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[ratzerman]

I hope Shepard's romance plays a role in this DLC.

If we can't get a new ending, maybe we can get a happier one?

[Sardart]

I guess angry fans trolling for an ending DLC just gave bioware some good advice to milk for cash.

And yeah, if I get an extended cut with Liara and Shep's child I'll buy that day one.

Modifié par Sardart, 05 avril 2012 - 04:23 .

[Squallypo]

no comments.

[KyuzoS7]

is it going to explain/extend the red hidden bonus scene? or are you guys going to herp derp us and say wait for ME4?

[breadedpudding]

heart486 wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

heart486 wrote...

 This is pathetic. How many times do we have to say it?! We don't just want closure, (...)

Again with the "we." Some people only want closure; others want a different ending; others want IT to be true; others don't care. There are many "we" and Bioware will inevitably disappoint some.

"We" as in the people unhappy with the ending. If you aren't one of those people that it doesn't apply to you.

Yes, but most assume when you use the term "we" that it includes everyone, regardless. I would suggest using something that explains a bit more that it's the people that are unhappy with the ending, not everyone in general.

[wymm666]

Well this is good. Real good. Shows EA's Bioware at least cares about future and future's profit.

HOWEVER. I'm going to wait till the bloody thing comes out before I reinstall my ME3 game again (after uninstalling it right after my first and only playthrough)

Sorry, actually I'm not sorry, but after such a let down like that it'll take a lot of convincing before I place my trust, and by extension, my cash into EA again. A lot of convincing.

Trust is like a piece of paper. It's completely smooth to start with, you can write on it erase things, but it's still flat and smooth when the trust is there. Losing trust is crumpling it, you can try and flatten again, but it'll never be the same, and the wrinkles will always be there.

The eerie feeling that this is going to be another let down is just ... hanging there. And I don't even have any expectation this time around. I'm expecting the worst and somehow, "worst expectation" just doesn't cut it anymore.

Modifié par wymm666, 05 avril 2012 - 04:24 .

[BeefoTheBold]

The words "Lipstick on a pig" come to mind.

I do want to acknowledge and praise Bioware's decision to make this "Extended Cut" content free of charge, but they still don't seem to realize that the ending doesn't need additional "clarity".

People understand the ending. Us being too stupid to get it isn't the problem.

The issue is that the endings make absolutely no sense. This is not, and has never been, about gamers needing the ending explained more slowly. It is about the endings being poorly written, illogical, rushed, filled with retconns and plot holes, and ignoring player choices/agency.

So, I do want to applaud Bioware for their decision to try and release additional content at no charge, but they still have not gotten what is needed right yet.

My guess is that this has nothing to do with "Artistic Integrity". My guess is that there is a desire not to change the endings because work on the next Mass Effect game has already begun and is based on the current ending. Artistic Integrity is just the cover story.

I urge folks who continue to push for wholly new endings to not give up, but to acknowledge the effort that Bioware made today to at least acknowledge our issues and make the new content free. By all means, continue the push, but applaud the "free" decision and the reprioritizing of other DLC.

[AVPen]

Traim Eisenblut wrote...

Dear BioWare,

the artistic vision of your team corrupts and breaks the narrative coherence of the triology. That is the central critical failure of the games ending and it's been adressed and explained many times over. Yet, it get's not resolved. A nonsensical and illogical conclusion, represented by the character of Starchild, can not be brought in line with the established lore of the franchise and can not present continuity or closure to the audiance, no matter how much clarification you put into it.

As this character alone is symptomatic for the most essential cause of our dissatisfaction with the games ending, the decision to keep him and his "solutions" (which are also illogical and nonsensical) does not make us believe you "listened" to us. In fact, it shows the very opposite.

As you value your "artistic vision", even if it clearly breaks a central aspect of the franchise and the the artwork as a whole, over the perception of your customers, you encourage us to not purchase future Mass Effect or BioWare productions. I will regard it further as an "informed customer decision" that BioWare products are not meant to entertain me, but to present and enforce a childish and in parts utterly stupid artistic experiment on me.

Thanks no. My money is better invested in other companies.

Was gonna type out a long response to this "news", but the person above said everything I wanted to say. 

Bioware..... you have NOT been listening to your fanbase, you do NOT understand why we are all so upset, disappointed, and angry over these "endings", and your constant insistance of your "artistic vision" (which, by the way, I'm not sure you entirely know the meaning off) does NOT excuse the fact that the last 10 minutes of Mass Effect 3 features one of the most inept, nonsensical, ridiculous, cliche-ridden, depressing, and heart-wretching bastardization of a climax that I've ever witnessed in a narative media, which manages to completely render every single choice and narative theme of the Mass Effect franchise to be utterly meaningless to both its in-game characters and its real-life fanbase.

[Persephone]

DoctorEss wrote...

Persephone wrote...

DoctorEss wrote...

Persephone wrote...

For the LOVE OF CHRIST.....

PLAY the DLC first. Wait and see.

Geez, we get a free DLC and all people do is complaining? Check out the DLC's content. If it's not sufficient, you can still complain then. Give Bioware a (tentative) break for now and wait for PAX/answers/the DLC itself.

Generally when someone has lost trust, and lost respect, you don't keep giving them chances to screw up further.

Sorry.  Guilty until proven innocent, in this case.

What a lovely bastardization of the law.

I wish Bioware had not announced anything at this point. Because not even a FREE DLC as a compromise is good enough.

Sometimes a compromise is the best you can hope for.

I believe you used that wrong.

That said, it's the truth.  I'm not going to give them the benefit of the doubt.  If someone you hired to housesit for you stole from you, would you let them do it again just becuase they said "pretty please"?  No. 

Stopped reading there because that is in NO WAY comparable to a game's ending disappointing you. But then again, some of you compared the endings to being raped (!) or Bioware killing your children (!!!!!). You sicken me.

[LinksOcarina]

heart486 wrote...

OdanUrr wrote...

heart486 wrote...

 This is pathetic. How many times do we have to say it?! We don't just want closure, (...)

Again with the "we." Some people only want closure; others want a different ending; others want IT to be true; others don't care. There are many "we" and Bioware will inevitably disappoint some.

"We" as in the people unhappy with the ending. If you aren't one of those people that it doesn't apply to you.

I was not wild about the ending, but I did want closure.

So stop saying we, because it implies too much group think.

[Forsythia]

lol, they're proud of the starchild character and the A-B-C ending. I can't even say that with a straight face.

*note: yes, you should be proud of the rest of the game, I agree, because I think that is bloody awesome. You just blew it in the last 5 minutes.

[underwatercartooncat]

So there you have it. Are we proud of the game we made and the team that made it? Hell yes. Are we going to change the ending of the game? No. Do we appreciate the passion and listen to the feedback delivered to us by our fans? Very much so and we are responding.

Be good to each other and Summer is coming...

So there you have it. Did I love and play every single Bioware game since Baldure's Gate? Hell yes. Do I think the ending is acceptable, honest to the series and Bioware's earlier statements? No. Did i read the passionate damage controll efforts by Bioware? Very much so and I am responding.

Be good to each other and Summer is coming.

...and i am moving from Bioware..after 15 years. Baldur's Gate, Neverwinter's Nights, KOTOR, Jade Empire, Dragon Age, Mass Effect, SWTOR: thank you for the great memories. And Bioware, while I still love you, I just can not stand your mother-in-law EA anymore. She is an ugly lady.

[Icemix]

Lots of speculations for everyone!
But seriously, I want to see them explain the breath scene and the Normandy.

[IliaLo]

They should prepare for a second wave of angry fans, if this DLC cost more then ZERO BW/MS points. If explained well, the ending may not be crap :|. Why everyone forgot so quick, that ME2 ending is not three, but only two colorfull explosions : yellowish and greenish, but it have few extra scenes afterwards.

Modifié par IliaLo, 05 avril 2012 - 04:26 .

[heart486]

Gibb_Shepard wrote...

Persephone wrote...

heart486 wrote...

 This is pathetic. How many times do we have to say it?! We don't just want closure, we want an ending that doesn't ask us to pick a color.

So you hated ME2 as well, I take it? Never mind that ME3's endings aren't about picking a color.

ME2 had almost countless combinations within the endings. I really have no idea how you can say this.

Agreed. I loved ME2 so I honestly don't understand what they were trying to get at.

[Gibb_Shepard]

Persephone wrote...



Eh? So exploring how a character can die in a pre-rendered sequence because you don't get that I.E. Tali & Kasumi are best suited for hacking made ME2 runs unique?

Mine were made unique by my emotional investment. But ME2 was even more railroaded. I couldn't walk away from Cerberus for one.

Yes, each run trhough was unique because each could end in a variety of different ways.

And no, ME3 was far more railroaded than any ME game to date. The fact that you have to do missions in order makes it ridiculously linear.

[jwalker]

h4wkeye1 wrote...

You sunk so low BioWare. This is even worse than the crappy ending you originally made. You artist are really blind if THAT was their "artistic vision"

This has nothing to do with artistic vision. They screwed up and they know it. Screw ups happen. What you do with them is what matters. They're choosing to shelter their pride, which at this point is just arrogance.

[General dripik]

This is genius, they have found a way to keep us in one freaking thread.

Okay Since Bioware just does not get it I felt I should point these little facts out, this may also help people who think the Cut might help or something along those lines.

1. You can't fix what is broken by pretending its not broken: The relays are gone, everyone is trapped on earth, everything we did in the game was rendered pointless and the whole universe we all love so much is gone. Showing a scene where the turians and krogans are shaking hands or the geth working with the quarians or the rachni on the citidel (o wait lol thats gone to) won't help since we know its not possible, the only way to change it is to retcon the ending. If you don't do that then you have made little progress to fixing anything already.

2. Plotsholes are still there don't ignore them: Why did the God child need sovergien? Why did shepard just accept the Starbrats crap? Why didn't the couldn't Starbrat just take the reapers away himself? Why is joker running away with the crew and my Li I just had with me? Amoung litrally hundreds of others. I don't see how an epilouge (Sorry I mean 3 minute montage) will change that.

3. Nothing matters still: I'd be impressed if they including cutscenes to show how your war assets help you but I have little reason to think they will do anything more then what they say, infact after hudsons comments pre-release I have reason to belive they will do LESS then what they say they will do. And if thats the case half the reason the ending bombed so much is still there.

4. Its still a bad ending.





Ones a few minutes the other is 20 minutes there is another that is 30 minutes thats completly demoslishes it if you want to find it, they are all right. extending the cutscene does not help this.

5. Bioware does not have any artistic integirty to keep: Since when was taking a massive dump on your fans considored artistic? Since when was copying the endings of another game artistic?

[LegionofMadness]

Im going to download the DLC and then make a comment on it. I dont think, as of now, it is going to fix the issues most fans have with the ending. But we will see wont we? Hope Biowares taking a good hard look at this thread and reconsidering either their wording or what they will do regarding this DLC. Hope it works out for our sake....and yes HOLD THE LINE!!!!!

[harrier25699]

So this tells us that any futher DLC content for ME3 is going to take place BEFORE the start of the London mission?

As for sticking with the RGB, it boggles the mind that the same creative team that created the universe wanted to go out like this. This will define how NOT to do things for generations.

Modifié par harrier25699, 05 avril 2012 - 04:26 .

[NICKjnp]

I guess it is time to send more red, blue, and green cupcakes labeled A, B, and C. This time sending twice as many and underlining A, B, C.

[Shelled]

Never.

Buy.

Another.

Bioware.

Game.

Again.

Nuff said.

[Doctor_Jackstraw]

One thing I'm interested in: if they expand all the endings with epilogue, including the ending where shepard wakes up.  If the ending isnt fake in the "perfect" ending, then what is the implication of shepard living but not knowing where his crew ended up.

What would be interesting: if they treat each ending as its own canon.  If shepard wakes up and it was fake then in that ending he was indoctrinated, but in the others he isn't?  That's kind of tricky to even start talking about actually.

[Persephone]

PresidentCowboy wrote...

I SuPreMacY 32I wrote...

I really can't stand all the negative comments people are posting about this.

Honestly I was just as dissapointed about the original ending as everyone else but all I really need to be happy is just to get some sense of what the decisions i made throughout the game resulted in and I'll be happy.

For all of you making negative comments about a FREE dlc that you haven't even experienced yet it's pathetic. I can't wait to see what bioware has in store for it and I hope that it gives the ending that will be a great conclusion to a great series.

Some people won't settle for less than for Bioware to beg them for forgiveness while patching in 12 new endings for free next month apparently.

I am glad that they are not doing this. Besides, if these cutscenes epilogues change/only fire on certain conditions being met/decisions being made, there you have your ending variations.