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[Ibn_Shisha]

D3 and tgotGoT, here we come!

[The Valiant Knight]

Vergil_dgk wrote...

The Valiant Knight wrote...

Seriously what a bunch of whiny, self entitled cretins you all are.

Bioware have given you SOMETHING, this is unprecedented. The ending of the game, love it, hate it, think it's broken WHATEVER! It's what they chose, this is THEIR STORY not yours, we had choices, we made some influence on it, but ultimately the story was always theirs to tell.

You didn't like it? fine, they're attempting to help as best they can, but you can't expect them to completely change it just to make everyone happy. That's pure madness people. They've stood up and taken notice, be proud of that.

Just because you don't like something doesn't make it NOT ART, in fact art is often is defined as something which creates a divisive emotional response, something this ending has clearly done. I don't like Picasso's Cubism period, I think it looks like crap and is a waste of his previously shown talents. That doesn't mean I'd go and tell him to stop expressing things the way he thinks best, I don't have to like it. I can choose to ignore the damn thing.

If this is truly the 'fanbase' Bioware has, then good riddance with to you, I'll keep buying Bioware games and enjoying them.

I'm not disappointed in Bioware, I'm disappointed in it's fans.

Good sir, I think your post is rather impolite. I, for one, would like to see more extensive changes to the ending of the game - not because I don't like Mass Effect or Bioware, but because I think the last 15 minutes of number 3 is a black mark on an otherwise impressive trilogy. It is my hope that the development team will also see this and do something to improve upon their work. They wouldn't be the first in history: Tolstoy, for example, made extensive changes to War and Peace over the years as a result of criticism and due to his own, evolving tastes. If a genius like him can do that with a genuine masterpiece in the history of litterature, Bioware can certainly do as much with a video game. All the best.

The post was rude and wasn't directed at the entire fanbase I do apologise for it I am quite emotional at the moment. I don't believe Bioware deserve the hate being thrown at them.

It just seems like everyone here is being very ungrateful and unreasonable in responce to the news. 

Again, I do apologise.

[jackb994]

GOOD on ya Bioware.

I cant believe people on here actually thought they were going to bow to the fans 'sense' of entitlement and change the ending. They never said they were going to change it and today justly proves this.

Excited to see what's in this free dlc.

Modifié par jackb994, 05 avril 2012 - 05:08 .

[Exeider]

Ah god, here you have a second chance Bioware, there are countless posts, countless different ways to explain why the end is so bad, and yet..... you stand by it. Why? How?

I guess it doesn't matter anymore. This is a dark day indeed.

-Æ

[Captiosus77]

Wow, when I first heard the news through GameFront, I was cautiously optimistic. Now I've read the FAQ and it's painfully apparent they're just putting a new coat of paint on a pile of horse manure and trying to call it "clarified".

The fact is, I always knew the starchild was never going to be retconned like some folks had been asking for. It's just too much of a technical stretch. What I was hoping for was an expansion beyond the three choices. Whether that was indoctrination theory or something else, I didn't care, so long as the expansion took choice into consideration and provided multiple 'endings' based on choices.

To me, the fact that our choices were utterly discarded, and the fact that we were completely and utterly lied to about the role our choices would play, only to recieve a disjointed ending is the bigger affront than the plot holes, or the starchild, or the neutering of the Reapers.

I don't need clarification. That word is just a new way of saying "players just didn't get it". Most of us are adults capable of rational thought. We got it just fine. What we didn't get was why all of the choices across hundreds of hours of gameplay were distilled down into three seemingly random choices all leading to a series of endings that were 80-90% identical. The entire ending stinks of running out of time and losing the will to follow through on what made the series great in the first place.

Want a victorious hero Shepard? Too bad.
Want a tragic hero Shepard? Too bad.
Want a victorious anti-hero Shepard? Too bad.
Want a completely failed Shepard? Too bad.

You get Control, Synthesis, and Destroy.
You get red, green, or blue hued explosions.
That's it. Doesn't matter what you did in any of the content prior. Doesn't matter what the canon authors wrote in the books prior. All you get is a forced ending. Bespoken to. Choice destroyed, along with the entire fictional universe. For what? "LOTS OF SPECULATION?" And we're supposed to be happy with that because they wrap it up in the bogus (and disproven) "artistic integrity" excuse.

This FAQ proves, beyond any shadow of a doubt that:

1. They really weren't listening at all, because even if you remove all the people calling for the removal of Starchild, the single biggest overwhelming complaint was that choice was ripped away from the player at the last minute and we were given an ending based on authorial fiat - contrary to the entire premise of the series. Yet they're not touching the lack of choice at all.
AND
2. Between DA2, TOR, and now ME3, EA has stunk up yet another very good developer with their corporate crap.

Thanks for a lot of nothing, EA/BioWare.
Thanks for not listening.
Thanks for the months of lies that started before release and continued post-release.
I'm officially done with this studio, I will only be able to look back fondly on the BioWare that was prior to the EA partnership. The BioWare that gave us good titles like Mass Effect 1, KoTOR, and Jade Empire.

[arc_gabriel_]

Razhael wrote...

They are still missing the point. We dont want the ending to be deleted, just give us real alternatives according to our playing since me1

 agreed

[cutegigi]

jackb994 wrote...

GOOD on ya Bioware.

I cant believe people on here actually thought they were going to bow to the fans 'sense' of entitlement and change the ending. They never said they were going to change it and today justly proves this.

Excited to see what's in this free dlc.

2/10?

[LilyasAvalon]

Everything was all fine and dandy until this came out.

[Vergil_dgk]

The Valiant Knight wrote...

Vergil_dgk wrote...

The Valiant Knight wrote...

Seriously what a bunch of whiny, self entitled cretins you all are.

Bioware have given you SOMETHING, this is unprecedented. The ending of the game, love it, hate it, think it's broken WHATEVER! It's what they chose, this is THEIR STORY not yours, we had choices, we made some influence on it, but ultimately the story was always theirs to tell.

You didn't like it? fine, they're attempting to help as best they can, but you can't expect them to completely change it just to make everyone happy. That's pure madness people. They've stood up and taken notice, be proud of that.

Just because you don't like something doesn't make it NOT ART, in fact art is often is defined as something which creates a divisive emotional response, something this ending has clearly done. I don't like Picasso's Cubism period, I think it looks like crap and is a waste of his previously shown talents. That doesn't mean I'd go and tell him to stop expressing things the way he thinks best, I don't have to like it. I can choose to ignore the damn thing.

If this is truly the 'fanbase' Bioware has, then good riddance with to you, I'll keep buying Bioware games and enjoying them.

I'm not disappointed in Bioware, I'm disappointed in it's fans.

Good sir, I think your post is rather impolite. I, for one, would like to see more extensive changes to the ending of the game - not because I don't like Mass Effect or Bioware, but because I think the last 15 minutes of number 3 is a black mark on an otherwise impressive trilogy. It is my hope that the development team will also see this and do something to improve upon their work. They wouldn't be the first in history: Tolstoy, for example, made extensive changes to War and Peace over the years as a result of criticism and due to his own, evolving tastes. If a genius like him can do that with a genuine masterpiece in the history of litterature, Bioware can certainly do as much with a video game. All the best.

The post was rude and wasn't directed at the entire fanbase I do apologise for it I am quite emotional at the moment. I don't believe Bioware deserve the hate being thrown at them.

It just seems like everyone here is being very ungrateful and unreasonable in responce to the news. 

Again, I do apologise.

No sweat, both sides tend to get emotional and I do agree that some people here are bordering on paranoia concerning EA/Bioware. These are the guys that created this thing we all love so much that the ending hit us like a bucket of cold water. While the ending does detract massively from the total experience, it doesn't change the fact that large parts of the trilogy was unprecedently exciting.

[The Valiant Knight]

AnsinJung wrote...

The Valiant Knight wrote...

apieros wrote...

The Valiant Knight wrote...

apieros wrote...

The Valiant Knight wrote...

Bioware have given you SOMETHING, this is unprecedented.

Witcher. Witcher 2. etc.

Think before writing.

I'm sorry, when did either of those examples release DLC purely based on fan reaction/disapointment.

I'll admit I'm not familiar with those games but I don't recall anything like this happening before, hence it's unprecedented. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

You're wrong.

Please, Elaborate so I might learn from my mistake.

Well, I've heard that Fallout 3 did ending DLC, as referenced many  many times on these boards.  And he already gave you the Witcher examples.

From what I understand, the Witcher seems to be a different example. Fallout 3 was also slightly different, being never advertised as an 'ending' it was more about players expected to be able to continue playing.

I think we are in a very unique situation here, there are similarities but ultimately I'd say  we haven't seen this particular situation before in Video Games.

[Big I]

Here's hoping the clarification for the Control ending is along the lines of "and then Shepard, the new Catalyst (aka Reaper King) ordered the Reapers to rebuild the relays."

[apieros]

The Valiant Knight wrote...

Again, I do apologise.

And I'll apologise and retract my condescending comments towards you.

(If it still matters, links about the Witcher 2's free fan-response DLC are in the thread. And free DLC was, at one time, fairly common in PC gaming.)

[saracen16]

I can't believe how ungrateful some of you are. BioWare is providing this content gratis, and wouldn't have done so if it wasn't for the "retake" movement. At least a "wait and see" attitude would be preferable to destructive criticism.

[Shepard Wins]

Extended cut? THAT'S NOT GOOD ENOUGH!

[Denethar]

Artistic....you know what, shove that artistic **** where the sun doesn't shine. I doubt that being artisitic will give you new jobs when EA decides the Company is too much trouble to have around.

The amount of pride someone can have is shocking.

[Shallyah]

I am satisfied with an epilogue. I don't know about others, but that's why I wanted. Explain everything so it makes sense. If after playing that "Extended Cut" DLC I'm not satisfied, I will voice my concern. For now I can wait.

[apieros]

saracen16 wrote...

I can't believe how ungrateful some of you are.

So pro-enders still hate the Retake movement and every member thereof? Quelle surprise.

Modifié par apieros, 05 avril 2012 - 05:14 .

[Fireclown2020]

You made a VIDEO GAME, which is ENTERTAINMENT, it's NOT ART! There is ART in the GAME but the OVER ALL product is DIGITAL ENTERTAINMENT!

Once again, they spill a bunch of BULL! I shall NOT be BUYING the DLC or ANYTHING more from THEM!

Cheers BioWare for making me WASTE my cash!

Ok Bored now

KTHXBAI!

But all is good!

[Warbuckaz]

Time to dust off the original ending and duct tape it to the end. lol

Modifié par Warbuckaz, 05 avril 2012 - 05:16 .

[Kath]

I must admit, the fact that it is free does make me a little happy, but then I remember what the free content is expanding upon, and I just get sad again. Really Bioware? Using the word "artistic" to defend your ending, AGAIN? For shame. I will download the DLC, but I really have my doubts that it will "clarify" things in such a way that makes me like the ending.

Modifié par Katherine, 05 avril 2012 - 05:17 .

[Militarized]

The Valiant Knight wrote...

apieros wrote...

The Valiant Knight wrote...

Bioware have given you SOMETHING, this is unprecedented.

Witcher. Witcher 2. etc.

Think before writing.

I'm sorry, when did either of those examples release DLC purely based on fan reaction/disapointment.

I'll admit I'm not familiar with those games but I don't recall anything like this happening before, hence it's unprecedented. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

Witcher 2 is releasing an entire expansion for FREE based on fan reviews. New endings, more gameplay, lots of stuff. 

Fallout did it as well, but you to pay for theirs.

Bioware has gone down hill, face it. 

[ntemny]

rEApers win

[hwf]

Tried to stay optimistic but the mini-FAQ basically killed that.
The Angry One was correct in her pessimistic cynicism afterall.

I was going to vent here but I'll keep it simple.
Once the Extended Cut is out I'll evaluate it and if it is indeed the polished turd Bioware claims it is -- then I'll write the diatribe.

[Militarized]

So I guess we wait a couple years until we can pull a KOTOR 2?

[The Divine Avenger]

apieros wrote...

Bioware wrote...

Are there going to be more/different endings or ending DLCs in the future?

No. BioWare strongly believes in the team’s artistic vision for the end of this arc of the Mass Effect franchise.

Then you're blind to your own mistakes. The ending was a failure on every possible level it could possibly be a failure.

That you cannot see this means you've lost the talent you once displayed. (Cue Sickboy: "You have it, then you lose it, and you never get it back.")

The Bioware I knew is gone. I was happy to give them my money.

This new Bioware? They do not deserve my patronage.

Well said

Oh well at least I an still look forward to Dragon Commander