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[Blazerer]

reeot wrote...

vania z wrote...

Thanks, but I already knew about the star:) Is there anything else that hints on dark energy? This star - is the only time I remember it in game.

Theres only one more time this was being mentione, as far as i can remember:

"When asked about the nature of her next mission, Gianna mentions that some people are interested in dark energy and whether it's something her superiors should be concerned about."
- Source: Mass Effect Wikia / ME2

In ME3 there could also had been more foreshadowing, if they had sticked to their original plotline.
After all the "Mass Effect" is only possible because of dark energy.

very true, and it would have made a LOT more sense thent his nonesense.

[Corbinus]

-Is there still a setting to explore after the ending? Is everything ruined?
The setting is definitely not ruined. We still have a big, lively galaxy.

-Will long-distance superluminal travel still be possible post-Ending? (will Tali or Wrex or Garrus see their homeworlds again? Will everyone starve?)
Galactic civilization will rebuild. The mass relays were not necessary for interstellar flight.
People have never needed to research basic FTL improvements before because they have mass relays. With the relays gone, new technology will increase that speed. Additionally, the element zero cores of the dead/controlled Reapers can be used to improve FTL drives. Starflight will continue using conventional FTL.
Did the mass relays pull an Arrival and go supernova?
No, they didn't. (i'm paraphrasing here, please don't interpret this too hard) They overloaded, they didn't rupture. We really didn't mean to imply that the whole galaxy had been destroyed. People interpreted the ending in ways we really didn't expect.
Do the Reapers really only generate one capital ship per cycle? How do they ever break even?
 this cycle was really anomalous. They don't normally take any capital-size Reaper losses at all.

Huh.
I head canoned all of this shortly after I finished the game.

[Molenir]

DarkCaje wrote...

You're all a bunch of whiny b*****. IT IS FREE!

Hey, ya know, I just took a dump.  I really don't want to bother flushing it.  How about I give it to you?  You're ok with it right, because after all, its free!

You can dress it up anyway you like, but when it comes down to it, crap is still crap.  ME3 is the last bioware product I'll be buying.  And I'll be giving a hard look at EA for that matter as well.

[The Milky Waver]

Bioware just made things so much more complicated for themselves. I am looking forward as to see how this will turn out. Good luck Bioware, you'll need it.

[Daap]

http://social.biowar...11/polls/31441/

[Rasofe]

Top 5 things an extended cut won't and can't change:

1. The Starchild.
2. The Relays' Fate.
3. Lack of Boss Fight (Marauder Shields: ASSUMING DIRECT CONTROL? No?)
4. The Normandy Marooned.
5. The Reapers.

Everything else they CAN actually fix, the question is whether they will. Not enough different endings? Final piece too much like an ABC choice? Solveable. Just make the conclusion an algorithm outcome of previous choices. Example: Saved Rachni, Killed Quarians, Cured Genophage creates setup X. You may then choose switch A, B, or C for setup X to produce three different outcomes, AX, BX, or CX. Alternatively you may have another setup and the switch produces three completely different outcomes. THIS IS POSSIBLE.

What isn't going to happen is that the Starchild won't be removed, hence Shepard turns from King to Pawn in a matter of seconds. What isn't going to happen is they won't turn the Reapers back into The Unknowable Evil that they were in the first games (eg. Sovereign: WE ARE BEYOND YOUR COMPREHENSION, Harbinger: I WILL SHOW YOU TRUE POWER). What won't happen is the Mass Effect Relays will not be saved. And the Normandy team won't be reunited with Shepard.

Because those are changes and things that Bioware have decided are good plot outcomes, and they will stick by their guns no matter what. You could say, "OH, but if I control the Reapers maybe I can save the galaxy anyway, maybe make new Mass Relays out of the Reapers' cores". That would be appealing, it would even be appealing that you can eventually save the Normandy crew. But that won't happen, because Bioware have decided that's the way they want it to be.

So yeah, we can beg for choice and clarity, but those top 5 things will stay in the status quo and Bioware will not change them, because they're not things you can deal with in an Extended Cut, and some things need to be REMOVED from the ending to make it better.

[Rasofe]

Corbinus wrote...

-Is there still a setting to explore after the ending? Is everything ruined?
The setting is definitely not ruined. We still have a big, lively galaxy.

-Will long-distance superluminal travel still be possible post-Ending? (will Tali or Wrex or Garrus see their homeworlds again? Will everyone starve?)
Galactic civilization will rebuild. The mass relays were not necessary for interstellar flight.
People have never needed to research basic FTL improvements before because they have mass relays. With the relays gone, new technology will increase that speed. Additionally, the element zero cores of the dead/controlled Reapers can be used to improve FTL drives. Starflight will continue using conventional FTL.
Did the mass relays pull an Arrival and go supernova?
No, they didn't. (i'm paraphrasing here, please don't interpret this too hard) They overloaded, they didn't rupture. We really didn't mean to imply that the whole galaxy had been destroyed. People interpreted the ending in ways we really didn't expect.
Do the Reapers really only generate one capital ship per cycle? How do they ever break even?
 this cycle was really anomalous. They don't normally take any capital-size Reaper losses at all.

Huh.
I head canoned all of this shortly after I finished the game.

Source?

[Rasofe]

Jackiepoo wrote...

If the Starchild was just a representation of people Shepard has met and say If Shepard chooses the destroy ending, it would be so much better if the AI turns into Harbinger or something? Just to make it more menacing.

Like I said, won't happen because they like the Starchild.

[smaste1]

BioWare. You're obviously not getting the message. So I'm going to explain it as you need it clearly. The ending makes NO SENSE. You CANNOT add a random character. You CANNOT add 14 lines and EXPECT people to love it. You're also arrogant, you're taking way too much pride in your work. Don't get me wrong, I love Mass Effect, 1, 2 and most of 3. WE DO NOT WANT YOU TO EXPLAIN IT. It is not "Some" of you fans it is the MAJORITY what you do now will decide whether EA has ****ed you over or not.

DICE have gone through the same thing, but it's a multiplayer based franchise, so it doesn't hit the CORE FANS as hard. They resisted EA. You bent over faster than Chobot did for a place on your game. You can undo this mistake. But remember what I've slurred out in a rage. What you do now will decide whether or not you're a lasting company. Just because you're proud doesn't make a difference, if you weren't making it for people's approval, which you seem to be denying, you would have released it ALL for FREE. I don't care that I get 10 minutes of cutscenes for free. I can "Play" the whole game for FREE on YouTube.

BioWare. You're clearly not getting the message. What you need to do is slap your head writer and say "DO IT AGAIN!" But you wouldn't do that. You're clearly indoctrinated (THEORY GO FOR IT SCREW YOUR CHEAP 2D FISH CORNER CUTTING ENDING WITH TALI'S PHOTO AND BEING ABLE TO WALK THROUGH BOXES) and that is why you must be eliminated. I'm sorry, but EA has you now.

[Cloudwulf]

Do you want what PR Techniques Bioware uses and how we can win this?

Read:
http://social.biowar...ndex/10084349/1

[kbct]

aLucidMind wrote...

Reo onx wrote...

You know what keep saying artistic vision and artistic integrity the ending is what
Has distroyed the artistic vision and integrity of ME1,2 and 3

Technically incorrect. BioWare, as a company dependant on customers, never had artistic integrity. Artistic integrity grants them the ability to do literally whatever they want and to hell with anyone who does not like it. BioWare cannot do what they do without customers and are owned by EA, meaning they have no independance because have to please both EA and their customers. They want to have artistic integrity, they should have been doing it simply because they wanted to and be completely independant.

And the ending isn't what destroyed their artistic vision. Hudson and Walters destroyed the vision because (one) they apparently did not know a damned thing about Mass Effect and (two) they changed the damn plot of the entire trilogy in the final hour. It was originally "Dark Energy", but they decide to scrap that plot. So they have no right to claim that this was their "artistic vision", they should be saying "Hudson's and Walter's, incompetence".

Well said. Everything always seems to come back to Walters and Hudson. Evidence suggests they worked on the ending themselves without letting it be vetted by the whole writing team. The rest of the story was vetted and it shows.

[Christianswe]

Good luck.
I am hopeful. But i still feel you guys missed the point. Sure, it is your story. But a bad idea, still is a bad idea. Sorry.

[kbct]

Rasofe wrote...

Corbinus wrote...

-Is there still a setting to explore after the ending? Is everything ruined?
The setting is definitely not ruined. We still have a big, lively galaxy.

-Will long-distance superluminal travel still be possible post-Ending? (will Tali or Wrex or Garrus see their homeworlds again? Will everyone starve?)
Galactic civilization will rebuild. The mass relays were not necessary for interstellar flight.
People have never needed to research basic FTL improvements before because they have mass relays. With the relays gone, new technology will increase that speed. Additionally, the element zero cores of the dead/controlled Reapers can be used to improve FTL drives. Starflight will continue using conventional FTL.
Did the mass relays pull an Arrival and go supernova?
No, they didn't. (i'm paraphrasing here, please don't interpret this too hard) They overloaded, they didn't rupture. We really didn't mean to imply that the whole galaxy had been destroyed. People interpreted the ending in ways we really didn't expect.
Do the Reapers really only generate one capital ship per cycle? How do they ever break even?
 this cycle was really anomalous. They don't normally take any capital-size Reaper losses at all.

Huh.
I head canoned all of this shortly after I finished the game.

Source?

Confirmed, but paraphrased answers from Patrick Weekes, a writer on the Mass Effect team:

http://forums.someth...8#post402359506

As for headcanoning the ending in the same fashion, evidence from the god-child, codex, cinematics, and Arrival DLC suggest the relays were destroyed resulting in supernova explosions. The god-child said "destroyed", not "overloaded."

However, it makes sense the writers wouldn't want that because supernova explosions so close to inhabitable worlds would basically wipe out all civilization near the relays.

The ambiguity relating to the relays is just another example of why the ending sucked. However, the relay problem can be easily fxed with different cinematics and word-choice from the god-child.

The deus ex machina can't be easily fixed.

Modifié par kbct, 08 avril 2012 - 01:27 .

[poerksen]

- Total lack of narrative cohesion btw. the ending and the rest of the game.

Probably the best video I have found regarding the ending and I agree with everything this guy is saying. 40 minutes long, but worth it.

[tommynocker001]

Maybe BW are right and the ending just needs a little more polish... it's certainly been covered in enough spit!
While I await the new end, I can play through the exceedingly short Syndicate again (and again...).

[Shepard needs a Vacation]

SO you stilled lied about the Rachni role in ME3 huh? Those 100 ems points really played a big role in the ending Bioware, don't be fooled here people Bioware are still liars

[kenshun666]

i hope that they release a new ending for people that are whining and that it just royally screws you over something like you denie starchild and he turns around kills your ass

[Blazerer]

kenshun666 wrote...

i hope that they release a new ending for people that are whining and that it just royally screws you over something like you denie starchild and he turns around kills your ass

Because I've told this to EA-fanboys and other ignorants a billion times already: there is a list about the length of an average forum page (page, not post) detailing promises Bioware made AND broke. The ending and insults were the final drop.

if you don't get that after a million time, you are blind, ignorant and choose to take whatever is thrown at you. Feel free to do so, but don't drag us down with you

[venom56321489]

Cloudwulf has link that has all pr tactics and Bioware is employing them step by step. This closure is a pr stunt to say here you fans have a point, but ultimately we really are not getting anything. It is a pr stunt to split the majority hating the ending in half. Look at the polls concerning dlc now.

50% dont buy it

30% unsure but quietly waiting

they just cut 90% vocal majority of fans in half, that keeps up fans lose

[schwarzaj]

Sold my copy after I heard the news. Bioware obviously doesn't give a damn about its fanbase, no matter how much say they do. Bioware screwed up here, and their actions have not only destroyed a franchise I loved, but betrayed a fanbase I was happy to be a part of.

[Rasofe]

Cloudwulf wrote...

Do you want what PR Techniques Bioware uses and how we can win this?

Read:
http://social.biowar...ndex/10084349/1

Wow, man.
But you have to admit, it takes a public to have public relations.
Hey, if EA wanted to cut costs why didn't they just fire the PR team? I mean, before the endings Bioware was pretty much beloved by the masses, no need for a PR team to do that.

Well, I guess they make mistakes.

[Blazerer]

Rasofe wrote...

Cloudwulf wrote...

Do you want what PR Techniques Bioware uses and how we can win this?

Read:
http://social.biowar...ndex/10084349/1

Wow, man.
But you have to admit, it takes a public to have public relations.
Hey, if EA wanted to cut costs why didn't they just fire the PR team? I mean, before the endings Bioware was pretty much beloved by the masses, no need for a PR team to do that.

Well, I guess they make mistakes.

a 'mistake' is the ending, all the things that followed are pure malevolence. You are right in that they used to have a fanbase that would defend them at any costs, i'm one of them, but with all the lieing and decieving, not to mention downright mocking their fans they've lost most if not nearly all of that support. as it should be

[Rasofe]

Hmm, after reading Patrick Weekes interview it seems pretty plain that the artistic vision...
*Takes a cigarette puff*
... was not entirely an artistic vision at all.

P.S. It's the same Hilary? Joker's sister was a farmgirl?
I thought his family was heavy aliance military, not colonists.

Modifié par Rasofe, 08 avril 2012 - 02:50 .

[Rasofe]

Blazerer wrote...

Rasofe wrote...

Cloudwulf wrote...

Do you want what PR Techniques Bioware uses and how we can win this?

Read:
http://social.biowar...ndex/10084349/1

Wow, man.
But you have to admit, it takes a public to have public relations.
Hey, if EA wanted to cut costs why didn't they just fire the PR team? I mean, before the endings Bioware was pretty much beloved by the masses, no need for a PR team to do that.

Well, I guess they make mistakes.

a 'mistake' is the ending, all the things that followed are pure malevolence. You are right in that they used to have a fanbase that would defend them at any costs, i'm one of them, but with all the lieing and decieving, not to mention downright mocking their fans they've lost most if not nearly all of that support. as it should be

And I'm saying, they should've cut costs on the PR team, i.e. fired them, and written better endings from scratch.