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[Kulthar Drax]

Yay. I love how they were listening all along.

[Captiosus77]

Predator_828 wrote...

People were expecting a 'happily ever after' ending, however bioware decided to create something different.

You really don't understand. It's clear you haven't paid attention.
PEOPLE WANTED CHOICE. You know, the whole thing that sold the Mass Effect franchise. The fact that our choices mattered. The fact that our choices carried over from game to game, and we'd see the result of the choices made. Yes, said choices would include a "happily ever after" ending for those who worked to get it but they'd also include tragic endings, or even outright failed endings where the "cycle" continues.

I am glad that bioware actually made a different ending and not some generic style ending that we see in almost every video game and movie on the market.

You're joking, right? Because the ending they gave us isn't different. It isn't even original. It's the same, tired, self-sacrifice with plotholes that authors, screenwriters, and even some games have used for years. Let me say this again, for clarity: They obliterated the main selling point of the franchise, player choice, and replaced it with a hackneyed ending that was presented, regardless of whether you played all three games or only blew through the third one.

If anything, the ending the gave us was the least "different". It's Deus Ex. Final Fantasy VII. Matrix Revolutions. Quantum Leap. Lost. On and on it goes. It was a cheap, quick, way to push out the product and then try to defend months of lies regarding the number of endings by stating "artistic vision". Their "artistic vision" was just a tired trope.

This news of the 'Extended Cut' has cemented my faith in Bioware, not many studios would take such interest in satisfying the community.

Again, you don't get it. They're not satisfying the community. This FAQ is a glorified way of saying "we're clarifying the ending because you just didn't get it". The same condescending crap that's been spewed since day one. A validation that the whole "we're listening to the community" was as much of a lie as the pre-release comments that the game would have "wildly different endings" because they haven't listened to a single thing we've said. They are sticking to their original endings, not providing any further choice, just handing out an epilogue that cannot possibly explain every plot hole in the hastily written ending.

People need to have a little faith.

As I have often said before:
My faith was shaken with DA2.
My faith was cracked with TOR.
My faith is destroyed with ME3.

Faith only goes so far. I have never, and will never be, a blind faith fan of any company and the latest efforts by BioWare have proven they are a shell of a company they once were, not the company they were before EA got their hands on them.

Modifié par Captiosus77, 05 avril 2012 - 05:40 .

[Xerxes52]

I'll wait until it comes out before I make a judgment.

Good thing it was free though, the BSN would have gone supernova if they charged consumers for "clarification".

[Misterdde45000]

Well... IF this FAQ said the truth and bw just stick with it's diabolus ex machina coupled with the rainbowed beam... I'll be definitly not buying any DLC, games, goodies from them anymore. I'm a role-player. I've loved BW because they used to be the best RPG maker of the industrie. . But denying us TWICE of a ending that would fit with our shepards oO ? Feels like BW decided to go action over Role Play to me. I'm paying for roleplay, not for " artistic " view ( witch is nothing but a rethorical argument and come really close to pure sophism/sophistry/fallacy, pick your favorit one )

So, IF (and i stick to the IF ) its only add closure unpon a broken thing, i'll just say thanks for previous game and bye.

[wright1978]

Baronesa wrote...

Well... that FAQ said it all...

the DLC is basically a big F You

There is no way the current endings work... anything having you agreeing with space Hitler's logic is just massive fail

Yep exactly my opinion. A big middle finger salute to fans. Makes their statements about how they listen to feedback seem comical.

[Fireclown2020]

Creston918 wrote...

bigbade wrote...
 this FAQ says nothing about added gameplay or content, just scenes, which really begs the question as to why it's going to take until summer.
 

Because it takes quite awhile to do CGI. It's just not a matter of an artist drawing a few lines and voila. If they add three minutes of CGI, the render time alone for that is massive, not mention it would take artists WEEKS to draw it all.

Also, and I don't know if this is true, but IF they do an epilogue kind of thing where they explain what happened to everyone and every race etc based on your choices, that is a mega amount of scripting and writing they have to do. There are thousands of variables. Even though you can combine things, you're still talking about hundreds of different possibilities, and they all need to be written.

Before anyone starts complaining "THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE THAT IN THE FIRST PLACE!" yes, I agree. But hopefully they are at least doing it now.

I'll wait and see what happens. If nothing else, I'll write my own endings. This wonderful person here is already doing a marvelous job :
http://shannon.users...net/masseffect/

I hate to say it but I think you maybe wrong about them writing all the variables for the differences in the endings.

They are making new cut scenes to 'Clarify' their original ending.

[noobcannon]

Creston918 wrote...

bigbade wrote...
 this FAQ says nothing about added gameplay or content, just scenes, which really begs the question as to why it's going to take until summer.
 

Because it takes quite awhile to do CGI. It's just not a matter of an artist drawing a few lines and voila. If they add three minutes of CGI, the render time alone for that is massive, not mention it would take artists WEEKS to draw it all.

Also, and I don't know if this is true, but IF they do an epilogue kind of thing where they explain what happened to everyone and every race etc based on your choices, that is a mega amount of scripting and writing they have to do. There are thousands of variables. Even though you can combine things, you're still talking about hundreds of different possibilities, and they all need to be written.

Before anyone starts complaining "THEY SHOULD HAVE DONE THAT IN THE FIRST PLACE!" yes, I agree. But hopefully they are at least doing it now.

I'll wait and see what happens. If nothing else, I'll write my own endings. This wonderful person here is already doing a marvelous job :
http://shannon.users...net/masseffect/

have they said anything about doing pre rendered cgi for the dlc? almost any pre rendered cgi done by bioware has always been with the ingame engine. the only 2 exceptions i can think of were the me2 sanctuary trailer and the me3 take earth back trailer, but those were both trailers, and not part of the actual game.

[Vilegrim]

Bl0dbathNBeyond wrote...

jds1bio wrote...

So it's not playable?  And after two years, people will have to buy it?  Don't they realize that after all that time, they can just go to youtube to see the epilogue scenes?

I dunno, you might be better off just going here.

That thing is pretty neat, actually. I'm not above stooping to fan creations to get my fix. Consider the 50+ mods it always took to make Oblivion a finished, non-broken game. 

Wait - that kind of puts this in perspective.

except Oblivion had a far better story and internal sense,

[Mcfly616]

The Valiant Knight wrote...

Seriously what a bunch of whiny, self entitled cretins you all are.

Bioware have given you SOMETHING, this is unprecedented. The ending of the game, love it, hate it, think it's broken WHATEVER! It's what they chose, this is THEIR STORY not yours, we had choices, we made some influence on it, but ultimately the story was always theirs to tell.

You didn't like it? fine, they're attempting to help as best they can, but you can't expect them to completely change it just to make everyone happy. That's pure madness people. They've stood up and taken notice, be proud of that.

Just because you don't like something doesn't make it NOT ART, in fact art is often is defined as something which creates a divisive emotional response, something this ending has clearly done. I don't like Picasso's Cubism period, I think it looks like crap and is a waste of his previously shown talents. That doesn't mean I'd go and tell him to stop expressing things the way he thinks best, I don't have to like it. I can choose to ignore the damn thing.

If this is truly the 'fanbase' Bioware has, then good riddance with to you, I'll keep buying Bioware games and enjoying them.

I'm not disappointed in Bioware, I'm disappointed in it's fans.

"Unprecedented"? Yeah you're right....they gave us sh*t bomb of an ending.to an otherwise Brilliant trilogy....hell, the retconned ending of Return of the Jedi is better than this lol I'd rather ewoks dancing around than that crap we got...

I don't need a stupid, juvenile, lazily written, unimaginative ending "clarified" for me....it is what it is....

My squadmates abandoned me, Joker turned into a coward, Shepard turns into gullible panzy that takes the A,B,C options given to him from some pathetic, laughable Space Child....oh and we become the single biggest War Criminal the galaxy has ever know....Bravo Bioware....thanks for those "many varying endings based on our decisions throughout the trilogy"....LIES


Oh and our choices have NO influence on the end....so you're wrong again....I find it funny that you call yourself a fan of the entire trilogy, yet find this conclusion exceptable...


After the ME2's Suicide Mission showed so much potential, and after Casey Hudson himself said that the ME3 ending would be like the Suicide Mission on an even grander scale....so much for that.....major disappointment....LIES

[The Divine Avenger]

ntemny wrote...

rEApers win

Not really because after this there re going to be a lot of cautious people out there that will be reluctant to preorder or even buy there games after this.

[Vhalkyrie]

The Valiant Knight wrote...

apieros wrote...

The Valiant Knight wrote...

Bioware have given you SOMETHING, this is unprecedented.

Witcher. Witcher 2. etc.

Think before writing.

I'm sorry, when did either of those examples release DLC purely based on fan reaction/disapointment.

I'll admit I'm not familiar with those games but I don't recall anything like this happening before, hence it's unprecedented. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

The Witcher rewrote the user interface and revised 3D models/animation due to fan complaints.   They released it as a free upgrade.

[hue04]

Laurencio wrote...

hue04 wrote...

Laurencio wrote...

hue04 wrote...

Add ending hurts their artistic integrity? lol
Even if you have that, customer don't bother with your artistic things. Make some extra ending didn't bother anyone. Just make one.

You'd rather they came out and said:

"You know what. It's just not worth it. We disagree with the fans that the ending is poorly written, and we are proud of our work. In addition, it would cost too much, it would take too long, most people would generally be fed up before we could realistically release the new content, and it would force us to relocate resources from new exciting projects that we have a great deal of faith in for something that simply isn't financially viable."

I know your point but i don't think extra ending needs much cost. Actually i happy with some ending scene tweak and cutscenes that indicates universe is preserved. 

It would. They would have to pay for the work, the testing, the voice acting, the cinematics, and all that money and time would have to be taken from other projects. It could potentially ruin whatever other projects they have going on.

Also, assuming that the universe isn't preserved already is jumping the gun a
little. For all we know the dlc will show the that the universe isn't
ruined. Far too early to tell. I for one find the mere assumption that my team of highly
trained soldiers and researchers would be unable to survive on a clearly
habitable planet to be presumptuous and unrealistic.

About cost it appears not our call cause  BW already invest resources for extended cut dlc, it costs more than tweak yes? And i prefer universe with mass relay than survivor.

[cronosfire]

i think i am going to have to wait and see this dlc before i go and give my opinion. Everyone seems to be saying its a fail and we "lost" or "failed" again. It might be exactly what people are looking for, but we wont know till it comes out. That said i hope it gives me closure and helps me understand where they are coming from. It was and is a great game. I do feel the only reason the ending was so bad was because of the leaked scripted, meaning that if the fans would have left it alone and not read or done anything with it they might have left the endings alone and not rushed these new ones.

[LeBerridge]

Modifié par LeBerridge, 09 avril 2012 - 09:52 .

[Sith Reaper]

I really cannot complain about this. It is free. They are taking the time to make an entirely new sequence for the ending (which we know very little about besides that it adds cinematics and epilogues) and releasing it at no cost.

Seeing this thread makes me sad. "We lost?" They are releasing a free ending that gives an epilogue and additional context to what happens in the final sequence - exactly what was missing from the ending - and people are upset because it isn't the indoctrination theory or their specific vision for the ending? They are adding to the ending soley because we asked for it. Not everyone is going to be happy, as always, but the real complaints of the ending are being dealt with. The rest of the complaints are unattainable. 

Modifié par Sith Reaper, 05 avril 2012 - 05:44 .

[cronosfire]

Sith Reaper wrote...

I really cannot complain about this. It is free. They are taking the time to make an entirely new sequence for the ending (which we know very little about besides that it adds cinematics and epilogues) and releasing it at no cost.

Seeing this thread makes me sad. "We lost?" They are releasing a free ending that gives an epilogue and additional context to what happens in the final sequence - exactly what was missing from the ending - and people are upset because it isn't the indoctrination theory or their specific vision for the ending? They are adding to the ending soley because we asked for it. Not everyone is going to be happy, as always, but the real complaints of the ending are being dealt with. The rest of the complaints are unattainable. 

exactly its free and they do not have to please anyone yet they are trying good for them. Im still as loyal as i have ever been.

[Gemini1179]

Clever preemptive PAX strike. With that done, they can talk about PAID DLC at PAX. Thank you BioWare for doing something, but unless the extended stuff will personalize each playthrough, there will still be no need for me to purchase DLC.

Thanks for the memories though.

[Fireclown2020]

Sith Reaper wrote...

I really cannot complain about this. It is free. They are taking the time to make an entirely new sequence for the ending (which we know very little about besides that it adds cinematics and epilogues) and releasing it at no cost.

Seeing this thread makes me sad. "We lost?" They are releasing a free ending that gives an epilogue and additional context to what happens in the final sequence - exactly what was missing from the ending - and people are upset because it isn't the indoctrination theory or their specific vision for the ending? They are adding to the ending soley because we asked for it. Not everyone is going to be happy, as always, but the real complaints of the ending are being dealt with. The rest of the complaints are unattainable. 

Thats not an epilogue, thats extended sequences to 'Clarify' THEIR ending.

For fans who want
more closure in Mass Effect 3, the DLC will offer extended scenes that
provide additional context and deeper insight to the conclusion of
Commander Shepard’s journey.
[/list]What is BioWare adding to the ending with the Extended Cut DLC?

BioWare
will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional
cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences. The
goal of these new scenes is to provide additional clarity and closure to
Mass Effect 3.[/list]

[NYG1991]

They got their work cut out for them trying to clarify the Normandy scene. Unless they just cut it right out.

[ntemny]

The Divine Avenger wrote...

ntemny wrote...

rEApers win

Not really because after this there re going to be a lot of cautious people out there that will be reluctant to preorder or even buy there games after this.

it was a bit sarcastic %) BW(EA) gаve us another ending in RL  - just destroying whole ME univerce, as like the reapers .

[retailavenger85]

I am really irritated about this, but I hope they use their time until summer to really tailor the cut scenes to specific choices. 

I mean, my fully Paragon Fem!Shep who romanced and stayed loyal to Kaidan, cured the genophange, made peace between the Geth and Quarians, and chose Destroy (and woke up in the rubble) better get a different ending then my dude's playthrough. His renegade Dude!Shep romanced EVERYONE, faked the genophage cure, killed the Geth and chose synthesis.

If I get even one cutscene that is the same as his, I'm going to be pissed. Our games were completely different, I don't want the same ending as him!

So Bioware, if this is all we are getting (and again, that is severely disappointing to me) you better make it good.

Modifié par retailavenger85, 05 avril 2012 - 05:52 .

[miekojn]

Somewhere, I am hoping this is just a false advertising troll again from Bioware, but now the other way around: promise crap, but actually bring the most fantastic ending ever.

Not that that's going to happen though.....

[pb1988]

My 2c here. Interesting timing, no? Considering PAX is tomorrow (4/6), it seems EA/BW is trying to satiate fans and stem the tide of questioning @ their panels; i.e. "we gave you an answer, now shut up about it and let us promote our newer, shinier stuff!". All I can say is, I most likely will dl the DLC but after that, never, EVER buy anything from BW ever again, sadly.

[Occulo]

The post strikes me as really defensive.

[Tritium315]

Guess it's time to hold the line the some more.