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[warrior256]

I'm going to wait and see just what this DLC actually gives us. If it is what they are making it sound like it is, then goodbye Bioware. It's been a fun ride. Too bad you made it end like it did.

[Sith Reaper]

Fireclown2020 wrote...

Sith Reaper wrote...

I really cannot complain about this. It is free. They are taking the time to make an entirely new sequence for the ending (which we know very little about besides that it adds cinematics and epilogues) and releasing it at no cost.

Seeing this thread makes me sad. "We lost?" They are releasing a free ending that gives an epilogue and additional context to what happens in the final sequence - exactly what was missing from the ending - and people are upset because it isn't the indoctrination theory or their specific vision for the ending? They are adding to the ending soley because we asked for it. Not everyone is going to be happy, as always, but the real complaints of the ending are being dealt with. The rest of the complaints are unattainable. 

Thats not an epilogue, thats extended sequences to 'Clarify' THEIR ending.

For fans who want
more closure in Mass Effect 3, the DLC will offer extended scenes that
provide additional context and deeper insight to the conclusion of
Commander Shepard’s journey.
[/list]What is BioWare adding to the ending with the Extended Cut DLC?

BioWare
will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional
cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences. The
goal of these new scenes is to provide additional clarity and closure to
Mass Effect 3.[/list]

Umm, what else is an epilogue, exactly? It gives context to what happens after the ending. And, as the blog explains, it adds cinematics to clarify the ending and epilogue scenes to the existing endings.

[MrnDpty161]

Welp thats it for me and this franchise, as for this CE copy, I'm putting it to good use and using it as target practice at the range, hopefully there will be a better company that presents better options.

No need for long speeches, I've seen non-paid fan-fic that blows this away.

[StartOrange]

ZombieJohn84 wrote...

SirEuain wrote...

I have to admit, I'm confused by the artistic integrity angle. How is it preserving artistic integrity to have organics vs. synthetics as only a minor story element until the closing few minutes, and to insist on the dichotomy without comment even if Shepard's brought EDI along and has brokered a peace between geth and quarian?

Exactly.

The artistic integrity argument only holds water if there was actually some artistic integrity to begin with.  An ending that breaks common and basic creative writing laws, doesn't even include any dialogue and then slaps a "buy DLC" ad onto the end of it doesn't have too much integrity to begin with.

^This.

How BIoware has handled the whole thing is tragicomical. This is the last time I deal with Bioware and EA, I can promise that. If you're honestly so blind to your own mistakes then you are not even worth arguing with. You promised us something different and it was all bull****, all for the sake of your "artistic" side.

I hope this studio gets closed down by EA. Might seem cold, but I have no sympathy for liars and cheaters who are too proud to admit when they're wrong. Bioware is dead to me now and I couldn't care less about them.

Modifié par StartOrange, 05 avril 2012 - 05:56 .

[Fulgrim88]

lucidfox wrote...

They're "listening", but their customers' words fall on deaf ears.

This. Sad day, really.

Half a thousand frikkin pages of feedback for nothing

[DashRunner92]

MystaisPC wrote...

 Guess I'll just get my closure here: shannon.users.sonic.net/masseffect/  

At least the above offers decent closure that I can deal with.  I don't have much faith in Bioware putting out a better epilogue than the above.

Thank you, I never saw that site before.

[Sith Reaper]

retailavenger85 wrote...

I am really irritated about this, but I hope they use their time until summer to really tailor the cut scenes to specific choices. 

I mean, my fully Paragon Fem!Shep who romanced and stayed loyal to Kaidan, cured the genophange, made peace between the Geth and Quarians, and chose Destroy (and woke up in the rubble) better get a different ending then my dude's playthrough. His renegade Dude!Shep romanced EVERYONE, faked the genophage cure, killed the Geth and chose synthesis.

If I get even one cutscene that is the same as his, I'm going to be pissed. Our games were completely different, I don't want the same ending as him!

So Bioware, if this is all we are getting (and again, that is severely disappointing to me) you better make it good.

I do hope they differentiate the ending cinematics. I would love to see this.

[TransientNomad]

Bioware I've been a fan ever since Baldur's Gate.  I've picked up every game you put out, every dlc, every Iphone game, every expansion.  I've encouraged all my friends to pick up your games, or at the very least give them a chance.  I've defended you from critics, and even getting involved in flame wars to defend your good name.  However, with this, you have lost a fan, a friend, and a consumer.  Your complete disregard for the wishes of you base and your complete and utter lack of respect you have for all your consumers you showed by blatantly lying about your product has proven that you are no longer the Bioware I grew up with.  In fact, it has proven only that you are now just another faceless company that lacks even the slightest bit of integrity. 

"Integrity."  I see you like that word.  To save you the time to look it up, but it is defined as "the quality of being honest, and having strong moral principles."  What have you done to prove it after promising things like "no space magic," "No A, B, or C ending choice," and my favorite "sixteen unique endings?"  You speak of holding true to integrity Bioware, and the first step is honesty.  Something you have not done since the beginning of this debacle, instead lashing out at those who question your "vision."

But I digress.  I hope this DLC does more than what you have stated.  I really do, and if so I will come back and apologize.  You have, afterall, blatantly lied about your products before.  However, your attitude, you lack of defense when others called your fans "entitled ****s," and general disregard for fans during this entirely avoidable tragedy has shown me you no longer are Bioware. 

So, I, Adam Lee of Chicago, Illinois, fan since November of 1998, and ardent defender/supporter of the "original Bioware", state that I will no longer buy anymore of your products nor recommend you to anyone else.  I hope you continue to prosper, and deliver great gaming to your remaining fans.  But I wanted you to know, regardless to how insignificant I am to your bottom line or pool of consumers, that you lost me.

[Fireclown2020]

Sith Reaper wrote...

Fireclown2020 wrote...

Sith Reaper wrote...

I really cannot complain about this. It is free. They are taking the time to make an entirely new sequence for the ending (which we know very little about besides that it adds cinematics and epilogues) and releasing it at no cost.

Seeing this thread makes me sad. "We lost?" They are releasing a free ending that gives an epilogue and additional context to what happens in the final sequence - exactly what was missing from the ending - and people are upset because it isn't the indoctrination theory or their specific vision for the ending? They are adding to the ending soley because we asked for it. Not everyone is going to be happy, as always, but the real complaints of the ending are being dealt with. The rest of the complaints are unattainable. 

Thats not an epilogue, thats extended sequences to 'Clarify' THEIR ending.

For fans who want
more closure in Mass Effect 3, the DLC will offer extended scenes that
provide additional context and deeper insight to the conclusion of
Commander Shepard’s journey.
[/list]What is BioWare adding to the ending with the Extended Cut DLC?

BioWare
will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional
cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences. The
goal of these new scenes is to provide additional clarity and closure to
Mass Effect 3.[/list]

Umm, what else is an epilogue, exactly? It gives context to what happens after the ending. And, as the blog explains, it adds cinematics to clarify the ending and epilogue scenes to the existing endings.

Oh Boy!

I am sure your not realising what I am meaning.

The Epilogue that people are wanting is not for BioWare to 'Clarify' THEIR ending.  People are wanting BioWare to make an ending Tailored to THEIR game(people who played the game), make THEIR choices matter rather than have BioWare make more sequences that 'Clarify' their own ending.

Modifié par Fireclown2020, 05 avril 2012 - 06:01 .

[Reorte]

DashRunner92 wrote...

MystaisPC wrote...

 Guess I'll just get my closure here: shannon.users.sonic.net/masseffect/  

At least the above offers decent closure that I can deal with.  I don't have much faith in Bioware putting out a better epilogue than the above.

Thank you, I never saw that site before.

Yep, that would satisfy me and I suppose that it still fits in with "clarification". So it isn't necessarily doom and gloom although quite honestly I don't expect to get anything anywhere near as satisfying. I'd love to be proven wrong.

[Sith Reaper]

Fireclown2020 wrote...

Sith Reaper wrote...

Fireclown2020 wrote...

Sith Reaper wrote...

I really cannot complain about this. It is free. They are taking the time to make an entirely new sequence for the ending (which we know very little about besides that it adds cinematics and epilogues) and releasing it at no cost.

Seeing this thread makes me sad. "We lost?" They are releasing a free ending that gives an epilogue and additional context to what happens in the final sequence - exactly what was missing from the ending - and people are upset because it isn't the indoctrination theory or their specific vision for the ending? They are adding to the ending soley because we asked for it. Not everyone is going to be happy, as always, but the real complaints of the ending are being dealt with. The rest of the complaints are unattainable. 

Thats not an epilogue, thats extended sequences to 'Clarify' THEIR ending.

For fans who want
more closure in Mass Effect 3, the DLC will offer extended scenes that
provide additional context and deeper insight to the conclusion of
Commander Shepard’s journey.
[/list]What is BioWare adding to the ending with the Extended Cut DLC?

BioWare
will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional
cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences. The
goal of these new scenes is to provide additional clarity and closure to
Mass Effect 3.[/list]

Umm, what else is an epilogue, exactly? It gives context to what happens after the ending. And, as the blog explains, it adds cinematics to clarify the ending and epilogue scenes to the existing endings.

Oh Boy!

I am sure your not realising what I am meaning.

The Epilogue that people are wanting is not for BioWare to 'Clarify' THEIR ending.  People are wanting BioWare to make an ending Tailored to THEIR game(people who played the game), make THEIR choices matter rather than have BioWare make more sequences that 'Clarify' their own ending.

I see. However, we know too little right now to say that it won't differentiate each person's individual ending. I agree, I would love to see my choices have an impact in the final sequences.

[hyperforce99]

extended cut, well...

Well I probably won't be buying any mass effect 3 DLC anymore.
Only if the "extended cut" truely solves the problems i'm worried about.

Thank you Bio-ware for creating my most favorite game series to date.
The games were great, but as the ending stands right now I don't want to relive that again.

Modifié par hyperforce99, 15 avril 2012 - 01:59 .

[The Divine Avenger]

Sith Reaper wrote...

I really cannot complain about this. It is free. They are taking the time to make an entirely new sequence for the ending (which we know very little about besides that it adds cinematics and epilogues) and releasing it at no cost.

Seeing this thread makes me sad. "We lost?" They are releasing a free ending that gives an epilogue and additional context to what happens in the final sequence - exactly what was missing from the ending - and people are upset because it isn't the indoctrination theory or their specific vision for the ending? They are adding to the ending soley because we asked for it. Not everyone is going to be happy, as always, but the real complaints of the ending are being dealt with. The rest of the complaints are unattainable. 

The real omplaints of the ending are NOT being delt with here is 1 prime example GOD CHILD, he kills the game he cheapens the reapers.

ME1 Quote

"You touch my mind fumbling in ignerance incapable of understanding"

No I understand just fine, your a synthetic ba**ard that was created by some random GOD CHILD AI to wipe out all galactic life so galactic life doesn't build synthetics that will wipe them out.

Vigil told you himself that by the time that the reapers returned to Dark Space the only prothians that were left were the top scientists. They used the conduit to go to the citadel & then they reprogramed the keepers to stop them from obaying the reapers.

If GOD CHILD was always on the citadel them why did'nt he signal Soverin when the Prothian scientist's started there attempts at rewriting the keepers.

So the awnser is NO they have not listened to a damb thing we've said the end will remain broken unless GOD CHILD is addressed.

[Sir Cedric 4]

This FAQ doesn't surprise me unfortunately.

There is a certain type of individual (its a human personality trait) who will defend their idea till the death regardless of how bad it is, how much logic is used to show how bad an idea it is, regardless of how many people disagree with that idea. I used to work for someone like this, and we would engineer and build things based on these ideas, and even when it literally blew up, they would never acknowledge that it was the fundamental idea that was flawed and not its execution. It appears that the people in charge of Mass Effect 3's ending have this flawed trait, so all the reasonable discussion, logical arguments, and future loss of sales will not sway them. The retake movement made enough noise to catch the attention of the upper management but it appears the person ultimately responsible for the ending is still in the loop, and appears to be one of those prideful individuals who will defend their idea beyond reasonableness.

The only way to handle such a roadblock to your success is to remove them from the equation, and in the case of the boss I used to work for, it was firing. That is often not something that you will see in a modern company, because of the nature of "diluted responsibility" in modern large bureaucratic companies. I feared that we would see nothing out of EA, and the fact that we are even getting this "free DLC" is quite unprecendented.

Often times, the people below the roadblock know exactly what is hindering their success, and do their best to fight it, but ultimately their hands are tied. One day, we may hear from someone on the inside what the ending that everyone else wanted to work on is. I hope so.

In the meantime, I fear that the only thing we can do is to vote with our wallet, and use our own imaginations to build a proper "head cannon".

In mine, shortly after our final discussion with Anderson, the catalyst goes off and causes enough distortion within the consensus of the "we are a nation" reapers to cause them to become basically disabled where all our galactic fleets can then fight them conventionally. Ultimately the fleets win, at an admittidely huge cost. My Shepard bleeds out beside his friend, secure in the knowledge that his sacrifice was worthwhile.

[Fireclown2020]

Sith Reaper wrote...

Fireclown2020 wrote...

Sith Reaper wrote...

Fireclown2020 wrote...

Sith Reaper wrote...

I really cannot complain about this. It is free. They are taking the time to make an entirely new sequence for the ending (which we know very little about besides that it adds cinematics and epilogues) and releasing it at no cost.

Seeing this thread makes me sad. "We lost?" They are releasing a free ending that gives an epilogue and additional context to what happens in the final sequence - exactly what was missing from the ending - and people are upset because it isn't the indoctrination theory or their specific vision for the ending? They are adding to the ending soley because we asked for it. Not everyone is going to be happy, as always, but the real complaints of the ending are being dealt with. The rest of the complaints are unattainable. 

Thats not an epilogue, thats extended sequences to 'Clarify' THEIR ending.

For fans who want
more closure in Mass Effect 3, the DLC will offer extended scenes that
provide additional context and deeper insight to the conclusion of
Commander Shepard’s journey.
[/list]What is BioWare adding to the ending with the Extended Cut DLC?

BioWare
will expanding on the ending to Mass Effect 3 by creating additional
cinematics and epilogue scenes to the existing ending sequences. The
goal of these new scenes is to provide additional clarity and closure to
Mass Effect 3.[/list]

Umm, what else is an epilogue, exactly? It gives context to what happens after the ending. And, as the blog explains, it adds cinematics to clarify the ending and epilogue scenes to the existing endings.

Oh Boy!

I am sure your not realising what I am meaning.

The Epilogue that people are wanting is not for BioWare to 'Clarify' THEIR ending.  People are wanting BioWare to make an ending Tailored to THEIR game(people who played the game), make THEIR choices matter rather than have BioWare make more sequences that 'Clarify' their own ending.

I see. However, we know too little right now to say that it won't differentiate each person's individual ending. I agree, I would love to see my choices have an impact in the final sequences.

I would love the endings be different for each individual game.  I agree I would like to be sceptical on the matter but they have already said they aren't willing to change their ending and these sequences are just to 'clarify' what they have already made.

So, sadly, if they decide that everything going kAbLeWeY still.  I.E. Joker ends up on a planet and the mass relays are still gone etc all my choices, even with new sequences, still mean nothing.  Why play Me1, ME2 and ME3 again when the ending is still the same?

I hate ranting and I am not annoyed at you or anyone else.  I just feel like there is no point to any of the game anymore, even with their 'Clarification'

Bah HumBug!

HAHA!

I think I am going CrAzY!

[DYarritu]

If you think the end sucks, or maybe you're on the other group that feels the ending is OK, because that's the way BW thought it should be bla bla bla... it doesn't matter, just exclude yourselves from either group:
Is the product of good quality? Overall it is, of course it has some flaws.
Did the product satisfy your needs? Yes, but only to some extent since it's a quality product that failed to deliver what was being promised as the product itself.
Why? Cause you invested "X" number of hours (not to mention $100 on ME3 CE pre-order for example with overnight shipping), and in the end the product does not meet the specifications that you were promised all along.
Is it artistic? It probably is, but that is not the point.
Why? Because we are not judging the quality of BW work, we are judging the final product, one that failed to deliver "multiple endings", a conclusion that actually takes into consideration your many choices made throughout 2.99 games...
It is not like a sports game in which you either a)win, b)tie, c)loose ... that was the greatness of this particular product, through great design, story, characters, decisions, etc, the final outcome was supposed to be quite different for most players. The fact is that it is not like that cause you do have ONLY a, b or c to choose from.
It is not about liking the ending or feeling that the ending is not good. Like most of you here said, the game is good; I believe the ending is good although I don’t personally like any of the versions of it.
It doesn’t explain much, it has loopholes, and as far as I know that is where BW failed by not delivering what they originally promised, they didn’t fail by delivering something some of us don’t like.
So this clarification FREE DLC, might not make it right anyway because it will expand the artistic ending that is probably well designed or developed (not talking about the story shown in the end), but is expanding something that falls outside of what were promised “your decision will matter in the end” and this DLC will not change that… it could give you closure maybe.
Like I read in some posts, maybe they will show Sheppard’s funeral with the squad mates honoring him, maybe they will how Joker became the lamest coward of the galaxy by abandoning his Captain.
Maybe all the squad mates ran away with Joker when they saw Sheppard being hit by Harbinger (and of course they missed the glorious victory of Sheppard over ‘Marauders Shields’).
But even by seeing these images, or reading about this possible scenes, will not change the fact that you paid for one thing and got something else.
Anyway, BW is just doing what any other for-profit company will do: just whatever the hell they want, they don’t give a damn about those who buy their products, because if many of us stop buying BW products because of how ME3 ended, well the future might bring them new customers that might never knew about the ME3 ending fiasco, and will buy lots of BW products…
So make a choice, keep buying BW products and suck-it up (ME3 ending) or just move-on, sell your copy of ME3 at GameStop for like $10 (I don’t think they will pay a lot for a game that they will have a hard time selling as used) and find another game that is worth your time and money…
I do feel like I paid for something that is different from what I was told I was going to get, I’m not saying it was ‘broken’, or with ‘poor quality’ it’s just not what I thought I was buying… and that does suck.

[TheRisenStar]

I said this in another thread, and I'll say it here:

Maybe these people should worry less about artistic integrity and more about plain old integrity.

You know, like not blatantly misleading people or lying about what you're going to put into a game?

Clarity is fine, but it doesn't address the many instances where what was promised doesn't at all match (and in fact contradicts) what was delivered.  By sticking to "artistic integrity," BioWare's effectively saying (as a logical requirement) that they appear to have never had any intention on doing so in terms of design and yet spent so much effort saying exactly the opposite.

As long as they hold up that "artistic integrity" defense saying, "this is what we imagined and intended," they're tacitly admitting they've misled, distorted, and lied when quotes like "No A,B,C," or "Saving Rachni will be a significant thing" or any of the other similar, patently misleading quotes appear.

The "artistic integrity" defense is damning to BioWare's reputation. It's basically saying "This is our vision and all of our obviously contrary statments prior to release (even as little as a week before) are were done with the knowledge of how different the result would be compared to what we promised."

Modifié par TheRisenStar, 05 avril 2012 - 06:27 .

[tanuki]

Well, looks like what we'll get is:

- the cutscene explaining the nonsensical Normandy escape and how the crew and squadmates (including LI) decided to abandon Shepard and got to the Normandy. Not sure I want to see this. It is already bad enough as it is.

- extended dialogue with the starbrat (probably), which still will make no sense. Because it's IMPOSSIBLE to make sense of his crap, no matter how you try.

- the same 3 ****-colored choices and apparently brain-damaged Shepard still obeying little space Hitler.

- epilogue slides explaining how the galaxy was not majorly f*** up; "well it was, but just a little bit less than majorly, see? Here are your explanation about how everyone was stranded in Sol and most of them dying. Yay. Oh, and the relays explosions were totally not the same as in Arrival, because Space Magic."

I really don't want to be pessimistic, but judging by that blog, it's what we'll get more likely.

PS. I'd honestly prefer to PAY 10 or 20$ or even more to get totally NEW decent ending(s) which make sense, provide closure, reflect my choices and not totally f** up the ME universe.

Modifié par Ashley_82, 05 avril 2012 - 06:31 .

[wesr]

I knew they'd blow smoke up our tailpipes again. They just dug their own grave as this is going to drive away the few fans that were holding out hope. I hope bioware enjoys bankruptcy.

[The Divine Avenger]

TheRisenStar wrote...

I said this in another thread, and I'll say it here:

Maybe these people should worry less about artistic integrity and more about plain old integrity.

You know, like not blatantly misleading people or lying about what you're going to put into a game?

Clarity is fine, but it doesn't address the many instances where what was promised doesn't at all match (and in fact contradicts) what was delivered.  By sticking to "artistic integrity," BioWare's effectively saying (as a logical requirement) that they appear to have never had any intention on doing so in terms of design and yet spent so much effort saying exactly the opposite.

As long as they hold up that "artistic integrity" defense saying, "this is what we imagined and intended," they're tacitly admitting they've misled, distorted, and lied when quotes like "No A,B,C," or "Saving Rachni will be a significant thing" or any of the other similar, patently misleading quotes appear.

The "artistic integrity" defense is damning to BioWare's reputation. It's basically saying "This is our vision and all of our obviously contrary statments prior to release (even as little as a week before) are were done with the knowledge of how different the result would be compared to what we promised."

Well said, No A,B,C endings my arse 16 different endings yeah whatever

[The Divine Avenger]

wesr wrote...

I knew they'd blow smoke up our tailpipes again. They just dug their own grave as this is going to drive away the few fans that were holding out hope. I hope bioware enjoys bankruptcy.

It's not just a matter of turning away loyal fan's, when word of mouth spreads from the enraged fanbase of how Bioware now chooses to "Listen" to it's fan's, people will think twice about buying there game's. A lot will more than likely wait untill they come down in price but others will avoid them altogether, I know I will be avoiding them from now on.

Baldurs Gate, KOTOR, Mass Effect 1 & 2 even DA origens (even though I wasn't a big fan of origens) were all really good game's but it's a shame that Bioware have fallen so far that they can no long see what's right in front of them.

This "thanks for your money but f*** you" attitude they've developed is not how I want to remember Bioware, but the longer this go's on the more of thair new way of thinking I see & I don't like it. I just wish the Bioware I remember from the day's of KOTOR were still around because I truely loved them.

Bioware should watch this

www.youtube.com/watch

Modifié par The Divine Avenger, 05 avril 2012 - 07:05 .

[Raamah]

Artistic integrity my ass.
They screwed up and they know it. This attitude only serves to alienate their fans.
I will definitely remember that on their next project...

I'm cool however with an extended ending. Hopefully sth like the Fallout games where the cosequenses of your choices are presented to you.

[khaos0001]

I dont care if its free since its still the same meaningless nonsensical ending..

I actually feel like it would have been better if they took the time and resources (because I assume thats the reason behind this crap) needed to rewrite the ending completely (account for all the choices you made, add a bossfight with Harbinger, etc).

I wouldnt have minded waiting for such an ending till October and paying an addition $10-20.

[hippanda]

Captiosus77 wrote...

As I have often said before:
My faith was shaken with DA2.
My faith was cracked with TOR.
My faith is destroyed with ME3.

Faith only goes so far. I have never, and will never be, a blind faith fan of any company and the latest efforts by BioWare have proven they are a shell of a company they once were, not the company they were before EA got their hands on them.

Trust me, you're not the only one.



(source: )

[Capeo]

Ashley_82 wrote...

Well, looks like what we'll get is:

- the cutscene explaining the nonsensical Normandy escape and how the crew and squadmates (including LI) decided to abandon Shepard and got to the Normandy. Not sure I want to see this. It is already bad enough as it is.

- extended dialogue with the starbrat (probably), which still will make no sense. Because it's IMPOSSIBLE to make sense of his crap, no matter how you try.

- the same 3 ****-colored choices and apparently brain-damaged Shepard still obeying little space Hitler.

- epilogue slides explaining how the galaxy was not majorly f*** up; "well it was, but just a little bit less than majorly, see? Here are your explanation about how everyone was stranded in Sol and most of them dying. Yay. Oh, and the relays explosions were totally not the same as in Arrival, because Space Magic."

I really don't want to be pessimistic, but judging by that blog, it's what we'll get more likely.

PS. I'd honestly prefer to PAY 10 or 20$ or even more to get totally NEW decent ending(s) which make sense, provide closure, reflect my choices and not totally f** up the ME universe.

Too pessimistic?  You're being too optimistic.  "Ending sequences" refers to everything after the choice.  I don't think we'll be seeing any dialog at all.