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[quote]N11 0RD0 wrote...

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(1) Why the reaper VI took the form of the kid from earth who was able to run through a locked door, and subsequently survive being INSIDE a building that took a direct hit from a reaper.[/quote]
The VI wasn't a "Reaper VI", as it stated, it was the one who created the Reapers to add "control" the Chaos in the Galaxy. And about it's choice of "form", why does explaining that even matter?

Because of all the forms for the VI to have, it takes the form of some random kid that Shepard saw "die" in earth?  It said that the citadel is its home, but it looks like some kid that lived on earth, doesn't make any sense. 

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(2) Why Shepard never questioned starboys backward logic, or pointed out that Synthetics and Geth were working together RIGHT NOW to take out the reapers.[/quote]
In regards to the last scene, the Catalyst states that "Synthetics will always seek to destroy organic life",  so his theory in the end would make sense because we can't see what would happen if the Reapers were destroyed and synthetic life and Organic life began to live together. He says that they would eventually rebel.

"Synthetics will always seek to destroy organic life"...can't argue with that, since starboy (synthetic), is having his pet reapers (synthetics) wipe out anything with lungs.  and it takes 50,000 years for a "problem" to come up?  the geth and quarians are the only incident that I know about when it comes to organic v synthetic, and that only lasted 300 years, and was dealt with already.

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(3) Why the reapers, (the created) have never rebeled against starboy, (the creator).[/quote]
Who says they havent? The created in the case of the Reapers, are synthetic, controling them would no doubt be fairly easy.

Not easy enough for TIM to do it apparently.  couldn't starboy just put them in time out or something?

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(4) How the people who were with you on the ground during the charge got onto the normandy, and why joker was going through a relay before Shep chose a color.[/quote]
No one got through from the ground team except Shepard and Anderson. Those bodies, as stated by Anderson, were brought there by the Reapers. Can't answer why Joker got out of there so soon.

I know the dead bodies were brought up by the reapers, i was talking about your squadmates.

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(5) Why Harbinger lets Shepard live and just flies off.[/quote]
No real answer, perhaps it thought Shepard was dead.

You would think harbinger would be smart enough to double check his #1 nemesis' EKG before taking off.  it's like in austin powers when Dr. Evil just leaves the slow moving drill on Powers and walks out.."he'll probably die, so why wait to find out?"  lol.

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(6) How Anderson managed to follow you through the conduit unnoticed, despite apparently being in the same blast area you were in, and made it through untouched even though Shep was damn near torn apart.[/quote]
No true answer on screen was shown, still a mystery to me.

you and me both.

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(7) Where that blood from Sheps left side came from, despite not having the wound before the confrontation with TIM and Anderson in which he was forced to shoot Anderson on the left side.[/quote]
Shepard was injured when he got up off the floor of the room he was transported from. He was shown barly able to walk as he heared the control box with Anderson.

As far as I could tell, he was shot in the right arm before hitting the conduit, and that was it before the confrontation with TIM and Anderson.

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(8) How Hacket even knows you made it through the conduit[/quote]
He was probably just checking to see if he was still alive, after all, his mission was to "open the citadel arms", and since that happened, he just concluded that Shepard was the one that did it.

good point.

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(9) How the exploding mass relays did not wipe out every system they were in (despite "the arrival" DLC clearly showing that when one gets taken out, it supernovas and destroys everything.) btw; I KNOW the one in "the arrival" was hit with a planet sized asteroid, and that the ones in ME3 blew up, but destroyed is destroyed, and explosion is explosion.[/quote] Whos to say it "didn't" wipe almost all life out in most systems where a Relay was present? If that is true then Earth may have been wiped out. As much research as I could find points to this being the only possible conclusion.

makes you wonder why Bioware would have them explode in the first place if thier own DLC showed what happens if they do.

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(10) How we're supposed to "build on our legacy" as Commander Shepard, through future DLC when in 2 endings, Shepard dies, and in the 3rd, is buried under a bunch of rubble. (if only you could've seen my face when the game jumps back to the normandy after i picked the destroy ending) No, crew talking about what we just accomplished like ME2, everyone was sitting around talking our soon to be attack on TIM's base...again. lol. hilarious!!!!!
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If the other two endings are chosen, it may end like the ending of ME2 where shepard doen't make it. Although, with the ending where he lives, perhaps he was transpoted somewhere else, or, like the indoctrination theory suggests, perhaps he is still laying on the ground in front of the Citadel Transport Beam.

I hope so dammit.

These are the only answers I could muster from the last scene and throughout the 1,2 and 3 story. I would venture to say that questions like these won't be addressed because there are others that weigh more heavily on the conclusion of the game, concerning more with the characters Shepard had friendships with. Just my thoughts.

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And I appreciate those thoughts. :)  just goes to show Bioware/EA that these questions CAN be answered..and I bet it didn't even take you 20 mins to come up with answers right on the spot.

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I'm just glad that both Bioware and EA care enough about their customers opinions to make a change.

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Spazzinouthard wrote...

I'm just glad that both Bioware and EA care enough about their customers opinions to make a change.

What change? It more than likely is going to make the ending go from a horrible piece of crap into a regular piece of crap. If they cared, they would actually do a proper, functional ending as opposed to just explaining why their crappy ending sucks.

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You REALLY need to stop using the phrase "artistic vision". It so pretentious.

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Iceman22012 wrote...

And I appreciate those thoughts. :)  just goes to show Bioware/EA that these questions CAN be answered..and I bet it didn't even take you 20 mins to come up with answers right on the spot.


No problem, actually on the last page of posts, the guy who had a Q&A with Patrick Weekes at PAX has some interesting insight on the ending and other things. Almost makes me glad I've believed the best this whole time.
The Q&A is the last post on Page 87 of this thread.
Hope it helps!

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Bomberman2_0 wrote...

[Forum post from last entry on page 87 of this thread]


I want to believe this is true!!!!!!! All I can do is hope!

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Spazzinouthard wrote...

I'm just glad that both Bioware and EA care enough about their customers opinions to make change clarification.

Fixed. I agree though. I would have paid for it, and it is free. So why complain about this? 
I understand the anger, I hated the ending too. A lot. It hurt me. But, Bioware owns my videogamer soul at the end of the day. I can't say I care for any other company as much as I do this one. 

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I would have paid for additional endings. I'm interested to see what the "clarification" DLC will be, but I don't think it will be what I want. I highly doubt I will be satisfied with mere clarification of the current endings. They are just too far of a departure from what I wanted in MY ending.

Mass Effect was a great story, right up until the last 15 minutes of the final game. It really is a shame.

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MoldySpore wrote...

I would have paid for additional endings. I'm interested to see what the "clarification" DLC will be, but I don't think it will be what I want. I highly doubt I will be satisfied with mere clarification of the current endings. They are just too far of a departure from what I wanted in MY ending.

Mass Effect was a great story, right up until the last 15 minutes of the final game. It really is a shame.


I agree. I understand too. I bought every last DLC for Mass Effect 1-3. and Dragon Age as well. A couple of those were...well let's just say a waste of time/money and hard drive space. But, this is free...
I do not dare add up the money I have spent on Bioware/EA games. I own everything they put out, some on more than one console... Mass Effect is my favorite of them. I will not complain about free, because ultimately I know I got my money's worth. I paid for entertainment, I received it. I am just saying, let's see what is handed to us and go from there. Because all the anger is getting depressing.

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I'm hoping for the best. I appreciate that it will be free, as I'm sure many others do. I won't judge until I've played/seen it myself. 

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N11 0RD0 wrote...

Iceman22012 wrote...

And I appreciate those thoughts. :)  just goes to show Bioware/EA that these questions CAN be answered..and I bet it didn't even take you 20 mins to come up with answers right on the spot.


No problem, actually on the last page of posts, the guy who had a Q&A with Patrick Weekes at PAX has some interesting insight on the ending and other things. Almost makes me glad I've believed the best this whole time.
The Q&A is the last post on Page 87 of this thread.
Hope it helps!

Just read the post.  interesting bits of info in there, at least someone was bold enough to answer some questions about the mass relays, if everyone is stranded in the sol system, a slight explination as to why joker bailed.....  shame it had to come to that, given the game has been out for a month, but i'll take it over nothing right now.

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No new ending, like all mass relays will explode and make all galaxy starve??? NIceeee better dont play and let ripers eat all lives, this is a better death.

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Underlaw wrote...

No new ending, like all mass relays will explode and make all galaxy starve??? NIceeee better dont play and let ripers eat all lives, this is a better death.


not Entirely True  Humans  Asari and batarians etc didn't need the  Mass Relays  but their Technology was based off of it because the council races "including humans "  believed that it was  Prothean  until  Sovereign  told them that it was Reaper tech  left their for them to  Study and Learn  enough so that they can "harvest" us and every other races while Leaving the lesser inferior  beings alone  Hence Why the humans Asari Krogan  Batarians wer left untouched when the protheans and the other races wer  eventually violently cast aside.

But the Relays  aren't their only means to get back to  their planets they are Still Able to   jump to FTL   but it takes Longer  than it would by using a mass relay   the one in Me2 Gave off a bad   impression that they didn't want us to interpet wrong   the Mass relay in Me2 that was Destroid Via  the astroid with an eezo core probs bigger than a dreadnaught  or equal to ended up smashing into  it when both Colided the eezo core that the  Astroid had along with the destruction of the relay  caused the deaths of those batarians in the end..

Put shortly  the Relays aren't any means of all of the species in  Me  being dead because they cant go back to their homes they still can due to the technology that they have learned thanks to  the reapers  in turn depending on what you do still Saves lives regardless .

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Sarah Knight wrote...

Underlaw wrote...

No new ending, like all mass relays will explode and make all galaxy starve??? NIceeee better dont play and let ripers eat all lives, this is a better death.


not Entirely True  Humans  Asari and batarians etc didn't need the  Mass Relays  but their Technology was based off of it because the council races "including humans "  believed that it was  Prothean  until  Sovereign  told them that it was Reaper tech  left their for them to  Study and Learn  enough so that they can "harvest" us and every other races while Leaving the lesser inferior  beings alone  Hence Why the humans Asari Krogan  Batarians wer left untouched when the protheans and the other races wer  eventually violently cast aside.

But the Relays  aren't their only means to get back to  their planets they are Still Able to   jump to FTL   but it takes Longer  than it would by using a mass relay   the one in Me2 Gave off a bad   impression that they didn't want us to interpet wrong   the Mass relay in Me2 that was Destroid Via  the astroid with an eezo core probs bigger than a dreadnaught  or equal to ended up smashing into  it when both Colided the eezo core that the  Astroid had along with the destruction of the relay  caused the deaths of those batarians in the end..

Put shortly  the Relays aren't any means of all of the species in  Me  being dead because they cant go back to their homes they still can due to the technology that they have learned thanks to  the reapers  in turn depending on what you do still Saves lives regardless .


Actually,  Faster than Light doesn't get you much.  Light isn't terribly fast with the distances we're talking here,  it can take thousands or tens of thousands of years for light to travel from point A to point B.  For FTL to be relevant,  we'd have to be talking many,  many,  times the speed of light.

If you want intergalatic travel,  you're going to need the ability to warp space/time,  or the ability to travel at a very large factor over the speed of light.

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Gatt9 wrote...

Sarah Knight wrote...

Underlaw wrote...

No new ending, like all mass relays will explode and make all galaxy starve??? NIceeee better dont play and let ripers eat all lives, this is a better death.


not Entirely True  Humans  Asari and batarians etc didn't need the  Mass Relays  but their Technology was based off of it because the council races "including humans "  believed that it was  Prothean  until  Sovereign  told them that it was Reaper tech  left their for them to  Study and Learn  enough so that they can "harvest" us and every other races while Leaving the lesser inferior  beings alone  Hence Why the humans Asari Krogan  Batarians wer left untouched when the protheans and the other races wer  eventually violently cast aside.

But the Relays  aren't their only means to get back to  their planets they are Still Able to   jump to FTL   but it takes Longer  than it would by using a mass relay   the one in Me2 Gave off a bad   impression that they didn't want us to interpet wrong   the Mass relay in Me2 that was Destroid Via  the astroid with an eezo core probs bigger than a dreadnaught  or equal to ended up smashing into  it when both Colided the eezo core that the  Astroid had along with the destruction of the relay  caused the deaths of those batarians in the end..

Put shortly  the Relays aren't any means of all of the species in  Me  being dead because they cant go back to their homes they still can due to the technology that they have learned thanks to  the reapers  in turn depending on what you do still Saves lives regardless .


Actually,  Faster than Light doesn't get you much.  Light isn't terribly fast with the distances we're talking here,  it can take thousands or tens of thousands of years for light to travel from point A to point B.  For FTL to be relevant,  we'd have to be talking many,  many,  times the speed of light.

If you want intergalatic travel,  you're going to need the ability to warp space/time,  or the ability to travel at a very large factor over the speed of light.


you obviously Stated what i did but Differently  i dont have a way of words unlike some people on this forum so i'm expressing it how i can  do my best without making unreadable sentences that mind boggle every one >_<

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You know what keep saying artistic vision and artistic integrity the ending is what
Has distroyed the artistic vision and integrity of ME1,2 and 3
Re:Alucidmind
Not that I don't appreciate your point's but I'm not wrong technically or
Otherwise lol because even though I do agree with most of what you say
I am not arguing with YOUR opinion I'm on here like everyone else arguing
With BIOWARES official statement of why they won't change the ending of ME3
In no official open letter from the company do they ever say "Hey Guys were
A company and we don't give two $@!?'s about our costumers we want to make
Money and you'll take what we give ya and like it because we say so because
It's OUR game and your lucky we give you the opportunity to play it."
No their official letter reads in a nutshell "We respect our fans but we believe in
Artistic integrity and artistic vision and we are damn proud of our ending and our
Team."
And my statement about their ending actully destroying the artistic vision and
Integrity of the first 2 Mass Effect games and the 3 one up to the last 15 minutes
Is valid because if you look up the meaning of the word integrity it literally means"A
Concept of consistency of actions,values,methods,measures,principals,expectations,
And outcomes.In ethics,integrity is regarded as honesty and truthfulness or accracy
Of one's actions.Integrity can be regarded as the opposite of hypocrisy in that it
Regards internal consistency as a virtue,and suggests that parties holding apparently
Conflicting values should account for the discrepancy or alter their beliefs. Now that
I know the meaning of the word "Integrity" I'd say the last 15 minutes of ME3 destroyed
The integrity of all 3 games and as for dark energy would of,could of,should of,
If if's and but's were candy and nut's then we'd all have a magical Christmas,it
Does not matter what they could have done it matters what they did,and I'm not
Putting specific blame on anybody they're all in the same boat and sailing down
$&!* creek together without a paddle saying hell yeah we're proud of our ending
There is no Luke Skywalker looking to blow up the death star theres no official
Statement from the Mass Effect team saying Caseys gone rouge let's take him
Out of his position of power and take back the citadel their are all standing together
Proud of this turd burger they made and there trying to feed us but at the end of the
Day I appreciate your opinion it was valid just misplaced and it helped me articulate
My own thoughts so thank you for that,sincerely Reo Onx.

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Like most have said; it doesn't seem like you actually read the complaints about what angered the loyal fanbase. The suggestions and feedback seems to be largely ignored. Fleshing out the ending was only part of the complaints. The main ones address the endings themselves.

I will reserve judgement until I've actually seen the endings, but from what I have read; it really doesn't give me much hope for the ending of such a great series. I really really hope I am wrong.

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Reo onx wrote...

You know what keep saying artistic vision and artistic integrity the ending is what
Has distroyed the artistic vision and integrity of ME1,2 and 3

Technically incorrect. BioWare, as a company dependant on customers, never had artistic integrity. Artistic integrity grants them the ability to do literally whatever they want and to hell with anyone who does not like it. BioWare cannot do what they do without customers and are owned by EA, meaning they have no independance because have to please both EA and their customers. They want to have artistic integrity, they should have been doing it simply because they wanted to and be completely independant.

And the ending isn't what destroyed their artistic vision. Hudson and Walters destroyed the vision because (one) they apparently did not know a damned thing about Mass Effect and (two) they changed the damn plot of the entire trilogy in the final hour. It was originally "Dark Energy", but they decide to scrap that plot. So they have no right to claim that this was their "artistic vision", they should be saying "Hudson's and Walter's, incompetence".

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Dear BioWare

It appears that you have done the impossible. I loved this game; I love the whole Mass effect series. I could not have imagined that it was possible to ruin not just Mass Effect 3, but the entire series with less than ten minutes of barely interactive cut-scenes. This is not a 'bittersweet ending' it's an outright BAD ending.

This is not about the hopes of self-entitled fans being dashed, this is about the fact that you have people on this forum saying things like "Mass Effect is dead to me" and "I will never play another BioWare game." What you have done with Mass Effect 3's ending makes no sense on any level. It makes no sense within the game’s world. It makes no sense considering the kinds of games Mass Effect are. And it makes no business sense in the real world either.

And yet you announce that you 'stand by your artistic vision'. If that's true, then you should be ashamed of yourselves. Your 'artistic vision' literally betrays everything that that very same vision produced in the first place. For you to think that the gaping wound you've torn into your own creative integrity and the confidence of your customers, can be fixed with a few cinematic band-aids is monumentally arrogant.

Games do not exist for your 'artistic vision' they exist for players. Players are who really tell the story; you a merely their guide. BioWare understood that once.

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aLucidMind wrote...

Reo onx wrote...

You know what keep saying artistic vision and artistic integrity the ending is what
Has distroyed the artistic vision and integrity of ME1,2 and 3


Technically incorrect. BioWare, as a company dependant on customers, never had
artistic integrity. Artistic integrity grants them the ability to do  literally whatever they want and to hell with anyone who does not like it. BioWare cannot do what they do without customers and are owned by EA, meaning they have no independance because have to please both EA and their customers. They want to have artistic integrity, they should have been doing it simply because they wanted to and be completely independant.

And the ending isn't what destroyed their artistic vision. Hudson and Walters destroyed the vision because (one) they apparently did not know a damned thing about Mass Effect and (two) they changed the damn plot of the entire trilogy in the final hour. It was originally "Dark Energy", but they decide to scrap that plot. So they have no right to claim that this was their "artistic vision", they should be saying "Hudson's and Walter's, incompetence fault.

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aLucidMind wrote...
And the ending isn't what destroyed their artistic vision. Hudson and Walters destroyed the vision because (one) they apparently did not know a damned thing about Mass Effect and (two) they changed the damn plot of the entire trilogy in the final hour. It was originally "Dark Energy", but they decide to scrap that plot. So they have no right to claim that this was their "artistic vision", they should be saying "Hudson's and Walter's, incompetence".

Can you tell me where to look for hint on dark energy? The only thing I remember - is star which according to Tali is too old for it's age. 

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vania z wrote...

Can you tell me where to look for hint on dark energy? The only thing I remember - is star which according to Tali is too old for it's age.

The "Dark Energy"-Plotline was intended by Drew Karpyshyn back in ME1,
as you see in ME2 (Heastroms dying star): 
http://www.strategyi...ffect-3-endings

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reeot wrote...
The "Dark Energy"-Plotline was intended by Drew Karpyshyn back in ME1,
as you see in ME2 (Heastroms dying star): 
http://www.strategyi...ffect-3-endings

Thanks, but I already knew about the star:) Is there anything else that hints on dark energy? This star - is the only time I remember it in game. 

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Derek Larke wrote...



Why are you releasing the Extended Cut DLC?
Though we remain committed and are proud of the artistic choices we made in the main game, we are aware that there are some fans



SOME?. I didn't know we were a minority..

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vania z wrote...

Thanks, but I already knew about the star:) Is there anything else that hints on dark energy? This star - is the only time I remember it in game.


Theres only one more time this was being mentione, as far as i can remember:

"When asked about the nature of her next mission, Gianna mentions that some people are interested in dark energy and whether it's something her superiors should be concerned about."
- Source: Mass Effect Wikia / ME2

In ME3 there could also had been more foreshadowing, if they had sticked to their original plotline.
After all the "Mass Effect" is only possible because of dark energy.