioware....i've only listed a few of the questions you have to answer.

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Throw enough money in their direction and we can buy "artistic integrity". But I suppose even bad story writers have their pride. Look at Uwe Boll, people are happy to pay him money to make bad video game movies, audience reaction be damned. Bioware should hire him as they seem to be on the same wavelength these days in regards to quality control.

But to be fair, ill wait to see the content before judging it. However the tone of the message that many people seem to be oblivious to is that they are just adding content to the current ending that was fundamentally flawed in the first place and ignoring the real argument put forth by most fans that want a change in illogical deus ex ending and not a clarification as there is nothing that actually needs clarifying.

It seems they are adamant to stand behind the flawed protection of "artistic integrity" for a commercial product where everything is designed for consumer money anyway. Bioware should follow Bethesdas lead. They knew the original ending for fallout 3 was rubbish and they acknowledged it and changed the ending to the benefit of their fans albeit at a small cost, as they make money and the fans are happy.

Seems they are content to take a slight damage to their reputation rather than take the effort to genuinely fix the issue, which is a shame but understandble as a complete restructuring of the ending would probably cost too much time and resources and lower their current profit forecasts. Band aid fix so be it!